The Paul Timeline

Wait a minute Tommy, the Knicks have assets???

I think this is a no-brainer, even with Okafor’s contract. I love Melo just like very other Knicks fan but it is a pipe dream. He is not going to leave all of that money on the table with the new CBA to be negotiated and the uncertainty of a lock out. If Walsh can get the Hornets to agree to a trade, we would definitely get Paul. Waiting for Melo could result in the same way it did when we waited for LeBron. Too much uncertainty there and nothing id definite.

On a side note regarding the CP3 trade, getting Okafor is not a terrible thing for the Knicks. He averaged 13 ppg with 10 boards and 2 blocks. Aren’t those stats very similar to Joakim Noah’s production? Everyone was saying that Noah would be a huge attraction for LeBron to come to Chicago last month. We would be getting similar production from a player that would be a great fit next to Amare’. The 4 years and 52 million left on Okafor’s contract won’t look so bad after next season when the Bulls lock up Noah to a bigger contract.

I’m getting so sick of hearing about Paul. I thought that after LeBron signed, this circus would be over. Sorry, but how many fricken “lists” are there in the NBA? Its amusing when ESPN analysts make it seem like every player has a list which is constantly changing. If Paul would rather play for the Orlando, thats fine. But can we please just say that instead of talking about some imaginary list?! The guy is UNDER CONTRACT for two more years. Its amusing when people make it sound like he is choosing his destination. I don’t even think he is going to get traded… But if he is traded, he can’t choose his destination.

i strongly disagree with a plan to “wait and see” what Melo decides to do before going full bore after CP3

if the opportunity presents itself to get an All Star First team ALL NBA 25 year old Point guard you empty the cubbord (sp?) of all flexibility and go for it.

“Regardless, the Knicks have some assets and are not rushing into any deals either way.”

I dont see how/why not…they are not in a position of strength to dectate things either way(a little leverage maybe but they shouldn’t get gassed)….once again only guys like Jerry West,Riley, and Thorne pull off lop sided trades that will allow them to get both CP3 and Melo….dudes better make a move…….the more time that goes by the more teams will be available to be even more aggressive…we just seen this on draft night…….

I think what some in the media forget is that it’s not up to Paul. Dell Demps has to do what is best for NOLA, not what’s best for Paul. If Orlando has the best package in his view, then so be it. If Portland and Dallas have the better packages then fine by me. And if it’s New York, then great.

I don’t think people should get focused on the list that Paul wants but where the best packages can be made, that’s to include the entire NBA, not just the 3/4 teams that have been mentioned.

The only person, IMO, that is in a power of position is Dell Demps, that’s it.

Cupboard*

What Paul wants doesn’t matter at all. The Hornets can trade him to the Nets if they wanted to

+1
Pauls “list” doesn’t make a difference.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Even though I think Paul in Orlando with Howard would be great, I disagree with the statement that Orlando can put together a better package than the Knicks.

Exactly.

“What Paul wants doesn’t matter at all. The Hornets can trade him to the Nets if they wanted to”

That’s true, but what team will want a disgruntled player on their roster that they have no chance at resigning?

A team that is owned by a clueless Russian billionaire.

I tend to agree, but it depends if NO is looking primarily for cap relief or assets. Orlando doesn’t have ANY young talent, but they could take Okafor and Posey’s contracts, even though I think that would be a bad move. The Knicks would have a hard time taking on Okafors contract (though it could be done) but they have much more young talent. Honestly though, I wouldn’t be willing to part with all of our young prospects AND take on Okafors awful contract. Thats too much. Paul is good, but he isn’t worth 30+ mil in contracts which aren’t expiring, AND 3-4 young talented players.

How’s his knee?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=263cf57

Graham86 is right. New Orleans management will decide who has the best assets that suit them. Personally I would clear the Knicks roster to get Chris Paul but I would not take Okafor in the bargain. Getting Paul without Okafor gives the Knicks a chance to get a Carmelo Anthony or some other rising star. Taking Okafor simply burdens the team with a liability for years to come. The Knicks have spent the last few years getting to flexibility. Let us not give away flexibility by making a bad trade. Melo is still in play after all. More opportunities will follow.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2brmpo3

For sh*ts and giggles

so let me get this straight..

a 25 year old top 3 PG in the league .. FIRST team ALL NBA.. FIRST TEAM all DEFENSE.. leader.. big shot taker has expressed a desire to come here and Donnie is gonna say “i’ll wait until Carmelo makes his decision before I make a serious move”?

O. M. G.

If CP3 really wants to choose where he wants to go, or join Melo in NY or somewhere else, he should man up and use his PO at the end of the season, and just sign anywhere outright….but it would never happen.

I doubt DW is that dumb to pass on any opportunity to get CP3. If they have to take on Okafur then so be it. Unless DW has a word of mouth from Melo to save room for him, he should just pull the trigger on the first chance he gets. Have the Knicks learned nothing from the Lebron debacle?

After reading all the Paulathon threads here (with my own input), I believe there’s a slight impasse between posters.
Many say that this team has more to offer than Orlando and is balanced with Portaland (how many calls did GS get for AR, Turiaf or Buike?; how many calls did we get for Gallo, Chandler or TD? Not to diminish our players, just saying what I’ve read and heard).
Then, others -including some of the same people that stated the above- say they wouldn’t part ways with Gallo and AR (or viceversa) and that they’d only do it if Emeka’s taken off the deal.
How good are these guys right now? Paul’s resume speaks for itself: superstar. A guy who can be the leading scorer + 10 dimes, 3-4 boards and 1-2 steals per. When are Gallo and AR together gonna be able to match up to that? No way to tell. Both their futures are a question mark. They’re good, and they have plenty of future and tons of potential, but for now that’s it. Emeka is a classic C/PF that can give you a double-double and protect the paint (and Amare) night in and night out. The only “hiccup” is that, like many, his contract’s not proportional to his production.
So, is a world class PG, an all star PF, an overpriced but consistent C enough to part ways with the bulk of our roster?
If you’re answer is no, then we don’t have the assets Orlando does (because hypothetically we wouldn’t give them), and if it’s yes, you’re ready to have a top tier PF and PG in your team (hypothetically, of course).

Let me know when I’m havin fun again..

If we r forced 2 give Gallo & AR [Damn thats a lot] n take back Okafor, then they hav2 giv us Peja’s expiring….If it makes any1 feel better we’d be givin up potential 4 established…

I think Paul might be nervous about Felton’s production this year. Sounds crazy doesn’t it? I know. I know. Where did I come up with such a carazay statement? Let’s just say I have a good feeling about the role players we have acquired and I think we would be carazay to deal them before their potential is realized. The Knicks’ system will work well for these players and I think Paul knows that. He’s worried that by the time his contract is up, the Knicks will have little interest due to Felton’s emergence, or a viable alternative to Paul(Parker, etc) will present itself. There is also the possibility that the Knicks are being used as leverage(again). Too many scenarios, and not enough is known about the current roster. If Paul can just hold his nut till December, then the Knicks can put together a more attractive deal to NO, and still have cap flexibility going into 2011.

I’ve already said this, but if NO is really asking for the starting point of conversations to be a team taking back Okafor’s contract, the Knicks should walk away if they are asking for both Randolph and Gallinari. I give up one of them to take back Okafor’s contract, but definitely not both.

Knicks are finally in a position of flexibility. There’s no need to mortgage everything right now when they can wait for the right offer to present itself.

He doesn’t have an option after this season. The guy signed an extension 2 years ago and now wants out now, that’s why he’s got no leverage to where he goes, if he goes anywhere.

this isn’t new in sports where a SuperStar has paid there dues and has a great relationship with everybody in the organization(most importantly the owner and there family)and asked out and was able to go to there destination of choice…what other teams are going to give up there assets young old w/e if CP3 doesn’t want to go there…the thing to be worry about is if teams do take the risk and he ends up loving it there if it’s on the East were screwed if it’s on the west then there screwed(why would they trade him in conference if he can come back to haunt them over and over again..wishful thinking but yet true)..but at the end of the day if we don’t get this dude and or Melo we pretty much might as well wait another 10 years before we actually have another legitimate shot at winning a Title again……

exactly……

If there’s one thing clear is that if CP3 is a tangible option, you take it. There’s no foreseeable certainty for Melo.

plus they both play the same position they cancel each other out and the dude that’s in front of them is our max guy..PF and SF is our position of strength whether there here or not(would prefer to keep 1 too)…this is STAT City for a reason and if we get a banger/bodyguard next to him it’s even better….

you have to save the trade first…

“Many say that this team has more to offer than Orlando and is balanced with Portaland (how many calls did GS get for AR, Turiaf or Buike?; how many calls did we get for Gallo, Chandler or TD? Not to diminish our players, just saying what I’ve read and heard).”

None of us know how many discussions took place. Most of the conversations that take place between teams don’t get leaked.

“Emeka is a classic C/PF that can give you a double-double and protect the paint (and Amare) night in and night out. The only “hiccup” is that, like many, his contract’s not proportional to his production.”

He is not a PF/C. He is JUST a C. He is not athletic enough to play PF and doesn’t shoot. His contract is also much more than just a hiccup. He is an average C (at best) and is paid like an elite C. He has one of the worst contracts in the league. Also, he has a history of injuries. He has been healthy over the last couple seasons, but he was always injured with the Bobcats. Also, the whole “double-double” thing is overrated. Earl Barron averaged a double-double. Also, any C that you put next to CP3 is going to average one. That doesn’t mean much. Okafor is NOT an above average C. He is a very good shot blocker, but he is only an average scorer, defender, and rebounder. He is also a couple inches shorter than most teams would like their center to be.

exactly..been stating the same…I actually know your selling CP3 short on the boards category……but all good….

+1

I get where you’re coming from. In fact, it was a point I argued myself a couple of days ago. It was biggie who said it, ¿why do you have flexibility? }If it doesn’t go now with the supposed CP3 trade, it’ll be gone if Carmelo is signed as a FA. It’s gonna go somehow, sometime. The thing is, how are you willing to use it? Are you gonna want flexibility forever?

Well most teams cannot afford taking Paul, because they would have to take back Okafor

Why would Detroit trade Prince (1 yr) for EO (4 yrs)?

I’d take CP3 and EO in a hearbeat. Although his contract may be overpriced, he’s not Eddy Curry. He could actually play…defend, rebound, block shots.

If the opportunity to get CP3 presents itself, you gotta go for it.

lol…come on

yeah seriously.

I’d take him in a heartbeat even if it means taking Okafor (as I mentioned above, he’s not Eddy Curry-he could actually play and help our defense).

Yes it will, but for example with the Carmelo signing we would still have our young assets and we would still not have wasted cap space on Emeka Okafor. We would be in a much better situation.

The reason why I think it’s so important to maintain flexibility is that it gives you the chance to wait for the right offer to present itself. I understand that Randolph or Gallo for Paul and Okafor is the “right offer”. I would do that in a second. But both of them: That doesn’t seem right to me. We have flexibility, we can wait. We don’t have to engage in Isiah trades of the past.

One thing we are forgetting is that if we wait and Paul signs with Orlando for 2 years and next year Melo is a free agent… Where do you think Melo would go??? It is hard to turn down a BIG three of Paul Melo and Howard in Orlando. Howard, Melo and Paul is greater than Amare, Melo, and Paul. So if we don’t move on this Paul opportunity we may get left with a frustrated Amare with no superstar help. So we might have to trade for him now and have a “big two and Company” instead of a “Big one and Company”. We have to decide now because we will be the Atlanta Hawks if we don’t get at least one more superstar.

“None of us know how many discussions took place. Most of the conversations that take place between teams don’t get leaked.”

True, but when they’re close to concrete we read about it. Did we know Lee was going to GS a couple of hourse before James’ tv drama? Yes
Did we hear about TMAC coming to NY in a Jeffries deal before hand? Yes Come on. If it affects this team, in some way or another, even it isn’t accurate, we have some idea about it.

“He is a very good shot blocker, but he is only an average scorer, defender, and rebounder”
I’m right there with you on the scoring part, but in defense terms, as well as boards and blocks, the guy does his job better than average imo. Plus, you ignore the importance of a strong C protecting your star PF.
And I made it very clear that his contract wasn’t proportional to his production.

“the whole “double-double” thing is overrated. Earl Barron averaged a double-double”
Well, if he wouldn’t have gotten those boards, would we’ve given up possession? Who else would’ve been there to get them? It’s given its merit for something. Lee’s numbers may’ve been padded, but those boards made the difference (even though most of them were defensive boards). To say a double-double’s overrated is stretching a little, I think.

You’re probably right. I just wrote the numbers I’ve seen him do on a regular night.

Actually, if we did get Melo through the FA, we’d have to renounce to a couple of players if we want to have the money to get him, so we would sacrifice youth to get Melo, just like we’d theoretically do with Paul.

I would LOVE to get CP3. The guy is THE BEST PG in the NBA. That said, I would NOT be willing to give up the entire team, AND take Okafors contract back for him. Paul is great, but he knee is definitely a concern. The Knicks can’t put themselves in a position where if he gets hurt again, the team is set back for the next 5 years because they have no financial flexibility, no young talent, no draft picks, and a bad roster. CP3 is very good, but he is not good enough to carry a team by himself. He needs to be surrounded with good players. I would take Okafor back, but not if it means giving up Randolph and Gallo. I would give up one, but not both. This team needs to have a good wing player.

Not to mention that his presence would protect a lot our all star PF. His contract is by no means acceptable, but he comes with a superstar, you just don’t say no to that.

The double-double thing was achieved by 8 players last year, so it’s not over rated. Only three went 20-10; Lee, Bosh, and Randolph.

Okafor went 10.4/9.1 last year and has played all 82 games the last three seasons. He would be a big upgrade for the Knicks over Turiaf, Currry, and Drago.

We’d have to renounce Chandler right? That’s it I think.

And we wouldn’t have to be paying Emeka Okafor close to max money.

I actually think the Hornets GM will look at his list before trading him, and the top 2 teams on his list are the Knicks and the magic IMO.

Portland’s trade for CP3 fell off and unless something changes, I do not see them getting him. Plus I find it hard to believe the Hornets will want to trade him a western conference team.

If the magic pull a trade, I doubt they would want jameer since they already have Collison for much cheaper.

If I were the knicks I would offer Randolph and Chandler while still taking Okafur.

Some deals are leaked, but I don’t think most are. Teams are constantly talking and discussing different scenarios. I remember hearing that many teams have asked about Gallo, but that Donnie Walsh wasn’t willing to include him in any deal. Obviously, that was before Paul was (maybe) available. Also, there have been plenty of trade rumors involving Randolph.

You make a good point about defensive centers protecting the PF. The thing is, a defensive C shouldn’t cost nearly 11 mil per year. Turiaf can do a fine job defending the paint, and he is only under contract for 4 mil over the next 2 years. I would take Okafor back under certain conditions, but he is definitely not an asset. He could help us out, but he would be untradadable until the final year of his contract. I wouldn’t be willing to give up our entire team AND take Okafor back for an elite PG with a history of injuries. If we do pickup Okafors contract, we need to keep either Gallo or Randolph. Otherwise if Paul gets hurt, we are going to have no young talent, no picks, no financial flexibility, and no way of improving the roster. We can’t put this team into another Curry/Marbury situation. Obviously, I’m not comparing Paul and Okafor to those guys as players. But if Paul gets hurt and we are stuck with Okafor for the next 5 years, it wouldn’t be all that different.

Any player can get injured at any certain period of time, it’s a risk of the sport. With Amare, Gallo, Felton, AR… They’re all under the same risk, regardless of their history.
I still agree on Okafor’s contract, it’s ridiculous, he’s no Dwight Howard, but that’s the price you pay for a superstar.
You can’t, by any means, put Marbury and Paul on the same level thoguh, that was just totally uncalled for.

most of that hoopsworld article is fill with kool aid.
me lebron an kobe had a talk b4 he signed with the heat an lebron said he would mos def sign with the clippers if kobe opted for a trade to the clippers an both said we are going to get the clips a ring…………

it’s so easy to make stuff up but it’s worse when fools believe everything thats printed/reported

Yup, and there’s a team option for Gallo, AR and Toney D as well.

Thats fair. And I would be willing to take Okafor back, but I wouldn’t be willing to give away all of our young guys as well. If we can keep either Gallo or Randolph than its all good. I think this trade is the most fair for both teams.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b95w6h

It would leave us with a lineup of:

Paul/Rautins
Felton/Walker
Gallo/Fields
Amare/Ewing Jr.
Okafor/Mosgov

I think Felton could be traded during the season for a SG.

It would leave the Hornets with a lineup of:

Collison/Douglas
Thorton/Azubuike
Randolph/Pondexter
West/Chandler
Turiaf/Brackins

Thats a pretty darn good young core.

it’s been reported/rumored that the Knicks are willing to give up any and every body for CP3 as well as Melo I’m sure….I wonder if these guys that are rumored to be traded this summer and or during the regular season will be affected by what’s going…I’m pretty sure if we don’t make the playoffs we will be force fed by antoni apologist talking out of the side of your necks probably saying that these guys weren’t part of the future…..we knew they weren’t in the long terms plans…how can you turn this group into winners when all but 1 player was expected to be traded it just doesn’t makes sense blah blah blah…ahaahahaha…if you have notice things haven’t changed much over the past couple of years….none of these guys are on long term contracts there’s no comfort level and they are from a losing organization as the ones that use to be on our team…they never played together as a group but your being told that were now a contender and we have the best package available.. .just wondering how things will be spun in the future if we don’t make the playoffs and no moves are made……HAHA……

Seems like a fair trade to me, if NO’s willing to go through with it, of course, I’d take it in a hearbeat.

i’ll call it rite now
the knicks will win 35-39 games an miss the playoffs by 1 2 games.

it’s danni boy’s first year with new players etc blah blah blah.

cp3 never had a convo with lebron about playing for the knicks

lmao,felton emergence as to being DUHON version 2.0.lmao.

This is an interesting read……

• Cap space is fool’s gold. A half-dozen teams spent two years developing major cap space, and in the end Miami was the only winner. The Knicks (Amar’e Stoudemire) and Bulls (Carlos Boozer) landed consolation prizes, and everyone else struck out.

Over two decades of unrestricted free agency, the results have been recklessly disappointing for teams with major cap space. Shaquille O’Neal remains the only major free agent to win a championship with his new club, having won three championships for the Lakers after signing as a free agent in 1996.

Four years after Shaq went to Los Angeles, Orlando thought it would be able to recruit Tim Duncan but wound up instead with Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill, whose injuries prevented the Magic from moving past the first round. Now the Heat hope they have created a dynasty around James, Wade and Bosh; even if it works, they will be the exception to the rule. Free agency rarely works out as planned.

Now teams with cap space are looking ahead to the summer of 2011, but how can they be certain of the future? No one can predict the rules of free agency that will be delivered by the ongoing negotiations between owners and players. Teams may have cap space in 2011 under the current system, but how can they say whether the same space will exist under the rules of the next bargaining agreement?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/07/23/countdown/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin#ixzz0ucvKNB24

need to consider…
Melo is considering NY heavily because his new wife is from here and has media/acting aspirations.

None of this word of mouth crap

That’s what the “coach” had from his dim sum lunches in Beijing with lebron and wade

Monty Williams, the new Hornets coach, was with the Blazers for years. Monty knows the Blazers players really well. He may want “his guys” like the Knicks pursued JJ and Amare. You hire a coach and you need to get him players he wants. So the Blazers may have a leg up.

I disagree. I don’t think I would make this deal if we have to take on Okafor AND trade Gallinari. If we can keep Gallo in this deal then I would absolutley take Okafor with Paul.

A starting 5 of say Paul, Azubuike/Chandler/Walker (whoever is left after the trade), Gallo, Amar’e and Okafor is a nice lineup. But if you take Gallo out of that mix, I don’t see them competing with the top teams in the East.

I honestly believe Gallo is going to be a star and would have a hard time parting with him.

4 years 52 mil is NOT elite center money

I hope that his wife convinces him to come to NY. I’m okay with a Melo, Amare, and Company. Plus we can keep Gallo and Randolph. Gallo and Randolph is a very good supporting cast to fall back on.

Exactly when did Isiah have assets to trade that would be similar to this go around?

Though he is the tops of steals…………One thing people are not factoring in…..Can CP3 really impose his will on the defensive end…….You guys really want to sell the house,b4 we even move in.If this doesn’t go down, what a way to buildup the support for the young guys….lol

This stuff is really laughable. None of our players are being thought of as any good (Amare excluded) because of our team past record. Yet the reverse is true for successful teams like Orlando or Portland. Their players are being grossly over valued.

Seriously WTF is Batum, he hasn’t even played 20 min/per for 100 games or so! how good can he be if they don’t even play him.

We won’t be able to get CP3 without giving up the whole team and then same. forget it! let’s start the season with what we have and let’s show that we can start winning with these players. Then you will see those player’s value go up tremendously.

Even if CP3 goes now, other stars will be on the block by the trade deadline. DW in utah who I prefer to CP3, Carmelo, even Redd might work. This is a trend.

LET’S BE PATIENT! we are not doing so badly.

I want my cake and eat it too!http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2drh2c9

If Orlando trades for CP3 they’ll be scary but there is no way in hell they’ll have room to sign Carmelo. Even if they can unload Carter’s contract as part of the deal they probably can’t move Lewis and there is no room for another max guy between Paul/Lewis/Howard.

Y is EVERYTHING have to be in a NEWYORK MINUTE? Is it not possible to develope a TEAM………The team was just put together 3wks ago.If it not a 50 win playoff team,why does there have to be a spin……Its a process. The last 2yrs was to get under the cap(get Lebron-which was unsuccessful),get talent and begin the process of winning…….With the talent collected and the flexibility,we can see what parts work and what doesn’t and have the ABILITY TO ADAPT.
We can relax and still get top tier players in the PROCESS!

Y is EVERYTHING have to be in a NEWYORK MINUTE? Is it not possible to develope a TEAM………The team was just put together 3wks ago.If it not a 50 win playoff team,why does there have to be a spin……Its a process. The last 2yrs was to get under the cap(get Lebron-which was unsuccessful),get talent and begin the process of winning…….With the talent collected and the flexibility,we can see what parts work and what doesn’t and have the ABILITY TO ADAPT.
We can relax and still get top tier players in the PROCESS!

Felton is quicker/tougher than Duhon. Felton is coming to the Knicks as a proven starter, Duhon did not.

Duhon was much more of a project than Felton. Also, Duhon didn’t have Amare.

*No CP3 Yet – Reasons for Waiting*
Knicks are not going to compete with the upper EastConf teams this year anyway.
Lets see how this current roster does, try to make the playoffs, and then target Melo in the offseason 2011… Melo’s Denver offer is sitting out there and he is not signing it for a reason. His wife wants to be in NYC (several reports have stated).
By waiting, In 2011…
- we will know more about Gallo & Randolph’s improvement
- we will see what we have in Felton (what if he fits perfectly in Dantoni’e system and we love him?)
- it will be 1 year closer until CP3 is a free agent. A time when he chooses his team and not his GM.

So lets not chase Miami, they are going to be dominant for several years. If we KEEP our young players (Gallo & AR) we will have something to build around and we will at least have youth on our side (both are 6&7 years younger then Wade and 4&5 years younger then LBJ)

I’m still waiting for ESPN to say that Melo has demanded a trade and has a short list of teams that he wants to play for. Once that happens and Paul is still up in the air it will make King Stern a very happy and richer man. This is the first time I can remember that the NBA has so much buzz with the Lebron Decision 2010 to the Heat award show with the 3 Kings, to now Paul wanting out and Melo still not signing the extension. What I like is that I feel the NBA is back to what I remembered it as ie Heat=Detroit Bad Boys as a hated team, Kobe= MJ, the Thunder, and if and only if we got a Melo who I would rather have or Paul your talking about competition at a fierce level. Their is no loyalty when you know you can’t win. Imo I call it the Barkley Ewing syndrome. Stay loyal, hope management builds a contender around you try to win it as the man. But if you lose then you will always hear didn’t get a ring or could not lead his team to get a ring. I would not give up the farm but it seems teams are building to win for many years to come now and I think DW should use Amare to talk Melo into wanting a trade and doing it because George Karl is recovering and that he needs a new start. I feel everything will be resolved in a month.

Do you give up Gallo and Randolph (along with Currys contract) if you dont take back Okafor?

we dont give up no one lets wait and see i think ar will fit nice in this system

consistent double double Centers(especially legitimate Centers) get double digit figures ..that’s how it goes…

Agreed.
My comments below exactly.

uumm I agree to a certain extent…I never said this was a playoff team THIS year but I believe so..theres some who deam this a playoff team and those are the same ones that are telling you that we have assets that can get superstar athletes…..so if that’s the case if you have a legitimate max player around them and the same ones consider us to have some of the best movable/attractive assets can’t turn around and say well let’s wait and maybe next year..because those respective teams who have the super stars we want don’t have to wait there already in contention and those players sell tickets….and if you been around long enough and pay attention there is a lot of double talk when sh*t hits the fan…things get spun….get real….famz….

This is basketball, Portland-pumpfake, Dallas-crossover, Orlando-alley oop to Amare in NY becuase that’s where he’s gonna end up.

It’s so Obvious

first off, i highly highly doutb chris paul is going anywhere. if you trade a top 5 player in the game, you might as well just shut down the franchise. NO fans are good fans, but i doubt they would tolerate trading paul.

secondly, gallinari an randolph will have to be included in the deal imo. and im in walsh i say flat out “no thank you.”

for one, gallinari randolph felton (in mikes system) > than paul and okafor

okafor has a killer contract and although paul is a phenomenal player (top 5) it scares me to think that both he and amare have severe knee issues.

listen, u all know i how feel about gallo. in regard to randolph, i think this kid has hall of fame skills and i personally feel like mike will get the best out of him. lets stand pat, develop our kids, and give ray felton a chance in mikes system before we trade two studs plus more young talent for paul and okafor. i am extremley excited about seeing this young core develop. get me another shooter and were lookin like a 6 or 7 seed imo.

With all the recent power shifts being manipulated by the players and not the teams/owners, you will probably see the new CBA being designed to return power to management. One easy way to do this would be to limit what teams can spend on free agents. That way teams would not benefit from tanking and acquiring expiring stiffs. Say you could only spend a fix sum, say 30-40%, of the cap on free agents, you couldn’t pull a hot Riley.

what good is cap space if dudes don’t want to play here(guess dudes still haven’t learned been saying this how many times)…realistically speaking you may have to take chances on over paid injury prone players to get this place looking some what presentable and hope for the best….to want to sit around on money and for what not unless you draft a Super Star around that cap space what you saving it for…because after you develop your young talent your going to have to pay that young talent even if guys want to come here or not look at memphis………we save the money for this day to get a 2 max….1 can be questioned CP3 or Melo cant…even it means taking a double double center back so be it that’s how much there worth anyway…..

We have to trade for Paul at all cost IMO if not for anything to keep him out of Orlando.

Especially since we only have a shot at Melo it’s not a slam dunk.

If we can get Paul he puts us in the upper echelon of the teams in the East. Boston, Mia, Orlando, New York we may even leap frog Orlando, Vince Cater is done and Jameer Nelson is bipolar in the playoffs.

I say get him at all cost

I give them who they want Gallo or Randolph but not both.

Yes NY has assets and it would be stupid to deplete the farm. Why? NY is in the drivers seat. Sit back wait on Melo and let NO do what they want with CP3. Amare & Melo can sway CP3 when his contract is up, so it’s no need to get caught up depleting your roster after cleaning house.

Simple and would prevent taking on silly contracts along with depleting the teams assets for potential future trades:>)

Don’t believe the hype. NY is not ready to mess up their plan, if they do, then Donnie isn’t the man I thought he was. So far, he’s doing a great job based on what he had to deal with. So I’m chillin and not letting these crazy speculations get me sounding like a lot of you!

Tommy, why would a correct coment without any insulting comments or peyorative terms need moderation?

Yeah, and as time goes by, his position of power diminishes. It is in New Orleans best interest to execute a trade sooner rather than later. The value of the Chris Paul contract will go down as it approaches expiration.

TRADE ANYONE FOR CP3 GALLO INCLUDE

whats that thing about a bush in the hand?

Gallo has potential potential potential CP3 is NOW he’s a all NBA first team PG he’s a franchise player. Gallo might be a Allstar at best we still don’t know how his back is going to hold up, and lets say he’s going to be fine CP3 is a franchise player I think we’re lucky if we can get Paul for a package with Gallo as the center piece.

This stuff is ridiculous. No trade for Paul this year. No way. You will never get anywhere close to trade value, because you can never sell your product to your fanbase unless Paul villainizes himself and publicly demands a trade. He has not done so and will not as that will have both personal and league wide repercussions. Paul plays out this year and leverages his expiring contract in the summer of Melo. What he has done, is follow the rat droppings and told the teams that want him to get their act together cuz he is making himself available to them. Now its an audition for all those teams to see who can make it worth it for him. Let’s just get the season started and see if Dantoni can make something of this roster. We’ll see what our trade chips are like in a year. I’ll pretty much go on a limb here and say Chandler and Gallo and maybe AR are going to turn more than a few heads this year now that Amare’s spotlight has brought them some attention. My personal hope. . . NO dosn’t trade Paul, our team is forced to play and prove itself (Which given the potential in our frontline can be something special) and we then leverage what we have developed to the NBA. If we get Paul Carmelo, so be it. None of this is even relevant until December, if at all this year, when NO will start to evaluate trades anyway because teams can offer more through greater flexibility.

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+1. The guys in Miami did not do their fellow players a solid by all choosing to play for less, and seemingly starting this trend of players deciding their fates and forming super teams to compete with Miami.

Add to that all the ridiculous contracts handed out this summer and the fact that most owners seem to be losing a boatload of money, and things will seriously change. A lockout is not out of the question either. I definitely see much lower max contracts and somehow finding a way to limit player flexibility in making their choices.

Never If Donnie can make a deal for Paul he does it IMO. Gallo included

LMAO you never know with Kahn that would be EPIC he would def make a name for himself with that if he hasn’t already.

If I remember correctly, Paul signed his extension 2 years ago after NO gave a great fight to SA in the 1st or 2nd round. At that point, NO’s team promised moving into the future. Paul had no way of knowing what was going to happen the following years.
Well, 2 years later, NO took on Emeka’s contract and filled their roster with horrible numbers and their only good deeds has been 2 solid years of drafting.
Paul obviously didn’t get what he thought and now wants out, but it doesn’t mean anything to the Hornet’s brass.
There’s nothing worse than a disgruntled star, so NO has to hope it doesn’t get to that point, and Paul can’t publicly ask for a trade, so next week should clarify many things, including Paul’s desires and NO’s preferences in a trade.

NO is hurting financially, why would they take on 9 mil more than they gave up in salary?

Paul Timeline is Not on NY Timeline! NY can wait as I stated.

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_avi_ is making more than Okafur.

They both avg a double double, but Emeka adds 2 blocks.

Just for comparison purposes.

I think guys would be pleasantly surprised how he would fit next to Amar’e. He’d at least have a presence and impact on both ends even if offensively he’s just rebounding for putbacks or getting us extra possessions and setting picks.

Agreed! I’ve been sayin that all along. We hold the chips. I’m sure NY probably told Amare to let Melo know that we will wit on him. Miami did it and didn’t get caught, so I’m not naive to not think GMs use their players to do the dirty work. Melo camp is oftly quiet tells me something that he and his wife already know:>) Plus Melo is not ignorant like many of you, if you think he can’t make more than 65 mil before his career is over. So stop trippin! Melo will get his money in time, especially if he wins in NY! Endorsements baby! Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

That’s exactly the point I tried to make earlier in the thread.
Yes, his contract’s awful, but his meer presence in the paint would give plus whoever’s at the 3 waiting for the kick out would make a great threat.
The guy’s a great defender and, despite what many has said of his injuries, the guy has payed consistently the past 2 season.
His contract’s awful, but if it means getting Paul, then let it be.

65 mil is suppose to stop Melo from leaving. It didn’t stop LBJ.

Okafor compares well to Bynum and Perkins. They were aolid enough to get to the NBA finals.

If you have Paul, Amare, and Gallo to score, it would be good to have someone do the dirty work in the paint. Turiaf is not a starter, so getting Paul and Okafor would leave us just short a shooting guard for a 50 win team.

PG- Paul
SG- ????
SF- Gallo
PF- Amare
C- Okafor

Maybe Felton would bring back something.

We’d hypothetically have a superstar PG and an all star PF. If JJ Hickson can look semi decent next to James, maybe Fields looks semi decent as well next to Paul, but I’m just playing around with the few pieces we’ll have left.
Lol.
One theory at a time.

I don’t know. Truthfully I haven’t seen Okafor play much, but when I have seen him he just seems really really slow and out of shape and he can’t finish and doesn’t seem to have any athleticism or post moves. Paying that guy close to max money just seems crazy to me.

Not to mention a year or 2 from now, he’ll probably be even slower. Reminds me a lot of us taking on Jerome Williams contract to get Jamal Crawford or Penny Hardaway’s contract to get Starbury. And I know that Chris Paul is twice the player either one of those guys are, but Okafor’s contract is really bad.

Not the type of contract I would prefer to take on after a decade of contracts exactly like that that almost always seem to end up crippling the Knicks.

If they trade for Paul and Okafor then they have pretty much no flexibility. I don’t see how you can spend two years to get way under the cap and then spend it all to win 50 games. They won’t beat the Heat, and will be very comparable to the Celtics, Bulls, and Magic.

That’s all fine if Broussard is not talkig about the top spots paul wants to play through “sources”. This bears too similar a resemblance to the way information was being diseminated right before free agency.

So Paul isn’t happy with the team’s direction? Talk to them, not to the public.

This stuff happens all the time. The way the system was gamed by a bunch of kids this month was so startlingly obnoxious that I don’t think people have the same tolerance for it right now. I don’t.

If this plays out like I think it will, then it’s a sure sign that the NBA is in trouble of being completely run by the boys out of school who have yet to gain the maturity necessary to run the business well.

The new CBA is going to be interesting.

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We can’t take on the Okafor contract, that would kill everything we have going… We have Felton and AR in place already..
We need to see what we have, i remember nobody wanted Jamal Crawford or Zack then a quarter threw the season we were able to trade them both.
If N.O. likes Chandlyer and or Galo, we can move Eddy,TD, & Chandlyer straight up for CP3.. Still very unlikely…

That only works if David Kahn is stupid enough… hey, this could work!

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Thank you Biggie. Is what you stated so hard to understand? Empty the cubbord to get CP3! Hell even Okafor might return to his full potenial
next to Amare and Paul!