Source: Nuggets Prepared to Explore “KG-Type Deal”

Moving on from Isiah.

Gallo Chandler Curry 1stRd pick

Whatever it takes to get it done.

A KG type deal means basically everyone on our roster. Hopefully we could keep Gallo, Chandler, or Randolph, but I doubt it. Still, next year a lot of vets would take the league minimum to play with Amare and Melo in NY. I think I would give up just about anyone (with the exception of Amare) in order to get Melo.

We can’t give them a first rounder till 2014. Doubt they’d take that.

I think both Houston and Dallas could put together competitive offers. With all those extra picks, Houston seems most likely. Battier/Jeffries/Jordan Hill/Aaron Brooks and a 1st Rounder or 2? That probably does it, though it’s giving up a lot.

Also, New Jersey? Clearly the extension money wouldn’t scare Prokhorov. A package built around Harris and Terrence Williams? Or Brook Lopez?

A kevin garnett deal requires a number of young talented players to trade but also enough talented players left behind for the Knicks to win a championship with Melo. Just giving away the store is not the answer for the Knicks. The same structure applies to any other team that wants a super star like Melo. If you don’t have enough pieces you really cannot successful bid for Melo. Boston had Pierce and Allen. Who do the Knicks keep to surround Melo?

look what Minny got out of the KG deal, basically nothing but Al Jefferson. If I was the nuggets I’d rather keep the Cap space and let Melo walk unless I was getting a legit young stars, which despite how you feel about the Knicks, we really dont have

thats not close to a “KG type deal”

the KG deal was
Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green (two good young players AT THE TIME) ,
Al Jeff (projected to be an all Star AT THE TIME), Telfair and theo Ratcliff (expiring deals but Telfair arguably had SOME value)
AND TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS .. ONE top THREE protected..

Portland, New Jersey, Houston, Washington (if they gave up McGee)
all have the ability to put together a competitive package.

they got two first round picks as well as two good young players (Gomes and Green) and expiring deals ..

just cause Gomes and Green didnt pan out in hindsight doesnt mean Boston didnt pay up AT THE TIME.

Don’t overrate those 1st round picks. KG was the last piece to go in that deal. Minny knew they were trading KG to a team that already had Pierce and Allen. I doubt seriously they thought they’d wind up with lottery picks.

Washington is a good one.. after all Melo is REALLY from Baltimore..

one of the picks was Minny’s own coming back to them.

+1 exactly lol

Not sure that Houston would give all that up for Melo. There lineup is already really good. Not sure if giving Brooks up is a smart move. If they are willing to though, thats one hell of a deal for Denver.

Not sure if Harris and T-Will is better than what the Knicks have to offer. If they include Lopez though, than they definitely beat any Knicks offer.

we should not give up gallo and AR. one of them (i unlike most people on here would prefer to keep AR and trade gallo) along with chandler, walker/td, AZ/fields could very well be better young talent than what Minnesota received. the question is what draft picks can/will we trade – 2014 and 2016? you would think that by then those picks would be towards the end of the 1st round.

well Telfair was originally a big pick up at the time too. I am just saying that unless I am getting a proven young star, I’d rather keep the cap space than take on B level talent and picks.

KG was a former MVP of the league Melo not so much they might want as much as Minny got for Kevin that doesn’t mean they”re going to get it.

Also if Melo wont resign with the team that hes traded to they wont make the deal if he wants NY they have to take what they get.

Curry for Melo lol

didnt boston give up the 5th pick that year (Green) for Allen… so then what 2 1st round picks did they give to Minnesota seeing as how you can’t trade consecutive years first round picks.

Didn’t KG have 2 years left on his deal when he was traded though?

keep the cap space for what? no star players are going to denver. melo is only there cuz he got drafted there.

Telfair had alot of hype like alot of kids from NY…. *cough lance stevenson cough*

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22u2zh3

Indiana deals an expiring and gets the young PG they desperately need.

Denver makes out pretty well there. Maybe that deal can be adjusted to send Wilson Chandler to Indiana and Brandon Rush to Denver.

i dont think b level talent is part of the conversation..

they want good young controlled players AND picks..

I could see Orlando shipping off pieces for Melo.

Bass, Carter, picks… maybe even Rashard Lewis? Though Nugs probably wouldn’t want his deal.

Knicks? I don’t know, I wouldn’t give away people for Melo. If he wants Knicks bad enough, he just won’t sign an extension with any team…

i don’t see denver giving up melo AND ty lawson for what they are getting back. there would def need to be draft picks.

and how old was KG at the time of the deal again?

33? with 15 years in the league?

Keep this in mind people, if Melo isn’t going to resign with Denver and wants to play for the knicks, why would any other team give up tons of talent for a one year rental. The knicks would probably be the only team he would agree to sign with long-term after a trade is made. So for example, why would washington trade there roster and then he leaves, they would be in the same situation as Denver. Boston was able to get KG since Boston knew he would resign with them. Again this all comes down to how bad Melo want NY. Yes, I know Denver can trade him to anyone, but again what team is going to give up a ton for one year, unless your the knicks who you know will sign him long-term

i think Al chuckster for CARMELA straight up is a fair deal,2bad they are on the same team,i guess denver got AL cuz they knew CARMELA wasn’t going to be around for long..

They way big tells it that’s not enough they need ALOT more.

For a 1 year Melo rental?

they had Minny’s lottery pick from the Wally Scerbiak trade.
look it up.

both knicks and pacers should give denver a 1st round pick in this deal. indiana is clear winner as they get young pg and only give up an expiring to do so. and knicks get the clear best player in the deal. troy murphy is expiring and while i like our guys none are assumed to be all stars in their careers, not as much as al jeff was at the time of the KG deal. they need the draft picks too.

“Keep this in mind people, if Melo isn’t going to resign with Denver and wants to play for the knicks”

Where are you getting that from ?

We don’t know that for sure….yet

It would be great if Melos camp could get that info out ah-la Rudy Fernandez.

. he had a year plus a player option at 20 something million.

i’m predicting
melo ends up in Mia some how some way…

Melo is not allowed to say that he’s still under sontract with the Nuggets, but I thought it’s been mentioned many times of his desire to play in NY

any team that gets Melo in a trade will execute an extend and trade..

Hes a FA after this upcomiing season no team will trade for him unless he’s going to resign with them.

IF he wants NY Denver has to take what they get they have little to no leverage its all up to Melo in a trade.

Here’s the Garnett deal with the actual picks;

July 31, 2007: Traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Boston Celtics for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 1st round draft pick (Wayne Ellington) and a 2009 1st round draft pick (Jonny Flynn).

One more interesting comparison is that Garnett was 31 when traded and Melo is only 26. Garnett was pretty done after 2007. He was 14.3 ppg and 7.3 boards last year.

Melo is far more valuable given the useful life left in his career.

Minnesota came out very well as they were going nowhere with Garnett. They have Ellington and Flynn, traded Gomes for Webster, and traded Jefferson for 2 first rounders and Koufas,

who says a one year rental?

why does everyone assume that he will ONLY go to NY?

you know he spent most of his youth from 8 years old living in Baltimore right?

like KG initially said he would not go to Boston things can change .. quickly.

Ok. KG also signed an extension on the day of the trade.

Would there be any reassurance that Melo would sign an extension if traded? I don’t think a non-contending small market team would give up young talent and draft picks if Melo is just going to bolt at the end of the year.

extend and trade?

Doesn’t Melo have to sign off on any extension?

Chris you are absolutely right about what the Knicks can give up and still have Felton, Amare, Randolph and Turiaf as core players. If Denver can get better than the players you propose then so be it. I don’t think other teams have the ability to give away a Gallo and a Chandler and still have enough pieces for Melo to win a championship.

so bart.. he cant change his mind after he hears from Chicago? or DC? or ORlando?.. or Atlanta?.. or Philly?.. or Charlotte?.. oir Memphis?.. or Houston?

why would Denver take Carter or Rsshard Lewis both overpaid and past their prime. Bass is a good role player. Orlando has no players that Denver wants.

Personally, I think Denver would want AR over Gallo. I also think AR has more trade value than Gallo.

of course..

i think the way it goes down is Denver goes out and find THEIR best deal.. for THEIR team.. then unleashes the front office/marketing team from the best offer team and they roll out the red carpet (privately obviously) to convince him to sign the extension..

this NY is his only love stuff just doesnt fly.

if only lol.

A team that would trade for Melo not knowing he wouldn’t resign would be moving a BAD CONTRACT.

I.E.

Gilbert Areans for Carmelo
Elton Brand for Carmelo
Andrei Kirilenko for Carmelo

best case scenerio for knicks is that they just sighn him outright at free agency when curry contract comes off books…that way they keep all their assets and have melo and stat…thas a pretty good team definetely championship contenders for 2011-2012

lol.

Who do you hate more: Carmela or Raymond “Duhon” Felton?

I think the problem that Denver will find is that you won’t be able to get a lot from most teams like Minny was able to do with KG. I say that because there lies a strong possibility that Melo signs elsewhere during FA. If a team can not get Melo to extend then I think that diminishes what Denver can get for him and if you are in NY’s position, if Melo really does want to come to NY, then why trade for him when you can use those pieces for something else or be able to keep them all, as the salary cap allows that is.

Truth. Could Washington make a deal without giving up Wall, though? Blatche, McGee, Seraphin, Heinrich, Thornton and picks?

Denver is not getting anything close to what Minny got.

KG didn’t want to go there and they had to convince him to sign his extension. If he never would’ve signed that ext, Minny would’ve never got all that for KG.

It all boils down to Melo.
No team…and I repeat, no team is going to gut their franchise for a player that won’t sign an extension.

Houston, Orlando, Washington, I don’t care what team thrown out there as a possible destination. If Melo says he wants NY then Den is up $hit creek without a paddle. They just better pray he doesn’t make it public.

ok let’s say this is true and the chris Paul trade rumors were real too… If we deal most of or young core for melo what would we have left for a possible Paul deal? So I’m wondering what would u guys trade for, melo or Paul???

I’d give up gallo, chandler, TD, turiaf, 14′ 1st rounder and 16′ 1st rounder, and one of golden states 2nd rounders for melo.

Teams that could trade for melo: Chicago, Washington, Philly, Portland, and new jersey

you know this is just crazy…is it a coincidence that after carmelos wedding when cp3 made the big 3 suggestion that all of a sudden both these guys are metioned for trades???well it could be one of 2 things…first..these guys REALLY want to make that dream reality…or maybe the media is just trying to keep the buzz and make some money off all these stories…what do u guys think???

+1 I said the same thing earlier

Memphis LOL did you really say Memphis.

He can always change his mind, point is it’s up to Melo not Denver and so whatever team he picks they have to workout a deal with them, being they decide to wait until his final year where they have little to no say in where he’s being traded.

right he signed an extension after being courted by Allen and Pierce and the Boston management team..

what says any other team cant do the same with Melo?

and keep in mind the Flynn pick (#6 overall ) was REAcquired from Boston after Minny traded it for Wally Sczerbiak..

So Boston had an unprotected lottery pick to include int he trade.

Definitely not saying NY is his only love but I think NY is on a short list of team he would sign and extension for. NY, Washington, NJ, maybe LAC, and the contenders.

I can’t see Melo signing an extension if he’s traded to Toronto or something.

Then replace AR with Gallo.

so Melo doesnt want to go to X and then meets with management changes his mind just like KG did..

that cant happen?

if he “makes it public” he is subject to big time fines..

Yep

Both situations are media driven to an extent.

But there is something to be said about Melo not signing that extension yet.

IMO, Denver would be crazy not to explore a deal for Melo if he does not sign that extension. That would be an indication that perhaps he just does not want to be there long term. Not now at least. Denver should not wait until next summer to find out Melo’s intentions and lose him for nothing.

I would think that Denver would want at least one established piece in the deal though. That is why I mentioned Troy Murphy, who is a veteran with an expiring deal who is a double-double machine and can replace Kenyon Martin.

Well duh. lol

If you do replace Gallo with AR then I think that actually has a chance at happening.

agreed.. but some are making this a one horse race which is preposterous.

I would like to keep at least one of them if possible, but if push comes to shove and the only way to get a deal done is by giving up Gallo and Melo, I would do it. Randolph and Gallo are both good pieces, but the problem is they play the 3 and 4, which is where Melo and Amare will be playing for the next 5 years. It would leave us with a lineup of:

Felton/Douglas
Azubuike/Mason Jr./Walker
Melo/Chandler/Fields
Amare/Chandler
Turiaf/Mozgov

I think that team is definitely a top 3 team in the East. Plus, we would still be able to add someone else next offseason, or make a run at CP3 or D-Will.

I don’t think having granger and melo on the same team is a good idea, the ball movement will be dead and both play the 3 so who’s gonna play the 2? Or take less shots?

It can doesn’t mean it’s going to. Paul didn’t get fine….

my only point is it is NOT a one horse race.

if there is a race at all.

It was a three team trade Melo in NY

Look at his NBA Trade Machine link a few posts up.

thanks for the details. KG was def still a top 5 player at the time that deal went down.

LOL this is what it would take to get Billups and Melo!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22w2tzl

Woops wrong link

and the Knicks are NOT going to get him for nothing..

based on the KG deal some of these offers are crazed.

no dude no hate at all,
CARMELA= good scorer with low b-ball i.q.
FELTON is an overall scrub.
DUHON got signed to be a starter when he’s clearly a bench player can’t blame him.

or just use that leverage to give up less and tell denver this is what were offering otherwise we will wait and sign him outright. would be nice to get him this year and make a deeper run. i think the biggest factor will be on him… he will want to push for a trade to ink an extension before new CBA.

We could do the ENTIRE Knicks roster for Melo and Billups! lol

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23to3cy

It’s as simple as that son.

If Melo tells Denver he wants NY, they have no choice but to trade him to NY. If they try to trade him to another team, Melo will tell that team he’s not signing an extension. Then what will that team give up for Melo? Exactly……

It’s called common logic people.

Chandler, Walker, Gallo, and Bukie, 2014 first, and 3 2nd rounders.

That is a pretty good deal.

Gallo (people NOT ONLY KNICK FANS think he will be a VERY good player.

Chandler- Good young player (also expering contract)

Walker- potential

Bukie- GOod young player…

Lisen they will have all the young potiential we are banking on.

We still keep FIelds, AR, TD, Turiaf, Felton and Timmy. And we will still have Curry contract to trade.

Line-up

Felton

Fields

Melo

Amar’e

Turiaf

Bench, AR,Timmy, Mason,TD

That’s a damn good team if I don’t say so myself.

donnie needs to work on gettin d.granger.
i would take him over CARMELA anytime

what about the Nets send Favors, T Will, 2 first round picks and a massive trade exception?

would have to come public directly from him for the league to levy fines. not from “sources” close to melo.

Well, the Boston 07 offseason seemed to be a perfect storm of circumstances.

It’s possible, but for a bottom barrel team to swing that, a lot has to happen.

I would sign up for that. Though I think Mason would probably start over Fields this year.

and something to be said for the fact that CP3 and hornets brass actually sat down and had a meeting.

it’s obvious the nets got alot more to trade for any player in the league even minny has more to deal

Ok are there any other signs pointing to Melo being traded/signing anywhere other than the Knicks?

No. He was 30/31.

yea thats nice and i much prefer to keep AR over gallo. pretty solid bench. i don’t see turiaf as a starter. think AR or mosgov could emerge as starting 5. maybe even curry if we want to show case him and he is motivated.

Someone above mentioned Danny Granger above.

I have talked to friends about him being a guy the Knicks should target if Melo signs his extension.

There were rumblings around the draft that the Nets and Pacers were close to a deal involving Devin Harris and Granger.

Not sure how a deal would work there, but Granger is a very good, underrated player who is a scoring machine. He is the kind of player that can be the second best player on a championship caliber team.

What if Melo says he doesn’t want to play there? What will NJ’s package consist of then?

unfortunately amare is also probably the 2nd best player on a championship team. we would have to get cp3 or d-will.

nope not that ive heard.

The trade doesn’t work unless Curry is included. Denver is way over the salary cap, so the numbers need to match up.

Before a team offers a king’s ransom for Melo, he will sign the extension. So you get a signed Melo for 3+ years. I would think that no one would take him without an extension in place.

love grangers range and overall game but not his being injury prone. still prefer melo.

Im just joking with you man.

BTW, I agree that Granger is very underrated. One of the best 2 way players in the NBA imo. If he becomes available, I would love for the Knicks to go after him. He’ll probably be much easier to get, especially if Paul George develops into a star.

this is sad.

Denver has leverage as well. If Melo goes the free agent route, he loses the $65 million extension. So he will sign the extension whether he stays or goes.

Who knows what the new CBA will set as a max for free agents. Who knows if the Knicks will have enough cap space next year under the new CBA.

So the Knicks, or any team wanting Melo, would be best served by getting him signed and then trading. The Nuggets can simply refuse the deal until they get what they want.

knicksblog….

you mention “bottom barrel” teams like that phrase doesnt include the knicks.

lol

CP3 didnt publicly request a trade.. niether did anyone close to him.

chandler is a one year rental b4 he is RFA with a big cap hold.. no one wants him.

I actually think that’s a really good deal. But would Mello agree to an extension with a rebuilding team? And is Ernie Grunfield smart enough to convince him to?

why wouldnt he want to play there? he was born in Brooklyn and his wife is from there..

if he does say he wont play there then the Russian, Jay Z and Beyonce fly out to denver and convince him.. done deal.

I prefer Melo to Amare as well.

You might be right on Amare, but with that being said, we still have to see him perform as the focal point of a team. He might not be able to bring a team a title on his own, but I think he can potentially be the best player on a title contender. Perhaps Granger and Felton and be second and third.

Melo still has to be the target though.

agreed… New CBA is the 80 lb gorilla in the room.

^800

i disagree. melo can make way more in endorsements a year in NY than any NBA contract would pay him. even more if they win a chip. and he’d be living where he and his wife want to be.

i still think he will want to get traded to NY and extend before new CBA. but cuz of endorsement money its not a must.

Totally agree. What people are really underestimating is the massive leverage that Melo has in this situation. He will not be traded to anywhere he doesn’t want to go. NYC has been associated several times with his desires. He was just married here, his wife lives here, he was born in Brooklyn, he won a national championship with Syracuse (who plays in the garden) and most importantly, his house in Denver is on the market already. Melo is essentially a free agent at this point. Denver is not going to get anywhere near a KG type deal. Can you imagine the future that Carmelo sees?

1) happy wife (check)
2) return to the land of college greatness (check)
3) huge endorsement dollars in the biggest US market (check(
4) All star teammate in Amare Stoudemire (check)

Before people started dreaming about the big 3 in Miami, a super duo was definitely the dream scenario most FA’s were thinking about. Ok LeBum CB and DW broke the mold, but that doesn’t mean teaming with 1 other allstar is now an instantly discredited option. Factor in young talent like Randolph, Gallo, and you get a pretty attractive package.

Last, it would be the cardinal sin(IMHO) for the Knicks to trade Gallo to get this done. We need the depth and versatility at the 2,3,4 that he provides. Yes we are stacked at the 3 (especially if we get Melo) but Galo can great freak matchup problems when moved around the floor at 2 etc etc.

We send Denver: TD, Rautins, Ill Will, Bill Walker, Jerome Jordan and big Ed’s expiring contract. We’d take on Melo and JR and second rounders.

Denver would get more young guards to team with Ty Lawson since Chauncy is no spring chicken. Ill Will and Bill Walker can play SF and Denver is always crying they are small Jerome Jordan can grow and learn on the fly.

We’d have
Felton/Mason
JR Smith/Fields
Mello/Gallo/Randolph
Amare/Gallo/Randolph
Turiaf/Mosgov/Amare

That’s exactly the type of multipositional depth that we need. Can you imagine the nightmares all those big bodies would cause? Not only that, all those bigs can RUN and play a little defense. Mozy is the unknown (I think he surprises) but even with Turiaf it would be a nice lineup with AR coming off the bench. Felton is only 6’1″ ish but scrappy, JR/Fields are 6’6″ and 6’8″ respectively, Melo is 6’9″, Galo 6’10″, Amare 6’10″…

Bill walker, wilson chandler, eddy curry, landry fields, timofey mozgov and a first round pick?

So you disagree that the Knicks and Melo would be best served by getting him signed to an extension before the new CBA. That’s bad business.

The Knicks would be trading for an expiring contract with no guarantee that he would sign.

Melo would be giving up $65 million guaranteed with no idea of what he could get as a free agent.

I think Denver could get more in trade just to rent Melo out for the playoffs.

You think our roster is still bottom barrel after signing Amare, Felton and getting AR? I think that’s a team that could easily make a playoff run.

Glad to see you upsized your gorilla,

There will be no rental trades.

Nets idea.

Devin Harris, Favors, Terrence Williams and 2 first rounders will probably get it done.

There will be no trades for Melo with a pile of scrubs and expiring contracts.

Denver has 14 players signed already, they need a 6 for 2 trade like they need Eddy Curry to be role model for their young players,

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm

They need cap relief, so obviously a multi team trade makes more sense if they are entering the rebuilding phase (losing Melo definitely means rebuilding). I wonder if this could even end up as a 3-5 team trade.

melo has a very close relationship with Michael Jordan- I think the Knicks need a killer point guard,not another (high profile) chucker- a deal w the Bobcats is a high possible.Plus, I think MJ wants to get in on this free agent BS.

@Mal .. That trade is stupid, Denver gets nothing .. Good job ..

There’s no way Denver is trading him here without taking back either Randolph or Gallo. If you trade a top 10 player in the league and the best you get back is Toney Douglas and Wilson Chandler you might as well just fold your franchise. If Melo wants out that badly they’ll make him wait and give up $65 mil and spend the cap space on better players than that. JR Smith is a bum IMO they can keep him.

…What’s the bs source this time? Got everybodys nipples hard in anticipation. Damn, at least wait and react to some foreplay. Carmello not yet signing isn’t that. Glad management isn’t as desperate as the fans.

I find it hard to believe Melo will be traded. The Nuggets are a playoff team. Why would they be pressured to trade Melo? Bosh and Lebron weren’t traded and most knew they were probably going to jet.

If he is traded to the Knicks AR and Gallo will both traded. And Melo has lots of leverage…..no team will give up bank for him if hebisnt commited to re

LOL.. how bout we incl Isiah too?

If a miracle happens after all is said and done…we gotta be left with a solid starting 5 in place and great 6th man off the bench. Can’t fleece the roster for 1 star, whether sign&trade now, in FA, or a 3 team deal. Don’t copycat Boston or Miami. We can take it to the next level.

I find it hard to believe Melo will be traded. The Nuggets are a playoff team. Why would they be pressured to trade Melo? Bosh and Lebron weren’t traded and most knew they were probably going to jet.

If he is traded to the Knicks AR and Gallo will both traded. And Melo has lots of leverage…..no team will give up bank for him if he isn’t commited to resigning.

@Jayo LMAO
Im trying not to lose Gallo or Randolph BUT I know deep down any trade with the Nuggets its going to cost us one of the two, if not both.

JR Smith is a bum IMO they can keep him.

IMHO JR is a heck of a talent, his only problem he is a young head case. He can hit treys, he can drive to the hoop and finish, he is 6’6 and can play defense.

agreed the CBA is a big factor but you better beliee Melo is gonna try to investigate how his brand will thrive in a big market like NY…Melo building his brand in NY w/ Amare in the NYC market is the elephant in the room that whoops the gorilla’s ass!!!!!

Agreed, I’m so sick of hearing what Orlando “has”. The only thing they have is Carter’s contract.

Exactly.

No team will trade for Melo with the hope that after he starts to play for them, he’ll change his mind and decide to stay.

don’t forget to send James Dolan

quite frankly we’re so usedo giving up the farm on trades we dn’t even know how to negotiate from a position of power…
first of all this is not the KG situation…Melo is abou to enter FA and could possibly leave DEN w/ NADA!!!!! you know what that’s known as…anyone?…LEVERAGE…Melo could make it known to DEN that if he’s shipped to a team he doesn’t wanna play for he will not sign the ext…LEVERAGE…w/ that kind f leverage NY doesn’t necessarily have to give up too much…Turiaf, TD, Walker, Rautins, Rautins, and a 1st round will get it done. that’s good young Cheap talent w/ a wily veteran to keep the locker room stable…
In the KG they gave up Gomes (SCRUB) GREEN (ATHLETIC BUT SCRUB) TELFAIR (ALL HYPE SCRUB) AND AL jEFF (POTENTIAL0 so to say that they gae up a boat load of talent is absolutely false not to mention the very noticeable wink-wink deal McHale had w/ Ainge i mean come on fellas this is nowhere near the same situation as a Melo deal…
We have to give up some assets when it comes to CP3 cuz he on the other hand has significantly less Leverage so thats when Felton, Curry, BUike and w/e draft picks we can muster come in…the reason i don’t include Gallo & AR in the trade is cuz Gallo came to the NBA to play for D’antoni and the NYK thats it. Bottom Line…if he gets traded to NO as a RFA he will play out the season and then head back to Italy when he gets the chance (very little incentive for NO to pursue him) and AR i believe will make a case to be untradeable but i do see how NO would aim fr him being that his Louisiana roots and his Allstar talent will help relievethe sting of losing CP3 so i will now change my stance…

Turiaf, TD, Walker, Rautins, Rautins, and a 1st round for MELO

Felton, AR, Buike, and w/e draft picks w can muster for CP3…
I believe these superstar link ups are real and i believe Melo & CP3 wann pay w/ Amare and not let the Miami Queens run the NBA for 6 yrs…

CP3
Melo
Gallo
Amare
Drago

Bench: Chandler, Fields, Mason Jr., J Jordan

before you guys get caught up w/ the positions understan that D/Antoni is all about matchups and more importantly playin the best 5 on the floor as much as possible

that bein said i lovethe team we’re goin to battle w/ and the playoffs are VERY REAL…and whover puts the Bobcats in the playoff picture are retarded cuz they just lost their starting PG and C w/ a very unproven replacements in a very slow overcomplicated and disciplined system…the only chance i see CHA gettin into the dance is if MJ suits up…
GO KNICKS

The fact that prob 98% of the people in the known universe would not take Granger over Melo should tell you something about your logic here pal.

This new cba situation is so funny because people think the elite players are going to get vet minimums or something lol. I have no clue what it will be when the dust settles, but I think players of Melo’s caliber will still get excellent deals, just not the large amounts of years.

And he’s an expiring.

The source also said that the Nuggets “will be looking for the best offer”

Now that’s a big surprise!

Boy those sources are sure full of valuable information!

I got it!

First we trade fat boy to HOU for JJ.

then we do in 3way trade we get back al Harrington, Curry goes to denver, JJ to hou and melo to NY. somehow zebo and isiah are involed and end up in Denver.

Everybody is happy!

The Nuggets would rather keep melo if that was what they are offered.
Melo has almost all of the leverage in a trade. If melo says he won’t sign an extension, no trade. If he demands the Knicks the deal would be.

Randolph/Gallo
Chandler
Curry
3 Second round picks
Buike

I read every post and seen how some have come to the conclusion that Melo is either not coming cause we don’t have the pieces or we will have to give up the house plus the kitchen sink to get him or whatever people may say. But I am yet to see one post on why it is without a doubt going to come down to Melo wearing a Knicks jersey or Nets jersey.
Fellas that one reason is LaLa Anthony!!!!!!! Lala has sacrified her own career for the longest in Denver and knows that for her to resurrect her career that can only happen in NY. She has gone on record as stateing that she want’s to move back to NY to be around family and get her career back up and running. Some of you may think that I am crazy but let me tell being married for eight great yrs myself what a woman wants in a married 9 out of ten times she gets and that is exactly why Melo is not going to sign the extension.
Also, this will not turn out like the Lebum saga where we later have come to find out that his team wanted him to come to NY but he knew he would not be able to handle the pressure and elected to jump on another mans swag for a championship. Reason why that won’t happen, Lala is that TEAM and WIFE and this is what she wants.
Lastly as a fan you will have to ask yourself what are you willing to give up in order to get an All-Star in the orange and blue. I personally feel that Melo and the Knicks hold all the cards in this situation if New York is really where he wants to be (which I believe 100% because Lala said so). Two of these reasons that have me overly excited to be a knicks fan are; One, any team will be foolish to trade for him if he is not willing to sign an extension with them once traded which ultimately give Melo all power. Two, this is why the knicks I feel have power in this play also, if Melo is telling teams that he will not resign an extension then the knicks can low ball offers to Nuggets and pry Melo away because instead of lose Melo to free agency next year they want something in return. So just offer what we don’t want CURRY!!!!!! I know it will also take a little more in that trade but if the Nuggets don’t except whatever we offer, Melo has already said that he is not scarred to test the free agent market in 2011 so we win there too, IF HE REALLY WANTS TO BE A KNICK!!!!!!!!!! So die hard fans just relax stay cool pimpin cause our day in the sun is coming the only question now is will it be this year or next. Lets Go Knicks!!!!!!!!!!!

I know I’m going to get slammed for this, but going all out now to get Melo is suicidal and is the type of trade that Isiah would do.

Let’s look at the record.

Melo never got out of the first round until he was paired with an elite PG (Billups)

Amare Played his entire career next to an elite PG.

So why would you want to pair those 2 before you have an elite PG on the team. And don’t give the BS excuse that somehow 2 great players will make it work. History shows that is simply not true.

First you get an elite PG. This may be Felton if he is given a chance ( I have my doubts). And if it is, then great, you try to get Melo. Otherwise you try to get Paul or DWill if he is available.

In the meantime, Melo might just come cheap. After all Denver is hardly in the driver seat here. look at what happened with CLE and TOR. Both clubs were talking pretty tough 6 months ago, and then …

I don’t think your argument is absurd at all, but I disagree. Melo hasn’t won with an elite PG, that is true. But I’m not sure that having an elite PG has helped him all that much. He scores most of his points taking his man one on one situations. Denver uses a ton of isolation. I think that having an elite scoring big man and an average PG will help him more. Teams will have to give him more open jump shots. Although Melo struggles from 3-point range, he is deadly with the mid range jumper. Also, Felton obviously isn’t in Billups league. But he has never had players like Amare and Melo. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Felton average around 7 or 8 assists, playing alongside arguably the best P&R player in the NBA.

Totally agree with Felton elevating his game, also one comment about Melo. Denver’s offense would stagnate sometimes to where he was just stuck out there shooting threes. Melo is a streaky shooter. When the stroke is there, he’ll rain threes. But when the offense breaks down and shot selection is poor, he jacks it up on bad looks because if you don’, Chauncey will.

“It’s possible, but for a bottom barrel team to swing that, a lot has to happen.”

Boston was a bottom barrel team at the time, which is why KG originally balked at the idea until they signed Allen.

Well, first I did say That felton might work out really well in this system. I just would like to wait and see if he actually pans out before we commit to Melo.

Second, I don’t believe that MD will allow Melo to free lance on his own too often. That runs very much against what MD tries to implement on the court. Also I would be surprised if you saw many ISO being run.

Again, I want to see that we have a true elite PG in place first. And if it is Felton then great, let’s get Melo!

Besides that’s a lot of changes already. let’s see what we got first.

When you start a sentence with an “If” it’s not “common logic” it’s pure speculation,

they would include Favors they would have to in order to even have a shot. We cant beat Harris,Favors,T-Will,Zoubek and a first rd pick or 2.

This is team sports not an algebra equation. Melo and Amar’e could do great things as a tandem regardless of who’s running the point honestly.

The only thing that “history shows” is you need at the very least two very good players, thats about it.

Who would we be in competition with? Name a team that can give a better package than us?

I disagree, I think Mike’s been waiting to accompany his PG and PF’s with an elite scorer who he can go to when the game slows down in the playoffs. I think he’d welcome a freelance type who has size and can score in the myriad of ways Melo can.

When things would break down in the past on his Phoenix teams, he had nobody who could get there own shot off in the half court aside from Nash. It usually came down to Nash doing pick n roll “keeps” or trying to break his man down off the dribble for off balance shots (granted he made a lot).

I think a pure scorer like Melo, along with great PG play and a stud PF running PnP’s would be what he ideally would want in a basketball team.

MD would have to adjust his system a bit to for Melo. But honestly, if he wont do it, than another coach will. The Knicks should be able to win 55 games with that roster on talent alone. I totally understand where you are coming from, and I am excited about our current roster too. But I think that if the Knicks have a chance to get Melo, they have too. Chances like that don’t come around very often.

“The only thing that “history shows” is you need at the very least two very good players, thats about it.”

Yup. I think its amusing when people say that Amare and Melo aren’t good enough pieces to win a championship. Since when do you need 3 legit super stars to win a championship? Just because the Heat were able to get 3 stars, doesn’t make it the blueprint for winning.

Hmm… teams with more assets than us are:

The Nets- Lopez, Favors, T-Will, Harris, picks.

The Trail Blazers- combo of Aldridge, Roy, Oden, Batum, Fernandez, Bayless, Miller, picks.

The Rockets- Brooks, Ariza, Hill, Battier, Jeffries, picks.

Thats about all I can think of.

Guys, I negotiate for a living.

So, before you give the farm away for Melo just stop and think for a minute.

If there is anything to that rumor, Denver is essentially telling you that they have no control over the situation whatsoever. Sounds familiar? Like Tor and Clev 6 Mth ago maybe?

If Melo can be persuaded to come here you probably can get for next to nothing! What did MIA give up for LBJ or CB4? And they had plenty of competition.

This time around the competition won’t be nearly as tough when you think about it. So what’s the rush? For once we are in the catbird seat, let’s not blow it please!

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think we need to trade for Melo. Couldn’t we actually get him as a FA by getting under the cap next year?

Not entirely sure about that, but we have a lot of expiring in 2011 and of course the new CBA coming up.

I realize that it is kind of a “nuclear” option but still has value as negotiating ploy.

I made a sweet comment, and it is awaiting moderation. Ghey…

I sort of answered that.

First, I do think Felton might flourish in this system but he has ti prove it first.

Second, MD won’t allow Melo to go off free lancing on his own as he did in Denver. I seriously doubt that. But then again….I’ve been wrong before.

lastly, in half court playoff sets Melo could at times be a very valuable asset because of his one on one skills. A 2 edge sword though.

i did not suggest that Russ.

“Second, MD won’t allow Melo to go off free lancing on his own as he did in Denver. I seriously doubt that. But then again….I’ve been wrong before.”

That may be true. But then again, I think its easier to find a coach that can coach Melo, than it is to find another Melo.

nice try but KG had the exact same “leverage” as Melo.. he had one year and a player option when they moved him in the extend and trade.

And KG was MUCh older with waaaay more hard miles.

when exactly did LaLa “say so”?

you know Los Angeles is a short flight from Denver right?

Actually, I just remembered a pretty good historical precedent of what an Amare/Melo team might be like without an elite PG.

Think of the 76/77 PHI with Julius (Dr J) and Mc Ginnis who were the two best forwards at the times and got beat by POR and Walton. I know, I know… That was a long time ago and who remembers. But that is a pretty good example because that was the best that team ever did and they had to dismantle it eventually.

It’s a wrap….That’s all folks!

i dont think nj would trade brook lopez imo. he is a borderline all star, who is cheap. it is extremley difficult to find a 22 year old center, who puts up the numbers that brook does. i dont think harris is an asset anymore. they have billups anyway and harris is scrawny, file, always hurt.

the picks and favors and cap room are huge for nj.

“But then again, I think its easier to find a coach that can coach Melo, than it is to find another Melo.”

there you go. why don’t you just fire the coach now! that way melo himself can run the team. problem solved

Yeah I’m not saying they necessarily WOULD beat the Knicks offer. But they definitely could, if everyone on their roster is available. I think that Harris, Favors, T-Will and a pick is better than anything we can offer. Harris may not be elite, but he is still an above average PG. A Harris/Billups backcourt is pretty good. Both guys are “big” PGs, so they wouldn’t be too over matched.

She herself said that he wants to play for the Knicks on Hot 97 but didn’t want to talk about much because “Denver is a great organization”.

devin harris can’t even stay on the court. he is a weakling. i am not a fan of him at all and i doubt denver would be.

the nets have picks though and caproom so we shall see. not to mention favors obviousally. blopez isnt going anywhere though imo.

i doubt denver trades melo until the deadline if they do at all.

nj starting pf is either humphries or favors. avery said outlaw will not play the 4. they can definitley ill afford to trade brook. who starts at the center? petro haha.

what the nets should have done is either overpaid for lee or boozer.

used favors picks williams to posibly trade for melo.

harris
lee
melo
lee
lopez

top 5 seed in east. but instead they sign travis outlaw and other scrubs. bad offseason for the nets.

I hear you. Not sure they would have been able to get Lee/Boozer though, even if they tried. Lee got a max contract. They would have had to do a S&T with the Knicks in order to offer him that much. I doubt they would/could have beaten the package GS gave the Knicks. Also, I can’t imagine Boozer signing with the Nets over the Bulls.

Actually nvm about Lee. The Knicks couldn’t choose where he signed.

agreed about boozer not going to nj, but lee easily could have. he would have been a nice fit next to lopez. then could have either developed favors who is years away imo if he even amounts to anything… it is extremley possible he will be a bust imo but well see. thye could have used favors then as trade bait with the picks. it is nonsense that they spent all that money on outlaw, farmars, petro, and (i like anthony morrow).

Yeah I think Lee definitely would have been a good fit. Its kind of hard to blame them for not giving him a max contract though. I mean GS REALLY overpaid for him. There plan definitely failed, but they have a very good young core. If they are able to add a super star (someone like Granger, Paul, D-Will, or Melo) than I think the Nets made the right decision in the long run. Right now though, there team isn’t much better than last year. Favors is still a couple years away, and Farmar, Outlaw, and Morrow are really bench players. I think T-Will is going to have a breakout year though.

This is what I think … we just wait til Dec. 15 & hope felton does good so we can throw him in the melo trade..shed his cap…give em chandler, turiaf, td, & walker or fields…or maybe even roger mason jr. ……….then with Melo already signed here…..we will have money for nxt yr offseason still [if CBA works out for best] ….& idk what free-agents are out next yr…but im sure any1 would wanna play with STAT, MELO,GALLO,& AR …..&even if we still have felton….we can sign player for mid-level …a good player that can help us or can be used in a trade for CP3 or DW……..also don’t forget we have a 1st rd pick nxt yr….never know…may end up with a good player there too

lol why aren’t they exploring a Pau Gasol deal?

Btw the Nets can offer a better package than the Knicks but not a better situation in terms of winning. I think playing with Amare Stoudemire and another young player’s more enticing than Brook Lopez and a bunch of nobodies – even though Brook’s a great young player.

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NY is the drivers seat and don’t need to give up their assets by depleting the team to get Melo. Why? Melo will be a free agent after the season PERIOD! Its common sense to know that Denver want a lot when they are not the one driving. Either they take what we have to offer or we just WAIT! Other teams will stay away because Melo will probably not sign an extension, which we all know THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Enough with crazy speculations until Denver come calling!

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