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tommy dee

in response to your “stephen a smith nailed the trio.”

anybody and everybody in the media can throws enough sh*t at the wall, eventually something will stick. i give that loser no credit whatsoever he had no proof, sources, or educated logic, he was just throwing more sh*t at the wall.

AlexKennedyNBA:

“Lakers begin contract negotiations with Derrick Caracter. If the two sides don’t reach a deal, the Nuggets and Knicks are interested.”

Couldn’t the Lakers only offer him the league minimum, since their salary cap is almost 100 mil? That would be cool if we could steal him from them.

I don’t get it, wasn’t Caracter a draft pick this year? Don’t see how we’d be able to sign him unless the Lakers renounced his rights, which I doubt they will

Sources: Paul prefers Magic to Knicks

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5405528&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5405528

From ours truly Chris Broussard LMAOOOO!

Scumbag Broussard.

CP3 may very well prefer Magic to Knicks, but does he think that people don’t see right through his anti-NY propoganda.

If the Celtics were involved in James or CP3, believe you me, this ***-sucking ****** Broussard would be claiming 100% to the Celtics.

if we were the Boston Knicks, this ***-sucker would be claiming CP3 to us.

If it comes from Broussard, you know it’s legit…

Sike.

I would love to get DC! This Cat is Oakley 2.0! And like i will continue to say until some of these thick headed bloggers get it “NO REBOUNDS NO RINGS!”

Anybody remember when KG didnt want to go to Boston.

ESPN was all over it, saying he could be convinced to go to Boston.

And also, does anybody remember there not being another team in the KG sweepstakes. It was just the Celtics. As ESPN wanted it.

Kevin McHale also thought his intentions were not transparent.

I couldn’e have said it any better…

**couldn’t have

in response to “anybody and everybody in the media can throws enough sh*t at the wall, eventually something will stick.”

In this video, I see flashes of Oakley:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdjbww_draft-preview-derrick-caracter_sport

How do you know he had “no sources”?

“Anybody remember when KG didnt want to go to Boston.

ESPN was all over it, saying he could be convinced to go to Boston.

And also, does anybody remember there not being another team in the KG sweepstakes. It was just the Celtics. As ESPN wanted it.

Kevin McHale also thought his intentions were not transparent.”

Does anybody remember KG going to the Celtics?

Chris Broussard can kiss my ***. I understand the ideology behind acquiring Chris Paul, however, I really want to see what this current team can do. I want to see what Felton and Randolph do in our system. Chris paul is an all nba first team selection, but if we going to purge our roster for him I m not down. I rather wait and see how things play out and keep curry’s expiring contract for a position we need or until felton becomes tradable.

Second Isiah did bury this team, but he didn’t trade EWING ,or resign him over shaq, for glen rice & Luc Longely, did not trade NENE and Camby for a bum and would have drafted STAT, did not give Weatherspoon or eisley or Anderson long term contracts, did not trade Sprewell for Keith Van Horn, did not draft Freddie Weiss ovver artest, did not outbid himself by giving Houston a max contract or keep Don CHENEY around longer then he was allowed too. He was put in a hole where there was no way to go. I think its ironic the first time we missed the playoffs we could have drafted Stat and our line up would have been..

Ward
HOUSTON
SPREWELL
STAT
CAMBY

…now we signed him….lets do this right…

Lol #1 I think Chris Broussards report is BS. #2 even if he is 100% correct, it doesn’t matter at all. Chris Paul is not a free agent, therefore he cannot choose his team. If the Knicks offer the best package he will go to the Knicks. If Orlando offers the best package he will go to the Magic. If another team offers the most in return, he will go there. This is all assuming that NO is even willing to trade him. There is no #1, #2, and #3 option. He is NOT a free agent.

Honestly, as much as I hate it; it does make sense.

What would the Magic offer along with Carter? Nelson, a Pietris, filler and draft picks? Would that be enough for New Orleans being that they want to get younger? Carter surely won’t help them with that.

Agreed.

To be fair, they’re saying Orlando is his #1 preference not “option”.

I don’t see why they wouldn’t want to trade him though. I mean, I understand the business aspect, that he’s the face of the franchise, and they need him to sell tickets, but from a basketball standpoint, it might be a good move for them. Collison is a very good PG, and I honestly think that he will be just as good as Paul, if not better. Unload Paul’s big contract, acquire young talent and expiring contracts, and they have more money to rebuild. In a year or two, they could become a contender again.

Doesn’t make any sense for a team thats rebuilding. COLLISON is their PG of the future if CP3 leaves. I don’t see why they would want Nelson, Pietrus isn’t very good, and VC is just an expiring contract. How is that better than a 21 year old future all-star in Randolph or one the best young shooters in the league in Gallo. Plus, SF is a much greater need than SF. The Magic deal makes no sense at all. They don’t have any assets.

Yup, if NO’s dumb enoguh to make the trade, they’re the ones who decide what team they’ll be negotiating with. For all we know he ends up in Milwaukee.
From where I look at it, Orlando can make a better offer (including a working expiring contract in VC for cap relief) + picks we lack.

I think NO either want prospects or to dump Okafors contract, if Orl includes VC then they can take back both contracts I believe.

I told u guys yesterday the mAgic had the better pieces

Still, it doesn’t make a difference. CP3 can’t choose where he goes. He isn’t Eli Manning! Lol I don’t think Orlando has anyone who NO would want anyway. Collison is their PG of the future. Why would they want Jameer Nelson who is older and more expensive?

All i want for Christmas is Gallo turning back and cursing LBJ in Italian the same way he did with KG. Stoudemire destroying Bosh and dying to see Pat riely ” the used old car salesmen” fire his coach to get one more ring.

HAS

the point is, they werent throwing out other teams names in the case of KG because it was the Celtics, as this scumbag Broussard would rather throw the name of an NBDL team as the destination for a James or CP3 than the Knicks.

If these 2 guys had any real opportunity to go to the Celtics, this scumbag Broussard and every other ESPNer would be claiming it was a done deal to the Celtics, with no other team involved.

Who do they have? I don’t think they have anyone that NO wants. The only advantage they would have is the ability to eat up Okafors contract, which they might not even be willing to do since they have Howard. Collison will be WAY better than Jameer Nelson. Orlando has NOBODY.

Well, if cap relief’s more important for them, Orlando can absorb Okafor’s contract without flinching, and should they want to, they can take on Posey’s as well.
If they’re really serious about a rebuilding process, logic indicates that they’ll want young, cheap pieces with upside + expiring contract.
I think it’ll come down to (if this trade can actually happen) is if Walsh has the stones to take on Emeka and if he’s willing part ways with Gallo, AR, Chandler, Douglas, etc (or whatever NO wants).

They’re not reporting whether or not he can “choose where he goes” or whether “Orlando has anyone who NO would want” they’re reporting that his #1 preference not exactly out of the realm of possibility.

that Orlando is*

I still dont see what are the better pieces biggie..Portland has the best pieces if they included ALRIDGE …

Would the Magic really want to take on Okafors contract? He wouldn’t play at all with Dwight Howard at C. Plus, its not like they even need a PG. I guess if ALL NO is looking for is cap relief, AND the Magic agree to take on Okafors contract, AND the Knicks won’t agree to take on Okafors contract, AND the Hornets are fine with not getting any young talent back it makes sense. I really don’t see it though.

Their job isn’t “throwing out other teams names” in order to appease us as fans. The job they have is to report according to their sources which they hope are accurate. If their sources told them the Celtics and that’s what they reported and they ended up being correct I don’t understand why people’s panties are in a bunch that they didn’t report some other team as the frontrunner. At the end of the day. . . they were right.

Okafor can move to the 4 and they’d kill everyone in the paint.
Orlando can provide proven pieces ready to bring results, while this team can offer unproven cheap talent that may not be ready to provide results.
The differences are pretty clear, but you can’t underestimate Orlando’s assets, since evreything they can offer is experienced playoff talent (Nelson, Gortat, VC) + cap reielf

That’s a lot of “ANDs” haha

So would a Paul, Gallo, Stat trio. That would be leathal…

You can’t rule them out as well, but I don’t know if they’re willing to part ways with Aldrige.
Paul, Roy and Oden would make a killer team.

Broussard’s on ESPN Radio now…

And my point is that even IF Orlando is his #1 preference, it won’t affect the Knicks chances of getting him. As long as he is willing to play for the Knicks, the Hornets will trade him there if they offer the better package. Never said him preferring Orlando over New York was out of the realm of possibility.

Yeah, A big bruising Cat who loves the trenches (paint), muscling everyone, using his body and hauling in rebounds. He would be the perfect backup to Amare, playing against Miami and Pittman, and to remove him from LA’s roster and their already huge front line when in 2-3 years we may have to play them in the finals would be brilliance on Walsh’s part!

Lol thats my point.

One thing is what we, as a fanbase see, and what the NO’s brass sees, which, suffice to say, are very different things.
I do think that we (and I include myself) have a strong tendency to overvalue our players, which can sometimes blind the more realistic possibilities.

Don’t they have Rashad Lewis? He fits their system much better than Okafor.

Miller and Gallo will probably be matched up against each other so let him punk Miller while AR is punking LBJ!

Very true, but like we’ve talked about, it comes down to how badly you want a certain player on your team.

Randolph and Gallo have WAY more value than anyone Orlando has to offer. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that. People have been saying that Randolph was a future all-star WAY before he came to the Knicks. And Gallo may never be an all-star, but I think its safe to say that he will be an above average starter in this league.

Jameer Nelson can EASILY be spun off to any team looking for a cheap young all star point guard

Plus they can easily take EO AND posey and make great use of both to compete with the Heat

Size is what you need to beat the three queens

I think that the Knicks definitely have more to offer. It just depends on how much they are willing to offer. If both teams go all out, I think the Knicks have the upper hand. Thats just my opinion.

this dush of broussard now is saying cp3 to magic, and to me is finaly great news, i’m with bill, i want no part of this “super stars” i want us to grow the players we have into good players capable to win 50 games, maybe win a couple of series or maybe a chip..i want them home grown, our own players, no more begging to this selfish pricks that think that they are the only one that can put the ball on a hoop.
Knicks fans should embrace the players we have, this game is about having confidence and if we as fans back this guys up, MSG and this season could be special…

Rasheed wouldn’t a dynamite 3 with EO at the4 and DH12 at 5

HAS

They dont care about accuracy. Never have. Not that they have any real control over where anybody goes, but they have sources in the industry that can influence the decision of others by the their reporting of pro-Boston and anti-NY propaganda.

At this point I could care less what Broussard says. It doesn’t change the fact that he’s anti-NY. That is his mantra. I also dislike Adrian Wojnarowski, but it seems he’s onto something with the last two articles he wrote about the collusion and now about CP3.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At0wBsRwIhuCV2TrD6EAS1a8vLYF?slug=aw-paulfuture072310

I wouldn’t put it past Lebron and his people to orchestrate this fiasco with CP3. Lebron and now Wade are getting bad press for their actions this last month. Then Paul requests a trade with the Knicks as one of the preferred destinations. One would figure Lebron mentioned he loved the NY fans; but now doesn’t want to be booed by them after doing what he did to New York pulling that reality show called “The Decision”. So he and his people “support” CP3 in making a decision for him and his family. And now Orlando is his preferred destination. Geez, I guess the 0% city and state tax play a role now. If I’m the Knicks, I say no to Paul. Paul now looks more like a follower and not a leader. If he goes to Orlando, Lebron and his cronies will have their way with him.

they are also sources that can form or change opinions also.

I’m not saying the opposite. I also believe that AR has all star potential with the right development and Gallo still has a lot to show, but I’m just trying to look at it from the other side.
Unproven cheap talent (Gallo + Randolp), proven playoff players (Nelson + VC). Logic doesn’t always apply in this business, and this past offseason has been more than enoguh proof of that.

Do any of you guys really think the Hornets are going to do Paul any favors? They are going to accept whatever deal helps their team the most. This “report” by Broussard doesn’t mean anything, even if its true. It shouldn’t change anyones opinion on where he will go.

I dontwant to MAyBe win a chip

I’ll do anything to win

I concur.

also, they are not trying to appease any fans, they are trying to control the story themselves and push players in one direction – towards the Boston team – and away from another direction – away from New York.

For example, just go back and look at all the sources of ESPN during CC Sabathia and Teixeira. They both ended up in NY, but all the sources had Tex and Sabathia going everywhere else but NY, with Tex going to the Red Sox.

When Tex did not go to the Red Sox, Peter Red Sox season ticket holder Gammons took a personal affront and insulted Tex’s wife.

At this moment if Paul was going to be traded by monday night.

Orlando can offer : Nelson, bass, pietrus, and carter( for cap reasons).

Blazers: Miller & przybella ( cap reasons), bayless, Fernandez, Oden, and Alridge.

Knicks: Curry ( Cap reasons), Gallo, Chandler, Dougless.

Best offer: Blazers by a milestone.

Let’s hope they don’t. At this point Maverick Carter and Leon Rose are trying to influence the Hornets into trading Paul. I wonder now if Paul truly wants to leave, or if Mav and Rose are just throwing it out there so that we forget about what Lebron and the two stooges and their coup to Miami crap.

Why the heck would Orlando trade Nelson and take back bad contracts, Nelson is one of the best PG’s the NBA, yea he’s not CP3 but he’s damn close, ill take Nelson on my team any day.

I hear what you are saying, but NO would be in “rebuilding” mode if they trade Chris Paul. Vince Carter 33 and an expiring contract, and the Hornets love Collison. I can’t imagine that this would be an impulse decision. It would have to be a long, thought out process. I can’t imagine they would come to the conclusion that they would rather have Nelson + Carter than Gallo, Randolph, or Chandler. Also, I haven’t heard anyone say that NO likes what the Magic have more than the Knicks. That just all the BS coming from the so called “experts” at ESPN.

“chris paul also realizes that orlando has much more to offer new orleans in a trade and therefore believes it is a more realistic destination than New York”

Quote from Broussard

That’s not Paul saying that, that’s Broussard. He’s putting his own spin on CP3.

all they can offer is the loser vince carter and jameer nelson. that’s their offer. so vince has 1 year on his deal of guaranteed money. we can offer eddy curry and take back okafor. jameer nelson, please…

“Collison is a very good PG, and I honestly think that he will be just as good as Paul, if not better.”

If you think that Collison will be just as good as CP3 and maybe better, Your reality is not even “abstract” its “adhoc”, and i hate to tell you but basketball is “apart” from its reality!

I agree that the Blazers could offer the best package. It all depends on if they would be willing to include Aldridge though. I think the Knicks could offer the second best package.

“And my point is that even IF Orlando is his #1 preference, it won’t affect the Knicks chances of getting him.”

Where did I say it did?

My point was why is that every reporter is a “douche bag” scumbag” “idiot” etc. for reporting anything other than the Knicks are the stand alone favorite lol. Especially when they are just passing along information from their sources?

LMAO

LOL @ Broussard, seems like he gets revved up if there’s any mention of a star coming to NY, he hurry’s in to ESPN to plaster stupidity all over the network with his guessing games, he’s hilarious.

Jameer is an all star that can be spun elsewhere fir more assets

Pitrius (French) and Bass are good young pieces

So now not only does ESPN and their reporters “hate” the Knicks, but they also influence players decisions by reporting that they are going to teams they never wanted to go to.

Ok. I get it now.

Would you march into NO front office with Walsh and drop your pants down with him to your ankles and let them hose you for every young player we have?

sure. im not going to claim to be an expert on what is a better package. i am, however, an expert on ESPN and the rest of the media’s tactics trying to drive players away from NY. The entire Lebron time, ESPN continued conveying the message that Lebron could make as much money elsewhere as NY.

Nobody once mentioned Mark Messier. The guy won 5 Cups, comes to NY and wins one, and is the King of NY and forever a legend.

I wish the Knicks were smart enough to use Jeter and Messier to sell NY and the advantages of winning in NY. You win here, it’s unlike anywhere.

HAS

I havent been very clear, I’ve just been spouting one thing after another. So here goes in the interest of simplicity:

1. They hate New York.
2. They attempt to influence the decisions of players by controlling the story and putting out the ideas that they think will sway the decision against New York.

For example, in the Sabathia free agency, every ESPN reporter kept reporting how difficult it would be for CC to live on the East Coast, because he was a West Coast guy. They reported ad nauseum how the move to the East Coast would affect his pitching with the Yankees.

Listen, Im not here to cause problems. I hope we disagree amicably.

Messier was a legend in Edmonton

to say he was anything less until he got here is just homerism.

Absolutely, I agree with you on the ESPN speculation. It’s their specialty. But, if anything, it makes for an interesting discussion.
Who knows if they want to trade Paul, and if they do, no way to know what teams they’ll be interested in dealing with. So far it’s been just about the teams CP3 sees as possible destination, which is useless in business terms for NO.

The blazers would be stupid to involve aldridge.

LMAO.
They’re just playing around with the input their sources are giving them and analyzing in every way possible. It’s their job.
Personally, I could careless whether their opinions shoot down this team’s chances or leaves them as the best choice. If anything’s clear in this business is that no one can foresee what’s gonna happen until it goes down.

There’s a lot of variables that aren’t being handled in your scenarios.
For example, Orlando can include Gortat to try to absorb Posey’s contract and can include picks.
This team can offer a whole lot more than what you mentioned if they truly want Paul and are willing to take on Emeka except for picks (well, there’s the 2nd rounders and 2014 and 2016 1st).
You seem pretty much on point in Portland’s case.

If Paul wants a big 3, it ain’t happening in Orlando.
With a straight face, can anyone put together a package for the rebuilding Hornets that is better than what we can.

If the hornets want to rebuild it’s either us or the blazers.

“Hey hornets fans we traded our franchise player for the aging Vince Carter!”

or

” we traded our franchise player, but we go a potential star back in Anthony Randolph”.

Cynics hit me with some feedback.

Orlando’s got the contracts to absorb both Okafor and Posey’s contract should they want to. Jameer’s a great bonus for them and in terms of cap relief, it represents a great business opportunity for NO if they really want to trade Paul.

Completely agreed.
Messier was a multiple Stanley Cup winner and MVP before coming to the Rangers.
He didn’t become a legend just for what he did here, he only enhanced even further his already legendary legacy.

Agreed on your 1st point. If rebuilding’s your true goal, logic should point to Portland and us, but then again this business isn’t about logic (this offseason was proof of that).
Agreed with Randolph, and it’s a good point. For AR, the sky’s the limit barring injuries and given plenty of PT.
In terms of cap relief, VC’s a guy who can give you a consistent season (not spectacular, but consistent) plus the much coveted cap relief that VC’s huge expiring contract represents.
On the other hand, for NO fans, should the FO’s desire for rebuilding mean giving up their franchise player even if they get a potential like AR?
I don’t know how Hornet fans would receive news like this.

Co-signed.

The problem is that CP3 can leak this information or those ridiculous people he has working for him, and create a climate that will necessitate him being traded. No team will even consider throwing value NO’s way if they know that he walks after the contract is up. He can choose the teams that he would be traded to through this propagandist way of doing business. He’s setting up for a move and Stern has already shown no willingness to bring his league to order. NO is gonna get jammed hard and the only way this stuff stops is with a new CBA. He wants to push out now before he gets labelled a franchise player.

i still dont think Jameer is a piece the NO wants … why trade a stud point guard who is making 13mil when you dont want to pay him … while taking back a lesser PG who makes 7 mil ?
they want VERY cheap and expiring alternatives along with draft picks … the lack of draft picks will hurt us more than anything here … no way a deal for paul gets done without a 3rd team

alex also said that the knicks signed ramon sessions(last summer)the knicks were signing LBJ (like 2 days before he picked miami)the knicks were locks to sign AI,plus hes only 15 yrs old

SIKE?

yes Trey Wingo is the sole reason that Matt Barnes signed with the Lakers

the only reason Lebron is in Miami,is that he read this blog!

lol @ the Blazers trading Oden AND Aldridge. No shots, but that is delusional. Obviously Blazers by a milestone, but if you’re looking at it realistically:

Blazers give: Miller, Pryzbilla, bayless, Rudy, piece(maybe Batum), and picks

which is not better than: Curry, Gallo/Randolph(i prefer AR to go personally), Chandler, Douglas, picks

Nelson and VC over Randolph, Chandler, Douglas(all young players). Knicks get the edge future-wise.

+1

Just because we want a Paul, doesn’t make us the ideal trade partner. I agree with Has’ points, what Broussard is saying may not be what we want to hear, but Orlando is a top 3 team in the East and the Knicks did not make the playoffs the last couple of years, so can you blame Paul or Paul’s people for relaying Orlando as his preference?
Also if you’re NO, I think you want some sort of marquee name to that lineup while saving money. So if you can get Nelson/Carter or Oden/fillers that looks much better than Gallo/AR/Chandler or Curry.

If it was the case, I wonder who would get let go to make room for Caracter…

im with a few guys on the comment of let the Knicks build themselves into Winners..and stop chasing the Golden Ticket Chasing the Golden Ticket crippled the NY Knicks Franchise for Years – NY Knicks is the place where washed up talent goes is been proven …the only Impact players we got pass their primes were Larry Johnson and Latrell Sprewell ..New York has a Core of players now that can Compete and finally Stay in the WIn Collumn
- Chasing these Superstars shows NY Knicks as shallow groupies ..Lets Build that NY Tough Basketball Spirit 1st , then we can open the doors to players that can help what we started – as of start of the season the Knicks will be starting over
and with the lineup of promising talents i can see a Playoff Entry
- let Felton run the show ..let Stoudamire give opposition trouble..let Gallo shoot it from 30 ft out let Azubuke,Walker,and Chandler Slash and Shoot and Defend
Let Mosgov block shots and rebound..Let Rautins learn his sharpshooter mentallity , Let Fields and Toney Douglas Loose on backcourts ..Let Randolph Electrify the Garden with Turiaf Eating Rebounds and let Mike D’antoni have fun now with Letting these guys WIN instead of Treading Water for the last 2 years

lol hes 19

not really, knicks have no draft picks but the magic have draft picks in the 20s

hornets also have absolutely no desire to take on the contracts of the players the magics would trade. jameer nelson for example got paid 8 mil this year. they have collison, no need to pay a backup that.

knicks have younger, cheaper players. exactly what N.O, a team desperate to save money, would want.

A part of me agrees with that.

We have never seen Felton play in a up tempo system since college and he’s only 25. CP3 is the man , I admit but he just got off an injury and while he is great, the assets we will give up will balance it out. If Duhon can rack up 7 assists with no talent. Felton can rack up 8+ with talent.

Gallinari is 21, and while yes Anthony is GREAT and all. Where would he play if we land him next year. This system NEEDS shooters on this squad and for that reason alone. Gallo will always have a spot to start.

I think if we are looking for a “star” it should be in the Shooting Guard position. Like Danny Granger, along those lines. A guy that can shoot,defend and carry a team in stretches.

CP3= Felton/Turiaf/Randolph/Wilson in stretches.
Anthony is better then Gallo any day of the week, but chemistry issues is what I am concerned with.

I really don’t know if the Knicks should go make a move or just wait. I just hope chemistry is involved in the though process, not just getting the “names” for a big 3. While the Heat are great, Boston is great.

But we have an opportunity, to form a Piston in 04 kind of team, pure balance attack..similar to the Knicks in 70′.