NY Post: Knicks Will Look to Deal Chandler

by Chris Alvino on July 11th, 2010 at 11:15 am

via NY Post:

“According to a person familiar with the Knicks’ thinking, the club will explore trading Wilson Chandler, possibly packaging him with the expiring contract of Eddy Curry. The Knicks would love to trade for a premier outside-shooting big man.

Chandler, who has had ankle surgery two straight offseasons, has a contract the Knicks likely will move to be enough under the 2011 salary cap for a maximum contract. The addition of versatile forward Anthony Randolph and swingman Kelenna Azubuike makes Chandler more expendable for a roster lacking size. The Knicks don’t believe Chandler can handle shooting-guard duties.

The Knicks have had internal discussions about shooting guard Rasual Butler, but they didn’t have enough room. They were looking at centers Theo Ratliff and Tony Battie in case the deal with the Russian didn’t work.”

This should not necessarily be news to many people.  Eddy Curry will not be traded on his own and Wilson Chandler has become a little bit more expendable with the team’s recent draft choices and acquisitions from Golden State.

That said, do not read this as the Knicks TRYING to deal away Chandler.  Chandler is a solid young player with a ton of room to improve.  The Knicks will not give him away for mediocrity with a long term contract.  That just will not happen.

I would imagine that if Walsh in fact deals away Curry and Chandler for anyone not named Chris Paul (not going to happen with Felton coming to town) or Carmelo Anthony, it would be for a player with one year left on his pact.  I have to believe that until Carmelo signs his three year extension, the Knicks would like to stay in contention to sign him outright next summer and not have to worry about sign and trades.

Players with expiring contracts that are of interest to me include: Tayshaun Prince, Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy.  Of those players, Murphy is the most attractive as I think he would be an excellent complement to Amare. He is 6’11, an elite rebounder (in the David Lee class), and can shoot out at the 3 point line (surprisingly well too).  He would be our starting center and would give us a starting five that would include Felton, Murphy, Amare, Gallo and probably Bill Walker.  However, I doubt that Indiana would deal Murphy for a package of Wilson Chandler and Curry.  Prince would also be a nice addition as he would bring versatility, defense, veteran savvy, and most importantly, a championship pedigree to this roster.

I have not heard rumors connected to any of those players.  They are just names that popped into my head.  If the Knicks do not acquire a sweet shooting big to play center next to Amare, I would not be shocked if Anthony Randolph is given the bulk to the minutes at center.  With his abilities and potential, Mike D’Antoni might simply let him learn on the job and let him play.  Eddy Curry is a possibility if he comes to camp in shape, but the Knicks owe him nothing.  His damage to this team and their pursuit of elite free agents has already been done. If he wants to play, he will have to earn it, something he has not done in years for this team.  Jerome Jordan is a rookie and it remains to be seen if he can adapt to the pros.  The same goes for Timofey Mosgov if he in fact signs here.

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  • Magik_Trick

    Curry’s an expiring, let him rot on the bench this season…

    Please Keep Wilson, Donnie, PLEASE!?!!?!

    Though I want him to stay, My gut says Ill Will doesnt make it to the trade deadline as a Knick…

  • Dylan

    Where would Chandler play? There is no chance D’Antoni starts him over Gallo. He won’t play the 2 either, because D’Antoni is going to want someone with a good handle who can shoot. I guess he could back up Gallo, but the Knicks already have like 5 guys who could play SF.

  • feramorz

    Solid analysis from Alvino.

    To sign a max next year, we likely can’t afford to keep Chandler. But, we can’t take back a long term contract for him.

    I also like the point about Randolph starting at center. Please, D’Antoni, give Randolph playing time. Let’s see what he can do.

  • donnie walsh

    Murphy would kinda create a logjam wouldn’t he? It sounds crazy to have too many bigs on the knicks but: Murphy/Amare/Randolph/Turiaf/Russian, who is the one getting no burn? I fear it would be Randolph. We’ve seen Dantoni’s hesitancy to play the young guys when its already apparent they should be. (Douglas).

  • HaS

    I like Randolph, but starting him at center would be a mistake.

    The same mistake _on Nelson made.

  • Bloop33

    Troy Murphy would be insane on this team in this offense.

    Wilson is a goner and rightfully so, he’s got Chrysler 300 motor in a Bentley body and he’s expendable with our glut at the 3 spot.
    Package him for something good that expires this year IF possible. Sure he’s still got good upside, but that handle lol…that nonsense cant rock at the 2 spot in this offense anymore. We will certainly miss his versatility but the times, well they’re a changin and he’s gotta bounce.

    I would love to use him in a deal for Melo somehow but who knows? It pains me that due to his injury late last season he couldn’t finish the season strong and give GM’s around the league a little more to think about this summer. And the herbal essence thing (face palm

    …its time to Kill Will.

  • HaS

    I personally think Randolph should back up Amar’e at the 4.

    Trading for Troy Murphy would signal “Suns East”.

  • italian stallion

    Personally I think Amare should be the C for awhile and we should use Randolph at PF.

    Randolph is too thin to guard stronger Cs, but we NEED his rebounding and shot blocking in there with Amare because he’s not that great at either.

    WE can spell Amare at C with Turiaf until we see how how the draft pick and the Russian work out as Cs.

  • HaS

    I’m tired of reading posts about what would be so crazy in this “offense” and who we should get for this “system”… uh there’s two sides of the floor, can the “coach” (and apparently the fans) make a decision based on how something will work defensively?

    The Knicks scored a ton of points last year, tied for 2nd in the East in fact at 105.9, but uh… they finished 3 games out of 2nd to dead last in the conference when it came to wins. So yea, let’s trade one of the Knicks better defenders for another outside shooter, that’s what we need.

    Wake up.

  • italian stallion

    If D’Antoni doesn’t give Randolph a lot of minutes he’s retarded. He’s already the second best player on our team behind Amare and could easily develop into the best player if allowed to develop.

    This kid can board, block shots, and handle. He can also score but he needs some time to get more efficient and lengthen his range a tad.

    He’s the absolutely perfect fit with Amare because each is great at what the other is only OK at.

  • gianthinker

    Donnie Walsh has confirmed that he will not be retiring, “I’m not leaving now. The biggest thing about all of this is that I want to get the Knicks back up. That’s it. That’s why I’m here and that’s what keeps me going. Everybody knows my commitment here. Basically my motivation – this is a hard job – is try to get this team back in contention. That’s what keeps me going.”

  • brookdon

    Absolutely agreed. I think he has the most upside on our team next to gallo. I say start Randolph at the 4 and Amare at the 5.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Included in the trade is a lifetime supply of cheeseburgers for Curry and rolling paper for Chandler as a trade insensitive to their new team.

  • gianthinker

    I love Wilson Chandler. Before we signed Amare I could say WC was my favorite player on the Knicks. I love his upside and think he has a load of potential. I’ve been pretty much assuming we’d trade him since we have so many SF’s and he has the skills to get us someone good. I just hope he sticks around unless he can land us someone truly worth it.

  • http://twitter.com/NYKConnoisseur Matty_Pickles

    I like the Murph. Although I don’t know if we would need him. I feel like SG is what we need.

    I did see Murphy on 6th street a few years ago and was like “hey, he would be a good knick” … Then a minute later I saw Jesse Malin eating ice cream with a neckbrace on.

    A strange day!

  • BiggieSmalls

    My HOPE for the start of the year is that the “Coach” extends the rotation to at least nine guys and sees what he has in some of the new players.

    I honestly dont see Turiaf getting a second of PT with this “coach”.. BTW.. why is he on a safari in Africa when he is coming off a serious injury? that gives me pause.

    The time is NOW (or during the season) to use Chandler in a trade before he goes RFA and his price to value ration gets all out of sorts.

    I’d like to see Curry given every opportunity to showcase what he has in the early stages of the season.. nothing crazy in terms of minutes..

    Felton Im warming up to.. so long as it’s a two year deal..

  • gianthinker

    It’s funny that the article brings up Tayshaun Prince. To me he has less value as an expiring contract and more as a player. I’ve always felt he could be a monster in D’Antoni’s system and the combination of his length with Amare’s could be devistating for opponents to deal with.

  • Rono

    Agreed.
    Randolph and Gallo are Potential All-Stars in 2 years when given 35+ min.
    D’Antoni: they will grow up, improve and form a formidable front court with Amare.

  • brookdon

    I have a question. If we go after Melo next year does that mean we have to Aldo let go of Gallinari. I believe he has a option next season.

  • Jeff C

    HaS i don’t think they want to replace chandler with a shooter, i just think they already have a replacement for him in azuibuike/fields. Kelena is a very strong defender and can actually play the 2, which chandler cannot, and galo has too many minutes at the 3. Basically, we don’t need him anymore, so the idea is that we would trade him for a player to fill a hole. Another big man to complement amare would be nice.

    When i talk about someone being good for the ‘system’ im not just referring to offense and shooting. You need versatile athletic strong defenders. I always think of marion as the ideal forward for D’Antoni, for reasons on both sides of the court. I think randolph can play that roll, but add some inches and a lot more blocks.

    @italian stallion, i completely agree amare should start at center for a while and give randolph the 4 spot.

  • Knickoftime

    My sources tell me that the player that the Knicks are interested in is Al Jefferson. Minnesota wanted to offload him before and continue to seek a trade partner. The numbers match!

  • gianthinker
  • brookdon

    If we get Jefferson that means no Melo and I believe No Paul in a few years. Doesn’t matter though, the heat will release all of their minimum players and sign Paul also.

  • DR

    Not a chance for Jefferson, he has 3 yrs left on his deal, would kill any cap space for the next 2 off seasons

  • Rono

    no Al Jefferson. He can’t complement Amare.

  • brookdon

    I think Melo is more of a possibility than LBJ was but Rose was also on record a few years ago saying Bosh and LBJ to NY.

  • Mucha

    Randolph is not Marcus Camby, he’s not a center.

  • fredweis

    Agreed. If you go small is Amare at the 5. Randolph is a 3/4.

    I’d prefer a true 5, though I think Troy Murphy is a great fit for Mike D, and NY.

  • fredweis

    Turiaf will play. He’s part Brian Skinner, part Boris Diaw. Both former D’Antoni guys.

    Mike D also loves hard workers, and Turiaf is that. Turiaf is also an underrated passer in the post (avg 2 apg in 21 mp last 2 seasons).

    Lastly, the SSOL thrives on shot blocking. It’s a fast break trigger.

  • fredweis

    I think Dumars will trade Hamilton and extend Prince.

  • jaknicksfan

    I Want Carmelo, no contracts that are longer than a year please! melo played in ny in college and needs to be a knick, him amare and felton with gallo hitting threes would be awesome

  • choggs

    That’s right.. give 2 paper thin (albeit athletic) help defending PFs starter minutes. Best option obviously is to start turiaf to have grit and consistency at C and Amare at PF. Let Randolph come off the bench (with douglas), because randoldph’s an energy guy, and that’s what you need from your bench.

    And agreed with HaS. Why trade Ill Will for another shooting big man? i’d rather have Ill Will at 2 simply because he’s been here before. And with all the new players, a little consistency or continuity with the roster might go a long way.

  • choggs

    2nd best player? Randolph? hahah i bet he won’t even crack the starting lineup.

  • choggs

    if we get melo and keep Gallo, IMO amare will slide to C, and have melo play PF and play a lot of Zone D.

  • brookdon

    I think Randolph has to much talent to sit on the bench. Plus when has Dantoni been known to play centers?

  • brookdon

    It’s also funny that when Garnett came out, people were calling him paperthin.

  • Chris Alvino

    Well, with the loss of Lee, adding Murphy’s rebounding ability would be a plus.

  • bigblue973

    lol lebron got boooeedd bad outside of carmelo’s wedding last night good for his azz he better get use to it!!!!!!

  • jg2112

    Plus we need to learn our lessons from this offseason.

    Sometimes clearing the roster to have money is enough. Players would always look to SIGN AND TRADE because they can get the most money from their current team.

    LeBron, Bosh, David Lee, etc., all where sign and trades. You need to have “pieces” that make it work so that the other team (in this case, the Nuggets) work with you in convincing Melo (if he decides to leave, which I’m still not sure) to take our offer.

    That way we don’t have to give up draft picks. The nuggets would have a void in SF and Chandler could be of their interest…

    I still consider that a long shot, but that’s the new kool aid ain’t it?

  • Hydr0

    My sources tell me that your sources don’t know what they are talking about lol

  • jg2112

    I want to focus more on winning games instead of what other teams need to do to help us out.

    But that’s just me.

  • JeffM729

    What did Randolph ever do to deserve even starting for the Knicks let along be our 2nd best player? He couldn’t even start in Golden State and they are worse than the we are. We don’t even know how we will be coming back from ankle surgery. Can’t see D’Antoni giving him major minutes as he’s not a good shooter and a head case. He’s just a tall N8 if you ask me.

  • JeffM729

    Good luck trading a player coming off ankle surgery and just busted for pot and another one who hasn’t played for two years, is bankrupt, and had sex with a minor to Indianapolis. Some of you guys don’t get out much, but the last thing Indiana needs is players with baggage after Artest, Jackson and Tinsley. You don’t get much more white bread, corn fed in the NBA than Indy.

  • JeffM729

    I wonder if LeBron getting a ton of hate will give him the killer instinct he’s been missing. It seems to have worked for Kobe.

  • jg2112

    I hate that “Sources” dude… he must be a Celtics fan.

  • BiggieSmalls

    i seriously doubt he can pass and hit 3 point shots like Boris DIAW..

  • Dylan

    Idk man Kobe always had that killer instinct. The problem was he was not a team player, and wouldn’t pass the ball to his teammates. He was a ballhog and took way too many shots. LeBron on the other hand doesn’t want the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.

  • duhon the goat

    co-sign Jeff C about need versatile, strong, athletic defenders. Having an uptempo system is of course about scoring, but people dont realize how amazing the system can be on both ends of the floor when you have defenders that are VST (versatile, strong, athletic) who can hustle down the other end of the floor after a basket, and be a playmaker on defense.

  • duhon the goat

    needing*

  • Jack D

    Could someone explain why Indiana would do this when Murphy is an expiring just like Curry? Murphy will make around 12 mil, while Curry 11 and Wilson 2 mil.

  • The Mecca

    The way I see the roster shaping up suggests that the Knicks will play Randolph at the 3. The Jordan and Mosgrov acquisitions is a hope that we can develop one of these guys into a backup center that can play D and run the floor. So, why not trot out a starting five of:

    PG: Felton
    SG: Gallo
    SF: Randolph
    PF: Amar’e
    C: Curry

    Then we would have an improved bench with guys like Walker, Chandler, Douglas, and one of Jordan / Mozgrov to fill out the rotation. Is this possible?

  • Jack D

    I’m sure more than half of the NBA smokes pot during the off season. Just because he got busted for weed doesn’t make him a bad guy. I think Wilson’s a good kid, and a good character player (although I would like to see some more emotion).

  • Jack D

    It would be a miracle if Curry plays, let alone START.

  • DatNewYorker

    Troy Murphy can’t stay on the court. Chandler is much more durable. Who on this team are going to guard Lebron, Wade, Pierce, Vince Carter and so on? Chandler is out best perimeter defender. So unless Raja Bell is signing here for one year, I don’t want to hear about “Troy Can’t stay on the court Murphy”.

  • DatNewYorker

    Plus his nose is way to BIG

  • HATEHEAT

    Any video of it?

  • HATEHEAT

    I believe the idea is that both Curry and Murphy could be used at the trading deadline as assets. In this scenario Indiana gets a nice piece in Chandler and still has an equal value trade asset in Curry.

    If they value getting Chandler more than they do playing Murphy all year, then it’s rational for them to make this deal.

  • HATEHEAT

    I’m not sure that Gallo is quick enough to guard the other team’s shooting guard. Otherwise I would replace Curry (if he’s not in playing shape) with Turiaf.
    Like the idea of having Gallp, Randolph, and Amare on the court at the same time. Creates big time matchup issues for the other team.

  • bartnyk

    I tired of people using the “system” card it’s got to be the most annoying thing I’ve ever been privy to know of.

    2. If Donnie Walsh trades Wilson for Troy Murphy because of _Antoni’s (yea I’m writing his name like that now) “system” we will “systematically” be abused in the paint all season. Its no different than playing Lee/Amare its a bad idea.

    3. If Randolph can’t play center he should be traded IMO. People get caught up with his offensive game, he’s a lanky 7′fter blocks shots and can rebound. If he’s not a perfect center for Mikes “system” then there isn’t one.

  • NYsonnn

    AR supposidly put on 30 pounds.. hes supposidly 240 now

  • bartnyk

    Turiaf wont get PT under in this “system” spot minutes at best.

    To your Anthony R point, what centers can’t he guard?

    Perkins? He sucks offensively
    Howard? No one can guard him/Amare would spend most of the mins on him.
    Bargnani? He’s a soft shooting big.
    etc.

    If AR is Amares backup he should be traded.

  • DatNewYorker

    Gallo is a SG?

    So you are okay with Gallo guarding Wade, Ray Allen, Kobe, and all the other SG’s in the NBA???

  • NYsonnn

    lmao

  • HATEHEAT

    Question: I read that Udonis Haslem is considering accepting a $20 mil offer to return to Miami. How in the hell can they do that if they are already over the cap and they had to have denounced rights to him in order to sign the 3 Wussies?

  • HATEHEAT

    If Randolph is now at 240 lbs and can put on another 15 lbs of muscle, he would be the perfect Center for SSOL.

  • bartnyk

    I agree, I think some people focus too much on his offense saying hes a 3/4, hes a 7 footer lanky blks rebs now hes up to 240lbs.

    He needs to focus on defense to play with Amare. Hes too tall to be out on the wing shooting 3s.

  • MAYAman
  • bartnyk

    And we played Jared Jefferies as the center in this “system” so I don’t see why Randolph can’t.

  • MAYAman

    Oh and I still believe Riley and Wade tampered.

  • bartnyk

    yea Old news guys around here are sharks they’re on anything pro-knick.

  • HankNight

    Regarding Turiaf, I got onto a Golden State fan comments page & all of the fans raved about Turiaf’s competitiveness, drive & leadership qualities that they were going to miss. I think that he is going to be an asset for the Knicks. I’m not concerned at all about the safari thing after what I read about the guy.

    You can’t use Chandler now in a trade without giving up alot of potential value, because of the ankle injury & the need to show that he is all the way back.

    I’m not saying that we are going to have a great team, which we all wanted this off season, but I’m excited about seeing a new team with some very interesting parts!

  • HaS

    “Mike D also loves hard workers, and Turiaf is that. Turiaf is also an underrated passer in the post (avg 2 apg in 21 mp last 2 seasons).”

    If _’antoni liked hard workers he would have given Toney Douglas consistent minutes after his first 20 point game less than a month into the season. Marcus Landry would have taken off his warmups more than 17 times last year.

    The only thing that this “coach” “loves” more than his own “genius” “system” is the three point shot.

    “Lastly, the SSOL thrives on shot blocking. It’s a fast break trigger.”

    It would be wonderful if the “coach” saw it that way, but _’antoni doesn’t care if his team is pulling the ball out of the net to run the whole game as long as they’re running.

  • DinnerDog

    I still liked the idea of trading for Rudy Fernandez. He’d be a better fit. I love Wilson, but he’s a ball stopper and the only way this season works for the knicks is if they fully commit to the system. We need a guy who can hit threes and knows how to make the right pass, especially since Ray Felton is not exactly Steve Nash. He may not be better now than Chandler, but I think if he played a fill season here he would end up being a way better player for this particular team.

  • johneco

    I’d consider trading him, and agree with the expiring cntract idea – either in one year for carmelo, or two years for Paul. In general I think the Knicks’ plan is to maintain flexibility to possibly make a max offer to those 2 players – all trade talk for them makes no sense since the Knicks don’t have the assets. But I don’t want Troy Murphy for Chandler. Chandler will himself be an expiring in that timeframe btw.

  • HaS

    LMAO

    The slowest guy in your lineup is Gallinari at SG.

    No. Thank. You.

  • YO SON

    (repost from days ago THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!) Dang I knew for sure that gallo would have sealed the deal on us getting lebron… ..HAHAHAHA..I guess he forgot about the time when he spoke to him after the game you remember right guys…hahahaha…thought a bond had developed…HAHA….the lies some dudes tell THEMSELVES just to increase one’s value when there’s hardly nothing there(maybe just a lil)….thought that that COWARD would have read this blog to help realize the talent that him and wade could NOT see when they were actually playing against gallo….AAHAHAHHAHAA…..nobody is coming here because of
    B R O K E B A C K M O U N T A I N……AHAHAHaHAHAhahAHAHaa……DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!! clowns still trying to hold on to him in regards to trades and line-ups like he has any worth….dudes are delusional ..his name has not been mentioned by ANYBODY outside of this blog…..NOBODY mentioned son ……nobody of importance anyway……NOT ONCE!!!!!!! (hopefully this and the rest of my post will stick from days prior this time around…..that‘s what this place has come to….pathetic….and TYPICAL!!!!)

  • YO SON

    tommy enjoy your vacation nobody has worked harder as a walsh and antoni apologist trying to hide and mask and sweep such garbage under the rug that was too visible and grotesque of a smell to hide…..I wanted so bad just like yall to believe that espn was conspiring against us ….I wanted to hope that sport outlets all over the web were trying to diminish our worth just so that COWARD would have came here riding oh his big Black high horse to write the fairy tail story book ending that we all wanted to see/read…….but at the end of the day they were telling the TRUTH…THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!!!!!….this regime has been disgusting and disgraceful and has done a horrible job representing NY…walsh has failed in all 3 drafts and there’s no way of getting around it…no picks from his trades NOTHING….the LOCAL media has BAMBOOZELED some of you to actually believing that his moves had put us in the best place possible of getting that COWARD and it was a LIE…he strayed from his plan on how he envisioned our team of being(team of the 90‘s go listen to his first press conference)..from his first coaching hire to his first free agency signing all 3 drafts and we now have a 7th seed at best to show for it(which was basically what we were when he got the position for the antoni believers and the 6-3 start)….and like others who have been thrown under the bus just to increases walsh’s worth out bidding himself for his top signing free agent and for what…….(cant front on paper solid moves all around after the fact…..but without a Mike Brown on the sidelines as a Defensive Coordinator what really is the point as long as this coach and gm is here….*walsh get a f’n backbone/heart and DEMAND Brown as a lead assistant on this useless coaching staff PLZ*)

  • YO SON

    I fell back after the draft and occasionally checked the blog just to represent(sup knowledge good lookin on the shout out’s homie) and didn’t tell dudes how I truly felt after that draft and I see new dudes come on here talking reckless out of no where with blind folds on thinking that there was really away for us to get that COWARD….when we never really had a chance…….no matter how many different ways we tried to spin it ….we had the wrong dudes leading us(gm/coach)….
    the media didn’t lie about our presentation just look at walsh’s quotes for sending reps back to ohio..just look at him at the signing of Amare reading from a paper like darn near line for line….like are you serious…he had 3 summers to get it right……3 summers for a once in a life time opportunity and he shot a brick because he was intimidated by a bunch of COWARDS from akron….AHAHAHA…he had 1 plan for 3 summers for that day and he FAILED!!!!…according to popular belief besides MSG and the city the one thing we had to sell was our cap flexibility and they couldn’t get that right after 3 SUMMERS…

  • YO SON

    just like the best way for us to improve talent for 3 summers was threw the draft and they couldn’t get that right….who wouldn’t hesitate throwing there future into the hands of these people…. THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!!!!!!!…..you had other teams going in with there sell pitch making fun of this regime with cartoons because they are a joke and they need to go……at the end of the day I was probably more hurt and or offended after that draft, then I was with that COWARD running and hiding underneath wade’s and riley sack….especially after all that grindin we(tkb) did and for what(drafting routins and fields COME ON SON WTF)…. son is past his time…

  • HaS

    “3. If Randolph can’t play center he should be traded IMO. People get caught up with his offensive game, he’s a lanky 7′fter blocks shots and can rebound. If he’s not a perfect center for Mikes “system” then there isn’t one.”

    Randolph isn’t 7 feet though, he handles the ball better than Gallinari and he’s much quicker. Using your logic, Gallinari should play center.

    He’s bigger and stronger than Randolph and the same height.

  • HaS

    “And we played Jared Jefferies as the center in this “system” so I don’t see why Randolph can’t.”

    Jeffries never played center, _avi_ was the Knicks “center” last year.

  • YO SON

    (repost from days ago….THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!) The funny thing yo out of all of this was at the end of the day when all else failed….because it did FAIL horrifically….the Knicks brass ran to WHO of all people to fix a 3 year in the making MESS …….ISIAH THOMAS….AahhaAHHAHahahAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAaa…I been tried to tell yall but no one was trying to hear me instead you dudes tried to pill on me without being open minded(it‘s all good)…..CLASSIC!!…
    REVENGE IS LIKE THE SWEETIST JOY NEXT TO GETTING PUZZY(Pac)….I told you dudes over and over that THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST and it did….2 bad that BIRD didn’t wait for the winter to fly south…how dare you clowns take shots at the GREAT Steven A. Smith…haha..Dolan should have hired Mr. T(Mike Tannenbaum) instead of walsh…who ever that guy talks to he gets…WORD…..but at the end of the day still got love for yall but I think I’m done posting…this regime has to go….some of US saw the TRUTH but still had hope…..I don’t think I can sit here just to read bios BS and allow cornballz to still try to re-write the script and recite LIES(TYPICAL!!!!)…I love this team too much…put to much work in some of us dig a little deeper…a lot of us did ….more work then your current head coach did to me and that‘s the sad part…that‘s real talk too….we were embarrassment of a organization before walsh got here and we still are matter fact even more so…we got clowned from every direction hoping to get the last laugh and we got laughed at and on the hardest…….

  • YO SON

    Where was the clout walsh was suppose to have, where was the respectability, where was the juice that this man was suppose to posses ….he had little to none…real talk…look at the trade moves ON DRAFT day to help THERE cause and look at last years draft pick up to our 2012 pick go bye bye in a attempt to destroy OUR cause amongst other scenarios….look at a western conference pf make the allstar team and we couldn’t even get a couple of second round picks for him….look at the 6th man of the year award winner who actually led his team to the second round while there the max player from the hawks disappeared but we couldn’t get any picks for him…..and the CRAZY thing about that situation is that we WAS GOING TO GIVE HIM MAX MONEY TOO…ahahahahaha…the worse… but real quick before I go with luv p.s……

    ILL WILL IS GOING NO WHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!(hope he actually gets traded to get away from this horrific disaster…at least this time walsh‘s mistake will put a smile onto some of you FOOLZzz faces..darn shame..)

    TOP 25 UNDER 25 DEAD or ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!*SUCCAZ* DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!

    LONG LIVE ILL WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ONE

    YO SON!!……………………………………..

  • JeffM729

    D’Antoni hasn’t started Curry in two years. He’s not going to change his spots now.

  • YO SON

    Oh 1 question that I thought to ask was this before I go…HAHA……If gallo was a African American lottery pick who suffered a serious threatening back injury in his first game(SUMMER LEAGUE) and was slow footed with no athleticism and the playmaker ability that he was suppose to poses has yet to be shown and seems to be some what frail would there be so much optimism for him….would he be so untradable and deemed as a future All Star….what if Isiah drafted him will people be so optimistic about his future potential and aggressively ignore what is not there….If gallo was a 6’10 3 point chucker for 95% of the season and was absent on darn near every road game and missed darn near every timely big 3 point shot and was a horrible rebounder for his height would there still be so much love…would he not be viewed as soft….will he still be considered the next dirk….doubt it…I wonder if his bball iq would be in question even though he had over 4 years of professional bball experience and it never showed……sure it would…..

  • YO SON

    Now lets flip it lets say ILL WILL was an Italian kid and all he did was see him improve every year……all we did was see him play both sides of the ball and didn’t need to the ball on offence to play defense and never complained…what if he was a high flyin italian kid who played above the rim and maybe outside of Spree was the first Knick ever in NEW YORK KNICK HISTORY that was a swing man and played above the rim and averaged 15points(only taking like 10 shots a game if that) 5boards and a block and a steal a game average darn near 50% from the field and well over 80% from the free throw line…I’m sure if he was italian you could see the potential jump shot ability based on the above numbers which will prove that he has sum touch…..would people sleep on his 15 to 17 foot jump shot that he has shown and think it couldn’t get better when everything about him has insisted that it would like the rest of his game….. .

    I wonder if so many with that said would still depict his game and try to minimize his growth that we actually SEE every year and not HOPING for with others….I wonder would there be more of a appreciation for the best 2 way baller STILL on our team……I’m pretty sure there would be …I wonder if he was italian would there be so much enfaces on his bball iq on a 29 win team when noone hardly ever shown…I wonder if his passion heart and desire would be in question even though he plays above the rim and goes hard to the whole just to not get a call and constantly looking to be taught by his coaches always engage in asking questions when trying to improve his game……I wonder if he stepped up and attempted to block 1 of the freakiest athlete that is bigger in him to protect the rim to save a game would his heart and passion still be so much in question and over stated especially by dudes who probably don’t have any themselves haha doubt it…even though we played our best ball when he stepped up and didn’t wait to show productivity during the last month when there’s nothing to play for and 75% of the teams are already planning there vacations and the others are preparing for the playoffs would that be so overstated and glorified…… COME ON SON ….but I know what it is……and YOUz know what it is….just prefer you keep it 1 hunned and say your rooting for the kid lying about his current and future abilities and most importantly his health based on what you seen do to the fact that he looks more like you and you are more inclined to do so ignorantly because he looks similar to you..which I can understand I guess being there are so few in the sport you guys love that looks somewhat like you and on this team which you guys love that look somewhat like you….just sad you need to nock 1(THE BETTER ONE) just to big up the other and put him on such a high pedestal, meanwhile that other dude I’m referring too hasn‘t shown SH*T yet!!!!!!!……just sayin……..1

  • feramorz

    Here’s a good article from Windhorst on the behind-the-scenes on LeBron’s decision:

    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

    Judge for yourself. Riley clearly made all the right moves, and deserves credit. Did Walsh fail? I personally think that LeBron wasn’t coming for a variety of reasons, no matter what Walsh did. I think this decision was made a long time ago. I think Walsh made a good run at it, and the team is heading in the right direction.

  • Don Che

    Anthony Randolph is NOT ready to start, he is the second most TALENTED player on our team, but he’s just no physically/mentally ready to log 35 minutes.

    He’s 20 years old, its ok if he doesn’t start now. Us bringing in Turiaf/Russian/Jordan is a sign to come of us playing defense. Look at the guys we acquired.

    Douglas/AR/AK/Turiaf/Felton/Gallo/Wilson all bring effort on the defensive side of the ball. Also, Amare played the 5 before but even he sees the difference with having a guy like Robin Lopez next to him.

    Ball Movement, High IQ, Running the floor, and Shooting are the basis of our schemes, if we bring a 7 footer that can pass(Unlike JH), defend and work hard(unlike Darko) next to Lee, our system can still run.

    Since we just stocked up on 3 Centers that don’t shoot 3′s in the past 3 weeks, I think thats the rout we are going. Turiaf is a team guy, runs the floor, passes and defends…as well as playing hard. He can find a role in our rotation, maybe starting.

  • jg1170

    +1

  • Don Che

    wow..next to Amare, as you can tell I’m still not used to having him here. lol

  • jg1170

    Is TKB posting a game thread for the summer league game?

  • knicks-99

    Alan Hahn: Chris Paul thinking Big Three on Broadway? Check the Fix for details: http://bit.ly/bgjSv0 #nyknicks #nba

  • Ol Dirty 187

    well said…all thruth there, noone can even argue those words…

    but let me say this i feel as though Dantoni needs to go more so then anybody. if anyone truly thinks his “style of play” (which is nothing more then run and gun basketball and shoot the first decent look, aka a pick up game) is good effective basketball then u simply dont know the game, point blank period. This clown has no idea what defense is or even a low post presence for that matter.

    As sad as it is to say i feel like i rather have isiah coaching this team then dantoni…

    its sad that i love a team with the worst front office in all of sports!!!

  • HankNight

    _Antoni has never been very good with non-stars or young players. In this brave new world, he better figure out how to improve his abilities in that area FAST! He has a number of players now with potential, but who need to learn different techniques, including defensive techniques. If he doesn’t do a better job this year (last year he was absolutely terrible), this group will never grow or jell as a team!

  • Dylan

    If given the choice, would you guys take D-Will or CP3. Just curious.

  • HaS

    Wade, LeBron and Bosh all took less, leaving I think 8 or so million left.

    Miller might sign the 24-25 million deal with the 1st year starting at 4ish in the 1st year with raises throughout the deal.

    So I imagine Haslem is being offered 20 starting around 3ish w/ raises similar to Miller’s offer.

    The bench will be all vet minimums which don’t count against the cap (Juwan Howard types).

    Pat Riley got the top 3 free agents of the vaunted best free agency class ever. I have to admit that’s pretty amazing.

  • bigknicka

    +1

  • HaS

    “its sad that i love a team with the worst front office in all of sports!!!”

    ^ this.

    Painfully true.

  • bartnyk

    AR would average 3blks a game if he played 48, Gallo is not anywhere as athletic as him.

    Using my logic AR should play center because that’s what I’m saying.

    IMO his offense is irrelevant he needs to play defense that’s it, there are more than enough guys on this team to score and I’m sure he can avg 12+ pts in this “system”

    His focus should be rebounding, BLOCKED SHOTS, steals and a few assist. If he’s not traded for Melo.

  • MikelsPop

    D Will, hands down.

  • HaS

    “Using my logic AR should play center because that’s what I’m saying.”

    LOL

    The only people in basketball who share your logic are Mike _’antoni and _on Nelson.

  • Ol Dirty 187

    deff d will, i thinks hes the best pg in the game, not to mention hes so much stronger then most points…

  • HaS

    The last time they were playing at the same time, Paul was the best point guard in the NBA. “D-Will” only became the best when “CP3″ was out.

    I’m going with Chris Paul, but it’s extremely close. I like his fiery leadership and defense.

  • bartnyk

    Overkill

  • bartnyk

    If you disagree then you have to think he should be traded right?

  • DWknickfan

    Everyone hyping up Jordan but he looks pretty weak right now.

  • trlove

    troy murphy is a joke

  • grahambo86

    Ill assume you both aren’t Mets fans then. lol

  • grahambo86

    I cant wait two more years. Im done waiting for others to become free agents. If DW can magically pull off trading for Melo and CP3 then Im into it.

  • Ol Dirty 187

    haha, actually im a big mets fan, lol…

  • PipeDreamin

    i’m tired of “the system”.

    It’s no cooincidence that the finals came down to DEFENSE… Just like it always does!

    I’m not saying bring in Oak and Mason but defense needs to be a priority.

    One re-occurring theme with our Knicks under MD is being undersized and unmotivated on the defensive end.

    I like our additions so far, but Amare/Randolph/Turiaf are all around 6’10. These are not centers. Please do not underestimate how valuable those extra 2-3 inches can be.

    Maybe the Russian fills our need for a long defensive center, but i have a feeling it’s gonna be Groundhogs Day all over again with this mirroring the Darko signing last year. Donnie brings in a big man who can play D and finish yet he gets no play.

    I’ve always maintained that D’Antoni’s system is a gimmick. It’s the Wildcat Offense.

    I don’t want teams to continue to come into The Garden and kill us in the paint.

    My message to D’Antoni is:
    Dude… Run it. You know what? Gun it too. Take 25 three’s a game. But give us a BIG, DEFENSIVE, SHOT BLOCKING CENTER. The rest of your guys can be Euro-weenies. Just give us one guy. ONE GUY. Please.

  • PipeDreamin

    im at work so i can only see the stats on my computer. whats goin on with summer league? Bill Walker and Jordan’s stats look like caca.

    Tony Douglas is playing very well.

  • Ol Dirty 187

    i honestly think randolph is gonna become a great player. the reason he didnt play in g state is because nelson is a f***king idiot (not sayin dantoni isnt). I think he should deff crack the starting lineup, i really really hope dantoni and this moronic staff dont mess things up with this kid, hes gonna be special…

  • trlove

    actually you need to go, the dirty cheap shot artist era is over for the knicks get over it cause its not coming back. oakley, starks, mason, anthiny, harper the cheaters are out. offense is in.

  • gianthinker

    I’d take Rip in a second on this team. He’s still got skills and has great leadership.

  • BiggieSmalls

    Wilson Chandler wearing a “The Stones” T Shirt ..

    you cant make this stuff up.. LMAO./.

  • DWknickfan

    Jordan might not even make the knick team unless he starts playing better. How can he block shots if he has no desire to rotate from the weakside?

  • gianthinker

    True but Steven A Smith who claimed to be right about the “3 Kings” union in Miami also said a week before that LBJ and Bosh were a lock to Chicago. These guys hear new things and change their minds a thousand times.

  • Rene

    The reason that I’ll Will will be traded is not because he’s not a good three,it’s because exactly what Dylan said Gallo is starting and playing the three and the KNicks feel they need a guy with a better handle at the two and guess what I agree 100% we are going to run big time and to have a two with a good handle is a great asset running the break.I love the way the roster is being made ,it seems they did their homework good and plan B is a masterful and might turnout better than PLan A in the longrun.The Knicks only want Melo at this point and that is a very smart move.They are also heading in the right direction.

  • Rene

    I forgot they got his clone in Fields anyway.

  • HaS

    “If you disagree then you have to think he should be traded right?”

    Why “should he be traded” though? Not that he is untouchable by any means, but I don’t think he has to be traded. He’s playing behind a 5 time All-Star. It’s an indictment of his lack of skill that he would come off the bench.

    He’s not even old enough to drink until a few days from now, his upside is tremendous. His ceiling may be even higher than Gallinari’s.

    He’s shown flashes of a lot of different skills to the point where its hard to compare him to any one player.

    He could end up being somewhere between Garnett/Camby and a young Rashard Lewis or a taller Gerald Wallace.

    There’s absolutely no reason to part with him unless it’s to get Paul or Carmelo.

  • HaS

    it’s not an indictment**

  • gianthinker

    Still would like DW to look at Raja Bell and Josh Childress.

  • Knicks4life

    Would love to get Murphy in here as the starting center. The Knicks need rebounding help (Gallo and Amare are not good rebounders all) and Murphy can also hit a jumpshot which is what D’Antoni loves. Perfect fit.

    Randolph cannot play center. That would be a disaster.

  • HaS

    “oming back. oakley, starks, mason, anthiny, harper the cheaters are out. offense is in.”

    Dude, are you even a Knick fan?

  • Jack D

    dude shut. UP

    HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAhahahHAHAAHHA

  • Bloop33

    “So yea, let’s trade one of the Knicks better defenders for another outside shooter, that’s what we need.” -HaS

    LOL you’re a funny dude HaS. I do applaud your constant “cup half empty approach” to TKB discussions because you are at the very least, consistent.

    So I get this straight HaS…

    Troy Murphy is just “another outside shooter” right? forget the fact that he’s a very good rebounder (7th best last season). Last time I checked Defensive rebounding is a critical part of good DEFENSE in general no? I mean limiting opposing teams to the fewest shots down the court does help in winning games…and rebounding does that, right?. Notepads out!

    I mean I get this…and you seem to pride yourself as a defensive guru right? So why are you overlooking critical details for the sake of argument?

    Also you seemed to have had it out for _avi_ Lee as you affectionately call him each day…but even you must admit filling in his rebounding void with again A TOP TEN REBOUNDER and an expiring pact is not a bad move at all.

    You Hate Hate Hate on Lee but suggest Wilson Chandler would be more valuable than Troy Murphy??? Especially with Amar’e now on board? You are better than that HaS…I think.

    Am I again missing something? but isn’t Troy Murphy just a flat out better player than Wilson Chandler thus far in their careers?…and aren’t we in somewhat desperate need of a CENTER?

    Chandler really doesn’t fit in our future plans and the chances are slim that Indiana agrees to this sorta deal…sooo you may still have a little Will “The Thrill” in your life…at least until the trade deadline.

    Sorry for the smug sarcastic tone brotha, I’m just trying to keep up with you in here.

  • Ol Dirty 187

    haha foreal, this kids a clown…

    “offense is in”

    hahahaha

    lmfao, u really need to get off this blog…

  • clyne

    Trade Wilson, Gallo, Curry and 2011 1st round for Melo.

    Start Felton/Azu/Melo/Randolph/Amare
    Bench Walker/Douglas/Rautins/Fields/Jordan/Turiaf/ Big Russian

  • Jack D

    If Paul can stay healthy, he’s the best pg.

  • grahambo86

    It’s sad, isn’t it. I think we have the worst front office in all of sports! lol

  • Knicks4life

    But Prince is yet another SF. We don’t need that.

  • HaS

    Knicks “coaching” staff, where stupidity happens.

  • Bloop33

    Troy Murphy: 07-08 75 gms 08-09 73 gms
    09-10 72 gms avg bout 33 minutes per.

    Not bad and certainly not as bad as you’re making it out to be.

    Wilson Chandler played 65 gms last season at about 35 minutes per

    Just sayin

  • bartnyk

    Anyone that thinks Bill Walker is better than Chandler is NUTS.

    Fields looks better than Walker

    Andy looks like a waste of a draft pick when we could have gotten EBanks.

    WHY isn’t Garcia playing??

    Douglas will end up better than Felton this year.

  • Bloop33

    Unfortunately for you guys, the front office isn’t really feeling Will at the 2 spot.

    And again…”shooting big men” rarely finish the season 7th in rebounding. His shooting is a big bonus.

    Pick your poison…a bad rebounding team or another SF who apparently (according to reports) doesn;t fit in our future plans.

    Azubuike was brought in here for his perimeter D. They’re both kinda banged up right now so Kelena’s injury is a wash in this argument. I have to agree that Wilson’s D could be missed in certain instances, but along with defense, REBOUNDING also wins games…and Murphy gives you that.

  • Knicks4life

    Yo Son, I agree with you that people on this blog overrate Gallo and it is annoying and frustrating. I thought it was ridiculous the way people here were saying that stars like Lebron, Melo and Dirk (two of which were free agents this summer) would come to NY beause of Gallo. Gallo’s game has a ton of flaws and his back injury is a huge deal.

    That being said, if Gallo stays healthy he has tremendous upside. He is a great shooter and his defense is much improved. Given who our coach is, he also fits in perfectly with this offense. Hopefully, now that he is two seasons in, D’Antoni will allow Gallo more freedom in the offense and he will be our second option offensively behind Amare. Hopefully, with a real PG now we will also see more of Gallo’s potential. But he is not trash. Just inconsistent.

  • Knicks4life

    Felton is our second best player not Randolph.

    Randolph has showed flashes but let’s be realistic about where he is. What was he averaging 9pts per game or something.

    As far as him being the second most “talented” player on our roster we shall see. His maturity really concerns me alot. I think Gallo will end up being the better player.

    By the way no way Randolph starts next year, especially at center, unless we make a big time trade.

  • Knicks4life

    Paul. He is the better overall player when healthy and is more capable of putting a team like the Knicks, with no other star other than Gallo on his back.

    However, in our system D Will is the better fit so if given the choice I’m pretty sure D’Antoni would prefer Williams.

  • Knicks4life

    * Other than Amare not Gallo.

  • Mucha

    Nederlands robbed

    It is what it is

    I don’t believe in conspiracy theories though

  • Mucha

    I would trade Wilson Chandler for Jerryd Bayless.

    We just need a talented shooting guard/scoring point guard.

  • DatNewYorker

    HELLLOOOO TKB STAFF!!! YOU GUYS STINK WHERE IS TOMMY DEE? THE LAST BLOG WAS AT 1115 AM. CAN U PUT SOMETHING UP ON THE BOARD? GOT A COUPLE OF TOPICS FOR YOU.

    1 SUMMER LEAGUE GAME DENVER VS KNICKS

    2 GEORGE KARL’S MOUTH WAS BLEEDING WHEN HE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED AT THE GAME.

    3 TONY DOUGLAS HAD A PRETTY GOOD GAME.

    GIVE ME SOMETHING OR CUT TOMMY DEE’S VACATION SHORT

  • HaS

    “if we get melo and keep Gallo, IMO amare will slide to C, and have melo play PF and play a lot of Zone D.”

    You are probably right considering who the “coach” is, but if they want to win games and not just “play an entertaining style” (which seems to be more important to some of the NY fans these days) then he’d send Gallinari to the bench obviously.

    However, if the Knicks have any chance to get Carmelo before the offseason when he’s a free agent, Gallinari is more than likely in that trade.

  • HaS

    Splitting the comments section into different pages might have sounded like a good idea, but…

  • Knicks4life

    Jordan doesn’t look good at all but he is a very “raw” rookie.

    Don’t expect much from him for at least two years. Think DeAndre Jordan.

  • BiggieSmalls

    no we have to see YO SON post the same stuff multiple times.

  • bartnyk

    Why? we signed Felton for 3yrs

  • Knicks4life

    Offense is in.

    But defense wins championships.

  • Melo2NYplz

    i still dont see why we couldnt draft Lance Stephenson or Devin Ebanks

    i like what Donnie is doing this summer but i still cant get over the fuccin draft

  • JeffM729

    Fields and Rautins looked OK today, but I still think that getting Ebanks and Stephenson would have been much better. At the very least, Ebanks is a lock down defender and Stephenson is only 19 with room to grow.

    After the draft, the party line was Rautins and Fields were mature and NBA ready, so they could play with LeBron and Bosh. They didn’t look NBA ready to me today, though it’s game one. Fields actually would be a nice second unit hustle guy. But they are old and what you see is what you get. Ebanks and Stephenson look like possible NBA starters, which Rautins and Fields will never be.

    Bill Walker was very disappointing. He is just a foul machine, 9 fouls in 28 minutes today. His career stats at 36 minutes are 4.9 fouls. He should be dominating in the summer league. Jordan had 6 fouls in 13 minutes and was undistinguished.

    Defensively the summer Knicks were much like their big brothers, allowing Denver to shoot 56% and sent Denver to line 50 times.

  • JeffM729

    Here’s a link to the Denver-Knick game today. Players are allowed 10 fouls, FYI.

    http://www.nba.com/summerleague/games/20100711/NYKDEN/gameinfo.html

  • AlbanyKnick

    I tried to watch the game today, but between the announcers not watching it or telling me who was on the court to the officials blowing the whistle on EVERY SINGLE PLAY, it was unwatchable. Bill Walker was shooting too much. The Knicks are in trouble at SG.

  • Bloop33

    But Wilson is about as exciting as watching Twilight 2 with my girl last week as my birthday present to her…I almost didn’t make it.

    He could fit in the “wonder bread” scheme Indiana employs perfectly.

  • Knicks4life

    I am really not impressed with Bill Walker. Some here have him starting, I don’t even see him being in the rotation.

    Rautins may be a sleeper at the SG spot. Since he can play the 1/2 he can fit in nicely in D’Antoni’s seven man rotation. He is also a nice shooter which D’Antoni loves.

    I really hate our offense. Just three point jack after three point jack. I hope it is the lack of a real PG and this isn’t what our system will continue to look like.

  • Bloop33

    LOL lookin like the new captain of the Knicks with that hat on Amar’e. wooo thats a good look right there.

  • JeffM729

    It didn’t help that Toney Douglas was totally outplayed by Ty Lawson. This isn’t a knock on TD, Lawson is for real. He was easily the best player on the court. Denver had a bunch of nobodies out there with him.

    And I forgot to mention Bill Walker had 7 turnovers along with his 9 fouls. They interviewed Don Nelson and he didn’t talk about Azubuike initially, but when asked said “if he can come back from his surgery.” He had surgery on both knees. He was raving about Turiaf, saying he was great on court and locker room. Talked about his shot blocking as well.

  • KnickFan4Life

    I don’t love that Murphy trade. I also don’t love that Peja one. I would wait a little…

  • Bloop33

    YO SON, the Miami “Dream Girls” need their nails done and someone to throw 20 bills at for an hour or two. Your flight leaves in an hour, so hop to it SON.

  • Dylan

    I thought that Douglas, Fields, and Rautins looked really good today. I didn’t see anything from Douglas that makes me think he is an NBA PG, but he can score at will. He should be a great combo guard off the bench. Rautins is pretty much what I thought he was. I was impressed with his aggressiveness on the defensive end though. Fields is going to contribute. He has a good all around game, and he is a very smart player. Even in one summer league game, you could see that he knew what he was doing. I think Fields could end up being a huge steal.

    Jerome Jordan maybe be good some day, but he has a long way to go. Some of us thought that he could possibily contribute this year, but I don’t see that happening. He is VERY raw. He looked completely lost on defense, and didn’t do much offensively either. I think he spends this year in the D-league. Walker wasn’t impressive at all either, but I still think he will be a good player for us. He looked very out of control, had a terrible shot selection, and was way too aggressive on defense. I thought he would have success attacking the rim, but that didn’t seem to be the case. He will contribute to the team this year though.

  • Bloop33

    D Will does give it to CP3 on a reg tho. Toss up. I’d take D Will tho by a hair.

  • Bloop33

    Dwill isn’t down with Bron like that, so thats also a bonus. DWill

  • Bloop33

    Funny stuff HaS really funny.

    Witty too.

  • bartnyk

    Summer league is cute but unless we get Carmelo and CP3 we’re not going anywhere anytime soon I hate to say it but MIA will dominate the NBA.

  • HATEHEAT

    I didn’t bother to read this clown’s second post. Somebody let me know if I should go back and do so.

  • gianthinker

    I have to disagree with you guys. I think what Walsh was able to do with our cap was nothing short of amazing. He also delivered a top talent in the NBA in Amare, no matter what you think of him. Obviously, Lebron not coming to NY can’t be blamed on DW. The choice to sign here is up to the players. That being said, although at the time D’Antoni was looked at as a top NBA coach his reluctance to hire a top notch defensive coach makes his style far too flawed. Honestly though I believe our ownership is far more flawed and to blame for our shortcomings than any decisions Donnie Walsh has made.

  • Bloop33

    10+ years of dark Knick days has turned half our fan base into constant whiners and cynical unintelligent sounding complainers. Long gone is the hopeless optimism and never say die Knick fans who call a spade a spade with good reason.

    Nowadays everyones a little Peter Vescey wrapped in a Frank Isola with a side order of Marc Berman.

    Nauseating

  • HATEHEAT

    I like White people more than any other type of people, except for Filipino people, oh and people from Martinique, so yes Gallo is my favorite Knick (now that David is gone). And yes i think he is is un-tradeable, because, well, let’s be honest, there are too many black people on the Knicks and in the NBA and we need to retain as many White people as possible. I mean, how many Indian people are in the league? Asians? Mexicans? (1 actually -Najera). I like to celebrate diversity at work and in the NBA. It’s no fun when the Board of Directors of my company doesn’t reflect the diverse city I live in and love. Neither is it any fun when the NBA looks like an NAACP convention. That’s why not only do I think we cannot get rid of Gallo, no matter what, but I think that Rautins and the Russian thug should be guaranteed at least 10 minutes of playing time every game.

    Gotta run to my community meeting, but need to strip my bed first.

  • Mucha

    Because we’ll have to resign Will next summer or let him leave for nothing to preserve our flexibility. We have enough forwards and there’s no talented center with a good contract on the market.

  • HATEHEAT

    Wilson Chandler is Black?
    I didn’t notice.
    I’m color blind.
    But I can still tell his handle is not very good.

  • gianthinker
  • HaS

    “Troy Murphy is just “another outside shooter” right? forget the fact that he’s a very good rebounder (7th best last season). Last time I checked Defensive rebounding is a critical part of good DEFENSE in general no? I mean limiting opposing teams to the fewest shots down the court does help in winning games…and rebounding does that, right?. Notepads out!”

    First of all I credited Troy Murphy as a great rebounder in another post, not “very good” as you just described him. I guess you missed that one, but I appreciate you being a fan. I guess you should get your “notepad” out if you’re going to attempt to pick apart my posts.

    As far as labeling him “just” another outside shooter, those are your words not mine. I never said he didn’t contribute anything else and like I said above I credited him for being a great rebounder.

    However, he’s pretty slow and doesn’t cover a lot of ground defensively enough to take up space or be a physical presence in the paint imho. If the team had a post player at the 4/5 he would be a great complimentary big man.

    Secondly, as far as who is the “better player” at this point in their careers, I wouldn’t necessarily give the nod to Murphy who is 30 and extremely soft. I personally don’t consider him a center, but maybe _’antoni does.

    Also to be clear “brotha”, I’m not emotionally or sentimentally attached to anyone on this roster including, as you affectionately referred to him, “Will The Thrill” or whoever else. If they can fetch someone who can give the team a well rounded and talented roster I’m all for trading anyone. I guess I’m just not as enamored with Troy Murphy as you are.

    “Sorry for the smug sarcastic tone brotha, I’m just trying to keep up with you in here.”

    No worries holmes, keep trying.

  • bartnyk

    We suck period this team is not a lock for the playoffs we need to make a huge trade for Paul or Melo.

    Or we will be irrelevant AGAIN.

  • HaS

    Thanks man.

    Always nice to gain a new fan. 8)

  • HaS

    BTW the comment was referring to the Summer League staff who didn’t tell Toney Douglas to give Ty Lawson a step or 2 instead of pressuring him and getting beat off the dribble where he was just picking apart the team offensively.

    Just in case you’re still “trying to keep up”.

  • statcity

    We have NOTHING to trade for Melo of Paul. We over value are young players. They need to develope before they have any real value. Free agency just started and all you guys are jumping ship. Why not just go across the bridge and be a net fan. We get no respect as a franchise not only because of our front office but because are fans are ridiculous. Never happy with anything. Everyone crys thatl we trade all our picks away but then everyone wants to trade the picks we do have. The nuggets and hornets WILL NOT trade Melo or Paul to us for a bag of balls. Regular season starts in october. Why don’t you wait till then before you start jumping ship. Why not follow the queen down to south beach.

  • Knicks4life

    And you are complaining about the complainers. How about that for a little dose of irony.

  • bartnyk

    If you don’t like the truth don’t read my post but it’s fact MIA will be at the top of the East and we will be fighting for the 7th or 8th seed.

  • Knicks4life

    Don’t know what the defensive scheme is/was but I was thinking Toney was supposed to be getting help that wasn’t coming/rotating over. That is why he ended up looking so bad.

    Could be wrong though, but otherwise it made no sense to push up on Lawson like that.

  • statcity

    It’s a process. It takes time. If we make the playoffs at the 7 or 8 it’s a improvement. I thought that’s what we all want. Forget about Miami. That whole situation is just one of the most F@%KED up things I have ever seen in sports. We need to deal with the fact we are not competing with Miami. We have a whole new team. Let’s see what they got then rip them apart.

  • Knicks4life

    “We get no respect as a franchise not only because of our front office but because are fans are ridiculous. Never happy with anything.”

    The fans are the best thing about this franchise the past 10 years. Every executive, player, and team president will tell you that. The passionate fan base, that shows up no matter what, is the only thing that is good about this organization the past ten years. It is actually a shame that we have not had a competent front office to compliment the passionate fan base.

    “Everyone crys thatl we trade all our picks away but then everyone wants to trade the picks we do have. The nuggets and hornets WILL NOT trade Melo or Paul to us for a bag of balls.”

    I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I for one don’t want us to trade away any more draft picks. But to be clear, my opposition to the trade was trading draft picks for cap space or career losers like Curry, Crawford, etc. I have no problem trading a pick for a legit superstar in Carmelo or Paul who have led their teams to the playoffs.

    You newbies are funny man. I read some of your comments and wonder if you guys really know basketball or are just making comments to provoke arguments. Like HateHeat saying we need more white people on the Knicks so we shouldn’t trade Gallo. Sarcastic or not, its just pure stupidity that isn’t even funny or witty. Cmon guys, step your blog game up. Show that you know/understand the game before you call other people out and say things like:

    “Why don’t you wait till then before you start jumping ship. Why not follow the queen down to south beach.”

  • Bloop33

    Better served than constant bitching about the front office Ad nauseam. There is such a thing as being overly critical. I just notice with SOME people on here, thats all they know how to do.

    All I’m sayin dude.

  • Dylan

    alanhahn:
    Wilson Chandler told me he passed a manditory drug test by NBA after his May arrest for possession. He wasn’t smoking pot, but friend was.

  • mustarda

    lmao

  • Armand27

    You guys are all blind…

    Are we ready to compete with Miami?

    No, of course not..

    But we are on the right path.

    And Miami isn’t winning anyway.

    Magic are better

    C’s are better

    Hell, even the Bulls may be better.

  • nativenewyorker

    Thank you Statcity. I am not going down this happy path dreamworld anymore. I remember the old days when we rooted for and loved our team, instead of planning for the day when we trade them all for a superstar.

    This new thinking started with the Lebron romance, where, as knick fan, I couldn’t even become attached to the players, since I knew they were only rented.

    Let’s just embrace the guys that we have, and when we have an opportunity to improve, we evaluate it.

  • Bloop33

    I am a fan HaS. Huge

    I am such a fan HaS, Ya know…I might just ask Tommy Dee if I too can drop by the TKB SNY studio in a wrinkly pink button up and complain bout D’antoni for 5 mins.

    Yeah I should.

    Ya know I might leave that one to the pros ;)

  • Bloop33

    Pro’s, Summer League, Little League, “A League of their own”

    I’m sure you have gripes with all of their front office moves dude.

    I’m just saying man, learn another tune.

  • Melo is coming

    This is the 1st freakin summer league game and folks are already acting like all of the new guys will be scrubs. I know NY fans expect more from there teams but it is a little premature to start haging these guys already.
    TD looked good but looks like he will never be a pure pg. He plays good D and can score. Walker hada terrible game but at least he is in shape. He probably will never be much more than a role player but he should be able to contribute. Fields looked good and Rautins made some shots but all these guys need to improve in many areas. Jordan is a project but what do you expect from 2nd rd pcks?

  • bartnyk

    We tend to get overly analytical on this blog but basketball isn’t, if you have a good team you win, if you have a bad team you don’t, I wouldn’t go so far as to say we have a bad team BUT we’re not competing for a tittle and that should be the goal every season.

    I just hope there’s a trade in the works to get some real players in here franchise players, game changers.

  • Dylan

    We haven’t had a winning season in 10 years, and people are seriously complaining about us potentially being a 7th or 8th seed? Wow… I woudl be very happy with a winning season and a playoff berth. Our team is VERY young. The Knicks just need to try and improve every season. It takes time to create a serious contender. It isn’t just a win year process.

  • HaS

    LOL

    Riiiight.

    The shirt was a red gingham pattern for the record.

    I guess your comprehension skills are as bad as your vision because I didn’t spend 5 mins “complain(ing) bout D’antoni” and merely answered a few questions from Tommy, but thanks for watching. 8)

  • choggs

    Get over it. whoever we got at 38 and 39 wouldn’t crack the 8-9 man rotation MD throws. I’d rather have andy and fields cheering from the bench and contribute in practice than have Lance “born ready” complain about PT and sulking all season.

  • Sharp Elbow

    Worst front office? DW has had a real nice summer. What’s your great plan? I get tired of people complaining when they don’t have any ideas of there own, besides one sided impossible trades that will never happen.

    Our team should be alot of fun next year to watch, and you will be watching if your a true Knick fan. When Felton delivers a nice pass for an A’mare dunk, give it up for old DW.

  • Mucha

    Agreed

  • bluemax

    The Mia experiment is going to be interesting. They have 3 of the 5 starters of the olympic redeem team. So he would seem preordained that they will play that particular brand of Small Ball.

    it’s ironic because MD (whom most of you dislike with a passion)was a big influence on that coaching staff and that particular type of BBall.

    Anybody who watched the Spain-USA and argentina-USA games can pretty much figure out how you defeat that kind of team.

    Just go with a big/bigger front line, slow the tempo down to a half court game and post up the smaller line up. This what Spain did with the gasol brothers and argentina did with scola/nocioni. Both team nanaged to compete even though they had nowhere the talent level.

    And of course, zone up on defense to take advantage of the weak 3 pt shooting (despite the addition of Mike Miller).

    BTW I have just described the LA game.

    MIA will probably win the east only because the C’s are just getting old. But they will have a very hard time against LA if both Bynum and gasol are healthy.

  • bluemax

    THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!!!!!!!

    So who are the chickens.

  • thebossandbenji76

    well guys, if the plan is Melo in 2011 and paul in 2012, then dolan has to leave walsh alone and let him conduct his plan. Knicks have 3 expiring deals in curry, chandler and Azubuke. U let them 3 go, u can make a run at Anthony. In 2012, u will have 4 expiring deals in Randolph, gallo, Felton and walker. u let them go, u can make a run at paul.

  • thebossandbenji76

    well guys, if the plan is Melo in 2011 and paul in 2012, then dolan has to leave walsh alone and let him conduct his plan. Knicks have 3 expiring deals in curry, chandler and Azubuke. U let them 3 go, u can make a run at Anthony. In 2012, u will have 4 expiring deals in Randolph, gallo, Felton and walker. u let them go, u can make a run at paul.

    Paul, Anthony and Amare could create a lot of problems for the Heat big 3. :)

  • Rene

    I love I’ll Will and I like Bayless but they would get the best of that deal,I would keep unless it’s Rubio or Melo.We can sign him to a cheap ectension.

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  • Joe-V

    Murphy is TRASH! Straight Up Trash, and so is Dunleavy… YOu ever notice Indy and Utah always keep players like this on they’re roster U-Know what I’m saying….

    Utah 9th Pick – Gordan Hayward