Knicks Trying to Deal Curry?

How can we possibly move Curry for no cap space at all?

just send him and Wilson to ATL for JJ in a sign and trade.. start JJ off at 14 with 10.5% raises for 6 years and he gets 110 mil..

a little less than his max of 120 but still a generation changing payday for a 29 year old

then you still have the cap space to make the move for Bosh/Lebron at max

Seems hihgly unlikely to me, but let me quickly dream about

PG Douglas
SG JJ
SF Gallo
PF LeBron
C Bosh

Someone made a good point yesterday, as the Knicks are under the cap teams dont need to take back dollar for dollar so why would Hawks take Curry and Chandler when they could just take Chandler?

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curry chandler to gs, monta to atl, jj to ny

I lie this trade, seems to make sense for all three teams.

That’s…not a bad idea! Should be crazy over the next 24 – 72 hours.

so why would Hawks take Curry and Chandler when they could just take Chandler?

If the Hawks sign JJ they are over the cap.. if they let him walk for nothing they are right at the 56 mil cap number (maybe 3 mil under)

Talking Curry’s expiring contract gives them an asset to possibly use in another deal down the line. Taking Curry would not put them in Luxury tax territory.

yea someone else posted it yesterday and i thought i made sense but no one replied, if i was atl i’d be happier getting monta back than curry

C’mon Ernie Grunfeld, you’ve got room for one more oversized contract. He’ll be a good mentor for Wall, trust me.

big,

do you think atlanta would take that deal or would they rather let jj go for nothing than take on curry? if you think this is possilbe i am extremley confident knicks r getting Lebron.

big,

do you think they will insist on Gallo, knowing donnie is desperate? I would not trade Gallo under any circumstance.

so is this the pitch?, besides the glitz and opportunity New York presents to globalize the LeBron label; along with becoming the “King” of the greatest city on the planet…..
it looks like it’s LeBron, Joe Johnson and either Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh [or David Lee] donning the ‘blue and orange’ along with Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker. The Knicks front office is pitching a lower base salary and bonus incentives that would pay $15.7 million annually to the big men; then next year Eddie Curry’s salary comes off the books to improve the roster even more???
…..besides pitching the option of the players to invest their own money into Cablevision/Madison Square Garden, which trades around $19 a share, [when the Garden and the Knicks are thriving in the past, shares have sky-rocketed] back in ’94 shares traded at $50+ a share and $90+ a share in ’99; the 2 years the Knicks reached the finals……. very interesting money pitches to LeBron and the free agents???
or LeBron, Carmelo, Amare/Bosh [with Lee & maybe a Chandler type to Denver]???

In my opinion, trading Eddy Curry will be extremely difficult regardless of his expiring deal for next year. He’s been in the league for a long time now and every GM and executive knows he’s got no work ethic, always out of shape or injured and he still has a potential heart condition (literally and figuratively).

That being said, it’s still fun trying to see where we can unload that waste of space, how about this one:

Eddy Curry (NYK) for TJ Ford (Pacers) straight up. The salary works, the Knicks get a guard. The Pacers have been trying hard to get rid of TJ Ford and his contract. A change of scenery for both players might help them out.

there are rumors swirling about giving $11 million dollar base contracts to 3 names, LeBron, JJ and either Bosh, amare or Lee with incentives to raise annual salary to $15.7. so, curry can come off next year and the front office can improve team even more. or a sign and trade with Denver for Carmelo for Lee & possibly Chandler.
god! imagine… LeBron, Carmelo and either Bosh or Amare with Gallo.
I’m dreaming now1

@dino2008 —

Well ATL has two options.. Let JJ walk for nothing and he signs for 5 years @8% raises or they do the S&T and JJ gets 6 years at 10.5% raises..

if they let him walk for nothing they lose the cap space so i dont know why they would not take Chandler (seeing how they got rid of Marvin Williams)

“taking on Curry” is an asset.. not a liabilitiy.. Remember that he is an expiring deal.. Who can be used to bring something else back..

the power is with the UFA to determine his landing spot.. the “old team” gets to do the S&T to save the salary slot and get SOMETHING back

suspense is killllling me…lol, haven’t been able to sleep allll week…..next couple days should be INSANE!!!!

knicks need to try and trade curry and chandler to atlanta for JJ, than sign and trade Lee for Amare, and then sit down w/ Lebron tomorrow and tell him, NOW who has the best supporting cast???

JJ/AMARE, Lopez/Harris, Noah/Rose, Wade/Beasley???

you all are thinking of the Eddy Curry with the 5 year deal.. This a different animal..

he is nothing more than an expiring contract .. IF anyone gets anything at all out of him on the court it is a bonus.

everything you said makes sense Big, but you and I both know Curry won’t be going to ATL. If we’re lucky enough to get rid of him it will be at the trade deadline

Just buy Curry out. I understand he wants every penny, but so be it. Let it be done and over with, and get him off the books.

Also get the city to rename 8th Ave, King James Ct. Just in front of the Garden of course!

The thing that a lot of you aren’t getting is that THE PLAYER decides where he goes in a S&T. The team has absolutely no say. The Knicks can say we are offering Curry, Chandler, and Douglas, or we will just sign him in free agency. The Hawks can’t go out and try and trade him to another team, unless JJ wants to go to that team. They would either have to accept that deal, or lose him for absolutely nothing.

^ Dylan you got that right./

NO WAY Donnie should Buy out Curry at this point.. We’ve held onto this slug for this long.. NOW he is worth something.. and will be worth more as the deadline nears..

Us him as a chip to bring in someone.. DONT buy him out — he would not accept a buy out anyway./

@Brad — Dont think of Curry as the player.. he doesnt have to get on the court to be valuable.

I like Chandler and Douglas, but no one around the league views them as great assets

@ biggie

thanks for the post!

what i cant understand is if it is soooo easy for walsh to move curry in a sign and trade for a max free agent by simply including will the thrill, WHY did walsh surrender Jordan Hill, the right to swap picks next year, and our 2012 pick to houston when he could have simply did the same thing with jeffries as he can do with curry…. plus it would be much easier to do with jeffries since he makes near half as much as curry.

if walsh sign and trades curry and will for joe johnson why couldnthe sign and trade jeffries jordan hill for bosh…. we would still have our 2012 pick

@ Brad
Who wouldn’t want a young athletic small forward who averaged 15 pts 5 rbs in a limited role?

they don’t really need to move curry, it helps, but not needed, save his salary for next years free agent pool at worst case senario. i like Chandler and douglas too; put them in role plater spots and they’ll thrive even more without the pressures of being a “go to” guy, superstars make these type of players better.

If Curry SOMEHOW can be moved… it would have to be a team thats looking to shed salary, which i still say New Orleans is the prime candidate.

@dino2008

Jeffries wasn’t an expiring contract. An expiring contract is MUCH more valuable. Jeffries would be easy to trade this year for teams that want to clear cap next year. Curry and Chandler were almost impossible to trade last season, because the salary would be on the book for 2 years instead of one.

also to a team try to get under the cap for 2011 and looking to possibly sign melo or CP3. curry is valuable to a point; more valueable as the season goes on.

thats my point. why couldt walsh just wait until now to use jeffries in a sign and trade with jordan hill for bosh and we would still have our 2012 pick. if walsh can do curry chandler for joe johnson, they it should be even simplier to trade jordan hill jeffries for bosh (atleast jeffries is a decent role player)

Giving a 6 year contract to a 29 year old guy strikes me as a bad deal unless the 29 year old was Lebron.

If they buyout Curry, they have a better opportunity to sign 3 players. Curry would take a buyout, but it has to be the total value.

just because you buy a player out for $10M for example…$10M doesn’t come off the cap

@dino2008,

Thats a very fair point. I think that basically, he did it so that the Knicks would be able to sign two max free agents without making anymore trades. Would he have been able to get rid of the contract without giving up so much in return if he chose to wait, probably. The thing is, in the offseason, a team without cap space can’t increase their team salary. So the Knicks would have only been able to trade Jeffries:

A) to a team with cap space
B) in exchange for a player with a higher salary

If LeBron and Bosh had both chose to become unrestricted free agents though, the Knicks wouldn’t have been able to sign them because they wouldn’t have enough cap room, and in order to get rid of Curry and/or Jeffries, they would have needed to take players with higher salaries back, OR they would have needed to trade them to a team with cap space. The thing is, not many teams with cap space would be willing to take Curry or Jeffries back. I hope I make a little bit of sense lol.

thanks dylan. you do make sense!

i just think if it really is this easy to trade curry in a sign and trade… it would have behooved the knicks to play Jordan Hill for the second half of the season and alleast see what the kid gave you…. hopefully increasing his trade value or becoming a part of this team’s future. then you could have used him in a sign and trade…. he would have been another ASSET along with the 2012 pick….. two things that donnie can really use right now.

i really hope you and big are right and walsh can trade will and curry for jj. maybe this is why allan houston failed to mention will when he was talking abotu the teams core…. only said toney and GALLO!

You guys are killing me with your Eddy Curry fantasies.

Would Atlanta rather get Eddy Curry or nothing? Let’s see do I want to pay a bankrupt, a recently in the news for having sex with a minor, only played 73 minutes in two years, total waste of human and player $11 million or just keep the money?

Let’s put it this way. Would you sign and trade David Lee to another team for Eddy Curry or say another useless player rather than let him walk away for nothing? I tried to find another player to substitute in the S&T but couldn’t find anyone even close to Eddy’s complete lack of production and personal turmoil.

I’d take nothing every time.

jeff, i agree with you. i think teams would take eddy curry if we gave Gallo though, which i pray to God walsh does not do.

@dino2008

I definitely agree with you. I think the Knicks should have tried to hang onto Jordan Hill. In my opinion we gave up a little too much in the Jeffries trade, even though I understand why Walsh did it. The Knicks really decreased Hill’s value by never playing him. If he had had a chance to prove himself, he could have gotten us more value. Again, that is only assuming that he can actually play. For all we know, he just sucks and the Knicks decided to to get rid of him before he lost ALL of his value. The Knicks really have a lot riding on this summer. Lets hope it all works out!

Let’s put this another way. Taking Eddy Curry in a S&T for Joe Johnson is like going to the hospital and paying for unneeded tonsil removal surgery so you can get free ice cream after it was over.

We could have offered Toronto; Hill, Jeffries, and the 2 first round picks in a S&T for Bosh. That way if we don’t get Bosh, we keep Hill and the picks.

Hill can ball. In 16 minutes per game in Houston, he scored 6.4 points and grabbed 5 boards. If he started, you could expect a double-double average.

jeff– no its not like that..

Taking Curry is an asset that can be turned into soemthign else..

Curry’s contract gets more valuable as it gets closer to expiring.. That is how it is with EVERYONE int e league on expiring deals..

Tree Rollins was traded because he was expiring..

Teams WANT expiring deals because it gives them flexibility.. Curry is NOW just an expiring.. Jeffries was not one last year.. he is this year which makes him infinitely more movable for Houston..

the only thing is you take the chance that if toronto does not want that deal then you cant get bosh. what if hill stunk it up…. then the knicks might be screwed. i was thinking about this. whats done is done…. its time to look forward.

lets stop rehashing the past.. What’s done is done.. we are on the verge of a new era…

Maybe the Hil deal was wrong.. it gave us a free look at McGrady.. it cleared cap space.. we gave up a lot but what’s done is done..

look forward.

ha ha .. Dino.. nice one.. same wave length.

@biggiesmalls

Well, if expirings are so valuable, what did we get for Marbury and his $21 million a few years back,

Tree Rollins actually played basketball. He is a top 10 shot blocker all time. Eddy Curry has blocked 382 shots in his career. Tree blocked 343 in a single year. You can’t compare the two.

And I don’t think Tree was ever traded as an expiring. Just sayin…..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rollitr01.html

buying out Curry does not take his salary off the cap space.

Finally somebody needed to say ENOUGH of why didn’t NY did this or that! What bunch of whiners! You guys ought to be a shame sounding like a bunch of *itches! Wow and you call yourselves MEN.

@Jeff — the way marbury was handled is one of my griped with the coach and GM.

Remember that Donnie didnt want any salary past 2010 so he was limited in what he COULD take back for Marbury’s monster expiring.. but it WAS a wasted asset.

When Tree Rollins was expiring he wasnt playing much and had a8 digit plus deal in place.

There are plenty of other examples of expiring contracts being valuable even though the player was useless or even not on the court.

@KK .. what does come off the cap in a buy out is the discount that Curry would )theoretically) take to get all the $$ up front and get the oppty to play somewhere else for min salary..

Liek is aid before.. ZERO chance of Curry accepting less to get out of NY.. He needs the $$

I have to agree whats done is done so lets press and see what the futire brings us. Hopefully a RING SOON!!!

I wonder who is going to be paired with Lebron,I would like to have Lee or Boozer over Bosh or Stout,I like their passing ability much better and they both rebound great too while scoring at a decent clip,Stout injury past scares me,we all think Lebron likes Bosh but I wonder how much he likes Lee,with a lineup of Lee,JJ,Lebron and Gallo we have all good passing team.I’m not a big fan of Bosh,I hope somehow Lee gets some credit for his skills and can be on Lebron radar,Bosh wants a six year deal which sounds very greedy to me,by picking up JJ and Lee at a reasonable rate and get Lebron we can still make a trade for a big who defends the paint .

Can’t just buy Eddy out. He’s more valuable as an expiring contract. If we buy him out, his money still counts against the cap (less the difference in the buyout). Nope, we’re gonna ride that horse till the end…

no way the knicks trading curry an recieving less money in return
the knicks ahev a better chance at trading curry an gettin a good player with a longterm contract

I really love Danilo´s game… but what about this trade? (Wilson looks not too enough)

Curry+Danilo for Monta+filler
then trade Wilson for defensive minded center

PG Ellis / Douglas
SG JJ / Walker/
SF LeBron / ?
PF Bosh / ?
C ? / Jerome Jordan

plus some veterans (1mill)

not deep, but amazing starting lineup…