Everyone’s Available

Stop the rampant speculation! This Tommy Dee guy is a real sucker if you ask me. The Knicks just signed Felton, how are they going after Paul…please explain.

are you being serious?

NYT: “Paul’s Landing With Knicks Soon Unlikely”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/sports/basketball/23knicks.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Thanks god for all these rumors, I would hate to have to talk about our actual team.

Once Paul selects a team, at least we can go back to talking about Carmelo.

Trade

And I don’t see anywhere in the statement that says “the Knicks cannot trade any of the recently acquired Golden State players”. It just says they can’t be traded together.

+1

Indeed.

I don’t know why all these owners placate to these star players and their demands and “plans” to play w superstars.

The owners could have stopped the LeBron fiasco by placing one phone call to him and asking “are you coming here or not, if you don’t tell me yes I am moving on” Then releasing a public statement that LeBron isn’t coming to their team. No ridiculous “decision” show, no endless speculation on tv. These owners need to realize they are OWNERS of the team, not the players.

I think the Hornets fan base would respect ownership more if they said “you are under contract for 2 years, if you don’t like it there’s a spot for you on the bench.”

I don’t know about others, but I’m not sold on Tony Parker. Chris Paul is a clear upgrade over Felton. But if Felton plays well this year, I think our money would be better spent on another piece if we don’t get Paul. I just worry about what happens to Parker when he loses a step.

The free agent rumors never end! Sigh

Lets move forward with the team we currently have in place.

Contenders aren’t built overnight, and you don’t recover

from 10 years of mismanagement overnight. We’ll give up all our pieces and another draft pick for this guy. Screw that.

Because Paul wasn’t available when they signed Felton. Paul is one of the best players in the league. They would be stupid to say “oh we have felton we dont need Paul”. If the Knicks got Paul theyd be at the top of the League. I think they could possibly be better than the heat bc they don’t have anyone to stop the point and bosh is too much of a girl to stop amar’e.

This story is ridiculous in the first place. Tell me what team executive is going to make a public statement that “everyone except Amare is available in a trade.” How exactly do you maintain any bargaining power when the Hornets already know you are willing to deal anyone.

Hornets: “We would like 2 of the following 3, Gallo, Randolph, and Chandler”

Knicks: “Oh I’m sorry, we aren’t willing to trade some of those guys”

Hornets: “That’s funny, I read on Knicksblog that everyone’s available, are you telling me that Knicksblog is inaccurate??”

+1 Bosh is a gurl

Crazy enough as this sounds, Paul and Felton could play together in this system. It would be tough, because neither is a great 3pt shooter, but both are amazing at moving the ball and being in the right spot on the court at the right time. They would have to keep Gallo and play Amare at Center so they could spread the floor and have enough spacing to make the offense work but they could run the pick and roll from anywhere on the floor with the two of them at the same time. They could also get out on the break at any opportuntity from either side of the floor (if we can get a rebound which may be our biggest problem anyway).

The problem would be defensively. The Knicks would be very small with Paul and Felton and D’Antnoni doesn’t play a traditional center. For half a season I think they try it and if it doesn’t work out they try to move Felton for a SG.

No way you pass on Paul, if he is a viable option though. Which I very seriously doubt.

Knicksblog says alot of things but in fairness this one came from the NY Post, another excellent source of journalism.

I want to know how Tony Parker is a lock for next year?

you didn’t follow the link for the Parker story?? its linked to Tommy’s statement on his Twitter account, that’s as reliable as it gets.

The Knicks have to stop being desperate and start dealing from strength. Right now, they should stand pat and go into the season with the team they have. Stop all this drama-queen speculation on trades for the next NY “saviour”.

You really can’t fault Tommy. He has a Blog to run and as you can see by all the comments, he’s doing a pretty good job.

Here is why I doubt Paul will really be available after Monday (from the same NY Post article):

“Big Easy source said the flak from the Hornets’ season-ticket holders was immense when reports first surfaced last month the team could trade its franchise player this summer.”

i’m afrain Tommy opened Pandora’s box when he started all the LeBron coverage back when. This is becoming “TheRumorBlog”

I don’t know who wants to read endless threads of people’s ESPN trademachine ideas.

“I know this makes zero sense for any team involved other than the Knicks, but look what I did on trade machine, we get Melo and Paul, and it fits!!!”

Hahaha

hold your horses.
something smells.
and it is media hype.
hope donnie continues his winning streak.
you always tell shooters.
let it come to you.
so now.
no reason to gut the team for a rock star.
then what happens once he is unhappy here?
coach next, player x,y,z next.
we want to give the assets a chance to make a difference. that’s how we are.
look what donnie got when he was patient and let the david l. situation play itself out to the end.
now we have assests so we are part of every conversation (yes there is risk, too-this group must win games).
certainly a tough balancing act.
recall what miami did FIRST once they had the big 3. they went for a shooter (i.e. gallinari). can’t win w/out it. we should also give felton a chace to lead, as he has skills and may rise-after all, at one point clyde was just #52 from so. illinois.
be patient donnie. let it come to you.

@ NY’s not 4 thr weak

Hating on Tommy Deez for his opinion on an obvious trade rumor involving us is retarded.

This is how you trade for Paul ewings_flat top fade…

We’re gonna send the Hornets these things called “players”

still with me?

They in turn send us a “player” or “players”

Blam!! CP3 on the Knicks.

People should be happy really good players wanna come here now more than ever, or so it seems.

We are relevant again.

The Knicks must keep either Gallinari or Chandler – but I think Gallo’s more valuable than Chandler with Paul and Stoudemire.

Tommy just posted something from the NY Post. How can he be be a sucker because of that? It’s CP3, we find a way, any way…

Who would you like to see as the starters with the team we have now?

Sure why not.
I personally can’t believe that some knick fans see that we actually have a shot at CP3 but don’t want him. That’s Crazy.

“let it come to you”

Exactly. When you negotiate for something that you must have, the other side usually wins. If New Orleans is not looking to trade CP3, and New York has to have him, New York will probably get screwed.

I think that it is also in the best interest of the Knicks to see how CP3 performs on his knee, how Felton performs in the Knicks system, and how much improved other Knicks are before inking a deal.

Am I the only one who is concerned that Gallo, Randolph and Chandler all play the same position SFs who can play some PF. Not to mention Amare is also a natural PF. Eventually one or even two of them are going to have to be traded anyway.

Of the three, Gallo’s ability to spread the floor is what actually makes him the most valuable in this system IMO, even though he may not be the best player of the three. But it comes down to what NO wants. I think the Knicks would be fine with offering two of the three of Gallo, Randolph and Chandler.

I’m sure it is a good team strengthening tool to tell all your young and newly aquired players “you guys are all available in trades” before you even start the season.

We just went through a decade where we had guys on the court who knew they had no future w our team and usually mailed it in. Why are we starting off this new era in the same fashion. No player is going to buy into your team and give 100% if he knows he could be gone tomorrow.

I want the Knicks to get CP3, but I think that if we can wait a few months, we’ll be in a better negotiating position.

is there any possible way we can trade for Paul and still have room for Melo next year?

Hopefully it’s Randolph and Chandler, Gallinari with Paul and Stat would be pretty good.

Agreed but suppose he is traded elsewhere? We lose out on the best PG in the league

But I agree at the trade deadline we can offer Felton and Randolph to get the deal done.

This is why (I think) management will do anything in its power not to get hosed in a trade. We aren’t in desperate need of a PG and should feel very good about our chances at getting Carmelo next summer. I don’t think they’ll sell the farm on this deal.

I could be dead wrong tho.

Depends.

If eddy curry is involved in the deal, and our we take back okafur no we cannot sign him OUTRIGHT. We can still pull a sign and trade deal, but the salaries we take back would have to be close. If we get cp3 I expect Felton to be traded at the deadline for an expiring contract, which gives us more room to sign him.

If we keep curry we still can sign him outright.

I sure hope management plays this one smart.

I hope you were being sarcastic about the Post being anything excellent lol. Try the Dailynews.

Tony’s a lock dude, it makes perfect sense in the same way it makes perfect sense for Melo, minus the hometown thing. New York is like every foreigners second home town in America, so yeah I’d say Tony’s pretty much a lock if we indeed want him.

Good! Everyone should be available. The Knicks should do anything possible to get CP3. Obviously I would like to hold onto Gallo or Randolph, but I would definitely give them both up if thats what it takes. CP3 will be a legit MVP candidate every year in this offense. He is that good!

Some of you on here crack me up. Complaining because Tommy talks about acquiring CP3 when there are a lot of reports saying he wants out and that NY is his preferred destination. Or because you feel sorry for some of the guys that will be traded away just because they are new to the team.

Newsflash, the moment you stop upgrading the roster is the moment you find yourself either looking for a job or fighting for a Top 3 pick in the draft.

That’s why they won’t do it this summer. They’ll wait for the trade deadline, when we can also send them Felton.

You can do it like this.
Curry and randolph for Paul
then a day later azuibuike for cash/player to be named later (brackins).

This is the New York Knicks Blog lol.

If any blog is gonna be chock full of rumors, its gonna be ours. This is NY.

I’m happy with this because arguably the best PG in the league has us atop his list of teams he’d like to play for.

Regardless of what transpires, this is good.

But the three team NO/Denver/NY Trade Machine posts have to stop lol.

I think giving up Gallo and AR is a bit much. He needs more then just Amar’e to help out. If we give up too much then how is he in a better situation than in NOLA?

You don’t wait. If he wants out now and can be had, you move in.

i agree let’s stick with what we got now, no reason to jump the gun and lose all our future star potential and/or really solid role players.

i mean who wouldn’t want CP3 on their team. but 2 issues… let’s see how his knees hold up if he has the same quickness and explosiveness this season. and second is d-will a better fit ultimately? better outside shot and more of that ny toughness and grit.

if we are patient and save room for melo next year and then keep ourselves in the running for CP3/DWill the following year we could build a monster team and still have gallo, AR and others.

DWill, Melo, and Amare… 3 superstars who are tough, unlike those soft drama queens in south beach. and much better role players surrounding them. with that team in place miami would not make it past the conference finals for a decade. ahahaha making lecon’s decision blow up in his face.

Was that a sonnet?

+1

Hasheem thabeet also has potentitial
Paul is a proven allstar and the beat PG in the league.

I think that Paul, Azubuike, Chandler, Amare, Turiaf is a pretty good team. Also, Paul makes the players around him much better, so I think we would see a much better version of Chandler. He would obviously need to step up though in order for the Knicks to contend this year. I think he could definitely be a good 3rd option though.

I would be willing to give both up if it meant we didn’t have to take back Okafor.
We could play Chandler at the 3 for this season and then sign Melo as a FA.
If we have to take back Okafor then we only trade Gallo or AR.
I’m tempted to tell NO they can have any Three plus a 1st rd pick if we don’t have to take back Okafor:
Gallo, AR, Chandler, TD, Turiaf, Azubuike, any of our 2nd round picks

If we have to take back Okafor then they can have any two, but only AR or Gall, not both, + a 2nd rd pick.

It’s a lot to give up, but it will be worth it.

That hornets team is in desperate need of some serious athleticism and would be wise to pounce on a Chandler/Randolph combo or another deal centered around Randolph. That Hornet front line is lumbering to say the least.

If I were them I wouldn’t even want Gallo and his back issues at all.

Its inevitable the Hornets, like every other team put in these situations by upstanding, good team guys like Paul (which is ironic here) teams always end up getting a bag of balls and some young guy that turns into something a little ways down the road. Maybe that guy could be Randolph for them.

I don’t think you can bank on someone coming in and making guys better. The players also have to want it and in watching Eddy Curry the past couple of years, it’s actually possible that some of them don’t want to be better.

I think you hold out Gallo as long as you possibly can. I also think AR would be a better fit for NOLA.

Gallo or AR, not both. If we have to take Okafor’s contract, then we keep both AR and Gallo.

Before this goes completely crazy and people start expecting Paul here…

Anyone ever consider this could just be another media ploy/publicity stunt at the expense of NYC???

Chris Paul did just sign with Lebron and Mavericks LMLR two weeks ago and is already with CAA and Leon Rose (like Lebron). And already there’s been a bunch of different rumors over the past couple weeks–hes staying, hes not, he likes this team and that, no, wait this team now–and just like with Lebron, the idiot Broussard seems to be the messenger.

If Maverick and LMLR didnt just send their biggest fish to NYC, what makes you all think they’d send their newest prize client???

This reeks of BS. Not buying it. Whatever Knicks fans want to get wrapped up in this thing is fine, but I’m saving myself from the disapppointment now and enjoying our team as is.

So just so I am 100% clear on this does this mean that we can trade anyone on the roster even people we just signed this offseason? Including hypothetically Amare. We don’t have to wait until December? I’m really confused…

+ Deuce

I would give up 2 out of 3 between Gallo, Randolph, and Chandler (but I would try to sell them on Randolph/Gallo and Chandler instead of Randolph and Gallo. The good thing is that I think they could all start at SF. Gallo probably helps us the most this year, but I think Randolph probably has the most potential. Either way, it would leave us with a potential lineup of:

Paul
Felton/Azubuike
Gallo/Randolph/Chandler
Amare
Turiaf/Curry/Mosgov

Hopefully we could include Curry in the deal. I’m not sure that NO necessarily wouldn’t take him. By trading Paul, they are pretty much admitting that they are rebuilding. Curry could be traded at the deadline for picks and/or young players, or they could just let his contract expire.

I have hard time believing NOLA would trade away CP3 without sending Okafor as well. It just wouldn’t make sense for them to do that. This is really their one shot at unloading Okafor for a few years and in order to rebuild, you need the cap space.

Maybe they do trade CP3 without Okafor, it’s possible, I personally think that’s bad business.

thabeet looks lost and clueless out there… please don’t compare him to gallo and randolph.

yea paul was the best pg in the league before he tore his knee. is he still the best? maybe so. he played 7 games late in the season before tearing a ligament in his finger and he didn’t exactly set the bball world on fire during that brief stint. maybe trade for him at the deadline but let’s see how he plays before we just decide to make everyone on the roster available. 6’0 players in the nba sorta really on quickness.

if we take time to develop our players and keep flexibility to sign melo and then one of the elite pg’s the following year we will have a much better product in the long run.

+1

Amazing how far we have come since July 1st. Signed a super stare in Amare’ a very good Raymond Felton with a reasonable contract. Got a potential and 2 servicable players for David Lee who was not in our future. And now we can wish Donnie Walsh can bring us Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony. Hasn’t been this much fun in a long, long time. Keep up the good reporting Tommy.

What if CP3′s knee never gets back to 100%? What if Felton puts up much better numbers now that’s he’s free from Larry Brown and his trade value goes up? I’d like to know these things before we make a trade so that we get the best value.

I think that you can bank on CP3 making guys better, just like Nash makes everyone around him better. Just by being on the court he makes them better, because of his ability to spread the court, his accurate passing, and his ability to shoot the ball. Teams won’t be able to key in on guys like Chandler, Randolph, Gallo, Azubuike, etc. When I say he makes them better, I don’t mean that they all suddenly become more skilled and elevated their game. I mean that teams won’t be able to focus in on them, which will make the game easier for them.

I also agree that Randolph is a better fit. They need athleticism more than they need a shooter.

randolph, turiaf, and douglas
can we send money their way in a trade scenario?

and i would include chandler if it was a deal breaker.

did no hw to see if a trade like that can go through.

+! man

Honestly guys, at first i was all up for trading randolph over gallo but randy would be a great asset especially that he has amare to learn from. and frankly the only thing gallo has over randy is his three point. Give up the italian hes not that great.

I pretty much agree with all of that. I would be willing to give up Gallo and AR, but not if we take Okafor’s contract back. If we do, we need to keep Gallo or AR so they can become our #3 scoring option.

That could work much better for us. If Felton’s numbers improve now that he’s free from Larry Brown, his trade value jumps up. Something like Felton+Chandler+Turiaf for CP3 wouldn’t be so far fetched then, but impossible now.

Either way randy and/or gallo is probably half way out the door

“But it comes down to what NO wants. I think the Knicks would be fine with offering two of the three of Gallo, Randolph and Chandler”

Yeah but not if Randolph is guy the have to keep IMO.

One things clear, you really think these “Team Members” are calling all the shots like some illuminati scheme or something lol.

I’m not surprised NY is becoming AGAIN (like it always was IMO) a preferred destination for players of all sports. Its the biggest challenge with the biggest reward. Worked well for Derrick Jeter and Arod right? Eli Manning? even one of the best soccer players in the world just chose it as his new place to play.

I’m not saying anything profound here, just stating the obvious.

Londrege, you seem really jaded by the whole free agent frenzy that just passed. You should step back and assess the damage a little differently IMHO.

The Knicks are officially back homie and this is just the beginning of what’s to come.

“and frankly the only thing gallo has over randy is his three point”

No.

Wade had shoulder and knee problems also yet we all wanted him.

Thabeet was the second overall pick. Gallo and Randolph weren’t top 5.

You cannot deal Amar’e, Felton, or Mozgov till Dec 15th.

Write that down.

Explain

word.

This time we actually have talent people would want to play with so it’s different.

You also cannot package the players in the GS trade, unless you do deperate deals.

Randy has better defense, inside presence, better ball handle, more athletic and i can go on and one thing i forgot to credit gallo on is his IG it may by higher than randys as well….Correct me if im wrong

We can’t trade Amar’e, Felton or Mozgov until December 15th.

IQ**

I think Gallo is better at shooting in general, not just 3-point shooting. I think he is also a better passer, is more consistent with his game, and right now is a more complete player. I agree with you for the most part though. IF Randolph develops a jump shot and an outside shot, he will be much better than Gallo. He is WAY more athletic and has all the skills to become a great player. Its just a matter of his growing into his body, working on his shot, and putting in the overall effort.

+2
Finally someone gets it.

BBall IQ, finesse (tho randolph has some), passing abilty, smarter defender, more polished game, fundamentals (see IQ), court savvy, mid range game, free throw shooting. Obviously more coachable (see IQ again).

You now all the things you want in a baller aside from sheer athleticism.

Now you can certainly make the argument who’s might be better in the long run based on potential, but Gallo seems to be the more proven commodity at this point.

By the way, why would we sign Parker next year? Is he that much of an upgrade over Felton?

Great post Bobby, You are so right we have a good young team going into the season if new orleans decides to trade paul then we can get involved but i am happy with this team and feltons value will onle get better as he plays well in this system, and Tommy has done a great job keeping us all informed, Thanks to all the bloggers and all of us followers this is a great place for a knicks fan

yea and darko was also the 2nd overall pick in 2003 ahead of wade and bosh… what’s your point?

Oh and confidence, and that goes a long long way in the NBA knickaplease33 (like the name)

How much Randolph have you seen aside from tube clips?

…Here comes the old “I have NBA League pass answer”. lol

Very good point i stand corrected but with all that being said…would u rather keep gallo for randy? or send randy packing? i would hope they smart enough to keep 1 of them..

henry was best soccer player once upon a time. just like beckham… players from europe only come over here when their careers are winding down and they can make big bucks and still be relevant among the lesser talent over here.
not that it matters as far as the knicks situation, just saying…

I’m a big Anthony Randolph fan and a big Danilo Gallinari fan so I’m being fair :

Randolph :
- More athletic/explosive
- More aggressive
- Better ball-handler
- Better help-defender
- Better on the fast-break

Gallinari :
- Better shooter
- Better passer
- Higher basketball IQ
- Less turnover-prone
- More consistent
- More productive
- Probably more effective with 2 superstars

o0o and thanx for the comment but honestly i only seen him in a couple of games and tube clips..

AND You think this new GM at N.O will do that…pls get off the pipe. CP3 will come out and say he is staying put and that the GM told him that they still building around him. GM will say you have to wait or we will send you to Minnesota, hahaha..they still own his contract and i dont think he will sit out two years… so hold your horses he is not leaving until at least December 15th.

false. only applies to teams over the cap.

true

a smarter defender but a worse defender still, lol. everyone rides gallos nuts here. proven commodities don’t win championships, stars do. Randolph has super star potential, gallo does not, simple as that. also it’s a whole lot easier to find a sharp shooter. 6’11 freakish athletes that can handle the ball don’t come around very often.

Interesting points.

Their is a good chance that if we aqcuire CP3 we might have to take back Okafor’s bad contract eliminating our CAP flexibility- meaning no Melo!
If we stay patient, wait til next summer we might be able to obtain Melo and Parker.

So for debate- would we rather have CP3 and Amare; or Parker, Melo, and Amare

AR was playing Boris Yeltsin aka Don Nelson and never got the PT be consistent or productive, so giving points to gallo for that is a fallacy.

seriously the bottomline is AR has a higher ceiling and is a much harder player to replace.

no, especially since parker’s style of play will catch up to his body and he can’t shoot the 3.

I rather keep the roster as it is and wait to see how they play together. When Dec.15 comes around will see where we are and make decisions from there.

He also used to disappear and make mistakes. Don Nelson never gave him the benefit of the doubt and enough playing time to learn from his mistakes (and I’ve always criticized him for that) but Gallinari – even though he’s too passive on the road – has never been mistake-prone as much as Randolph.

Both players have a high ceiling – and Gallinari’s a much harder player to replace because we already have Stoudemire.

and if you wanna reach and give gallo lame bullet points like “probably more effective with 2 superstars” (based on what?)

then add more positional versatility to randolph’s list.
ability to do more than 1 thing really well.
best single game stat line.

gallo will never ever be a double double threat. period.

Gallo: “More consistent”

Huh?

They both had potential that never worked out.

I don’t understand the thinking there either.

Maybe they like the fact that Parker is a multiple champion?

E-Roc

“proven commodities don’t win championships, stars do.”

Now thats an oxymoron if I’ve ever seen one.

How do you become a “star” with out becoming a “proven commodity” first?

And as it stands currently Gallinari’s star is shining a hell of a lot brighter than Randolph’s, so lets keep it real here.

I absolutely think Gallo and Randolph can be stars in this league. And nobody would be surprised in here (especially not the guys who haven’t seen Randolph on a day to day basis, pretty much ALL OF US) if he comes to the Knicks and does the “immature potential act” a few more seasons till he “gets it”.

I’d be careful how you throw that “super star” tag around also. The way people use it gets more and more ridiculous every day, especially when in regards to NBA players.

And yes you can be a smart defender but lack the athleticism. Do you wanna argue who can avoid making the “stupid” foul on a consistent basis more thus far, Randolph or Gallo? cuz we can do that.

Lebron.

umm don nelson gave him plenty of opportunity = hell no. he was in his dog house and barely saw the light of day. when he did get a chance he started to produce freakish stat lines like 28 points, 13 rebs, 5 asts plus a steal and a block. gallo will never ever be capable of producing a stat line like that.
but anyway he was not well liked by don nelson and that’s why the team was willing to trade him and why many GSW fans are upset about it… at least on their team’s blog site.

and 2ndly AR is not the same kind of player as Amare. big man who is a freak athlete and can actually handle the ball and lead the fast break is not Amare. and since you claim Gallo is harder to replace, please name me a single player on the planet that has the size and skill set as AR? answer none. that’s why he is compared to a cross between garnett and odom but more athletic.

“thabeet looks lost and clueless out there… please don’t compare him to gallo and randolph.”

Thabeet is faster than Gallo.

It’s not that I think the Team Members are calling the shots, I just think these young kids are dumb enough to think that its a good idea to get their names out there by shooting all these rumors out for publicity’s sake and getting what they want.

Look at the Lebronathon…NYC, Chicago, NJ, the Clips, and Cleveland all got led on for months, or in NYC and Clevland’s case, years. Rumors were being spun left and right about where he was going, even though the 3 stooges probably had the Miami situation planned out for a while.

And, yes, I’ll admit, I am a bit jaded by the whole Lebron thing, but how can I not be? I attached my hopes for NYK to become relevant again to ONE person for 2 years. I watched 2 crappy seasons of bball and logged countless hours online following the Lebron hype and all it did was set me up for bigtime disappointment.

So if anything, I’m just being a little cautious and not buying into all the hype. And for all the DJ’s, Arods, and Eli’s, theres a bunch of Grant Hills, J-Kidd’s, and Lebrons who drop our name for leverage and dont come.

Not to mention that the NYK-Gmen-Yank comparison isnt exactly great since the Knicks have been the worst team in bball for the last ten years and havent won a ship since 1973, while the Gmen won in the early 90s and the Yanks are, well, the Yanks.

All I’m saying is that its better to be cautious at this point than buy into all the rumors and go nuts about it, chances are hes not coming to NYC and it could easily be a media stunt/attempt to gain leverage.

I’m with you Dylan! If by giving them Gallo and Randolph we dont have to take back Okafor u do it. Especially if we can also keep Curry’s contract cause then we will have the ability to go after Melo too. If we wait til the middle part of the season, which is probably what NO wants anyways, then Felton will be tradeable- Felton, Randolph, Gallo for CP3. Felton a solid starting PG with only a year and a half guarateed at that point, third year is team option. And high upside, great potential in 2 top 15 picks from a couple of years ago in Randolph and Gallo.

Looking at what Orlando, Dallas, Portland have to offer doesnt compare to this proposed deal. None of those teams have 2 high potential young players that are affordable to go along with their established PG. The deal we can give them wont lock them into any contracts long term either. Knicks can provide NO with affordable young talent with high upside- they are rebuilding- looking for youth, not established vets.

He’s still regarded as one of the best in the world albeit he’s older. Came in ranked 28th in the World according to ESPN’s world cup ranking for 2010 (argue that if you must, I don’t care)

28th in the world is still pretty damn good lol. dude rapes in fifa 2010 for the PS3 too.

Than you for shedding light on why and when Euro players choose to come play soccer in the USA. It like your nitpick on my comment, was very profound and much appreciated.

We’re much better off trading for CP3 on December 15th than we are trading for him now.

when AR got a chance to start in December he had 8 blocks his very first game starting. 8 BLOCKS!!! Gallo don’t carry that kind of presence. He is a 3 point shooter that everyone here touts and puts up on a pedestal as the next coming of Dirk.

i love the guy and his toughness. the game going back and forth in the win against melo and the nuggets was epic.

that’s why i’ve been saying this whole time to just wait and see what we got before we go trading these young dudes away. melo wants to be here, so does CP3 and DWill has not been quiet questioning Utah’s front office.

bottom line is guys, stars want to be here now. so we don’t need to mortgage the future to get them here now. we can be patient and build a better team than miami.

i’d love to see us add melo and cp3-or-dwill while keeping both gallo and AR.

but to say gallo will be a better player or is harder to replace is just blatant homerism.

Don’t forget rebounding and shot blocking.

Also, the “better passer” is unfounded imho the numbers don’t back it up.

+1

Good pt Russ!

Let’s bring the discussion here E-Roc :

1. “gallo will never ever be a double double threat. period”

So what? Have you been brainwashed by David Lee? Is Kobe Bryant a double-double threat?

2. “and if you wanna reach and give gallo lame bullet points like “probably more effective with 2 superstars” (based on what?)”

Based on the fact that Gallinari stretches the floor and gives Paul/Stoudemire more space to run the pick-and-roll. He’s more effective playing off-the-ball than Randolph.

3. “then add more positional versatility to randolph’s list”

Versatility? He’s not strong enough to play center and he’s not a good jumpshooter. Anthony Randolph is a power forward who can play shooting forward occasionally but Gallinari’s more verstatile right now because he’s tall enough to play PF a la Rashard Lewis and he’s skilled enough to play SF. He’s been reportedly working on his post-up game too.

By the way, I NEVER said Nelson gave him “plenty opportunity” you should read my post. I was probably the first guy on the internet (I’m not saying that I’m proud of it tho lol) to compare Randolph to Odom/Garnett. I made the comparison 2 years ago. And I KNOW that Nelson didn’t like Randolph. But Randolph IS very mistake-prone.

It’s not only about the numbers HaS.

Kobe Bryant – for example – is a GREAT passer but the numbers don’t back it up either.

Btw I assumed that “shot-blocking” = help defense. AR’s probably a better rebounded though, you’re right about that one.

“He is a 3 point shooter that everyone here touts and puts up on a pedestal as the next coming of Dirk”

Hahaha man nobody compared him to Dirk Nowitzki here. Maybe 1 or 2 guys did it but the vast majority believes that he’s a Rashard Lewis or a Detlef Schrempf.

“but to say gallo will be a better player or is harder to replace is just blatant homerism”

LMAO

Anthony Randolph is a Knick.

lol. The haters on here who come on and blast Gallo because he’s not Dirk Nowitzki are hilarious.

Lebron sucks because everyone talks about him like he’s Michael Jordan and he’s not. So he sucks. lol.

Wrong. AR is raw, unpolished, undisciplined, thin, does not have much presence and is fooling yas because all ya seen is highlights. He is good in flashes but years away from being a solid starter, if ever. I’ve seen him play 50+ time. Stop dreaming, he is not great and Gallo is far more valuable at this point and the Knix won’t trade Gallo. AR might be great in a few years, we shall see. He’s a bench player and as green as a rookie out of nowhere.

That’s about right. Hope we get to see them both all year, but I’d trade AR in a deal for Paul in a moment. Gallo just healed up and began to show that if he is healthy he can have a killer breakout year this year. His 3-pt shooting may become the best in the league.

Talk about Parker makes me queasy. He is on his downslide, has already won his rings, injury-prone and too old to build with….forget him. No more rent-an-over-the-hill-star!

Its your fault for choosing to attach your dreams of Knick relevancy to one player and one player only. Now you’re paying for it lol.

“In life there’s always a plan B”

…My grandfather told me that. Dude couldn’t afford to get a boat to America during WWII so he got on a boat en route to Canada worked, got to NY and sent money 4 months later for the rest of his family to come to NYC (yes I love telling that story lol)

Can’t believe I just compared my Grandfather’s life or death escape from fascist Italy with something as trivial as the “Lebron sweepstakes” shame on me…but I did, F*** it.

Point is there was always a plan B…always was, its just that some Knick fans like you, no offense, and everyone else in here sick of hearing free agent rumors didn’t wanna grasp that so now they don’t wanna hear anything till its “signed sealed, delivered”. (like the Stevie song they keep playing on the Amar’e MSG commercial…they’re so corny-all the time)

To me I knew Amar’e was gonna be a Knick b/c of many reasons and I always thought he was the 3rd best player available (Wade wasn’t going anywhere). I never touched that Bosh purple drank that was being passed around everywhere on here.

…What really convinced me was watching Lebron fold like a chair in the post season. On purpose or not, he could ever escape something so egregious in NYC as long as he wasn’t reeling off chips. That reason alone told me he was gonna duck the bright lights somehow.

Shame on you my friend for waiting for two years watching games daily like that lol. I was numb from the Isiah Era so I could wait an extra two seasons very happily. I just knew the worst was over and that helped me sleep better at night. Was I upset we didn’t land the big fish, sure! but I was still very happy at the same time because again, the worst was over. And you shouldn’t really read too much into players posturing for bigger paychecks like they do a lot in baseball (ala Kidd and Hill) We didn’t want those over the hill bums anyway. And Paul appears genuine as they come in this league.

As far as NY goes, above any place in the history of sports an entertainment, all across the board, this has and always will be the most desired place for STARS to land, so I’m not worried. As long as we have the money, the stars will come.

You’re gonna be extra cautious with your hope from now on thats for sure lol, but don’t blame Lebron or the Knicks, blame yourself for that one champ.

I’d rather keep Gallo. I’m clearly going with what I’ve seen and what I think I know will be good for the team we’re trying to build.

In the long run, I could be wrong tho.

@HaS

You seem to think Randolph is this virtuoso while passing the ball, don’t really get that one. He had a small handful of good passing games in GS. Gallo almost always made the right pass last season.

He has the ability to handle the rock well for a skinny big, doesn’t make him Odom yet.

What’s your base for the passing argument here?

Hit the wrong reply, sorry for the dupe fellas.

@HaS

You seem to think Randolph is this virtuoso while passing the ball, don’t really get that one. He had a small handful of good passing games in GS. Gallo almost always made the right pass last season.

He has the ability to handle the rock well for a skinny big, doesn’t make him Odom yet.

What’s your base for the passing argument here?

umm +3 lol

They actually find a way to criticize him because they assume that Knicks fans think he’s the next Dirk Nowitzki… Which is not the case anyways lol.

Agreed. Hornets need grittiness and athleticism in the front, Randolph is what they’re looking for. I am almost certain they would take the deal that would send Chandler and Randolph, giving us Chris Paul.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hornets are targeting Gallo as well, they seem to love shooters, Peja’s days are done, they need someone to fill up the gap at the starting 3 inside presence and grit.

So this trade opportunity is huge for the Hornets, I am sure they see the benefits as well as we do.

What style of play do you speak of??

Dribbling and running around really fast with the ball? Thats what he does. Sure he takes on some tree’s in the paint, but he’s not high flying at all. He’s one of the better conditioned athletes we have in the league actually.

Aside from last season he’s been pretty durable throughout his career, while logging playoff games as well. His three point shot didn’t hurt the spurs much did it?

Lets be real here E-Roc he’s still one of the best available PG options we have and he’s better than Felton will ever be.

This isn’t even close. He still has plenty of good years left in him.

You and Dave are way off on this one.

If you wanna act like I’m comparing him to CP3 go ahead, I’m not…But if you want my opinion on who’s better him or Felton, read my last post, or google it.

People are hilarious in here sometimes I swear lol.

yeah man. It’s crazy.

Your final point in your (well written) post brings me back to this notion going around that he’s a better passer than Gallo.

From what minute sample size are people coming up with this stuff. He’s a big who’s not a black hole from what I’ve seen, so sure he could step on the court for 25 mins and get 2.0 ast…that stat means nothing if you cant make the proper pass when needed.

Dude didn’t even pass that great in college either.

Lamar Odom gassed a lot of people up in here with his “like me” comments. Just cause somebody can handle the rock, doesn’t automatically make them a great passer too.

When playing alongside CP3, Gallo is more valuable as a role player to the Knicks than Randolph. Paul loves feeding to players like Gallo, who is a bit similar to Peja, who can spread the floor and hit spot up 3s.

The difference though is Gallo has elusive 1 on 1 moves, which Chris Paul has always been dreaming about during his time in New Orleans.

In New Orleans, Chris Paul had Rasual Butler, Peja Stojakovic, James Posey, and Mo Peterson at the 3 spot, and those guys couldn’t create their own shot. (except Peja who used to be able to, but not anymore he’s too old)

Gallo can.

I honestly believe the Knicks are in good hands as long as we keep one of them, either Randolph or Gallo, it’ll work out some how over time.

Both Gallo and Randolph fulfill their own niches, I can’t seem to outweigh one more than the other. Gallo spreads the floor, can defend the 3 as well as anyone. Randolph makes our front line unstoppable, probably the grittiest in the league. Either way, we’ll be okay if we lose one of them, but it will be worth it for the #1 impactful move you can have in the NBA, bigger than Lebron, having Chris Paul play for the Knicks.

Which is why we must present the opportunity to Chris Paul NOW, and take action. He would love to be here. We just have to present him the opportunity. Let’s gladly give the Hornets Gallo or Randolph, it’s worth the risk.

U can’t let Gallo get in the way of getting Chris Paul. If the Hornets tell u we want Gallo and Randolph and u have to take Okafor for Curry’s contract, u do it. Maybe they tell u, look if u don’t want to take Okafor, then the only way your winning the sweepstakes for Paul is u give us Gallo and Randolph and u get to keep the Curry contract. If that’s the case, u do it.

i am seeing shakespeare sunday.
guess i was just getting into the spirit.

Great post. I completely agree. Having watched the knicks for three decades, there has been only one great stretch to watch as a fan. The Ewing era was great. Everything else was pretty much gruesome. Except when Spree was shooting the ball like he was in a gym with a 15 foot ceiling.

I loved the knicks because I grew up in Africa and the only TV games I got to see were new york sports. Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Giants, Jets. I don’t love em all anymore, for natural reasons. But I loved them because they were my NY teams and I dreamed of living in NY.

There are plenty of players other than Lebron who have spurned the knicks and each one has hurt my sense of knick pride and longing, in a little way. Nothing like when Artest was passed in the draft. That hurt much more than Lebron because it came from an outsider that didn’t understand what NY was about. It also signaled the beginning of misery.

The past two years have been good for the knicks in terms of clearing the dung and haze that have been permeating the entire franchise for a decade. This summer has been great and I am just happy to be thinking about this team in terms of how to make something good and promising better. I hope we get CP3 and Melo. I think at this point it makes alot of sense that these guys are congregating on teams. Certainly in NY the market is more than big enough to facilitate more than one star. Maybe in Miami. If we don’t we’ll be ok, thanks donnie.

By the way, anyone remember when Portland had that team that was like somewhere in btetween the recent champ pistons and the current heat. I don’t think the heat are a lock by any means.

Gallo can shine in the Garden. He plays ball for us. He might be a star, and around superstars, he might develop into a superstar shooter. AR has alot to prove before he has Gallo’s value. You think Golden State or anyone for that matter would trade Gallo for D LEE. Not in a million years. They moved this kid for a reason. He’s absolutely tradeable, although he is intriguing. Might be great if he reaches potential.

1st off how would you bring a allstar point guard to a broken up Team – Gallo is the future so is Randolph and Stoudamire –
this is who is tradeable and this is who can pack up
TD – keeper
Chandler – tradeable
Bill Walker – tradeable
Landry Fields – Keeper
Gallo – Keeper
Azubuke – Keeper
Randolph – Keeper
Jerome Jordan – tradeable
Mozgov – Keeper
Stoudamire – Keeper
Felton – tradeable
Turiaf – tradeable

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even tho thats not much Trade Bait i think the best bet is putting a 3rd team in play to take Okafurs contract and take half those players mentioned in Trade – Knicks can also throw money around and grab a Trade Exception just incase
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if CP3 wants out and NY is 1st stop then best believe it will work out in our favor
plus theirs no way DW deplete a solid roster for a guard who wants to be traded with solid players around him to Win

Imagine this Line up

Paul
Azubuke
Gallo
Stoudamire
Turiaf

bench

TD
Walker/Rautins
Landry/Ewing Jr
Randolph
Mosgov

2011 Lineup

Paul
Azubuke
Melo
Gallo
Stoudamire

Not sure where this randy is a better ball handler then gallo. Golla played point I a professional league. Don’t think randolph can do that. Don’t let the youtube highlights fool you bro. Gallo might have the best handle in the league for any 1 taller then 6’10 besides Lamar O.
Another thing why are so many of you GMs begging for E curry to be part of this deal. If this does happen, which I doubt, but just if E. Curry is the 1 person we cannot trade. I’m more convince that Melo will be a knick b4 CP3, and we need currys contract in order to make that happen.
Last thought some of the propose trades that are being put on here are just laughable. So NO is just ganna give a franchise player for TD, chandler, turiaf, az and some 2nd round picks, or what ever combonation of any. Its not going to happen. However If mello does sign his extention which he may after his 6 weeks long honeymoon. I say we do the trade with okorfor included. Okofor brings everthing that amare does not and vice versa but we keep gallo to take that f’up contract. Just think
CP3
Towel man
Golla
Amare
Okofor
Or if we go the melo route
Felton
Melo
Galo
Amare
Turiof/russian if he is ready
Not sure what team is better, u tell me…

whole point is If stoudamire goes down for some reason – you need players that can Win with Paul ..so sending half the damn Team for paul makes no sense
Randolph can take Stoudamire’s slack and Gallo can shoot the lights out – would u trade that away to have Paul run with Rookies ?
a 3rd Team has to be in Play for Knicks to even have a shot
a Team with Expiring Contracts and a Rebuilding mentality

TRADE GALLO

+1 NO DOUBT!! We are in a better position than we have been in…well in a decade! Thanks DW!