Wilson Not Worried About Trade Talks

I hope Chandler can become a really good player for the Knicks. Rudy has a different skill set, that fits this coach. But I’m a fan and rooting for Ill Will here. But he has to get to the foul line more. He needs be more agressive going to the hole. IMO

i think the only thing holding Wilson Chandler back is Wilson Chandler.

The guy is an awesome athlete and a really efficient scorer. And slightly above average defender. Aside from working on the few points he mentioned above, I really think that if he wants to take his game to the next level, he needs to hang out with Terrel Owens for a week or something. It looks to me like the guy lacks confidence in his game. Which is a shame. If he can liberate himself from his timid demeanor and believe in his game, the sky is the limit.

“It looks to me like the guy lacks confidence in his game” and it will go up with felton and amare in his ear….gta love his attitude towards everything tho.

he’s really not that efficient of a scorer. Without 3 pt shooting and getting to the line, the guy is actually below average in terms of efficiency. Gallo was more efficient than him last year…

The sky is the limit? That’s a stretch. But I think he was worried about the ankle more than anything last year; I think his confidence is fine.

In a half-court style, Wil has a pretty decent ceiling with that midrange. Possibly even at the 2. But in the Spread P&R, the wings have to stretch, and he’s more of a 4 – a spot that we know has a few studs ready to go.

It all depends on what the system will be like the next few years… Are we keeping D’A through good or bad? Who knows. Donnie will have to operate accordingly. You don’t just trade Chandler to trade him, but if you’re keeping the style and can get Rudy, you do it.

Again, Wilson has a great head on his shoulders(in terms of personality, not basketball iq lol), and I would love for him to stick around. I fear the writing is already on the wall with this one though…

His 9 mill cap hold next year is not something the Knicks are going to want to have. They might need to trade him before this happens.

I still say the Knicks should stand pat for now and see what happens. Maybe Wilson’s trade value goes up if he can play a big part on a better team than he’s ever been on

blazers are agressively looking to trade rudy so it will most likely happen before the season starts.

“I fear the writing is already on the wall with this one though…His 9 mill cap hold next year is not something the Knicks are going to want to have. They might need to trade him before this happens.”

i totaly agree with this i dont think the knicks are willing to pay WILL the money he will most likely be due come next year.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/07/trail_blazers_looking_for_a_fa.html

People forget now but before Chandler got hurt last year he was playing really really well. A lot of people on other boards (I wasn’t on Knicks blog yet back then) were saying he had reached another level…I think dude can still improve upon that…

his personality is a bit too passive in my opinion..

i thin people here are wildly over valuing his contributions and potential..

he’s a nice player .. dime a dozen.. not a great deal of value and without a position on this team.. also he is entering his RFA year so he is basically a one year rental..

Maybe we overvalue him but there is something to be said about being productive and he has been. I want to see him play with Amare, he’s never played with that caliber of player before and with an actual starting point…

People forget now but before Chandler got hurt last year he was playing really really well. A lot of people on other boards (I wasn’t on Knicks blog yet back then) were saying he had reached another level…I think dude can still improve upon that…

I totally agree. That was because Wilson began taking it to the hoop. He should be trying to attack the hoop all the time, he is very good in paint and out to the foul line.

He could definitely use some meanness. A lot of games last season he would look dominant in the first half but fall back and defer too much late in the game. I would be shaking my head because during that stretch before he got hurt he was the knicks best offensive player…

I don’t think he is passive. He is just a quiet respectful kid. Dunking on KG is not passive.

lol, one thing about him though is he’s horrible with selling contact. Since he never shows any emotion, always has that same face and demeanor. That’s a big thin in the NBA, especially these days, you gotta sell that contact and get to the line…

That’s a good point actually. I think everyone will get better with Amare down low and Felton running everything. Duhon wasn’t exactly the best floor general.

he’s put up some points but he is incredibly inefficient in his scoring.

and some here are over rating his defense. he is a good post defender but not a good man defender on the perimeter.. and his lack of BB IQ holds him back..

Why do you think he is so inefficient? Well maybe i’m overrating that stretch but when he played really well before he got he wasn’t shooting enough. He’s never been a high volume guy…when he goes to the basket he is very efficient, his whole thing was that he didn’t go to the basket enough…

He deferred too much late in games last year. Maybe D’antoni had something to do with that though to be fair…late in games it usually was Lee, Harrington, and Gallo being called on to make shots…

Trading Chandler for Rudy is a bad idea I can’t see Rudy being a better trade chip than Wilson, if your trying to collect assets you don’t trade your good ones for lesser ones.

TD is a better defender than Rudy we need defenders on the wing so I wouldn’t trade Douglas.

Walker a 2ndrd pick and cash is a good deal from our stand point, they wont get much more than that from any of the three teams.

i honestly dont see why ppl think rudy is a better player then will, or that he fits this “system” better. Ive watched rudy play quite a bit, that being said i much MUCH rather have wilson…

Wilson is a far better defender and has the potential to be way more explosive on the break.

i want the knicks to keep wilson really bad. Wilson, Randolph (major potential), and amare could be an extremely atheletic team, that could be decent on the defensive end (much better then last year)and deadly on the break (that is if felton ends up not playing like chris duhon aka helen keller).

looK at his True Shooting percentage.. TS%

a measure of scoring efficiency based on foul shooting/3 pt shooting and 2 pt FG.

He needs to sell that contact, and hey maybe that three point shooting will improve…

+1…

YEA, idk what it is, the kid has nooo fire. He has the talent to be a top 10player in the league, but not the “HEART” I hate this word, but he has no swag…

idk, maybe he needs someone to tap his jaw, like Chris Childs did to Kobe, to toughen him up a bit..lol.

He really is a very inefficient scorer, I agree with Biggie. People get caught up in his fg% but that doesn’t nearly tell the whole story. TS% and eFG% do a much better job of showing everything and he doesn’t measure up nearly as well in those categories.

Just watching the games, you can see why. He rarely, if ever, gets to the free throw line and doesn’t hit any 3pt shots. That gives him much less points per shot than you would expect based on his fg%. Really an inefficient scorer until he can change one of those 2 things.

The dude can ball. Period. I just don’t like that he is injured every year, but I still think he is worth looking at for one more year. How many knicks over the past 6+ seasons has said repeatedly in interviews that they are busy working on their games besides david lee? That shows promise and I for one would like to see just how he improved this off season. We know what we could possibly have in wilson. So trading him before the season starts just to avoid a cap hold is crazy. If that’s the case why not let him play and increase his value then trade him for somebody better. Not worse. That better fit crap is just that crap. When I hear it, all I can think is that the person saying it means : well he can shoot so huh, doesn’t that mean somethin’, because he can shoot! People get real. You are the same people who dissed gallo saying all he can do is shoot. Nowyou guys want another player who just shoots.

Wilson consistently went into a shell when Harrington was on the floor. He became just another guy standing around with Gallo watching the Al and Nate show.

i honestly dont see why ppl think rudy is a better player then will, or that he fits this “system” better. Ive watched rudy play quite a bit, that being said i much MUCH rather have wilson…

I say better fit because of the 3 point shot, passing ability and ball handling. This coach likes to spread the floor. But I DON”T think Rudy is the better player for my taste but I’m not the coach.

Wilson Chandler wont get traded for Fernandez ( who thinks he wayyy better than he is basketball is not played on one side of the court. ) it doesn’t make any sense at all.

I was just talking to my friend 2 minutes ago about how will is a great player but what kills him is dat he’s not explosive enough. He gets blocked sooo easily. I’m really glad to see he was quoted saying one of the things he’s working on is his “first step.”

Great shooters makes Amar’e more dangerous and vice versa.

OK lets for get about defense and put 4 Andy Rautins on the floor SMH how many shooters do we need Gallo should be paired with a slasher type that can shoot he doesn’t have to be a great shooter that’s Wilson Chandler.

Chandler isn’t the only player being overvalued here – you guys clamoring about how much better Fernandez is DID watch Rudy’s playoff performance this year, right?

With Roy out, and the Blazers playing against the Suns (not exactly defensive stalwarts), Fernandez had his opportunity to shine, and he just couldn’t deliver. McMillan actually wanted to give him more minutes but couldn’t afford to keep him out there longer than 20 min/per.

I thought that kid would shine given the minutes, but now I’m just not sure.

I guess a lot of you guys that seen Rudy, and aren’t a fan, didn’t get a chance to see him in the Olympics…When Spain played the US, at times Rudy was the best player on the floor, Wade/Lebron/Kobe etc included…I think he even HAWKED it on Dwight Howard in that game…

Just like Felton, he has been limited due to the system he was in, and coaches that wouldn’t let him play his game. He was built for this system, and if we were to land Rudy, I’ll put money that he would avg 18-20 next season.

This kid has gotten about the same amount of minutes from year one to year two but most of his numbers has gone down including his 3 ball. While wilson on the other hand has only gotten better year after year. So why are we talking about this kid again?

What’s this deal about selling contact with Wil? He usually squeezes around to avoid contact and get a clear shot, often effectively, around the rim. I don’t think a lack of getting to the line is an issue – developing a catch-and-shoot game, with range, is.

Rudy does just fine off backdoors and on the break.

Yup.

OK lets for get about defense and put 4 Andy Rautins on the floor SMH how many shooters do we need Gallo should be paired with a slasher type that can shoot he doesn’t have to be a great shooter that’s Wilson Chandler.

In Dantoni offense the slasher is the pg. I’m not saying I disagree but Dantoni wants this to be Phoenix east and I don’t blame him his ass is on the line. And did you say D Fense lmao.

@Shakespeare exactly its a system thing. Dantoni loves shooters get over it. He won 62 games and went to the WESTERN conf. finals. With this starting five:

Nash
J.J.
Q. Rich
Marion
Amar’e

Dantoni loves shooters and that is why.

I disagree. Getting to the line is one of the most important things for a player, especially a really good free throw shooter and athletic slasher like Wilson. All the best and most efficient scorers in the league get over 5 free throws a game. Wilson rarely gets 1 or 2, and considering that almost all of his possessions are drives to the basket that’s major to me.

that was probably one of the most detailed observation that I have read on here….ever….besides myself…that excellent point you mad shows your actually watching the games from a overall Basketball perspective… the detail nuances of the game.. not just a simplistic point of you as if your giving your opinion solely looking at numbers from a box score…nice job KF4L……

LONG LIVE ILL WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Did we pay Felton, not Ridnour, based on just stats? It’s about skill set and projection. That’s why we’re talking about “this kid.”

ahahahhahaha…..good stuff…

Have you watched Rudy go backdoor or slash before? Portland’s second unit certainly did it once or twice.

i think its his hair

Just like Felton, he has been limited due to the system he was in, and coaches that wouldn’t let him play his game. He was built for this system, and if we were to land Rudy, I’ll put money that he would avg 18-20 next season.

That’s exactly why we shouldn’t trade Chandler for him, he would be a system player like David Lee, honestly he’s a good shooter and can pass a little I would love to have him on the team AND Chandler he would add to any package for CP3 or Melo, I just don’t think Wil for Rudy is a good trade for the Knicks anyway.

I hear what your saying “pheonix east” but lets look at it.

PG – Nash
SG – Raja Bell
SF – Shawn Marion
PF – Boris Diaw
C – Amare

They won 62 games with Kurt Thomas thrown into the SL a few times, all of those guys can defend their position when they want to. Rudy can’t hold a candle to Bell defensively and he doesn’t do much more offensively.

guys look. wilson has a lot of talent and the gys can defend a little bid…i really believe he will a key player for us this season..he just need to stay focuse in the game.

same dudes who complain about Dantoni in his lack of defense are the same ones that want to trade for a lesser defender a lesser all around player period…matter fact multiple lesser players for that matter….the sames ones who want to keep a lesser SF just to trade the better SF(The best SF out of a gluttony of SF) on our team matter fact the best 2 way player on our team STILL….the same ones who say ILL WILL has a low bb iq prefer gallo who has actually showed THE WORSE BB IQ out of all our young players matter fact the lowest BB iq on the team(considering his time playing professional ball(4+years) going into his THIRD year into the league…he get’s chewed out by Dantoni more then anybody on the team second to nate last year and it had little to nothing to do with his lack of shooting or ability to make shots..but I guess tkb faithful would ignore that for tkb favorite..gotcha..all good..why I’m here).

people have there own personal agenda on why ILL WILL should be traded I think more so to protect gallo(because as a lottery pick and what was suppose to be one of the most important picks in Knicks history he hasnt done S H I T)…or maybe it’s because there’s european dudes on here clamoring to see european players on here in a euro team style of ball……meanwhile dudes allways crying about the 70′z and 90′z Knick’s BasketBall….lotta double talking…gotta love it…so I’m not going to waste time on such buffoonery to entertain the thought of bringing in trash just because he can shoot….I on the other hand will give Dantoni more credit as a Offensive Mind to be able to utilize ILL WILL strengths on both ends of the court which will show with a up tempo type point guard and a Leader that likes to fly as well….so cant wait….(the last laugh is so sweet)….

and ps…this nonsense about TS% is B S…ILL WILL doesn’t shoot 3′z well so of course it’s going to gadge his productivity to be even lower..that STAT is completely useless and can be used as form of a bias perspective(wonder what Shaq and Ben Wallace TS is guess there useless Basketball players even in there prime)….2G’z don’t have to shoot 3′z…they must He must ILL WILL must MR. Wilson must The best 2 way player on the New York Knicks WILL continue to solidify his mid range game “most importantly”…..and for the one/z who constantly refer to ILL WILL as a dime of dozen wing player…let me know in NEW YORK KNICK HISTORY anybody can answer for that matter a wing player who average approximately 16 points 5 rebs shot 50% from the field over 80% from the line and played above the rim besides Spree….IN THE HISTORY OF THE NEW YORK KNICKS(that question has yet to be answered and I asked it months ago..I wonder why..HAHA)….I’ll wait..good luck with that one..and while your at it maybe you and others can look up a better player or equal productivity that get paid as much as he does in the league since he such a dime of dozen player….I’ll wait(not for long because there’s no such player)……AHAAHHAHAHAHH…..1yaself’zzz!!!!!!!!!!!!

ILL WILL AINT GOING NO WHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

LONG LIVE ILL WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOP 25 UNDER 25 DEAD or ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL HAIL MR. WILSON(stop sweatin Me)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STILL THE BEST 2 WAY PLAYER ON OUR TEAM!!!!!!!!!!

(the last laugh is so sweet!!!!..ahahahahahhahahaahhahaah)

R.I.P Sean Bell

L O N G

L I V E

I L L W I L L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I’m done with this post..No Beuno….No Mas!!!!!!)

Nash can’t hold a candle to Felton defensively.

and he keeps getting BETTER..aahahahahah…..

I’m glad you re-thought your first inclination. Will is definitly expendable.

Shaq’s career True Shooting Percentage was .5850, which is 38th all-time in the NBA.

“(that question has yet to be answered and I asked it months ago..I wonder why..HAHA)….”

Probably because no one takes the time to read these novels you write.

i want rudy…just not for will

Shaq was one of the most dominant players ever. He had a good ts% every year and even had some years above 60%. Never as low as Wilson’s 53%, which is below average.

Ben Wallace was one of the best defensive players in the league every year and won a ring. How can you compare these guys with Wilson?

And I think it’s funny you keep saying you like Gallinari, because you just bash him in every single one of your posts.

I like Wilson. I really do man. I’m sorry I don’t feel the same way about him as you do.

chandler is much better from mid range and driving to the basket and a much better defender at the 3 and 2 position. Gallo is a better 3 point shooter. Last year chandler was the more efficient player. Gallo can catch up to him this year if he works on hid mid range and first step. He is 6-10 so he will never be a better defender at the 3 position.

when the Knicks play the Heat do you want Gallo or Chandler guarding Lebron? If you said Gallo, you must be NUTS or simply in love with Gallo. IMO Gallo should not even start this year. He is a much more useful as our six man. I would start Azubuike at the 2 and Wilson at the 3.

YO SON, u so crazy … and in this case crazy correct … aside from Spree, who was a G/F type, the ONLY Knick wing with numbers better than Wil was Bernard (s/b in the HOF) King from ’82 to ’87. There are probably some on this blog who would trade him before Gallo if his time was now ! PS, BK’s career 3 pt % was only around 17 … but I bet he could post up Gallo even NOW !

LOL,,

I kinda miss Nate

no great handle, no great basketball IQ, no great 3 point shot, decent rebounding. A good player, but not close to “top ten” even with fire!

deal chandler before his next contract, we cant afford to be paying him 7-8 million for the next five years, we need to keep flexibility, this guy is close to his ceiling we cant expect much more from him. Bring in rudy who costs pennies the next two years. He can start immediately at the two, fit the system perfectly, and wont handicap us in the melo/paul/dwill pursuit. Normally id hesitate to pull the trigger on an illwill rudy deal, but in this situation you go for it. Rudy helps us lock up that playoff slot, and rounds out the rotation.

Wilson Chandler is the last remaining piece of Isiah Thomas era. This kid in my opinion can help this team alot more then Rudy. I see the concept of acquiring Rudy for future cap reasons, however, if this team can play to its “potential” during the season then we should flip Chandler for either some expiring veteran help, max player to our liking, or younger assets. But in all honesty, we know we are not going to resign him. I think we should wait and see what happens before the deadline. If wilson stayed in college for another year or two, he may not be dealing with these current issues, however, he needed the money and Isiah promising him the late selection made it hard for him to stay. He should only be traded for a player that will take the Knicks to the next level not for marginal talent.

just because a guy doesn’t scream and yell after making a sick dunk/block doesn’t mean he has no fire.

Ill Wil not Ill Will.

I don’t think he’s bashing Gallo, I think he’s accusing people of a conspiracy theory trying to get rid of Chandler so he doesn’t upstage our “beloved” Gallo next season, or something like that…who knows really, either way it’s absurd.

and Rudy is “marginal talent” … I don’t get why so many want Wil out now for cap reasons … He’s and asset on the floor this year and an asset in a deal at the deadline or in a summer 2011 package S&T for a “non-marginal talent” like Melo!

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rudy is not marginal talent why do knick fans hate on this guy so much hes a shooter whos got athleticism and good iq. He was in the dunk contest, but can nail the three too. Bring him in pleeeeeeeeeeeease, knick fans would love him and hed thrive in msg. Him and rubio are gna be a sick tandem here for years to come.

your dumb

+1

clearly he can do more than just shoot the guy was in the dunk contest he can get up and has good athleticism. On top of that hes a good perimeter defender and does well getting in the passing lanes. Most of all everything he has fits everything wer looking for, a couple of years getting paid in peanuts, youth/potential, and a good stroke. On top of all that he plays one of two positions that we have questions at, taht being the 2 (the other being the 5). Bring him in, chandlers gotta go

Haha I’m sorry Rubio? I don’t remember him joining the Knicks. Even if he does one day make it here, I don’t understand why people think he’s phenomenal…he’s is vastly overrated.

you got a mad crush on Chandler.. we get it.

it’s getting a little creepy.. do you have a fat head of him in your bed room?

DONT SAY THAT!

Ohh yeah that’s right he was the guy at the dunk constest that everyone was like he why is in the dunk contest, lol. He’s a good athlete, but not a dunk contest worthy athlete…

“I don’t understand why people think he’s phenomenal…he’s is vastly overrated.”

in regards to this comment about ricky, the kid is only 19 maybe 20 years old at this point and actually started professional ball when he was 16 or 18. The kid is really good. watch a couple games of his nd u wont be saying that.

ridiculous iq, good length, hes got the fire, hes a pro and has been for years, vast potential and a smooth game. In this system, rubio would run this team like few others.

not at all hes just a polarizing player, some people love his game and think hes gonna be a superstar (count me as one of those people), and some think hes ridiculously overrated. Im calling it now put him in the right situation and he can immediately come in and be a top ten pg.

I think he’s vastly overrated.

IMO Chandler for Fernandez straight up would be very foolish. Chandler is already the better two way player, he’s younger, and has very correctable flaws. So his upside is a lot higher.

In fact, I can’t even believe anyone is having a serious conversation about this trade because it would be so foolish.

We do need a true SG and Rudy would probably fit well here, but that doesn’t mean we should give up a better player and prospect to get him.

If we can get Rudy + a pick for Chandler, that might be a worthwhile discussion. The other way around would be worthy of firing the GM.

IMO, the best use of Chandler is to let him play and increase his value this year and then use him at the trade deadline (perhaps with Curry) or next year as part of a bigger deal when we bring in another star level player.

Chandler for Fernandez would be just plain dumb.

If we can get Fernandez for Walker + a second rounder or something like that, I’d be more for it because Walker is less proven, didn’t look that good in summer league, and has bum wheels that remain a risk.