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I really hope nyk doesn’t put a half assed effort into signing bosh just because reports say he’s supposedly going to sign with miami. they need to push for lbj, bosh, jj, and wade (even tho i know hes not leaving miami) as if they’re they only FA out there

Is it possible that we will know where everybody ends up before July 1st?

I can’t remember so much NBA speculation during the weekend, let alone on a sunday. Bosh and Wade in MIA. JJ in NY, maybe Amar’e, hopefully LBJ.

I’m not a fan of JJ, especially in the playoffs. But if we get LBJ, who cares. All I know is, Bosh and JJ possibly gone are two less targets for CHI if LBJ is seriously considering going there. If Amar’e goes to NJ, will Bron want to team up with Boozer again in CHI? For our sake, let’s hope not.

The Knicks will not commence the free agency thing by signing Joe Johnson to a max contract.

If Lebron comes to NYC it will not be because they have overpaid for Joe Johnson. Lebron can attract whomever he wants, more or less. If he truly wants JJ then he can call JJ and tell him that he, Lebron, intends to sign with the Knicks. JJ can then agree to sign a reasonable deal with the Knicks who can in turn work out a sign and trade with the Hawks.

I posted this exact theory about 15 minutes ago in another thread.

It makes sense in that the.Knicks go to LBJ with JJ wrapped up and Bosh goes to Miami making the Bulls less appealing.

Knicks now look more appealing than before.

Just wake me on July 1st, better yet July 8th. I can’t take this anymore…

Not realistic. Pushing for all these guys would mean offering them each max contracts. They have to offer the contracts in order (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc) otherwise the wrong guy will take the bait. Yikes.

It’d be great if Johnson was a lure for LeBron, but it’s hard to believe LeBron would come to a team with absolutely no big men.

Someone mentioned Heat could sign and trade Beasley and picks for Bosh. Would that free up enough cap space for them sign LeBron as well?

these reporters just trying to earn a check thats how i take everything they do
never literal

How does Broussard have more insight into the Knicks than you Tommy and Alan Hahn? That does not make any sense since Broussard can’t posibly have a friend in the Knicks organization.

Second, I’d say that Amare should have priority over Joe Johnson, especially if Bosh commits to Miami. If Amare commits to the Knicks and Bosh to Miami, then Lebron will have to pick between Rose, Noah and an unproven coach vs. Amare, Gallo and D’Antoni. I’d say Amare, Gallo and D’Antoni are a better fit for Lebron. If he doesn’t sign, then Knicks can sign Joe Johnson.

Broussard’s reporting that the knicks will make a max contract offer to JJ on july 1st…LOL

our lineup is gonna have jj amare lbj and gallo next year its gonna be some weird fked up version of the old suns+lbj and 7SOL is gonna rip through the universe and they’ll make statues of d’antoni and walsh shitting on a bull, a net, and a flaming basketball outside msg

A sign and trade of Joe Johnson that includes Curry + Chandler (or maybe Gallo) will allow the Knicks to sign JJ, Lebron and David Lee. That’s not too bad, is it?

Why do that when we can sign JJ, Lebron, and possibly do a sign and trade for someone like a monta?

where does ellis play in that scenario? I’d want to go after a big.

Being realistic….
Our lineup is gonna be…

PG-TD
SG-JJ
SF-Gallo
PF-Chandler
C-Amare

Bench
EC
Jerome Jordan
Rautins
Fields
Walker
Earl Barron
Some random guy

I’m trying to keep hope as a knicks fan, but is broussard is right (idk if he is nor does anyone), I lose hope as a knicks fan.

Bigs aren’t as much of a key to this system as shooters/scorers though. I’d rather have a stud of a point than a stud of a big for this system…granted, monta being a stud is arguable. Basically my point is that we’ll get further with monta at point and say chandler at the 4 and earl barron at the 5 then TD at the point with chandler at the 4, lee at the 5.

The feeling way before the Finals ended was that Bosh was going to Miami. If we can get Joe Johnson and pay him whatever it takes to get him only if Lebron says he would sign with us if we do this then its a great plan. And how quickly things can change. All you were hearing from the Jerry Reinsdorf paid espn announcers was that Lebron to the Bulls was done. They didn’t even mention the Knicks in any conversation and if they did it was all negative. Now this can change by tommorrow and swing another way. Its gonna be a see saw until one the fa sign. Not july 1st. All we can do is hope but I always like Joe Johnson with Lebron if he came.

Chandler isn’t a PF and broussard probably is one of the worst analysts on ESPN. He was the one who said Stoudemire to Cleveland was a done deal. He was the one who said the Knicks had no talent on their roster. Even Bosh says the Knicks have a talented young core.

The big man doesn’t have to be Hakeem, but good lord theyre gonna need someone. Dwight Howard would put up 40 and 20 a game against that crap lineup you suggested in a playoff game, and it’d be an early exit.

No. Any team in the east with earl barron at center will be embarrassed by the Magic in a playoff serious. I like Ellis, but if in this hypothetical joe johnson and lebron are on the team, a big man is desperately needed.

All these reports are getting thrown out there in hopes that someone is right.

It’s all right until it’s wrong.

We have as good a chance as some of these hacks in calling where everyone is going.

Im so tired of all the speculation. It kills me cuz im a die hard fan of this team and I just want those old winning ways to come back. I miss the rivalries and exciting last second shots. I miss the team that represented the toughness of New York. I this dude comes here than the Knicks will be something to talk about again. But if Joe Johnson is our prized acquisition then I want Donnie replaced, a new coach and can someone get us a GM already?

that will be turrrribul

There was a report a week ago that LBJ was going to bring Shazam to the Knicks with him. I’m just saying.

How about Brad Miller?

So the NYT reported this morning, that according to a gm, Lebron + Bosh to Chicago is a “done deal”. Now bunch of people(including Charlie V) saying Bosh to Miami is a “done deal”

I don’t take any of these rumors seriously. But they are amusing.

I realize that but basically my point was that I would take monta over d-lee in our system. Now if it was say bosh or monta, obviously a different thing, but D12 could drop 40 and 20 on D-Lee anyways.

Now there’s news that Dallas will make runs at all the max free agents. I guess they can trade Dampier, who has a non-guaranteed contract, and can then be cut. If they then throw in Beaubois and a draft pick that might be attractive enough. That would match up salary wise.

I believe charlie v more than chris brousard , if bosh goes to miami with Dwane Wade , thats going to make it difficult for lebron to take his chances in Chicago… cuz no way i see lebron heading down to MIA to be 2nd fiddle to Dwade .. also the big question for all FA is how many years will they sign for , besides if chicago going for JJ would give them the best Backcourt in the league , i think its going to be a NY team or Dallas in my opinion for LBJ , or if we take JJ for 10-12 , K – probably sign A.I. for the point , or decide to make that NO deal fall into place with CP3 and Joe Johnson would give us the most dangerous back-court

We will sign Johnson and Amare. Then in 3 years sign Nash ( I believe he signed a 2 year extention). Then we will be the New York Suns

ROFLMFAO

maxing joeJ an amare=turrrrribul

If you want to be even more confused this is from the Miami Herald

” CHICAGO — Before jetting away Sunday night for a vacation to set his professional agenda, Heat guard Dwyane Wade cleared the air on his free agency itinerary.

Wade denied reports that he has agreed to visit the New York Knicks on a recruiting tour, but would not rule out meeting with other teams to gauge their interest in his services.

“I haven’t set anything in stone,” Wade said in an exclusive interview with The Miami Herald before he departed O’Hare International Airport for an undisclosed getaway. “It’s funny when you hear these things come out, especially when they come out about you.”

Wade was addressing reports out of New York that cited league sources saying Wade and Toronto’s Chris Bosh already have scheduled visits to hear the Knicks’ elaborate recruiting pitch.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/27/1704003/miami-heats-dwyane-wade-refutes.html#ixzz0s70RlkHw

Now ESPN is reporting the first NBA free agent signing on commercials between the inning breaks of the Yankee game.

Bottom line : We have enough flexibility to build a 50-win team very quickly. And we have more leverage than the Chicago Bulls because we’ll have 7 days to negociate with Joe Johnson (and the Atlanta Hawks) and Amare Stoudemire (and the Phoenix Suns). If the Atlanta Hawks are willing to sign-and-trade Joe Johnson for Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler the Knicks will have enough capspace to sign LeBron James + Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire. If Donnie Walsh can’t trade away Eddy Curry’s contract then we’ll probably “settle” for Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire – and then trade Eddy Curry before the trade deadline in 2011.

Toney Douglas $1.071
Danilo Gallinari $3.304
LeBron James MAX $16.569 ($15.780 x 105%)
Amare Stoudemire MAX $17.197 ($16.378 x 105%)
+ 8 minimum contracts (about $4 million)

Joe Johnson would have to sign for $14 million ($56 million salary cap)… Is it enough?

Chris Bosh is the top priority though (obviously)

Yeah I heard that… I thought the “big” free agents can’t sign with other teams yet. That means that it would have to be a resigning. Its probably something like Ray Allen resigns with the Celtics.

Joe had a bad series shooting….so what so did Paul Pierce and Lebron James ( for the most part)…He is an above average player 20-5-5..i dont get what everyone is crying about…i would love to have a talented 6-8 SG in our team

NO CHANCE the Hawks would take back Curry for Chandler. Gallo would probably have to be included in the deal as well. Maybe the Knicks could offer Douglas, Walker, and Chandler instead, but I doubt thats enough. If the Knicks did include Gallo, they would be able to offer Johnson a max deal.

I really was never ever impressed with Chris Bosh…I mean i hear all this in the club not risking working out due to contracts and shit….what exactly did he accomplish in a team aspect a couple 40winning seasons…give me someone working out to improve their game to take it even to the next level not someone who wants money and satisfied with their game…real max players are not built that way

Lebron and Joe Johnson does not work for NY because we won’t have either a C or PF to team with them . So you can forget about that.

However, a Lebron/JJ tandem works great for the Bulls because they have a C and PG and will be bringing in a SG and F. Plus the Bulls need an outside shooter like JJ. JJ will probably be able to fit in under the Bulls cap because he played himself out of a max contract anyway.

So Bosh goes to Miami, Lebron and JJ go to the Bulls, and the Knicks overpay for scraps and try to sell the fans on a monumental failure and few draft picks going forward.

There is nothing wrong with JJ except that he’s nowhere near a max player and you can’t build a championship team by overpaying for players.

A Lebron/JJ tandem absolutely does work. The Knicks could S&T Curry, Chandler, and Gallo for Johnson. That would give the Knicks enough room to sign Amare or Lee (with an extra 5 mil left over). If we have LeBron, JJ, and Amare/Lee, it doesn’t matter who we have at C. We could sign someone like Mahinimi or Shaq, or we could just start Baron/Jordan. Also, Douglas could DEFINITELY start at PG if the Knicks had LeBron or JJ. LeBron would probably be controlling the ball most of the time anyway. As long as Douglas can shoot and play good defense he is fine.

well it’s the knick so anything they do will be TURRRIIBUL.

JOEj is ok same with amare none of them u can really on to win a series
crawford was the best guard atl had last season

amare is just a scrub thats what he is dude got 2 3 rebs in a few games in the playoffs well playing 38-42 minutes an u wonna give him max.

yea i know the knicks have suck for so long that any1 the knicks sign will make yall happy the franchise has built a loser fan base also when u got fans going krazy over amare an joeJ………………….

Idg why people are mentioning an S & T for JJ…the dude’s just going to bounce out of the ATL. Also, what’s with people saying that team’s aren’t going to do sign and trades unless they get great packages? The fact is either they do the S & T or lose the player for nothing; granted, they need to determine if it’s worth it to them, but they can’t demand certain players from the other team. It doesn’t work that way. Although, I wouldn’t want curry adn chandler. I’d rather have the cap space. Btw, if it came down to us getting amare and JJ or less talented players, i’d take four to five less talented players. I’d rather have a team of people like say rudy gay, carlos boozer, ray allen, raymond felton, and shannon brown any day of the week. For all of those saying we can’t afford all of those guys, I’m pretty sure we can get close.

JJ isn’t getting much love, but he was third team All-NBA and started for the East in the All-Star game. That’s pretty impressive. You won’t get him for cheap, as Donnie Walsh likes to try.

I would take chandler, gallo, and curry’s expiring over JJ any day

Idg why replies aren’t working in this thread, but it’s annoying.

hmm this is probably the best thing ive read this entire month considering you dont always have to trade dollar for dollar

+1 , most intresting thing i read all month considering in past there been lots of trades that were exactly dollar for dollar

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67498/20100627/agent_bosh_hasnt_decided_anything/

The Knicks have to, have to sign a power forward to a big contract. It’s almost certain. You have Amare, Boozer, Lee, and Bosh with the Knicks, Nets, Heat, and Bulls all needing one. Unless OKC or someone unseen jumps in, it looks pretty straight forward.

If DW & MD are seing JJ before meeting with LBJ, then they are trying to get same comitment from JJ before they see LBJ. It’s the only reason I can see why they would do this. (if rumor is true).

But I just don’t see how JJ and LBJ can work. we won’t have any bigs and no way to get one unless we can trade EC somehow. (a big if)

none of that makes any sense!

Getting Amare doen’t make much sense either when we can have Lee for less. how much better is Amare? Actually, Lee is the better rbounder and is improving his offense every year. and both are poor defenders.

Trade Exceptions might be wise to acquire for the teams losing free agents with a sign and trade. Here’s the blurb from Wiki.

Traded Player Exception: If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (we’ll call this initial deal “Trade #1″), they receive what is called a Traded Player Exception, also known colloquially as a “Trade Exception”. Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks straight-up for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.

The big issue about this FA class is if all the teams they leave are expecting a Sign and Trade deal then that leaves some of these teams especially a team like Bulls may be sort of screwed … cuz that depletes there bench or risk some starter they maybe looking to sell in the pitch , but if NY tries for the S & T with at least 1 FA its a good thing cuz we can Slide E.C / W.C. package (dont have to trade dollar for dollar) and still have the money to grab , another 2 more FA’s if we bargain the contracts to squeeze it all in , Were talking about 3 FA’s , or you can say 2 FA’s + D.LEE .

@barnaby8787
ive been saying stuff like that

knicks can have a new talented line-up
if they don’t get lebron or wade

spend that money wise but the knicks won’t do that

Center nowadays suck….there is Bynum, Howard, Shaq, and Bogut….All you need at the center is size, athleticism, and rebounding/hustle ability….thats the most you can ask for and it is possible to work Joe Johnson and Lebron James combo….I totally disagree that it can’t work in fact …this bulls things with both lebron and joe to the bulls will be a disaster.. theres is noway that can work….where is the perimeter offense that stretched the floor? The floor space would dramatically dwindle with Joe, Rose, and Lebron…it can work with two not 3…drivers…

Another rumor that’s out there is that when the Knicks meet with Joe Johnson who is first on the list of people they are planning to meet that Joe Johnson will be greeted with a max contract by Donnie via espn is where this is reported. I wonder if there is something to this offer that is coming too fast if its true or donnie is just desperate. You be the judge.

I’m not to found of Amare his game really relies on Nash to create easy shots for him. Joe John is a really good player and I think the Knicks know that. I do not think he is a max player either…people assume a lot of shit just to get mad and sound like they know it all…Anyway I believe he will sign a contract taking less money and balancing it out with the NY market deals he gets…This will allow us to build an all round team not some stupid nba 2k line up of lebron, rose, joe johnson, noah and somehow amare Lol…really come on first problem the spacing in this team is horrible and i promise they wont win anything…build a team and focus on individual needs. People lack the vision to see the possibility of building a great team…they also seem to forget you can win with one star and 4 really good players and effective role player…not 3-4 super stars and no other quality players…

wth? i know we should try our best to keep gallo and maybe will..but im getting tired of his injuries and lack of coming into the season with something knew…but come one stop being dumb really.

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