Source: Don’t Expect Lee Sign and Trade

This article makes sense. Lee definitely does not have to do us any favors. But, if the he could get more money in a sign and trade, or if he could get equal money but a better situation (like going to a playoff team), he’d be crazy to turn down a sign and trade just to spite the Knicks. If he decides that he really just wants to stay in the NY area, then I think he goes to the Nets, and we’re out of luck. Hard to imagine other teams with cap space giving him the kind of deal he wants.

Re: Minnesota, although we don’t need Al Jefferson at this point, I could see a multi-team sign and trade built around Jefferson and Lee, with the Knicks getting the remaining pieces.

Let’s see what Donnie can do.

I want no part of Monta Ellis. For the love of God. He scares the bejeezus out of me. His PER looks like a roller coaster ride, so you might get a borderline All Star and you might get a barely league average guy after signing him. His Usage in GS is off the charts, so he dominates the ball. He can’t shoot the 3…a career .309 shooter from downtown.

If we’re not getting Wade or LeBron, let’s at least get players with high basketball IQs, who can make the most of each possession and mesh as a team.

Mike Miller isn’t really ever going to be more than a 3rd option, but he’s cheaper than Joe Johnson (and probably nearly as good) and he plays team ball. His Usage should actually be higher over the last couple of years because he puts up a .600 TS%, which is PF (or Steve Nash) territory. I secretly believe that he could be a perfect fit in the D’Antoni system. Put Gallinari in there with him and shoot for your big time player through a trade or via future free agency.

Say no to Monta Ellis.

I should also say that Miller shoots over 40% from three for his career.

Not sure Lee would go to Golden State. Maybe a sign and trade with the Spurs for Parker and next year 1st round draft pick?

Get over it Lee. Nobody wanted you last year and you still don’t play a lick of defense.

This isn’t good. From Real GM:

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel pointed out that Wade isn’t interested in playing with Amar’e Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer, he wants LeBron James or Chris Bosh in Miami along with him.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67813/20100704/wade_still_asking_miami_to_get_him_help/#ixzz0sieQE2TT

This video was found in Mike D’s bedroom closet in a hope chest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKk092NupI

Wade’s not interested in NY. He’s pushing Miami to get serious. He and Bosh are ready to sign with Miami today, but are trying to push LeBron to make up his mind before locking in salary slots with the Heat.

Interesting. Didn’t we give Lee more money than we had to last year?

If David Lee ends up being pursued a team without cap room or two desperate teams having struck out at free agency, he could get a six year deal and 10.5% raises via the S&T. So to discount that possibility is unrealistic.

If possible, the Knicks should retain David Lee’s rights. We can exceed the cap to sign him and then possibly trade him to get even more above the cap in a sign and trade.

Thinking it through, if LeBron goes to Chicago, I think Chicago finds a way to get Wade, even if it takes trading Rose or Noah.

If LeBron stay in Cleveland, he probably stays in Miami if they can get Bosh. If Bosh goes to Houston, then Wade probably goes to Chicago because of his family ties there.

I think there’s only an outside shot he comes to NY, but let’s see.

How bout D LEe for Rubio and Corey Brewer?

NYT-

While Knicks officials spent most of the week wooing the top stars, they have not given up on Lee, who made his first All-Star team this year. In fact, if the Knicks are shut out by James and Wade, one alternative would be signing Stoudemire, Lee and Miller to form a new frontcourt.

Two power forwards?????

I think that’s very sound thinking feramorz. I think there’s zero chance he comes to NY. I thought the chances of LeBron to NY were almost zero after Chicago, NJ, and Miami started making cap clearing power moves, since we had little more than Gallinari and a shot at a 2nd max. Now that we (probably) have the 2nd max I think we have a puncher’s chance if everything breaks right.

I’m content to build piece by piece though and add to Amare as we go. The press and the fickle fan base will go ape shit though and start ripping everyone in sight if Amare is the biggest thing to happen this offseason.

I won’t. Sometimes the best things in life take more than a hot minute to do.

If we strikeout on Lebron, Wade, and cant get Melo; I would be happy to get Monta Ellis if we can some how trade curry in that deal. Curry and Chandler for Ellis and some other scrub on their team to make the salaries match- sure GS doesnt want to take on more salary. Ellis ave. 25pt with 5 assists- He can be our PG for the next 3-4 years- cost 11 mil/yr. He supposedly is having trouble facing the facts that GS see Steph Curry as the face of the franchise, not him! GS loses Ellis’ headache/issues plus his contract and get back chandler- solid player and curry’s expiring!

Yeah, my father was telling me about that! Wont make me happy! Cant commit all that money to the same position- especially when neither play defense!

The Eddy Curry fantasy strikes again!

the problem is that now we get the headache of monta ellis. i like him but i don’t see him as a true facilitator in the 7sol offense which would be his greatest need here since his defense is a just a shade below meh.

What was GS offense like the past couple of year? Oh yeah- it was like 7 sec or less, constantly running up and down the court- fast break style offense, just like MD likes it! Did it with GS, but cant do it with the Knicks! Once again, be averaged 25 pts with 5 assists this season and he didnt have any big man to help him- he and curry were the 2 best players on the court- Andris Beidrens was his Center- no comparison to Amare!
The Fantasy here is being able to include Eddy Curry in a deal for Ellis. Maybe the more realistic option is just swapping Ellis for Chandler- Would still be all for this! Love chandler, but he aint Ellis who can be our PG/SG depending on our lineup!
PG- Ellis, SG- Walker, SF- Mike Miller?, PF- Gallo, C- Amare

PG- Ellis, SG- Walker, SF- Gallo, PF- Amare, C- Barron/ Jordan

+1

Next year we’ll be “adversaries”? What happened to his appreciation last year over the fact that the Knicks paid him more more money than they had to? What a clown.

HAS and Biggie were dead on accurate about this guy. Spoiled rich kid from St. Louis. Good riddance to you _avi_, and all the perpetual losing that you bring.

Seems like a really bad idea…

Curry Actually Fits In This One Though GS Gets Cap Relief.

We obviously didn’t want David Lee long term. Why should he do any favors for us at his own expense?…geez

He’s not going to spite us, we just have to benefit him in the sign and trade along with ourselves…that’s how things work in the real world…no big deal…it’s just business.

If Wade gets Bosh to go to Miami with him, as I’ve predicted all along, then if James wants to team with a super-hero buddy, what is his choice? I doubt that James wants to go back to Cleveland if the team remains status quo and I doubt that he wants to go to Chicago alone with little hope of a another big name FA signing in the immediate future.

Another thought, what if Bosh says, “I want to go to NY.” Do the Knicks sign a second FA big and deal for a quality PG? Do they tell Amar’e, “Sorry, no more amore,” or do they tell Bosh, “No more room at the inn?”

If David Lee wants to hold a grudge, then that’s his perogative, but I believe that taking the “adversarial” stance is a bit immature. I mean, let’s be honest here, it’s not like teams were beating at his dorr last year when he was a free agent. Let’s not forget that he receieved no offers anywhere near the 10M that he wanted, and thusly was forced to come crawling back to the NYKs. Furthermore, it it weren’t for M’DA’s 7SOL, Lee would NOT be an allstar. M’DA really coached him up and therefore David’s shooting percentage vastly improvced this last season. Now, in all honestly, does David Lee deserve a max contract, after 1 improved season and making it onto the all star team as an alternate? Not a chance. Max contracts, IMO are for players who routinely demonstrate GAME CHANGING ability. David Lee is NOT a max player. His stats are inflated because fo 7SOL and M’DA did a great job in helping him improve. Now he’s whining like a B%tch that NY didn;t take care of him? He should thank his lucky stars for what M’DA and the Knicks have done for him, and that’s put him in a postition to take advantage of this rediculous free-for-all free agency.

Because M’DA set him up perfectly to take advantage of the current free agency circus, that’s why. The dude barely made the all start team. Besides, he’s clearly all about the Money. Why else would he be talking to Minny? If he were about winning, there’s no way he woudl be talking to Minny. They are worse than we are.

Let Lee walk. He’s a great role player to a guy like LBJ or Amare, but he certainly is NOT a max guy. If Gay is getting a Max, then Lee should go get his Max somewhere else.

I don’t think Donnie is going to fold just because other GMs are panicking and throwing undeserved Max’s around. He’s too experienced to do something like that.

I actually thought this free agency period was going to be fun and entertaining. Now I just can’t wait for it to be over. The constant rumors are just getting really annoying, especially since most of them seem to have no substance. I sort of wish we could just fast forward a week or two!

Doesn’t Ellis have a disgusting contract though? Donnie has acted like uncle Scrooge for the last 2 years, doub’t he’d pull the trigger on that one as it might hurt us next year when curry comes off the books.

+1

if the knicks cant sign lebron or wade or trade for a supersat (melo, paul) just re-sign lee and call it a day. id rater win 35 games with lee at 12 m per than win 42 games with amare and his 16 m per and bad knees.

just do us all a favor and bring back lee…. atleast he has stated he wants to be here and he is ours. amare is coming for the money if we dont get lebeon/wade.

Dude your killin me…I’ve had MIAMIMOE as my username for almost two years…i see thru your posts that your an intelligent guy but lets face it we gotta make a compromise…an by compromise i mean you gotta change your name hommie…no shots but lets face it i think i’ve earned MiamiMoe…welcome to the blog tho playa

Sorry, but thats insane. 42 wins probably makes the playoffs. Thats something this organization hasn’t done in a LONG time. If the Knicks make the playoffs and Amare has a good season, NY is also going to be a much more attractive place for free agents to play in. If our team is exactly the same as last year, no free agent is going to come here next year. Its important that this team takes steps forward to show that this organization is moving in the right direction. This team NEEDS to make the playoffs.

Nobody is expecting him to do the Knicks “any favors”. Just be professional about things-that’s how you act “in the real world”. They gave him more money last year than they had to. They put him in a situation last year where he was able to grossly inflate his stats, which he is now able to capitalize on with a mega contract, despite having done nothing but lose in his career. He will soon be ridiculously overpaid. Despite all this, he’s bitter at the organization? What a clown.

Sounds logical enough. I’m turned off by him and BOsh now. With all the cameras following them around and all that… Those divas can go sign somewhere else. How queer is that? NY needs gritty players. Miami and Chicago can have all those soft pretty boys. plus the fan base down here is AWEFUL. been to too many good match up games down here and the arena is silent, and half empty. Miami sucks.

haha yo son, sorry, but the name sticks. Been posting on Bluescreen and isola’s sh*thorrible blog for like 4 years now, not to mention i’m more into the knickerblogger site, but whatever.. I’m Mike, and you’re moe. I live in Miami, so thats me. thanks for the welcome, though. I had to break my silence, this circus is rediculous.

LOL. ur kidding right. u would be satisifed with JUST MAKING THE PLAYOFFS…

we could have did that we ZEBO AND JAMAL!

its becoming a championship caliber team that i am only interested in. we did not suffer to just simply make the playoffs.

We are gonna have a good team next year, amare is a great start and donnie is shrewd he will get us good players we will be in the playoffs this season with or without lebron, im not worried about lebron cause we have soo many options out there i am very confident

Um yeah I would be satisfied with just making the playoffs NEXT YEAR. You would apparently be satisfied with winning 35 games with _avid Lee on the roster… Not sure that makes too much sense or helps us long term. No free agent is going to come here in 2011 for the chance to play with David Lee. Amare is a much more attractive piece to other super stars, and has even said he would try and recruit Melo and Parker.

Nets and Bulls??? SMH man Lee wants to hit us where it hurts. If that dose happen I have a new foe

my point is if your simply content with making the playoffs, we could have never traded zebo and jamal….

to be honest im not even sure we make the playoffs with just amare. maybe amare gives u 4 more wins over lee maybe.

i love how the fans heredo not appreciate david lee. it is disgusting. lee is a rebounding machine, ambidexterous, and is DURABLE as they come. i love lee.

Lee will probably end up with the Nyets. Good for him. Nothing to complain about when it comes to David Lee. BUT HE IS NOT WORTH MAX MONEY.

Maybe we should have forked over 8-10 mil a year last Summer, but who could guess his midrange game would become so lethal?

BUT, he’s not a strong-willed leader. Too often he differed and he certainly isn’t a go-to option late in the 4th, with the game on the line. And he offered little on defense.

Amar’e is a better player. Even on defense, he can alter/block shots at times. STAT is also the stronger personality not afraid to take charge. He’s also the stronger competitor.

Nothing against LEE, but the Knicks are better with Amar’e as their PF. I wish nothing but the best for LEE. With a strong C & PG, Lee will be lethal! He shouldn’t hold a grudge though….

He could take less money to stay if he wanted, but he wants his money. Should we hold a grudge then?

Maybe we shouldn’t have traded Z-Bo and Crawford if we didn’t have the ability to land any superstars. They are already gone though so I don’t really see what your point is.

I don’t dislike David Lee, but you are overrating him. He is not a rebound machine. Put anyone at C in the Knicks system and they will come down with 10-15 rebounds every night. Look what happened when the Knicks put Barron at C. He grabbed like 18 rebounds the first night he started. Plus, Lee also scored so much because he took advantage of centers that wouldn’t contest his mid-range shot. Any PF would be contesting the open jumper. Lee isn’t nearly as good as Amare, plus he will command just as much money. With most of the free agents off the market, Lee is probably going to get a max contract.

@dylan….

first off lee’s mac contract is less than amares so they cant get paid the same amount.

second of all… the guy was money with his mid range game…he never misses it seems like. his mid range shot will still fall even he is a 4.

lee is ambidexterous… not many players can finish around the rim like lee does with 2 hands.

my point about zebo and craw was that they could have given u the same results… an 8th seed and first round exit. i agree with the trades of them…..

What is with this Amare bad knees(plural) stuff? The guy had micro-fracture surgery FIVE years ago. He Played 82 games last season. His only other injury was the freak eye raking incident.

I’d take that over David Lee any day. Lee doesn’t change the game, teams don draw up game plans to stop Lee, Lee doesn’t draw fouls, Lee can’t win you games, No superstar players are ever going to be excited about the the prospect of playing with Lee.

Give me a break with this Lee over Amare stuff.

Lee would also only make about 1-2 mil less per year. That isn’t enough money to factor into the decision.

His mid-range shot was NEVER contested because no 260 pound center was willing to guard him near the perimeter. He wont be able to hit that shot as consistently when he has a man in his face. By the way Amare has a very good mid-range shot as well.

Its cool that he is ambidextrous, but all that means is that he can finish with both hands. Amare doesn’t need to finish with both hands, because instead of trying to get around the contact, he will just dunk right over the defender. He looks to go through the contact, and Lee looks to avoid the contact.

Also, Amare is much better on the P&R. He is ridiculously explosive, even after the injury problems. He also plays much better defense than Lee. He isn’t a great defender, but he blocks a lot of shots, and is a bigger presence in the paint.

Most importantly, he will help bring in free agents. James really wanted to play with him last year. Players really like his game.

i love amare and i would be thrilled if he is here… i am simply digusted by the lack of appreciation for david lee.

i still think lee will be able to nail those mid range jumpers.

I like David Lee, and I hope he has a great career. The guy put in a lot of hard work and has been our best player for the last few years. Unfortunately, he has a lot of flaws in his game, and imho the Knicks have better options. I wish nothing but the best for Lee though. Good player and an even better guy.

true but stephon is now the face of the franchise and ellis is starting to fade in terms of importance on the court in oakland. don’t forget about his issues with management. hard to say if those have been worked out. would not surprise me in the least if he was on the block.

a point guard who averages 25 points on the warriors is not going to do that if he’s playing with lebron and amare. you can cut that number down to about 15-16.

No love for David Lee, that’s dreadful.

Let’s see, Lee is just a product of a D’Antoni system and just gets 12 boards a game because of it.

Yeah, and now we have Amare, who is also a product of a D’Antoni. So when did Amare ever average 10 boards? Never!

Some of you guys kill me with your illogic.

people need to get off lee. he’s a borderline all-star who will get exposed when he has to justify his mega-deal in another town.

everyone loves him because he’s homegrown but you’ll be singing a different tune if he were to resign with the knicks, puts up similar numbers, and still doesn’t make the playoffs and while showing no improvement on defense.

thank you!

sometimes it appears knick fans just want to find a reason to hate every player. none of them are perfect, they all have holes in their game and they are all a second away from a career-ending/altering injury.

i hear you hommie…i’m from Miami too…I can’t say i’m too happy about this whole thing and i def understand that the ridiculousness thats been goin on in the FA period…like i said welcome to the illest knick blog out there (how did you waste your time in Isola’s blog for so long) Isola’s incompetence is only matched by the posters ignorant comments…i guess it’s either gonna be some friendly competition for true rights to the Miami name or we become some like Bash Bros. duo…either way you don’t seem like a Knick obstructionist so welcome playa

lol. I hate Chris Broussard. He hates the Knicks so much, that not only does he not give them any chance at getting a big fa, but he comes up with the most ridiculous scenarios where the Knicks take on headcases like Gilbert Arenas and Monta Ellis instead.

Ridiculous.

And Lee is not doing us any favors. He’s made that pretty clear. I think we should try to work something out with the worst gm in the league David Kahn for Rubio with a sign and trade. If we could get Minnesota to take Lee for 6 years at 10 million a year, I think he would help us out because he’ll go where the money is.

But yeah, unless Lee is making more money from us in a S&T he will not help us out.

Why would the fans get upset, if we just get Amare? We do see the Knicks being active, and we don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that these free agents would have to leave max contracts on the table to come here. Would you? So stop trippin! It does takes TWO who’s willing to commit and we are willing to commit!

I wouldn’t deal with Minnesota unless they are willing to give us Rubio along with Lee sign & trade. Donnie ought to play hardball!

I definitely agree with that scenario!

You guys can even wait until LBJ or Wade announce where their going before selling the farm. Chill and keep your thoughts to yourself, because I’m sure Donnie and Co is doing the waiting game and don’t want to hurt their cap for the sake of just doing something! Gotta be smart.

David Lee has always been a diva.

He couldn’t care less about this organization.