Monty Set to talk to Paul

Can’t we take Okafor in a trade, buy him out for 30 mil and have him off the cap for next year?

It seems like that was something we could have done with Curry except that he had an option instead of an actual contract.

or am I forgetting things.

It might be an easy way to get Paul by basically writing a check for 30 mil or so.

“People have said to me that Parker will ask for the max. I can’t see that being the case.”

If _avi_ (a career avg. 50 game loser for 5 years) can ask for the max I can “see” Parker (a Finals MVP and a 3 time NBA champion) and his agent asking for the max. They’re one year apart in age.

I was also wondering, in regards to trading draft picks, if we can trade two first round picks without designating where they come from and instead just say by a certain time (or they get an unprotected or something) and then buy a couple of number ones that get thrown into the deal later.

No you can’t buy him out it will still count against the cap.

No shots.

You can’t guarantee that someone will want to sell their pick.

Sorry, but why would we even want Parker? Is he that much of an upgrade over Felton? I would rather have Felton at 7 mil than Parker at 14 mil. If we are going to pay a guy big money, they need to be a game changer. Parker is a good, but he isn’t an elite player.

i dont know know guys if im too inclined on giving up ALL of our young assets to take on cp3…to me gallo is a dealbraker and so is turiaf…turiaf is essential to have in any team wanting to go far in the playoffs even if he dosent play…hes that energy guy in the bench that every good team needs and there just isnt a lot of those around anymore…we have to give gallo one more year in his development we all know what hes capable of…as far as trading for cp3…wait until dec to trade felton with randolph and chandler and we go after melo in 2011 as a free agent…thats the best way to go at this…we cant compete with miami and chicgo orlando with just amare and cp3 no gallo no randolph…think about it

NO has the advantage to ask for anything they want and include any players they have to if they’re letting Paul go. Curry’s contract has to be included to matchup with Emeka’s and after that you put together any necessary combo of players.
It’s a tough sell, but if you really want CP3, you give whatever it takes, no matter what the roster looks like after the trade.
Melo’s not a certainty, and CP3 might be, accompanied by Emeka and Posey. Is Walsh willing to take on that? There’s a bigger question mark.
Orlando has bigger contracts they’d be willing to lose + draft picks we don’t have. NY’s advantage stands on the available cap + young players with upside with cheap contracts. If this goes down, it’ll come down to what Demps wants for his team moving forward. In any case, Portland should be in this scnenario as well since they have plenty of cheap assets.

I know it counts against the cap this year but if nothing is paid next year I don’t believe it counts against next years cap. When are you saying the 30 mil buyout would count against the cap?

Exactly. Parker is worth a max deal only if he comes with Tim Duncan and a time machine.

No kidding!

That’s why you wouldn’t designate which pick you would be trading. Just a timeframe in which you would be planning to buy however many picks.

Concur.
Paul over Felton makes sense, but Parker is not necessarily better than Felton in MD’s system.

I think that at this point it’s more about what the player represents rather than his abilities. I think Parker’s a great PG, and his experience is a definite bonus to any team that has him, but I see no harm -in this team’s present direction- in letting Felton take over and show what he can do.
Of course if the Paulathon actually becomes a reality Felton will most likely be traded before the deadline.

Carmelo is taking a huge risk. If that CBA changes as drastically as its supposed, he’s in line to lose millions of dollars. I’m sure he is struggling with this decision.

Personally I think we should stand pat and roll with what we have. Pray that Melo doesn’t sign with Denver and then offer him max next summer and show him how much more he can make with endorsements. Then in 2012 make a run at Deron Williams (a year younger than Paul, never been injured) and show him what he’s been missing.

2010: Amare
2011: Amare and Melo
2012: Amare, Melo, DWill

Can someone review what we actually have currently in cap space?

If we are taking back $30mil in salary (Paul + Okafor) and we are only sending back Curry, Chandler, AR, TD (totals to about $17mil) do we have $13 mil in cap space?

you have to look at it like this…what will it take to beat miami and the top dogs in the league???will cp3 and okafor and stoudemire be enough bunched up with a bunch of old guys(since they will take gallo and randolph)a la miami style??im sorry i dont think it works…okafor is untradeable for the next a least 3 yrs and we will be strapped financially with no draft picks (remember houston has our first rounders for 2 yrs)i woudnt do it

Eddy Curry
Anthony Randolph
Wilson Chandler
Future 1st round draft pick

For :

Chris Paul

I think it’s the best scenario. I don’t expect the Knicks to absorb Okafor’s contract, I’m not even sure it is possible. But if financial relief is necessary for the Hornets, I think we can take James Posey’s contract in return.

Eddy Curry
Ronny Turiaf
Kelenna Azabuike
Anthony Randolph
Wilson Chandler

For

Chris Paul
James Posey
And Marcus Thornton or is it too much to ask for?

LOL, if Parker wants a max deal he can look elsewhere. We’d have to be insane to pay twice as much for a PG who is an even worse outside shooter than Felton and a steep downgrade on the defensive end as well. NO THANKS

We have a little over 3 mil now but in a trade you can take back 125% of what you send out even if you end up over the cap.

i think the knicks offer to take posey, not okafor.
then we offer the following that i think can work under cap.
chandler,douglas,walker,curry,azubuike for paul,posey. THAT’S IT. if you say i’m crazy, i say thank you and move on.
i’m not giving up randolph or gallo.

Maybe we can keep Azabuike or Turiaf if we have enough capspace to take back 3 addition millions.

Taking on ‘Meks contract is a small price to pay for CP3, imo. It’s not like Mek is a slouch, just over paid.

Parker > Felton

It’s not even close.

The thing that scares me though is the mileage on Parker, long playoff runs, playing internationally and playing professionally at a young age.

We should all know whether it’s worth holding onto Felton or going after Parker by year’s end, provided Paul isn’t wearing a blue and orange #3 jersey at some point.

We probably won’t have enough capspace to sign Deron Williams in 2012. Gallinari’s caphold/new contract will be way too expansive.

The Knicks need to be proactive regardless. We’re not going to sign Melo as a FA.

If we’re just taking on Paul then I think we’re gonna have to give up Gallo and Randolph unfortunately.

+1

no we dont we currently hane about 3 mil in cap space so in order to take okafor and cp3 well have to give up 11 mil in contracts and felton is not tradeable until dec so basically we would have to give up the whole team and have cp3, okafor,stoudemire and to sign about 6 or 7 roster fillers..

Even tho Parker IS an elite player.

Amare 17
Paul 15
Felton 7
Okafor 11.5
Gallo 3.4
Turiaf 4
Mozgov 3

That’s $58 mil right there.

Who know is Dwill wants to come to NY?him Jefferson and hayward can be a scary combination.

“Taking on ‘Meks contract is a small price to pay for CP3, imo. It’s not like Mek is a slouch, just over paid.”

Exactly Circle, exactly.

Especially if we’re giving up Turiaf, we’ll be in the market for a starting caliber center anyway.

That’s in part the point I was trying to make. Like I mentioned, will a hypothetical lineup of Paul, Walker, Posey/Fields, Amare, Emeka suffice to become a true contender in this conference? This trade would leave this team with absolutely no flexibiliy for 4 years, but it’ll have a top PG and a top PF. So, is it worth it?
And even more important, is Walsh willing to take on so much to have Paul as Knick?
It’s a really tough call.

U can take on Emeka and Pauls contract and still have room for melo. if u trade Felton, Mosgov and Bill walker at the deadline and Turiaf opts out.

Then you Have Paul, Melo, Emeka and Amare

But we don’t have enough contracts to make the numbers match unless we trade the WHOLE roster aside from Gallinari and Stoudemire. Is it worth it??

More like:

2010: Amare, Gallo, Randolph
2011: Amare, Gallo, Randolph, Carmelo
2012: Amare, Gallo, Randolph, Carmelo, DWill/CP3

… and it’s game over for everyone else. This is what we set ourselves up to do. All we need is patience, people. Besides CP3 is not going anywhere soon, the Hornets would be crazy to trade him now and he has no leverage to force a trade. What’s he going to do, commit career suicide by pouting and sitting out two years? This is all just talk. PATIENCE, people, we will get there before you know it…

true but disagree on “small price” emka will strap the knicks financially for the next 4 yrs plus we would have to give up almost the whole team..we csnt do it dosent mke sense

Wrong.

We can take Okafor and Paul at about 26 mil for 21 mil in contracts.

Curry
Azi
Turiaf
Chandler
Douglas

is about all we would need to send from a dollar standpoint. Give or take a mil.

No we can’t.

Do you think the new CBA won’t let teams go over the cap to re-sign their own? I kind of doubt it but honestly I have no clue.

I agree. Thats the best scenario. No chance they give up Thorton though. If they give up Paul, they will want a Collison/Thorton backcourt.

haven’t you even tried the trade checker or trade machine?

If Curry and Okafor are included we don’t even need to touch the core.

Agreed, but you know how it is, his skillset’s not what this coach prefers for his coveted “system”, although I’d gladly take him. His 3 ball ain’t pretty, but who knows how his stats would increase in this style of ball.

They will not get AR and Gallo of the Knicks have to take Okafor. They might not get either if the Knicks have to take Okafor.

… and 11 D-leaguers to fill out the roster? No thanks.

After watching YouTube of Randolph I dont want to lose him he has so much of the “P” word and I’d like to keep the rooster BUT we’ll c how this all shakes out. I was quite content what we did in FA and knew more would be needed to compete for the chip.

Im a UCONN homer but I think Mek was overpaid and he just doesnt block shots and rebound like he should IMO. I rather take Posey’s contract if we have to

Unless Sloan leaves Utah I truly can’t see Deron going anywhere, he’s in a good situation there. Utah has quietly retooled again to stay relevant in the deep West.

Al Jefferson
Raja Bell
Gordon Hayward
Mehmet Okur and Kirilenko coming back from injury.

and imagine if anthony dosent take the extension in denver and becomes a free agent in july and we cant get him beecause we have emeka okafor..man ill be pissed

Defense and Rebounding is the key to winning Championships know doubt….but a point guard who can control the pace, attack at will, point players in the best position to succeed at there highest level,and just be a overall leader on and off the court and can be just a part of the face of your franchise is unheard of round these parts since Clyde ….and he is the only One walking around thee Building with Rings on his fingers….

Paul and Okafur(bad contract and all) will bring you both defense and rebounding..(Posey too if required can do both and shown to knock down jumpers when they actually count for something with a couple of rings on his fingers)..Paul is a excellent rebounder for a pg and defensively when willing/needed is no joke….maybe 1 of the best pg defenders in the NBA and that can be as important as having a dominant defensive center when you disrupt the flow and cohesion of the opponent form 1 end line to the other……

I’ve struggled like some saying Felton can hold it down and we could hold our young players and wait for Melo and sign him out right…but like many who have been paying attention and happens to be realistic waiting has done us no good trying to get us the closest thing to a Superior player in the league….it feels like “fools gold”…

weve seen in the league many times were lop sided trades are made….never our way…could this be our time…doubt it…No West, Riley, or Thorne working for us….so if we have to go all in to get it done then so be it…..

if gallo,az,turiaf,eddy expiring, and td can get it done then so be it……anybody who eposes is not worth entertaining(unless mathematically ..but were under the cap I think sooo….)…..if it takes a unproven radolph to be included in that package then do it..( I would have included ILL WILL in some form but dudes on here would trade him for fernandez and have billy start over him or better yet get some bumb from toronto for ILL WILL*the boofanary is endless here* so why would NO want him…hahahaha)….at the end of the day you put yourself under the cap for a opportunity to make yourself a Championship Contender but if you get to the point were you can be it and it results getting back over then so be it…….I’n my humbled……

Yes I have.

The Knicks will have to trade Curry, Turiaf, Azabuike, Chandler, Randolph, Douglas and use what we have left in terms of capspace to take Paul plus Okafor.

We’ll have Paul, Felton, Walker, Gallinari, Stoudemire, Mozgov.

I love how now Knicks fans are saying that Paul, Amare, and Gallo/Randolph is not enough to win. Since when does it take THREE super stars to win a championship LOL!

“We probably won’t have enough capspace to sign Deron Williams in 2012. Gallinari’s caphold/new contract will be way too expansive.”

If the Knicks sign Carmelo, Gallinari is expendable imho.

And Okafor.

I’m not necessarily saying it’s a bad move but it’s risky… is it worth it? I don’t know

I, for one, don’t think Melo will become a FA. Either he resigns after this season, signs his present offer, or leaves some time before the deadline. Those are the three alternatives.
Who knows what’ll happen with Paul and what Walsh’s willing to give to get him, but if nothing goes down, you just move forward with what you have and you take your chances and let your youth develop.
That should be a nice change of pace for this team.

Yup. No way NO’s brass doesn’t ask for both of them, it’d be ridiculous considering their giving up their franchise player.
I highly doubt they’ll move Paul alone, no way. They want relief, so they’ll include anything the can. That’s why I think Portland and Orlando have a real solid chance. They have a bunch of cheap and expensive assets.

Is it worth it??
I really dont think so Mucha, much as I covet CP3 on our team the COST IS TOO HIGH.

Unless Donnie can pull a Gasol to Lakers type move BUT I dont think Shinn owes Donnie W anything like the secret handshake sent to Jerry West( I know Mitch Kupchack (sp)was GM) but that trade had The LOGO’s prints all over it

They could do that same trade without Randolph which to me makes your statement about trading the whole team a bit excessive.

If we can keep Gallo and Randolph I think it is worth it.

It’s really a tough call. I have my doubts if whether Walsh has the stones to do it.

if we take ok4 with paul we just become hornets 2.0 with a better 4 and a better version of peja with gallo and no real 2 guard

why would paul want that

These Scenarios are Crazy but some make lots of Sense – as i mentioned in prior sections – a 3rd team has to come in play if we get CP3 now..if not i will play the waiting game – let the knicks showcase players and build a winning system so if we get CP3 or Melo our system is already set to Win …i say why try to grab all these players when your building a Winner 1st….1st you Win then you have Leverage to Attain players who can add to Winning – thats like Miami Heat – we all know they have the best but can their Chemistry keep them Winning and also can they all stay Healthy ?? cause if Wade or Bosh goes down its Lebron carrying a Lesser talented Team then Cleveland – so i dont think Walsh would let Knicks Fail by Shaking up the Roster for 1 player that can get hurt or Stoudamire can get hurt …Then who runs the show?? think Ahead is the rules of Chess
and DW has the pieces lined up correctly

My 2 trade proposals :

1. Eddy Curry, Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler and a future 1st round draft pick for CARMELO ANTHONY.

2. Eddy Curry, Kelenna Azabuike, Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler for CHRIS PAUL and JAMES POSEY.

The Knicks need to make something happen, we can’t afford to wait until free agency.

Except we also have one of the best PFs in the league… If the Hornets had Amare, I guarantee Paul wouldn’t be looking to leave.

We can’t even do it with a bunch of minimum contract filling the roster

maybe melo wont become a free agent but heres what i dont understand..why would sit on an extension that will make the second highest paid player after kobe?theres a strategy here and its obviously not about money

To me a CORE of Amare, Gallo, Melo and Paul is D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y championship caliber. So if there’s anything that can be done to get us there, it’s OK with me…

If a deal waited till decemeber i couldsee the Pacers being a third team in the deal because they have a bunch of expiring contracts and they need a Point Guard and could want Felton

Yeah he’s too talented.

and u really think hornets would take a deal like that? man thay really must be high on some good crack

+1

Thats not how it works. When you buyout a player, a certain amount is intricately counted against the cap for each of the years remaining on the original contract.

Since Okafor’s contract lasts through 2013-2014, the Knicks would have a part of Okafor’s salary against the teams cap for each of those years.

Check out the homie Larry Coon

If we have to give up AR and Gallo, I doubt that we’re taking any of New Orleans’ ridiculous contracts. The big question is, “is rebuilding more important that salary relief for the Hornets?”

I like both those trade proposals, but I don’t think Carmelo Anthony is on the trade block right now. At least the Hornets could tell their fans that they have a future CP3 in Collison. I think NO fans could get excited about a core of:

Collsion
Thorton
Randolph
West
Brackins
Chandler
Pondexter

I’m not too sure that trading Anthony would go over so well. As long as Melo isn’t demanding a trade, the Nuggets are in no rush to trade him. They might as well wait until the trade deadline, or just do a S%T after the season.

guys, see my post a bit higher. posey, not okafor.

No way we can afford all those guys.
Not enough cap room to bring in PGs.

my point is that they would want our BEST assets which are gallo and randolph…theyre not giving up a franchise player for turiaf and azibuke mixed in with chandler and dougles its just not happening

That’s why I think if Paul really wants a shot at landing on the Knicks (or Orlando, Lakers, wherever) his best bet is waiting until Dec. 15th.

Also, even with Okafor involved, the Knicks will have to give up either Gallo or AR anyway, imo. They’ll have to give up both without Okafor. I think being stuck with Okafor is worth keeping either Randolph or Gallo.

I’m with you. I just hope that New Orleans’ management likes your offer too.

I would rather not take Okafor back as well, but I would if thats what it takes.

No one knows if that’ll happen and there’s less certainty on what Walsh’s willing to give up to get Paul (if his meeting on Monday goes south).

While everyone is looking at the stars the Lakers are getting stronger! Matt Barnes & Theo Ratliff!! Those guys are just what they need to go get another ring!! wow It’s crazy what the superpowers are doing! Lakers The Thunder The heat are like wow! I am also impressed with the Bucks & the Bulls, there will be some mega battles this year!

You’re crazy.
Moving on.

What Dylan said and the Knicks are a franchise that’s more than willing to spend money on talent and isn’t cash strapped.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cq6pfs

This trade seems to help every team especially the Knicks but if the hornets want cap relief they can still get it in this trade and get some young assets as well and the nuggets get the same… They wont b getting rid of okafors contract which they want but these young assets can play good this year and maybe be paired with him at the deadline

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a2kdkf

Maybe the guy wants to wait it out and see how Denver performs the upcoming season to understand whether his team can truly contend.
I don’t know if there’s a strategy. I mean, Paul being traded away has been a rumor for a while now, and NJ and Portland were very close to sealing the deal. No such thing has happened with Melo, no I’ll be speculating if I say that he’s got a personal agenda.

I think they both come in hand. One of the perks of a rebuilding process is that little by little you start having more flexibility and relief while adding cheap young assets with potential.

“People have said to me that Parker will ask for the max.”

Um . . .no. Absolutely not.

I think CP3 is a great player no doubt about it. However, I went to Virginia Tech and was able to watch plenty of Felton and Paul (two ACC studs) and I really think people are selling Felton short – a lot. Give this guy a chance he can seriously ball and his best is still ahead of him. Paul is a big question mark in my opinion because he is fresh of knee surgery.
I guess what i’m trying to say is that I dont want to see the knicks give up a ton of young talent just for CP3 if we can get melo next year.

2011 roster:

Felton
Melo
Gallo
Randolph
Stat

Yikes that’s nasty!!!

“Even tho Parker IS an elite player.”

cut it out…..

anybody who gets there spot ran by george hill is not elite…regardless of the situation….

I think Randolph or Gallo would need to be included. Otherwise we wouldn’t have enough cap room. We only have about 3 mil left.

u most definately can

again, the big if.

Okafor is a fantastic SHOCK blocker!!!

we will findout if the HE SAY SHE SAY stuff is true,the media loves to created stuff like this,GIVE ME A SOUND BITE OF PAUL SAYING HE WANTS TO BE TRADED

if he does want to be traded i bet the knicks don’t get him,donnie is incompetent

yup,he’s also fantastic at being on the bench injured

not only can u do it but u can trade felton mosgov walker and turiaf for anthony in nba trade machine

lmao

“Parker > Felton

It’s not even close.”

don’t know if that margin is as big as your making it out to be …..all things being considered….like to see what felton can do here…….just saying….

yup with that core not only would we be able to win A championship but win multiple and squash lebrons hopes and dreams…priceless…it could happen thay just play their cards right…and right thay need patience and wait until the trade deadline so thay can trade felton so we wouldnt have to give up gallo and then we could sign melo in 2011

AR instead of Gallo… We can always find a shooter….

I’m already on record as saying that i don’t want any part of Parker, A 6-1 “shooting guard who can’t shoot!”

how impressed are u with MR MAGOO

NO would never go for it unless we were willing to take back Okafor and Posey, and even then I’m not sure they go for it.

Curry
Turiaf
Azubuike
TD
Chandler
Walker
1st rd pick
2nd rd picks
3 mil in cash

Paul, Okafor, Posey

We take Paul + both their bad contracts, giving them huge cap space in 2011.
We retain our two best prospects. Again, this only works if their main goal is cap relief.

Knicks Lineup
Paul
Felton (until he is traded for a natural 2)
Gallo
Amare
Okafor

With AR coming off the bench to play the 3, 4 and 5.

Bench
Fields
Rautins
Mozgov

We need to get some more SHOCK blockers. Let’s get Okafor!!!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29yalx7

Hopefully we go for posey instead of okafur.

what are you LMAO at exactly?

On a more serious note what the hell was NO thinking with that Okafor contract. I mean he’s a great shock blocker and all but dumb contracts like that are what put them in the predicament they are in.

parker is 100x better than felton
felton is duhon 2.0

Not if Paul can wait until Dec. 15th.

Even if not, I still think it’s worth it. This is CP3, the guy dishes like Nash, defends like Payton and can score in bunches. Top 5 player in the league, imo.

I understand the reservations but I think CP3 is good enough to pull the trigger.

Also if we get Paul can’t we trade Felton for say bay less and prz mid season? Those two contracts gives us money for melo.

Aye. For the last sentence

There you go swinging with your eyes closed again Son, If Parker don’t have a clear lane to the basket that Cat is useless because he “will not pass the ball!”

My bad it was Charlotte that made that dumb contract. But NO did an equally dumb Chandler contract which they traded for Okafor…

Seems like a fair deal. I wish we could hold onto Azubuike though. But I guess CP3 and Felton would start anyway, so it wouldn’t really matter.

i guess u havn’t seen felton shoot,parker is a way better shooter than felton..

This is what the Knicks should do:
Knicks trade Gallo or Randolph, Azubuike’s expiring deal, Douglas, Chandler and Curry’s expiring deal along with the available cap space they already have to bring in Paul and Okafor before this coming season.
Now….If Melo truly wants to be a Knick….acquiring Paul will only enhance that desire….Assuming Melo does not intend to resign with Denver….that paired with a strong desire to come home and be a Knick…..should lead to at some point before the deadline next season or during the following offseason the Knicks trading Gallo or Randolph, Felton, Turiaf(who by next season will be an expiring deal)and Mozgov and a future draft pick or two…to the Nuggets in a sign and trade to acquire Melo. We now have our big 3 with Okafor….and like Miami is doing we can acquire nice complimentery pieces to fill out our roster from that point….and if Melo decides to resign and stay in Denver…well then I am damn glad we didnt put all our eggs in the Melo basket and thank god we went after and acquired Paul!
This should be the plan!!! Paul first…and then if Melo truly truly wants to be a Knick….they can find a way to make it happen…trust me!!!

Throw in Douglas then. My view is that if we have to take Okafor’s contract, we should keep AR and Gallo.

Lol the guy has played ever single game for the past 3 years.

First you say he sucked in college now this? Man, brush up on your facts.

And forget Tony Parker Tommy Dee…the guy will definitely want close to a max..and is not near the all around player Paul is…..All attention should concentrated on acquiring Paul!!

Really, why not?

felton is 1 of the worse p.g in the league
an your saying him an parker could be on the same level,LMAO

No way that’s worth it. This whole thing is a ridiculous gamble. Adding Okafor’s contract to the mix is killer.

the contracts of Felton, Mosgov,and Bill Walker adds up to 10,554,300

Add Turiafs contact who will most likely opt out and your at 14,554,300 to spend

The team would then look as follows

Chris Paul

Anthony Randolph
Amare Stoudamire
Emeka Okeafor

If which is a big IF melo opts out u then try to either move Okeafor if that fails you move Anthony Randolph 1.9 million

Which leaves the Knicks 16,454,300 to sign Carmelo Anthony

says who………..

not if ISIAH has anything to say about that…….AHAHAHAHAAHA

but nah if walsh is unwilling to make that move after all the wrong he has done then he should be fired…..If we would have signed any other max we wouldn’t have randolph….if we could have done a sign a trade for a max we wouldn’t have gallo anyway….so at the end of the day if takes you another real max dude to give up the 2 what really is the difference…Okafur is not stopping me from getting 1 of the best players pound for pound in the league….for collison yes…for Paul..your buggin cut it out….you would be over the cap any way you just killed to birds with 1 stone….I can trust Okafur contributing at a position of NEED whether he too is injury prone or not over the possibility of gallo playing out of position either way and the possibility of him being injury prone and not playing a position of need…..

+1

It saved them money on lux tax for that year I believe, which they needed badly. That and Okafor > Ty Chandler. Still it wasn’t the smartest move.

Save the TP for the toilet. Let’s get shock blockers!!! OKAFOR!!! OKAFOR!!!

Midseason we can trade mosgov and felton to Indiana for troy Murphy

lol

…and a box of MAGNUM ROLLE brand condoms.

You’re right.

But Melo has enough leverage to demand a trade if he wants to play in NY

He wasnt even a dbl-dbl guy 10 ppg and 9 rebounds, he did average 1.6 blocks with a career of 1.8. His best block party years was 06-07 with 2.6, since then all his numbers keep dropping.

Two small pg’s in the same backcourt?

lol I’m sorry guys but all this trade talk BS has got me a little loopy plus it’s Friday…

he didn’t suck like stink but gordon got uconn that ncaa championship

I gotta throw my hat in with the wait for Melo camp now lol. These trades are getting ridiculous. Do we really want to gut our entire roster now just to get Chris Paul? I’d rather hold onto our young talent, and hope Carmelo opts out and work from there rather than depleting our entire roster yet again.

Where does that even leave us? Paul and Stoudemire by themselves aren’t going to be beating the Heat anytime soon. I say we offer the Hornets Randolph, Douglas, Walker, and a future 1st round pick and maybe throw in Chandler, and that’s it. Just to take on Paul, and that’s it. If they don’t like it, then walk away.

This is starting to remind me of the Starbury situation(and in no way do Paul and Starbury even compare), but it’s reminding me of Isiah leveraging our whole team just to get Starbury. It won’t work. Why bid against yourselves when you have time and flexibility? Wait for the right trade offer to present itself, or build from within. But its not even worth it to give up the whole team to get Paul. That leaves us right back at square one.

Okefor last season wasnt even a dbl-dbl guy 10 ppg and 9 rebounds, he did average 1.6 blocks with a career of 1.8.

His best block party years was 06-07 with 2.6, since then all his numbers keep dropping.

Fair December trade? or something similar

Knicks Get
Paul + Foster(6.6 expiring)

NO Gets
Randloph+Turiaf+Chandler+Douglas+tj ford(8.5expiring)

Pacers
Felton+Ok4+2nd rounders from us

“Add Turiafs contact who will most likely opt out”

????

Why do you assume that Turiaf’s going to opt out?

By the way Paul, Stoudemire, Okafor = $46 million next summer.

That leaves a max of $14 million to be shared by Carmelo Anthony and 9 other players.

No disrespect but you’re delusional.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68318/20100723/hornets_want_okafor_included_in_any_paul_deal/

If we get okafor we can match up great with the lakers big men and prob have the advantage with okafor over bynum. He is an experienced and a defensive center. imo i think he is definetly worth picking up. a little expensive but we need a center that will pair with amare. Thats a nice front court. we can beat orlando boston and anyother team in east. I think we can match up and compete with miami n chicago. Defensively we can match up with anyteam in the league. We have to jump on this oppurtunity to get CP3

i know it’s the net but alot seem to come on here to write some fantasy ISH,but i’ll say the knicks get CARMELA some how an they will still be a first round exit tops or miss the playoffs by 1 2 games

You would rather hold on to our young guys the get Paul?? I will personally drive douglas, chandler, gallo or randolph, bill walker….any of them to the airport this second to get Chris Paul….our young guys aint THAT good!!

NO is putting a lot of conditions for a team trying to trade a guy who basically already admitted he wants out…Donnie will make them sweat a little and Okafor will keep teams away…it will be interesting…I still think deep down this gets postponed till all star break/trade deadline…

Is Okafor overpaid?? yes..definitely! Is Okafor a good solid player who can get you 10 and 10 every night and provide a shot blocking presence..absolutely….and he is only 28….this guy is not a waste of space like Curry….He is a good solid player and is only 28….Over paid?? yes….can he be a hlpful addition to a Knick team that needs a player like him?? Absolutely!!

I wouldn’t trade the whole roster for Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony either. But if we can somehow keep Danilo Gallinari, Amare Stoudemire (and Raymond Felton) and aquire Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony I think Donnie Walsh must pull the trigger.

We are discussing cap numbers not fair deals

F Okafor’s contract.

“It’s a tough sell, but if you really want CP3, you give whatever it takes, no matter what the roster looks like after the trade.” No you don’t give a team whatever they want! Walsh did that to get Houston to take Jeffries contract thinking he was freeing up enough money to get LBJ and another max player and if Amare wasn’t such a high risk max with no place to go Walsh would have had to pick up his pants from around his ankles and go home! Walsh should not let NO’s GM hose him like Houston’s GM did. Also at the end of the day the Knicks team (whatever team is left) must have the qualitative pieces to get past Miami!

no you can’t.

lol. It’s not even a question of our young guys being good or not. If we are going to have the money anyway, why bid against ourselves and deplete our roster of assets when we can just wait for a year or 2 and get a star while maintaining all our assets. In my opinion, this whole thing is beginning to seem really desperate, which is unneccesary as of the moment.

yo vor you just agreed with me with your parker comment…

Well Marc Gasol’s actually a very good young player.

They want money and if you are assuming 50 mil in obligations and giving another 10 mil worth of cash and picks you are giving something more valuable then young players and, quite frankly, money is what they want down there. Money and an angle to sell the trade to fans…or a deal for vegas….

I think we should hold tight on this trade. I think Carmelo is more of a game changer than CP3. Plus, maybe if Felton just drinks his BAZI he will be CP3-light.

yeah your right in that those projections are with 2010-11 contracts not 2011-2012 add the 2011-2012 contacts of Paul, Okeafor and Stoudamire leave 11,335,783 million according to hoopshype and Stoudemires 10.6 million dollar increase. Regardless if there is a 100 percent chance of getting Paul and we have to take Emeka vs a outside chance of getting Carmelo you have to take the chance of finding creative ways to get rid of the unwanted contracts at a later date.

I hope it does wait until allstar becasue I want our fans to really see how good AR can be in this system and with a coach that will give him a chance to do what he does and just play Basketball….

so who is actually swinging with there eyes close..haha…

I guess I can understand where you’re coming from. And while this is in no way a given, tell me which scenario is better:

A: We go into the season with Paul, Felton, Gallo, Amare, Mozgov/maybe Turiaf.

B: We wait a year, then go into next season with Felton, Gallo, Carmelo, Amare, Turiaf/Randolph= All our guys. lol you get the point.

While I realize that B is in no way assured and it’s actually unlikely, I don’t see that team in scenario A winning a championship. We’re going to be hamstrung and lack any flexibility, and while Paul/Amare in a fastbreak offense is very intriguing, Paul/West were not able to do much together, because the roster lacked any flexibility.

It just seems like in scenario A we’re giving up way too much. I really understand where you’re coming from though.

And honestly what some fans need to realize is we would benefit more from playing the guys we acquired and having their trade value go up…

That’s two stars. Only one has shown he can comeback from his injury and one bad contract that eats up all money needed to put a team together. Not only do they not win a championship, they probably dont make it out of the first round.

I don’t know. We have 3 promising young players fighting for 1.5 spots. I think it’s a golden opportunity to use their trade value in order to get one of the best players in the NBA. I think we need to be very active today and make a smart move if possible. Of course we can’t afford to trade the whole roster for one player if we don’t have enough pieces left to build a championship team around him. But if we can keep Amare, Gallinari and another player then we should make something happen.

There is a such thing a trade and extend where the knicks could extend both pauls contract and okeafor lowering the cost of both contracts to be able to bring in melo

But now is our chance to strike! Who knows what the future holds?? Paul could get traded to Orlando love it their…and sign an extension…and Melo signs his extension..and we are left with Gallo, randolph and Felton and the 7th seed in the east. Gotta take advantage of this opportunity now!!

A. can’t happen….No way you get Paul without taking Okafor..I would be shocked…..so our lineup would actually ideally be : paul, felton, gallo, amare and Okafor.
Looks like a easy 50 win team to me

your proposals are wack…..save it…..

u mean CARMELA is more of a game scorer,paul is the better player when healthy…

I think A’s a more reasonable direction :

The core’s

PG. Paul
SG. X
SF. Gallinari
PF. Stoudemire
C. Turiaf

Bench : James Posey, Raymond Felton, Bill Walker

There’s only one empty spot in the starting line-up. But we’d have a couple of trade assets : Felton, Walker, 2011 1st round draft pick, 2011 MLE…

I think it’s a very good situation.

We could take Posey

I just can’t see the Knicks taking Okafor’s contract.

Does talking out your ass count as bilingual?. Okafor was UConn’s leading scorer in the championship and was the tournaments Most Outstanding Player.

Just sit the next few rounds out.

Again, I see where both you guys are coming from.

And I guess I agree, Randolph + whoever else, excluding Gallo and Amare for Chris Paul alone is a great trade that we would have to do.

But some of these trade proposals are ridiculous. If they’re asking teams to take on Okafor’s contract, then I say no way do we make this trade, unless we get to keep both Gallo and Randolph. And it does seem like the starting point of conversations with NO is going to involve Okafor’s contract. I don’t think we should make this trade if his awful contract is involved.

I can’t see giving up BOTH Randolph AND Gallo AND Curry’s expiring AND taking back Okafor. To me, that’s us getting fleeced, it’s just not good for the TEAM. I know Chris Paul would be a beast in this system with Amare, but they have to play with SOMEBODY. That leaves us so screwed going forward it’s just not worth it, imo. If we take back Okafor, I can’t see us giving up Gallo. Chris Paul is a diamond, but damn, are we getting a little carried away? It’s not like our guys are garbage. Unproven? yes..Garbage and castoffs? NO. A package of Cap Relief (Curry/taking back Okafor), and young talent with upside (Chandler and Randolph), and maybe some draft picks, should be fair compensation for a star player with injury history.

fair enough. I think Felton will be a great trade asset next year, especially if he plays well. Big expiring contract but he can also contribute to any team. I do agree, Scenario A is not that bad lol.

It’s not as good as B though.

If gettn Paul hinders our chance of gettn Melo….we simply cannot make a deal.Period!There are currently 5 dominant SUPERstar players(Bron,Wade,Howard,Bryant,Melo)CP3 is a top PG,but is not in that teir…..u must get Melo….He is just as much in play(because of his non-comittment to Denver)as Paul(NO property for 2yrs)

Melo is a better scorer. CP3 is a better player. Better player wins.

when anthony declines the contract extension offered to him..then he will be in play….maybe!!
Paul is in play for sure…..and I think Paul is a superior all around player to Melo anyways

I agree that Okafor the player makes the Knicks a better team. Okafor’s contract is a different story. There’s no question that CP3 is the real deal.

If we don’t get Okafor, we can still get Melo, and I’d rather have Melo. Once we’ve got Okafor’s contract, we’re mostly set with our team for the next three years. The only other change that we could really make is to trade Felton, and we would probably want a shooting guard who can nail the 3 pointers.

Until Felton could be traded, our starting 5 might be this:
CP3
Felton
???
Amar’e
OK4

If we keep just AR or Gallo (and I would pick AR), our starting 5 would be this:
CP3
Felton
AR (or Gallo)
Amar’e
OK4

If we keep both AR and Gallo, our starting 5 could be this:
CP3
Gallo (3 on defense)
AR (2 on defense)
Amar’e
OK4

Now, we can trade Felton to fill a hole, but not two. In the scenario where we gave up both AR and Gallo, trading Felton means that we need both a shooting guard and a small forward.

I don’t want the Knicks to become like the Utah Jazz when they had a great 1 and 4, but couldn’t win a title. That’s what I think that giving up AR and Gallo, while taking in Okafor’s contract will do.

should of gotten RATLIFF then

This is all posturing right now. Melo and Chris Paul have done what is needed should they want to leave. Unless their teams deliver, and it might not matter, they will leave or be moved. In Melo’s case he is well positioned to be the other superstar in the east elites, including Wade, Howard and I think that will happen. All that needs to happen is NY has a good season and the nuggs can’t make it again.

Chris Paul WILL NOT BE MOVED before the season. This is his way, as trailblazed by Lebron, of justifying forcing a move in NO. Of course he is talking to Melo and they are just stirring the pot to get things moving the way they want them.

Patience.

Walsh will get in on this when it becomes advantageous. Right now, it’s not worth it. Why not develop our chips, grow their value in this system that netted Lee an 80 million dollar contract and bring that to bear when our versatility becomes a major advantage. In 6 months people will be fighting to get at Ill Will, Gallo and Randolf. Amare has brought the spotlight back and the trade value of these guys is gonna skyrocket. You can’t justify bringing these guys in to your fans and thats where the problem lies. Not to mention that if our new pg makes it happen like i think most of us think he will we will have 4 pieces that teams will be drooling over come december. Why deal from need now, when we can deal from power then. DWill, Parker are not the worst if they don’t come with okafur, and DWill might be better because he isn’t connected to Riley’s rats the same way.

I hope we get CP3 but not if Okfur is involved. In this system it will be like taking Curry back for 4 more years. NO WAY.

Is he healthy?

CARMELA isn’t a superstar he’s a halfer star

i’m not him i don’t know

I read an interesting blurb, I don’t remember where, maybe on Truehoop, about this whole situation.

The point that was made was that NO is in a good situation as far as leverage is concerned. They can just sit back quietly(like the Lakers did with Kobe a few years ago) and force Paul to come out and publicly demand a trade. That’s a big step for a guy like Paul to take, especially one as involved in his community and NO as Paul is. And I’m pretty sure Paul is no Lebron.

If they allow Paul to come out publicly, that changes the public perception of the whole thing and NO can go about repairing their image as a victim of an immature star. There’s really not much else Paul can do honestly. He either comes out and publicly demands a trade and becomes relatively hated in his beloved NO area, or that’s really it. NO can just sit back and wait while Paul continues to leak stuff to the media(if that’s what is actually happening). Because none of this has really been confirmed yet.

Anyway, I find that interesting..

u should be watching the games dude,i seen the games gordon hit all the big shots,gordon was also uconn leading scorer his last 2 years,watch the games dude with 2 eyes if u got 20/20 vision

SUPERSTARS make all nba first team CARMELA has yet to do that

I’m a UConn die hard, believe me I watched the games. If you watched the games you’d know that Okafor muscled UConn through that tourney, on both sides of the floor. Gordon hit shots but Mek got rebounds, blocks and points in the paint.

Straight up, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

thats a no brainer,but the CARMELA fans seems to think CARMELA isn’t AL heavy

lmao Still waiting as of now we over paid for Amare & Felton but I can understand the thought process. But so far have not seen one incredible thing! If CP3 ends up in Orlando & Melo extends in Denver it will just be another moment where it has to be said “OH MAGOO YOU DONE IT AGAIN!” lol.

BTW If CP3 ends up in Orlando Florida becomes the Mecca of basketball!!

The Fact is…no matter what the CBA does…if we involve a 3rd team to take Ok4 & we get Paul ….Carmelo is definitely coming here

Exactly. Right now there is absolutely nothing to talk about other than to position ourselves for when there is. If by some chance NO trades Paul with 2 years left on his contract they will only do it if its justifiable to their fanbase. YOU DO NOT TRADE SUPERSTARS WITH MULTIYEAR CONTRACTS. Paul is playing a dangerous game. The good news for him is that no matter what happens, I don’t think he can do anything as publicly stupid as Le Chucky Cheese. He has people talking and maneuvering for him now. I think we get paul eventually, but we do it when this team starts overachieving and ESPN starts spotlighting the new gunslingers in NY. If we don’t who cares, I’m sick of players pulling this stuff. He’s good but these guys have no class. I would rather wait for DWill right now. Or Carmelo. He could have put himself on the market this offseason and he honored his contract.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68318/20100723/hornets_want_okafor_included_in_any_paul_deal/

after much number crunching the Cavs could try to validate Dan Gilbert’s letter of a champion by helping the knicks get paul, they get Okeafor for Varejao and the knicks have 16,177,595 dollars to spend on player to put around CP3 and Amare…who ever that might be come FA

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ejszdk

and get rid of delonte west who they have been shopping

Exactly.

I guarantee that the guys that play the game with him disagree with you. Having chatted it up with a couple recently they would laugh at you for saying that.

Cleveland might go for this wif you give em randolf.

I think NY being mentioned as a possible spot to land premiere talent is an amazing achievement considering where we were.

Do you think D-west could make it in NYC? I’m a fan of his game on the court, off the court that dude is bonkers. JJ Hickson has looked great in summer league making Varejao expendable.

On a side note, this would be a nice F-you to Lebron. “We struck out on Queen James, but we will gladly accept the player who was smashing his mother all of last season”.

We can go over the cap to resign our own players

You’re an idiot.

well be more that his contract is expiring but yeah it would be funny not to mention

Mo Williams
Wilson Chandler
Antwan Jamison
Anthony Randolph
Emeka Okeafor

is a team the probably could make the playoffs

+1 Parker was a perfect fit for Pop’s game with an all timer in the middle. Felton has the potential to be a perfect fit for Dantoni’s system with an elite big in the middle. With some shooters around them, I think Felton deserves a shot. Remeber when Duhon first hit the system. Then he remembered that to take his Wellbutrin and there were rainbows everywhere for him.

knicks get paul
nets get randolph okafor
hornets get currys expiring, chandler

maybe if the hornets get derrick favors but hard to see the nets giving up favors only to get a players thats older has the same or less star potential and get a player to play brook lopez position

That is the team that can take Miami to 7 games… and win!

knicks get paul, keep gallo and curry expiring

pacers get okafor, randolph, azubuike (randolph to pair with granger and ford as a good young nucleus, okafor to sure up post d, azubuike as a throw in to make salary fit)

hornets get murphy(expiring for cap relief), chandler ( good young player), Turiaf (to fill in Okafors role with murphy), and jones (a center from the pacers who also is salary filler)

Hornets get cap relief after season with a good player in murphy for the year, and chandler, draft picks as well

knicks get paul, get to keep gallo and currys expiring for a potential run at melo (opt out of mozgov plus expiring curry)

pacers make out pretty good as well
get randolph to pair with granger and ford who areny capable of winning without granger developing a little more anyways gives time for randolph to emerge a little more
okafor underneath for interior d
and azubuike to back up granger and play a little 2

works on trade machine and a hell of a lot better than my retarded nets three way (forgot about lopez why would nets want okafor even without lopez)

emeka did his thing don’t get me wrong but gordon was a bigger part for there success,emeka has regressed in the nba though for sure

yea BLACK i understand the thought process but so far MR MAGOO gets a c-

not bad but why would the paul be given up purely for cap space…they are the team that need to rebuild.

rebuild with cap space, chandler and a free agent next year, they arent looking to erbuild overnight, looking for financial relief and get a young player in chandler, i think people overestimate the hornets hand here
if paul wants out and yuo either keep him unhappy and lose him for nothing with free agency ina few years, you get nothing except a wasted few years you could be rebuilding

kinda like santana when he came to the mets, i know baseball is different entirely with the no cap cap small market big market deal but its the same concept. the twins had no bargaining power and had to get nothing or a chance at prospects who were overvalued
the hornets can take the space and a shot on chandler or take two more mediocre seasons with an unhappy paul, their choice

knowledge what up ….the dude you guys are describing is nomore ..that’s what I’m saying….and the amount of money is not worth it etc etc…

i like all the 3 team trade ideas, but i dont know if any team is dumb enough to take okafor’s contract, just to help out another team get a star.

Ive said this on another titled headline on KnicksBlog…….Get Okafur and trade him……There are so many teams who want and need centers……..Trade him to sacramento for dalambert…..He’s a frre agent next summer……….Trade him to detroit for Ben gordon….. and maybe Tayshaun if we give up Danillo…….Tayshaun is also a free agent next summer……….Those are just examples…….This is NYC……One thing we have is HUSTLE BABY!……..It can go down a million different ways.