CP3 Update

What else is there to discuss about it?

I think CP3 will give dell demps time to make some moves and shake things up before the season starts and see how the first half of the season goes. if the team flounders well be talking about this a month before the trade deadline unless the hornets start off real bad then sooner…waiting benefits the knicks for all their assets to be tradable and show off their talents getting serious playing time

Doesn’t look like the CP3 dream will become a reality, now we can focus on the team at hand which I believe can be a 40 to 45 win team.

Yes, I think this was the next obvious step. If Paul really wants to get traded, the Hornets just need to sit back and wait for him to publicly demand a trade. Until he does that, Hornets are in the drivers seat and he’s not leaving.

To be honest, I think the chances of a Paul trade have always been kind of slim. If he had 1 year left on his contract that would be a huge difference, but having 2 years makes him much less likely to be traded.

Let’s see how this plays out.

CP3 is still leaving……Me understanding the english language means he’s gonna wait for the season to start to see whats what…..REMEMBER…….That team doesnt have any money to do any rebuilding and their most valuable pieces are CP3 and David West……..CP3 is leaving…….They just have an understanding….THATS IT!

This benefits the Knicks in a very good way!

this is what we s/b concentrating on … play by play from Gus Johnson:

“Randolph SWATS LeBron’s shot, picked up by Amar’e, outlet to Felton, races downcout & pitches to Gallo, corner 3 … PURRRE ! …and this is NOT D-Wade’s house … the Garden is OUR HOUSE” !

Probably like most of us the TEAM told him let’s see how the season goes, Hornets are paying him big bucks to play ball not be the GM.
This way is kind of good for us Knicks fans too, in two ways
1) We and other teams can see our actual talent and not speculate
2) Stop the pressure on both teams and let them do what they do — PLAY

Let’s just talk about this near the trade deadline in like 6 months. He’s not going anywhere right now.

A very PR-oriented statement. I don’t think this tips the scales one way or the other.

I bet the Hornets told him to wait and see how the early part of the season goes. Not just for NO, but how it goes for the Knicks and the other “wish list” teams too.

Does getting Paul right now actually put us in the conversatio with the big teams in the East. Not with Okfurs contract and probably not without, given how much talent we’d have to give up and how we would have to rebuild the caste around these guys. If we have a shot at paul a year from now, it will be far more advantageous to us. We have young potential and our teams value will double this season.

lets turn our attention back to Carmelo, anything but knicks basketball please.

It sounds to me like he’s not leaving IMMEDIATELY. I’d say he’s still leaving eventually, as they have no future.

If we traded for him now, we wouldn’t be able to win the championship anyway, as we would get hogtied with Okafor. So this serves us well. We’re still in good position to get him eventually.

I would like ro make a comment about the suppose “deal breaker” tha is he Okafur contract.
To me the idea of a CP3 and Stat pick and roll is worth taking on that contract even if it means no Melo in the future. That P & R is second best to the LBJ Stat one that Tommy was ravinf about. Plus it would take a big lift of Amares shoulder on the defensive end.

In conclusion…….yes to CP3 and Okafur even if it means no to Melo.

Truedat! You wishing well CP3 koolaiddrinkers & Bull-shard that don’t have no flavor can go back to sleep because IT’s MELO Time Boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Money will not be an issue for NY. This issue or any other issues are dead for me!

I’m outter here!

What else is he going to say?

Honestly, I don’t think that statement should surprise anyone. If he does really want out, then I am sure he is trying to do it without becoming the enemy. I think the topic will become more serious towards December and through the trade deadline.

Maybe we can focus on the actual Knicks roster! lol

and that’s the problem right there a fast break led to a 3 point chuck…..nice……..

I’m glad NY WILL BE WAITING FOR MELO! Why? We don’t have to blow up the team for a pipe dream! We can see our current players get busy! I’m done discussing CP3. He’s not going anywhere for now! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Bull-shard once again is full of IT! Lost another one to Di-Tech!

So you wanna go thru wih Melo what we went thru with Lebron??????

Plus do you think that Melo/Amare is better than CP3/Amare????

Lol….no really Lol

I’d rather have Deron Williams in 2 yrs and save the assets we DONT have, cuz I’m afraid we’ll wind up givin up AR and Gallo 4 him….this way we still have pieces if Melo doesnt resign, flexibility if he does plus maintain our youngins

+1

Let Paul do whatever he needs to do. Until then, let’s focus on our present squad.
Since we have a bit of a void at SG, why don’t we make a little trade for Henry since he’s having some trouble with his contract in Memphis? (just setting an example).
After a 2 year holding patter, we have to concentrate on our present instead of thinking what might happen next summer or by the deadline.

IMO This helps us. CP3 will go into the season happy then when the Hornets have a bad record in December the trade can go down and include Felton who by then may be looking like a serviceable Point Guard.

I wish all Knick fans would read Rich Gallina’s comments a thousand times. It makes all incredible sense and I have been saying this ever since ESPN had “leaked” the earth shattering comments that CP3 wants to be traded. He has no leverage and you are a new GM and coach, you trade this guy for less in return, what is left for season ticket holders. Who is going to home games in NO???

I really look forward to a 37 win season and seeing D’antoni go.
We are back to irrelevance and D’antonie’s lack of ability to mentor and guide young man will be exposed. He can’t even communicate with them let alone motivate them.
Nate Robinson is similar to Randold in making bone head moves. Watch MD bench him for a month to teach him a lesson and don’t tell him why. So that he can really think about it.
For those of you that think that we can make playoffs with Walker/Fields at the two position are sadly mistaken. EC has changed in case you haven’t noticed.

it was stated he never mention a trade at the meaning let alone demanded one which is fine….stay there for 2 more years and see where that gets you….we will see you in 2 years and let felton hold it down for now…..if not then that’s what it is…

i gotta agree with YO SON on this one haha

I really look forward to a 37 win season and seeing D’antoni go.
We are back to irrelevance and D’antonie’s lack of ability to mentor and guide young man will be exposed. He can’t even communicate with them let alone motivate them.
Nate Robinson is similar to Randold in making bone head moves. Watch MD bench him for a month to teach him a lesson and don’t tell him why. So that he can really think about it.
For those of you that think that we can make playoffs with Walker/Fields at the two position are sadly mistaken. EC has changed in case you haven’t noticed.

as long as he doesn’t end up with orlando or any team on the East I’m good…

if he pulls that with radolph he will crack then break…Nate handled that better then anybody in his overall situation in the league….I think were better then 37 wins..

welcome back dreamin glad I’m back on your good side again….I hope..all good homie….not mad at you at all….

C’mon… You really look forward for a 37 win season?
All right, I get why you don’t like the coach, believe me, I’m not a fan either. But I put the team in front of everything else.
Let the results speak for him, but as a fan I only want the best for this team.
We’ll know soon enough if he’s fit to coach this roster, but it’s too early to tell.

Look, anyone with dreams of a Big 3 in NY of Amare, Melo and Paul, should hope that Paul and the Hornets play this thing out this year, don’t make the playoffs, allow Curry, Azubuke and Chandler’s contracts expire, sign Anthony as a FA and allow for the Knicks to be able to offer Gallo, Randolph, Turiaf(expires after next season),Felton(would be a expiring at that time.)Douglas, Mosgov and Bill Walker for Paul and Okafor. That is the Paul trade that works cap wise by the way for Paul and Okafor at that time.

Here’s the latest statement from RealGM:

“Chris Paul met with several members of the Hornets front office on Monday to discuss the state of the franchise and a possible trade.

“The meeting went well,” wrote Paul in a statement. “It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team. I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come.”

Put the damn thing to bed, Tommy. You and all the biters were made fools of–again. You’re a glutton for punishment, chief.

Knicks will win 50 games this year

I never allowed myself to get too wrapped up in the Paul thing because for one I got burnt by the Bron thing. Yes I’ll admit it and I just was not going to let that happen again. 2ndly, the facts remaining there is no impetus for NO to trade Paul at least not at the moment. Paul’s only real options are to pout and become a nuisance sort of like who NFL players do when they want out but I don’t think he is going to do that as he doesn’t strike me as the type to do that. The other more plausible scenario is to wait until AS break/trade deadline or offseason to do the deal. I think it will be much more doable then since NO Hornets really are in financial straits and if Paul is healthy he will play up to his full abillity and NO will be able to sell high and from a much better position…

+2

1) That statement is a PR move and should be taken with a grain of salt.

2) How does discussing a wide-spread rumor which involves the Knicks make one a glutton for punishment?

Get off that high horse, you’ll get a nose bleed.

i actually think theres a better idea for the next 2 yrs…stay with ur current roster until the trade deadline then we trade currys expiring contract along with chandler for jason richardsons expiring contract…the phoenix suns will not be as good this year and richardson will definetly see less playing time because of tukoglu…with richardson we get a great shooter with playoff expierence that should help us get to the second round and go ay least 6 games..once that contract expires, melo will come to ny beacuse now hes coming to a WINNING team to play alongside amare and the possibility of trading for paul…or even being patient and waiting for fa 2012 with deron williams and paul being fas

for all the people who say we cant count on melo…why is this dude sitting on this extension that will make him the second highest paid player behind kobe for the next 3 yrs…?becaus ehes looking at his options, he knows in order to win a championship this decade hell have to play alongside another superstar and play for a market that would at least sell him some jerseys(hes way behind everybody in jersey sales)…i believe if the knicks play their cards right melo is a lock for ny in 2011

My roll is on 45-50 wins!

The best thing for the Knicks would be for Paul to stay with NO and for us to be patient. We finally have young assets and everyone talks about finally developing a young player, but we can’t do that if we trade them. I think we have to hold onto AR for the year to see what he has to offer. If we can get Anthony next year as a Free Agent, great but I don’t want to see us mortgage all of our young players before seeing what they can offer. It’s a risk, they could play bad but it’s a chance we should take.

I’m just glad we finally have some people who can block shots, it will allow are guards to be more aggressive on D.

the best part about this dw is that not only do we have young talent thats cheap..but we also financial flexibility that will allow us to sign melo AND keep this young core of gallo, randolph and douglas…i mean that would be the perfect situation and its very possible

Felton, AR, Mello, and Amare is better than CP3 and Amare!

+1… been saying that since these CP3 talks started. Add Melo next year if we can and then Deron the year after. Amare, Melo, DWill bring the toughness and grit that NY needs and that South Beach Divas lack.

Melo in 2011.
DWill in 2012.
CP3 can sign with LRMR and “do what’s best for his family.” Keep using that line LeCon…

We will have tough, hard-nosed players tailor made for NY. And keep Gallo and AR in the process. Oh and beat the crap out of the 3 queens of miami for the next decade to really make the LeCon legacy meaningless.

I don’t believe N8 and AR are similar characters. N8 was and still is a knucklehead while AR at 19/20 was immature. Amare will be AR’s his mentor from now on, i guarantee it!

I still think Mr.Magoo should ask about OJ Mayo. They have 3 players for the same position and they wont have the money for him & Gasol and for upgrades. He would a great fit in a run & gun system based on ball movement, he is wasting away down there and would not cost us near as much as CP3 and we will still have assets for a trade (melo if thats even an option)

Felton
Mayo
Gallo
Amare
Turiaf

I think that spaces out the floor much better for Amare & Mayo has PG skills so ball movement will be vastly upgraded.

why would the Suns trade Richardson for Chandler and eddy curry? U want to say Curry, Douglas and Chandler for Steve Nash, maybe.

I always said this was a non story. Made zero sense from the NO perspective. And if they were going to trade Paul it would not have been to NY for Randolph and Chandler.

As far as the Knicks win total, 39-42 wins is realistic. They will struggle out of the gate. More than half of our team has never played together before and we have an extremely young roster. Hopefully they hit their stride in mid-December and Amare, Gallo and Randolph all gel well and stay healthy.

How you guys see 50 wins from a team that has never played together is beyond me.

I was comparing a total o four players. Plus we won’t have to give both Gallo and AR in a package for CP3. Even I we do I still think it’s worh it.

Until Mello signs that extension I’ll wait on him!

This is very good for us. The Hornets are passing up trading CP3 when he is at maximum market valuation, and if that trade were to be with the Knicks, the assets received by the Hornets could easily be undervalued.

Once the season starts, we can see if CP3′s knee has fully recovered.

We can see what our assets are really worth. Has Gallo evolved into a noticeably better player, or is his growth stunted? Is AR a future HOFer, or is he a head case destined to a forgettable career? Will Mozgov average one personal foul per minute played, or is he a center that we’ll mention along with Willis Reed and Patrick Ewing? Will Felton have a breakout year, or is a just a mediocre point guard? We don’t know the answer to any of these questions yet, but the truth will probably lie somewhere in the middle.

As I see it, the two most important variables are CP3′s knee, and Felton’s performance for the Knicks. What happens if CP3 is either a shadow of his former self, or if he blows it out again soon? What happens if Felton takes it up a notch in his new system? We could be looking at a situation where the Knicks are actually better off with Felton than a degraded CP3.

Would love to get Mayo. But we have nobody to give up for him that would be a realistic trade proposal.

I also worry about Mayo at the two-guard spot in this system. He isn’t a great 3pt shooter and isn’t the best at keeping the ball moving from the SG spot (from what I’ve seen of him in Memphis anyway).

I do agree though that Memphis re-signing Gay to that crazy contract means they will have to do something.

Felton will be the first one to make you want to eat your words, followed by AR!

Gallo being in Europe all summer is not a good sign to me. We need him to be the second fiddle next to Amare and I’m not sure he’s ready for that. I was also hoping he would step us as a leader this year (his third year) but him not being around this summer is not promising.

And before the Gallo lovers say its the off-season, Amare’s been working with the guys on the team and was in Vegas.

And what ever happened to the stories of Lebron working with fat man Curry this summer?

Why would D-Will leave Utah. They have put a very good team around him and he is playing for a hall of fame coach. There have been zero rumblings about him being unhappy.

If the only reason is because he plays in Utah, he already signed one contract extension there.

nah nash is going to be 37 i dont think the knicks would do that having felton on the team…the reason again i say richardson is because since the suns wont be competing like last year(stoudemire gone,nash a year older) and they have created sort of a logjam at the wing with turkoglu, richardson and josh childress and thay might want to get young and talented cheap player like chandler for his expiring contract(richardson) (being i dont believe they will resign him for the reason stated above)…i think it works both ways…but then again the suns would have to feel they have no shot at contending in the west

Let’s not talk about carmelo and say we did!

I just thing that grind it out style that the griz use does not make the most of Mayo’s talent. I think we can work something out rather then them letting him just walk away.
Maybe a 3 team trade getting them a PG and us including TD, maybe swinging something with the wolves where the Griz get sessions & TD we get Mayo and the wolves get Sam Young,Mike Conley Jerome Jordan.

Chris Webber was a lock for NYC, Jason Kidd, Grant Hill, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, the list goes on and on.

2011, 2012, 2013, it doesn’t matter. Until we start winning games we aren’t signing anybody.

i think 39 wins would be a serious (unless its because of injury)disappointment with the roster we have and i would think dantoni would be replaced beacuse if you cant win 42-45 games and be competitive in the playoffs coach needs to go…with amare and a solid pick n roll pg in felton and good but not great young talented role players we should be better than that

I agree I would hop Gallo is not falling in to all the over hype on him! He has a lot of work and long way to go before he is close to what people want to make him.

39 wins is a reasonable expectation. The Knicks roster is full of players who are new to the team, and who mostly never played together.

Memphis won’t lose Mayo for nothing. Like all these other guys, Memphis will probably work out a sign and trade for him.

That trade is horrible for Memphis (Sessions and TD? for Mayo and Connely both former lottery picks) and even though Kahn is an idiot, I can’t see him trading for another PG (i.e. Connely).

It is one of those trades where we end up making out like bandits, trading Tony Douglas and Jerome Jordan and getting back O.J. Mayo.

Aren’t they having trouble signing Henry? I say trade for the rookie and give him the job. A cheap SG moving forward wouldn’t be bad on this already young team.

I agree, a true fan should only care about what’s best for the team. Personal feelings towards the coach should always take a backseat. I’m happy with direction of the team and I think d’antoni and walsh know exactly what their doing. They both has expressed a desire to win this year and beyond and let’s just give them a year to prove what they are saying. When they showed up they pretty much said we were gonna lose the first two years and that they were not about winning and that it was about getting under the cap. Now that that tune has changed let’s see where this team is headed in the win department..

exactly my point 4 life we have to win and we should be competitve in the playoffs…(i say second round 6 games) if that happens with this young team making a move at the trading deadline for a good solid shooting guard with an expiring contract why couldnt melo want to come here?

I think its unanimous lets move on.

It’d be pure speculation to say that just because the guy was in Europe he didn’t work on his game or physically. We’ve no idea how he’s gonna come back.
Will’s coming off injury and he hasn’t worked on his game all summer long and it seems that he’ll go to camp a bit rusty.
I’ve no idea when Azubuike will be ready to play and I alse ignore the status on AR, so there are a bunch of question marks.

not for me man i say we HAVE to be at LEAST .500 AND show that we can COMPETE against teams like los angeles and miami not exactly beat them but least not get embarrased like last 8 yrs…dantoni knows and understands he has no excuses now not to compete we have set our standards higher guys how will we ever be able to win setting low standards??

“i think 39 wins would be a serious (unless its because of injury)disappointment with the roster we have and i would think dantoni would be replaced”

39-42 wins puts us in the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed. I think we win 1 or 2 games in a seven game series against the Heat/Celtics/Orlando and then make a major signing or trade next summer. That would not be a disappointment to me.

Despite everything you are reading, we are rebuilding (albeit around Amare). Rome wasn’t built in a day, I think we need to temper expectations for this young roster, espcially since we have many new and young pieces and guys returning from injury.

Again these guys have never played together before and other than Amare have never played for D’Antoni before. It is going to take until at least mid-December. 2011-2012 is when i think it is realistic to talk about 50 wins and a top 5 seeding in the east.

why would the Suns trade Richardson for Chandler and eddy curry? U want to say Curry, Douglas and Chandler for Steve Nash, maybe

If Nash was running the point with these new guys, i’d be ok with it, but not that high on Felton. Right now, what are they? An 8 seed? Maybe…And one thing, if I am somebody that is high on Gallo, then I don’t want Anthony because Gallo, Chandler and Anthony play the same position. And can we please stop with this thought of Chandler as a 2 please, he can’t play the 2 he is a 3(Anthony Riceballs that’s for u) I think Anthony to the Knicks is no way a lock, he could sign that 65 mil extension he is being offered or he could go home to Washington to play with John Wall and Gilbert Arenas and a 20-10 guy in Blatche and a Mutumbo like C in McGee and the Knicks get burned. It scares me that Tommy Dee is saying Tony Parker is a lock for the Knicks next summer. What I am afraid there going to do is keep the team as is and sign Tony Parker, when I really believe Nash is the better fit, even though there is a age difference between the 2. I mean Knicks sign Parker next summer, is Parker, Bill Walker, Gallo, Amare and Randolph a powerhouse in the East in 2011? I don’t. U trade for Nash he has this year and next year on his deal, u play that out and ur go after Paul after that. Paul has 2 yrs left on his deal like Nash does.

“It’d be pure speculation to say that just because the guy was in Europe he didn’t work on his game or physically. We’ve no idea how he’s gonna come back.”

I never said he didn’t work on his game all summer?

“Curry, Douglas and Chandler for Steve Nash maybe”

Ridiculous.

I can almost agree with you Bob, now that they’ve douched almost the entire prior team!

The Griz are done with Conley! They want to go in another direction at PG to the point that there thinking of playing Mayo at point. Sessions is way better then conley draft pick or not,they cant take on anymore salary and they just drafted Mayo’s replacement as well as having Gay and needing to resign Gasol. So I dont see it as much as who was a lottery pick as much as them getting a better player at point and better balance over all but feel free to throw are 2nd rd picks in if you like.

As for the wolves Conley’s contract ends a year before Sessions so its in there best interest as well as getting a very good SF in Same Young and cheap depth at center with Jordan.

Here look at the conley story…
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68365/20100726/grizzlies_lukewarm_on_conley_as_starter/

I have not read that Jay but I would be for it as well, I just think Mayo would be there first option seeing as they can keep Henry longer for cheaper.

+1

Sorry, my bad, misread your post.
At his age, I’ll take his actions on the court as a sign of leadership. After that (when and if it happens), what he does off the court to confirm this will determine if he really can be a leading voice within the team.
The same thing will apply to Felton.

@KnicksFan4Life

Zero rumblings about DWill being unhappy?

Umm did you pay attention to any of the NBA news this past year? Do you remember how pissed he was when they traded away Ronnie Brewer. Quote: “The way i see it all the teams around us got better and we went in the other direction.”

Also, he wasn’t happy they let Wesley Matthews, Kyle Korver and of course Boozer go. Trading for Al Jeff was basically to try and keep him happy but Utah has been taking steps backwards.

There has been plenty in the news to indicate he is questioning the front office. He is just more of a class act and won’t come out and demand a trade or talk about an exit strategy.

Yeah I read the stories near the end of the year and this summer about Connely. But I can’t see them trading both Mike C and Mayo this summer and only getting back the package you proposed.

Without using the trade machine to see if salaries work, I think a more realistic proposal would be Chandler, 2nd round pick, Tony Douglas and $$ for Mayo. That may even just be a starting point, I assume they’ll ask for Gallo or Randolph instead of Chandler to get it done.

im just excited to see this new team and to see how they mesh and see how they dont. happy wit the point im happy with the 4 and we have a bunch a pieces to play with for the other positions so it will be very exciting to watch. i just hope dantoni can find a rotation that he likes that is productive. lets go knicks!

Him being in italy means nothing, just he’s home doesn’t mean he isn’t working out. Now if he comes in out of shape then we have a concern, but until then don’t make it bigger then what it is. We are very athletic and young this year, something we haven’t been for qiute sometime. No more bad contracts, no more players at the end of their career, and soon no more losing.

since when do gallinari and chandler play the pf/c position?

How realistic is it that they would trade his draft rights, and what would the Knicks have to give up to get him? I’d do a sign and trade for Chandler, but I have to wonder how long Donnie Walsh would have to wait until Chris Wallace stopped laughing.

I think that now its time to stop focusing on other teams player. The Knicks just need to continue developing the young guys. Its pointless debating what Melo will or won’t do a year from now. If the Knicks can show that they can be a competitive team, and guys like Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, TD, Walker, etc. all continue to improve, NY will be a great free agent destination.

thank God the milwaukee bucks last year did not set low expectations with their young and inexperienced roster..they lost redd for most the season and still made the playoffs and were competitive…i understand we are a young team and we havent played together but we still have to set the bar higher beacuse if you go in the season saying that 39 wins is expected…then whats the point of playing hard and with passion?if u set the bar high and expect everyone to perform, these young players will respond with fire and passion(something we havent seen since ewing)and just with that alone we should be much better than a dissapoint 39 wins…thsi is NYC guys not kansas we go after it

The fifth and sixth seeds last year were held by Miami and Milwaukee last year respectively.

I’m not sure that those teams had better talent than the Knicks do currently!

Actually that wasn’t KnickFan that was me K4L.

But either way, I haven’t ready any stories about D Will being unhappy. Utah brought in Jefferson which is a questionable moveto me (I actually really hate it for them) but they also brought in Raja Bell who I think will be a great addition for them and they had a pretty decent draft.

They drafted Kover’s replacement and Milsap was always supposed to be Boozer’s replacement. I hope the Knicks do get guys like Melo, D-Will, and Paul, but I don’t see it happening and think we should concentrate on our players and acquiring draft picks, so when the time comes, we actually will be able to put together a decent package for a superstar.

Its time to get excited about the team we have and not other players who plays for someboody else. Stop dreamin’ people because this is the team we’re going to war with so get used to it. We are a better team from top to bottom and most people don’t pay attention because the national media says we’re not much better. Well I say bump the national media. Go Knicks!

+ 1,

but the Mozgov, Ewing, Reed thing is a fantasy!

Again when did I say Gallo was not working out this summer?

My point was about leadership and him working out with his teamates and at the facility. It’s fine that he went home, so did Dirk, but Dirk didn’t stay there for upteen months now did he . . .

totally PR… empty and meaningless.. exactly what he is supposed to say so he’s not projected as a locker room cancer.

Hornets: “your under a legally binding contract for 2 years.. your our corner stone.. your not going anywhere…. give us back some money if you want another all-star.. or sit on the bench while we develop a pt. guard that wants to be here”

Paul: ok

” understand we are a young team and we havent played together but we still have to set the bar higher beacuse if you go in the season saying that 39 wins is expected”

Lol, man I’m not a player or a coach just a fan. Me thinking the team is going to win 39 games makes no difference any more than you thinking they will win 50.

Now the players/coaches should believe they are a 60-win team.

I agree K4L. Would really hope he stepped up to be a leader and took it upon himself to meet and practice with his new teammates like Wilson Chandler did.

He seems like he has a good head on his shoulders though. I doubt he’s just lounging around in Italy and he’s probably working hard on his game. As long as he comes back better than ever its a non-issue. If he comes back and is out of shape or something, then I would be seriously pissed at both him and the Knicks coaching staff for not trying to keep in touch with him and make sure he’s doing what he needs to.

and that’s not implying that you implied he isn’t working out lol.

Last year the East was terrible. This year it is significantly better including in our own division where we play teams 4 times.

Phili is better, Washington is better, New Jersey is better (than last year), Miami is significantly better, Chicago is signicantly better, the Bucks are significantly better. There is still Orlando, Atlanta and Boston out there.

Only Cleveland and Toronto (who didn’t make the playoffs) have taken steps back and I think Toronto will still get 30-33 wins.

Not really sure if Charlotte got worse or not by losing Felton. We’ll see if DJ is ready for a full-time role there.

I like the moves we made this season but we still have questionable rebounding, questionable defense, and a young roster. How does that equal 50 wins?

The CP3 convoshould quiet down, is ot over I dont think so BUT lets concentrate on the current roster, we should even cool the Melo talk for now and Im a HUGE Melo fan more than LeCon (actually I wasnt ridin LeCon but if he had became a Knick of course I wouldve rooted for him)

Did I read someone giving us 50 wins….WOW? This is not the Western Conference, you must play DEFENSE for that!! The Bucks 47/Heat 47/Bobcats 44/Bulls 41, all those teams play have DEFENSE as a priority and they couldnt hit the 50 win mark. We get 50 wins I’ll be quite proud!

Change an error, the Fear the Deer Bucks had 46 wins, my mistake.

The bottom line is that Chris Paul does not want to look like an A$$hole to the New Orleans public. However it is very clear he will make a Lebron-like escape. But instead of leaving the Hornets with an ultimatum and a trade demand, he is going to allow every opportunity to give New Orleans the ability to get the best trade value in return for him.

Knicks will have more flexibility to trade players. They couldnt even include Felton in a deal for Paul right now. And to me, that would have to happen.

CMS,

Who are we going to war with?

There will be no wars just a quick bitchsmack, lay down and shut up type of fight.

There won’t be any soldiers until we have a general that they are happy to fight for.

AR is softer then Lee. Gallo is one dimensional. We all know that Stat imposes his will on the offesnive side only. Our toughest guy is Felton!!!

I just can’t predict what explanation we will use to justify missing playoffs and handing Houston our lottery pick while picking another small forward with our late first rounder.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

I read initially where D Will wasnt happy with the organization’s offseason movements. It has been quiet since though.

But I did read last season when they moved Brewer he made a comment something like thats why I only did 3 years

Who will give them a Gallo or AR type player for a guy they cant afford to resign & another they want to part ways with? I can understand them wanting some second rounders but no team will give them that much for a back up PG and a guy they replaced in the draft who is in his walk year IMO.

Sessions 2 second rd picks TD Walkers with some cash and that not only upgrades there PG spot but lets them focus on resigning Gasol. Nobody talks about Mayo anymore due to him being in not only a log jam but on a team that has a half court dump it in or Gay hogs the ball trying to dunk it system.

knicks 4 life i know ur not the coach but i still believe that TRUE fans should hold the team accountable…knicks have no excuses this year not to compete, i dont expect them to win more than 50 games but if they dont win more than 42(if they can stay healthy) then i think they underperformed…as far as questions about rebounding and defense…i believe they have improved dramatically defensively especially upfront being that the past 2 yrs i couldve gotten a an easy lay up em in my 5’9 frame it was just ridiculous with the lack of shotblocking…we have improved defensively also turiaf will be the key here i remember him being a big part in those lakers championship years on the defensive end…again the biggest factor of all will be health

if they didnt make a move for orlando RIGHT NOW, thats because CP3 may really wanna be a Knick……..True ball fans know he’s leavin’……Knicks have time to show case their talent now…….LETS GO NYK!

Well that’s were me and you have to disagree. I believe we have a good team and will achieve 45+ wins this year. Some of you guys may not agree based on our past and that’s fair enough, but I believe this year is the year we turn it around. You said it yourself we have a beast on the offense at the power position and a real point guard so I’m going to war with them and there will be no bitch smacking the knicks this year.

Circle: “That statement is a PR move and should be taken with a grain of salt”

True, but so was the leaked ‘story’ in the first place. There’s really nothing to any of this. He’s going to at least play this season, (or most of it) and see how the team does, IMO.

director your a great pessimistic knicks fan u need to see past our small defiencies and look at how much we have improved as a team…first knicks management have done a good job of setting the standard by not offering excuses to lose like the last 2 yrs…now they have none and its time to play up or shut up…apart from amare there are no handcuffing type contracts they cant get rid of so players will be more passionate to play hard…just that will net us more wins and relive a winning brand of basketball…talentwise we have improved in every major area…up front amare, turiaf and russian dude is a dramatic upgrade over lee/bender/barron and we actually have a REAL starting point while not cp3 or deron williams definetly a solid one…and to say gallo is one dimensional being only 22 yrs old is just bogus man…

Turiaf can’t give them more than 20-25 min/game though. The key to their interior defense may be Jordan and Mosgov which is a big question makr to me.

If we are playing Randolph at center for more than 30+ minutes we are in serious trouble. He is a 3/4 to me.

LEE-talented but soft
BENDER-soft
BARRON-extra soft
equals easy lay ups all last year…
this year…
AMARE-offensive beast
TURIAF-defensive beast
MOZGOV-question mark
RANDOLPH-good shotblocker
equals no more easy lay ups…
NEW YORK KNICKS 2010 IM EXCITED

If Delonte West gets cut, I would love to see the Knicks pick him up. I think he would be a good insurance policy for Felton. He can play either the 1 or the 2 and he is a pretty good shooter. Honestly, I would be much more comfortable with West running the offense than I would be with Douglas, if Felton gets injured.

I think they will get 45+ wins but you are killing me with your math we play 82 games not 81. I think we will be fine this year, I look for us to improve ina lot of areas this year. Shot blocking, steals, offense and defense. So you guys can keep underrating us all you want but atleast we will know the real fans from the fake.

did u know most famous people don’t be on the comp especially for bullsh8t like twitter,they got people doin that for them,it’s just like myspace,people thinking they litterally hittin up them artist/celebs but thats just there affiliates running there page…

true u have a point on that but dont you think AMARE/TURIAF/MOSGOV/RANDOLPH is a significant upgrade over LEE/BARRON/BENDER…again basketball is about matchups…against an elite center like howard, they should be able to contain him(not shut him down) but even curry could come in with all his cheeseburgers and hack him for like 15-20 minutes and get fouled out but he sends him to the line…so its not only talent they upgraded but also depth

west isn’t a p.g he has never been

unless the knicks make a trade for a good s.g p.g or center,the knicks are aiming at another losing season 40 wins tops

Its okay for you guys to hate, but remember this. We now have players who care about winning and not just about their next payday. So when we start winning I believe we will def get the credit we deserve. We have a solid team with some good parts and we get the chance to showcase that and then we can extend the contracts of gallo and randolph for good prices. Our core is good and we should contend for years to come.

felton is not a starting player he is a bench player that just happens to start just like DUHON.time will tell i’m rite=thats about 3 4 months.

the bobcats are going to be much better now that there weakest player that was starting isn’t there anymore

Douglas isn’t a PG either. West averaged like 4.5 assists per game though before he went to Cleveland. I like Douglas and he should be getting significant time of the bench. It would help to have another guy that can bring the ball up the court. It would allow Douglas to play off the ball, which is where he excels.

Chris Paul’s dismay with the Hornets has been a story for a while. I posted a link to a story about Chris Paul maybe being traded a year ago.

who is solid other than AMARE?,the rest of the guys are ?marks,turiaf is a good bench player,the rest are medicore,the key to the season will be ant-ran if he stays healthy an progresses big time the knicks will be much better other than that the knicks looking at 40 wins tops

alrite,i get the picture don’t have a prob with WEST i’m not LEBRON……..

He’ll just end up sleeping with Amar’e’s Mom

Turiaf has serious knee problems and was unable to play at the end of last season. To call him a defensive beast is a stretch. Golden State had worse D than the Knicks.

Lee went off for 37-20-10 on Turiaf back on April 2, 2010. That was Lee’s beast game ever. Now Turiaf is a beast. Yeah, right…..

JStarks3,

My friend I only meant that we can wait on players wanting to come to NY, so we wait! If Melo is waiting to come by not signing, then we can wait for him. And he is not like LBJ. So, I don’t have to worry this time for getting AMP UP for nuttin!

I agree and I will add to it.

Who’s a better floor general. Duhon or felton? Felton.
Who cammands more attention. Amare or Lee? Amare.
Who’s a better big off the bench. Randolph or Bender? Randolph.
Who’s a better defender at center. Turiaf or barron/Lee? Turiaf.
Who’s a better two way player. Wilson or Harrington? Wilson.

All in all we have a much better team than we had last year and as a result we will will a lot more games.

I agree that Randolph is the key for the Knicks. Nobody knows how good he will be. It wouldn’t surprise me if D’Antoni didn’t play him. It also wouldn’t surprise me if he averaged 15-20 points off the bench.

I know, it doesn’t seem realistic, but neither did CP3. I’m just setting an example. There’s plenty of young SG’s out there that aren’t being considered, and if Chandler’s well considered around the league he can be a nice trade piece.

Lildog,

You are fullofsh*t! Felton got game. He’s better than Duhon!

I agree witcha mannnnnnnnn! Bump them haters!

They’re counting on DJ to step up, but there’s no certainty on that. Felton is an upgrade over Duhon (if anyone doubts that it’d be just bad judge of talent) but he’s no all star.
We just have to hope the guy has a solid and consistent season on a system that might help him get on the right track.

I would love to see Mayo on the Knicks.

ummm turiaf just played in 15 minutes in that game tolliver played 39 minutes at center so to say he got on turiaf is a stretch..ive always health will be a major issue but if hes healthy…yes he is a defensive beast hes the guy to who will give it his all and play with heart and passion on the defensive end and grab rebounds hes only 27 man gimme a break hes not 35…a lot better than last im sure even YOU wouldve gotten an easy lay up….again SIGNIFICANT upgrade

What’s up Black?, I read your thoughts about Mayo. I see Mayo as being overrated and undersized (6-31/4 without sneakers), also i see guards being drafted bigger at the 2 spot i.e. Paul George, Derozan, Summers, thats another reason i favor Wittman (6-7) over Rautins. Also why i believe IllWill is more valuable than he appear to be right now! As a matter of fact i would not trade IllWill straight up for Mayo without getting at least a draft pick back!

the kid got all the rite tools,the onlything holding him back is his health,anything he does this coming season wouldn’t suprise me the kid got skills to be a very good player

So according to you we only have one player and a bunch of losers and we will struggle to make 40 wins. I feel we upgraded our roster at three positions and yes turiaf is better than any center we’ve had these past two seasons. Maybe more. Look how many times lee got abused down there. I can’t even count that high. We will be better than you think but only time will tell how good we can actually be.

If used right, Turiaf won’t get you a lot of points, but he will protect the paint and give Amare room to do his thing, which is ultimately what you need when you have an all star PF. He’ll protect Amare and get the boards Amare doesn’t get plus a block or two here and there.
He won’t dominate, but he’ll scrap it out leaving room for Amare and Gallo in the wing.

Seems like a tough sell. I doubt the Gruzz will want to lose him. Henry, on the other hand, a disgrunteld rookie might be easier to get. But I’m just speculating.

Also Memphis is not trading Henry!

Seeing as this season is key for the coach’s future, I don’t think he’ll be dumb enough to leave a guy with potential on the bench. If he does, he’ll be beggin to lose his job, since it’d be like leaaving a player with huge potential unused.
Desperation is a powerful tool.

AMARE/TURIAF/MOSGOV/RANDOLPH is a significant upgrade over LEE/BARRON/BENDER…again basketball is about matchups…against an elite center like howard, they should be able to contain him(not shut him down) but even curry could come in with all his cheeseburgers and hack him for like 15-20 minutes and get fouled out but he sends him to the line…so its not only talent they upgraded but also depth

felton isn’t much of a upgrade,DUHON is garbage but he can shoot better than FELTON they are both inconsistent at taking it to the whole an breaking down the D to create,felton isn’t that much better defensively either,the final upgrade score is about 0.5 over DUHON

I like Turiaf as a bench player, but he’s strictly a role guy for 15-20 minutes off the bench. He’s not going to get you more than 5 points and 5 rebounds a game.

I’m just saying if he was a beast, they would have put him on Lee and stopped him. He is an upgrade defensively over Jeffries, but that’s less than significant.

You mention Bender and Barron, but they really didn’t have a role in the rotation. Donnie signed Bender because he’s “his” guy and Barron joined a depleted Knicks for a few games. Ronnie T replaces Jeffries in the rotation.

Upgrade, if healthy!

i really think he wants that,seriously,his money is guaranteed so if he gets fired he’s still paid

ofcourse dude if i didn’t think they wouldn’t be better i would of said 29 wins tops

Ok, I agree with Amare and some of the young players we got, but tell me something, who is the 2 guard this season? And no way on wilson Chandler at the 2,maybe Bill Walker i guess? Some one answer that question for me.

You might have a contract, but if the guy doesn’t bring the results, I’ve no doubt that he’ll get canned.

@knicks-yankees axis18
“i remember him being a big part in those lakers championship years on the defensive end”

How do you remember that considering that Turiaf has never played on an NBA championship team?

That’s the void at this point for everyone I think. Chandler’s not fit to be a SG, Walker didn’t look pretty in Vegas, and I don’t when Azubuike will be ready to play at a high level. A smart move would be make a trade for a cheap player on a rookie contract that isn’t considered by his team.
There’s bound to be a couple of those.

@ RUSS
*CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDING TEAMS* THATS WHAT I MEANT…i mean even though they didnt win the championship they were definetly contenders… no bones about that

Come on now, It’s replacing Lee-Harrington-Jeffries. Those guys played 6500+ minutes last year. Barron and Bender played 524 minutes. We will be better defensively, but can Randolph be a scorer off the bench. We did lose N8 and Al Chucketts.

who turiaf replaces could be arguable…but jeffries although somewhat talented defensively definetly dosent play with the fire that turiaf plays with…and also its not just turiaf on this team a whole but the depth on the front line is pretty impressive considering that we had absolutely nothing last year…point is once again..NO MORE EASY STINKING LAY UPS THAT ABSOLUTELY KILLED ME LAST YEAR AS A FAN!!!!

We are going to have to see who is healthy enough to suit up first. Azubuike would be fine at SG. Walker’s probably next. There are just too many new guys and question marks to see how it works out. Plus Donnie may make a trade or sign a free agent. We do have a lot of forwards, you might see one go for a guard.

agree with this whole post. Turiaf is a bench guy who should only play 20 minutes but might end up starting for us. I still don’t see him getting the majority of minutes at center for us. Amare will play there 10 minutes a game, and then between Randolph and Mozgov I think the rest of the minutes will be divided. It will be interesting to see.

It should be a battle between Chandler, Walker, Azubuike, and maybe even Fields. Chandler will definitely get the minutes there at the start of the year imo, but since he’s not a real sg he might have to come off the bench at the small forward spot. Then it goes to Azubuike if he’s healthy. At least he can shoot.

Last year we had Darko and Jordan Hill just sit on the bench. They both were traded and played in a rotation. We could have had better stoppers in the paint. They didn’t play here.

That’s what worries me. Who says that the bigs get time?

u mean like Rudy Fernandez?

I’m saying this for months now, he’s available and very cheap, and worse case scenario is he doesn’t work out,ok he’s outta here at the end of the season just like Chandlyer would be if we trade him straight up..

i feel we need an offensive minded SG, and i think Rudy is the match for this team currently constructed.. I know a lot of people disagree, but I haven’t herd any other realistic solutions..

Yeah I’m not saying that Mayo’s available but I’d probably trade Chandler and Randolph for him.

I don’t think Wilson’s going to come off the bench.

VOR whats good! I hear you I just think the guy never really was in a good place as far as systems go. I just think if we could get him and see him run in the SSOL we could end up with a way better player then he seems to be on the griz. You already know I think Paul George will be a beast if he stays focused My thing with Mayo is like if we get him on his walk year give him run in the system he could blow up but if not he is another asset in a trade or comes off the books if we let him work know what i mean, its a win/win in my eyes. You also know I was threw up in my mouth a little when we drafted Rautins! lol but yea as you saw I was not trying to give up more then TD some 2rd picks and what not.

It really is an ideal scenario for the Knicks.

I did not get too excited about all these rumors about CP3. They are playing the same set of cards that LeBron’s group did – start some rumors, involve NY in some way, keep saying the home team is ahead (CP did that today), and ultimately go to a pre-determined destination. I am not saying that destination is not NY, but their game plan is the same.

It is ideal for the Knicks because they are not in a good position to make a good proposal right now. They can’t include Felton whose salary would have taken care of a good portion of the salary match needs, their assets are undervalued right now etc. The more time they get, the better (from Knicks viewpoint) package they can offer. And they will also be in a better position to assess their needs and decide on taking extra salaries (Emeka) as needed.

In Chandler’s case, I think he’s got a way to go before being able to be a decent SG. He’s got a bad handle for a guy his size, his ball IQ’s not nearly high enough for a position where not only you need a good 3 ball (you have to know when it’s prudent to take it), but you need to have the ability to see the court have some sort of distribution qualities, which I haven’t really seen much.
I’m not saying he can never do it, there’s just a lot of question marks on how well he’ll be able to do it.
Let’s hope Azubuike shows us what he can do.

We have a better team on paper.

I think we’ll have a better record and make the playoffs but I wouldn’t be shocked if we didn’t.

Azubuike needs a nickname FAST!!

jeff if these guys the knicks just acquired cant be given any minutes and they continue to give up 107-109 points a game many on the paint-easy buckets…then obviously DAntoni is the one to blame here and he knows that he dosent have any excuses like last 2 years “cutting salary” so he will be using all of his assets i really do hope…

All I know that there’s a void at SG. Maybe Azubuike, Chandler or Walker (doubt it) will be able to fit the bill, but personally I don’t see it. Who knows what’ll happen or what the coach has in mind. Who knows if Walsh plans to make a move on a SG. All question marks and we’ll just have to wait and see.

I think Chandler gets Harrington’s spot and minutes as scorer off the bench. He’s perfect for that role and not nearly so good for a starting SG. He’s experienced and knows the system.

You could move Amare to the center position and play Gallo and Chandler, just like last year without Lee. It wouldn’t even surprise me to see that as a starting lineup.

Z-Bu????

I think they’ll start with a bigger lineup, but who knows.

Maybe as a backup 2 off the bench, the Cat is smart and savvy. I’m just believing Felton is going to make all of these Cats shine especially IllWill the dimmest of our young guys!Though i would have wished the Knicks would have drafted Derozan back then, or that we could heist Henry from memphis, IllWill is still just 23 and still yet to come close to his ceiling!

how about K-Azz..LMAO!!

No really “Bookie” hows that ?

Either way my man Wittman will be the backup 2 next year anyway!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8VkgIwMfCg

right now the knicks cant do much in the trading dept…however if the knicks can be competitve and everyone steps thier game up we will have a bunch of assets at the trading deadline…on trade i had proposed before was richardson of the suns…the suns have a logjam of wing players like richardson,tukoglu,dudley,hill and childress all proven starters..someone will be unhappy and if richardson is the one i think they could trade his exp contract for eddy curry and wilson chandler..suns would get back expiring contract plus talented youth(somthing they kind of lack at the wing) and the knicks will get his exp contract and upgrade the sg position significantly…what do u guys think??

KnicksYankee – U don’t like the Rudy Fernadez trade?

Thats a very intresting trade I like it, I’d pull the trigger on that..

Richardson is nice, but doubt if the suns would pull the trigger on that..

After he stop laughing he may want to tickle Walsh’s funny bone by asking for AR! Since Memphis love draft pick they would start by asking for the Knicks 2011 1st round pick. But after scaning the 2011 draft again and putting my sights on Jeremy Tyler and Renardo Sydney for the Knicks in the mid-late 1st round for the Knicks i would be hesitant to trade that pick. I would try to get Sonny Weems from Toronto for IllWill, that is after a month into the season IllWill is not carrying his weight at the 2 spot (since the Knicks may have to renounce him next year anyway)!

Mucha as im sure u read I would love to see Mayo here as well but why would we give up so much for a player who is in his walk year who they not only cant afford to resign but already replaced in the draft? They want to upgrade there PG spot so we need a team with a surplus of PG’s as a third team. They cant afford to add more money after that Gay contract and with Gasol about to be a FA. There is no money for Mayo there and nobody in the league is going to over pay in talent for Mayo at this time. Let me correct myself as well at the end of the year is a team option not his walk year. Never the less If they can upgrade at PG and save money as well as add a few more draft picks i think thats a come up for a small market team.

Azubuike if health will lock that SG spot down! But Rudy as a security blanket would be a good move.

Its funny how the Curry contract is finally valuable,, all it takes is team not wanting there current player and be willing to eat the $$..

LOL…it’s funny because it’s so true

I agree with both you dudes….but I thought B. Davis was almost as big for that city and along came CP3…they didn’t lose momentum because they had young ballers keeping it going….they can actually rally behind him what appeared to be demanding a trade…similar to the cleveland and there fans…but it’s a mute point for now…might as well keep it moving as fans……

Im with Whittman! lol

Well Randolph and Mayo will be RFA the same year.

They need guards more than forwards but if they let Z-Bo leave then Chandler + Randolph could make sense.

why did you feel the need to throw Will Under the bus because theres questions about gallo..thats funny…hahah…I’m known as a gallo hater(so not true) and I was asking for him to come back to the States as well to go over things and get familar on and off the couart with his new teammates bonding is just as important as anything…even if it was just a couple of weeks….

and P.S. ILL WILL did pratice with Amare and Randolph……hahahaha….so cant wait….ahahahahhaa

TOP 25 UNDER 25 DEAD or ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!

AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH……

Bookie???? You wanna bet????

Thats one of the dumbest suggested trades I’ve heard in a long time! If i didn’t know better (and I’m not sure i do) i would conclude that your a closet Memphis fan! Or insanely geeked about Mayo!

gallo would make even more sense..so cute how you always trying to hide and protect him from danger..ahahaha

mayo, felton, Amare….gallo….nah he will slow them up and take there strengths away by playing in a up tempo wide open offense..which they would need to thrive on since we would have a small backcourt…maybe the griz are as high on gallo as you are and can trade them str8 up(doubt it)…wasnt they in the same draft…haha funny how that turned out…probably would take feilds and td 2… Amare,ILL WILL,mayo,felton…be a good look……

you dudes are buggin……

clowns are going to be so sorry….

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cant wait……

i can’t believe i just read that from you BOB…i was pretty pumped about the season and new direction of the team but now that i just read you’re predicting 50 wins…I’M ecSTATic!!!!! GO KNICKS

Amare Stoudemire’s a power forward and Danilo Gallinari’s literally a shooting forward. Anthony Randolph is one of my favorite NBA players but we don’t really NEED him and we’ll have to resign Wilson Chandler next summer.

We need OJ Mayo more than Chandler and Randolph. Did I mention the fact that he’s one of the most promising shooting guards in the league and already more productive than Chandler and Randolph??

I believe in Gallinari more than Chandler, it’s a matter of preference at this point.

Felton, Mayo, Chandler, Stoudemire would be SICK as well.

Nate was an undersized PG, who played like an SG. Dantoni will find a way to use Randolph, who is his kind of player.

You WILD Son! When do you holster your gun playa? Surely when you take your boots off!The sun is about to set and you still reloading! Thats why i try to stay on your good side, or rather your less “Billy The Kid Side!”

Black, I like him cause that cat shoot without a conscience, and when you can shoot like that you don’t need a conscience!

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Mucha, You need schooling and I’m not fooling! Though I’m a leave it at that! The Knicks didn’t even win 30 games last season and your saying they don’t need AR’s talent? You won’t keep your “cred” making comments like that!

Last year we were a little worse than average on offense (17th pace adjusted) and of course at the bottom on defense (27th pace adjusted). we ended up 22nd overall as you would expect from those stats.

This year Amare/Felton is a serious upgrade over Lee/Duhon so our staring lineup should be much better especially since the P&R is the the bread and butter of MD’s offense. Last year’s bench however had Al and Nate who could (despite their shortcomings) drop 40 on any given night. We will definitely be missing that. On balance I’d say we will be more consistent but less explosive.

However, the major improvement will come on the other side of the court. better size. better rebounding overall, better shot blocking, better depth upfront etc…

So, we should at least end up in the middle of the pack in both offense and defense (pace adjusted) which typically will translates into 42 W.

The major unknown here with so many new players is of course the chemistry issue.

So the Knicks need Randolph’s talent but they don’t need Mayo’s?

Let me just add one more thing on the chemistry issue.

this is where there is a major advantage in having a strong “system coach” like MD. It makes it a lot easier to start off the gate quickly with a motley crew like this one because everybody knows clearly what their role is.

It’s also why Sloan has always managed to come up with pretty successful teams in Utah

agreed Silent Jay. Chandler will definitely get the chance to start this year, and he deserves it, but if he doesn’t A. Develop a jump shot or B. Develop a handle I’m not sure he will stick as a sg. At that point it would be between him and Gallo to start at the 3, and I’m guessing Gallo would win out that battle. Which is fine when Dantoni’s coach…Bench players play as many minutes as starters because the rotation is usually small to begin with.

alright…3..2..1…Duck!!!

Mayo’s upside is no where near where AR’s upside is! Also the points are seeing who the Knicks are up against Miami, Orlando, Boston, Milwaukee, and Chicago they are going to need exceptionally gifted defensive players like AR more than any other type of player! Also with all the guards Memphis just drafted obviously they are less high on Mayo and/or Conley than the Knicks need to be or you want to be-to AR’s and IllWill’S imprudent exits!

4..5..6..duh

lol

LOL, yeah I’m surprised no ones attacked that statement yet.

“this is where there is a major advantage in having a strong “system coach” like MD.”

I agree with you but that’s meat to the MD haters here.

its painfully obvious this CP3 quote is complete posturing..

i agree that if he gives it a go in NoLA that is nothing but good news for our prospects..

Berger at CBS Sports nailed it..

yeah agreed. Berger usually does good work, and that was a very good read today.

Sloan > _’antoni and it isn’t even remotely close.

just like this past year?

“its painfully obvious this CP3 quote is complete posturing.. ”

Exactly.

Wherever Paul ends up, the important thing now is for the new guys to get settled in as quickly as possible.
Aside from AR, who’s gonna be looking to find his game, everybody else’s pretty much called to step it up.
For me it’s key how Felton settles in and how his game develops under the coach’s “system”. Maybe more important, I wanna see the chemistry he’ll have with Amare, since the P&R’s the bread and butter of the coach.

A-Z as in AZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyGfEdU0_pY

you guys! so predictable. like flies on ….hahaha

I am saying they will win between 39 to 42 games. Not that there record will be 39-42.

Reading is fundamental.