Congrats to This Year’s HOF Class

While I was only 4 years old when that team won the gold

Wow, you look terrible for 22.

Oops, thought it was Tommy lol. My bad.

I actually disagree with you on Rodman, Chris. I believe that he is worthy of Hall of Fame mention.. The guy played a key role on 5 championship teams. He was the best rebounder of his day. While a Piston, he was a tremendous rebounder. Sure he acted crazy at times, but for the most part it seemed to be a manipulated craziness. He did so many things to help his team win. I mean, if a guy like Bill Bradley is in the Hall of Fame, why not Rodman?

Rodman was not only a great rebounder but he also was a dominant defender. IMO he is a HOFer

He still looks terrible for 22. LOL

Yea Rodman should definitely be in the HOF. Without question.

Then again, Pete Rose isn’t in the HOF yet, is he?

Congrats to the Hall of Famers.

Scottie Pippen was a player that I loved to hate.Incredible player with an incredible story of his life. Does anyone know how much the BULLs were paying him???

Karl Malone is the strongest Power Forward IMO that ever played in the NBA. Stayed in the weight room.

I can buy the argument. He did not dominate the game the way guys like the other HOFers on the ’92 Dream Team did, but those guys were iconic.

Most of the players I have seen get inducted over the last couple of years, such as Jordan, Pippen, Stockton, Malone, etc. were at the top of the game. Rodman was role player, but a very unique one at that.

Is that based on that little picture that used to be up on the site or based on seeing me in real life?

Because I actually look worse than that picture would suggest…

Chris, I’m sorry you never got the opportunity to follow Bird/Magic during that era. It was great basketball. There was such competition and rivalries in those days. Words can’t describe the play of those guys. And the teams were so deep. You could have 5 Hall of Famers on ONE TEAM (that was before expansion). I’m old enough to have seen so many great players and teams. The 70′s era Celtics (Jo Jo White/Charlie Scott/Havlicek/Cornbread/Cowens), The Bullets (YESSSS Before the name change!) Unseld/Phil Chenier/Dave Bing/Elvin Hayes..and the GREAT Sixer teams (Dr J/Moses Malone/Andrew Toney/Mo Cheeks)..And just various other players that you probably hear about but never truly got to see in their prime (McAdoo/Randy Smith/Ernie Digregorio)..DAMN, I miss those days..I think you would have loved it at that time. Okay..I’m done reminiscing, back to the garbage of the present..

And yeah, I think Rodman deserves some consideration for the HOF.

“McAdoo/Randy Smith/Ernie Digregorio”

Wow bring back memories for us old guys. That was a great team in Buffalo NY called the Braves. You forgot to mention John Shumate and the great Adrian Dantley.. All starters on that Buffalo Braves team.

i think bogues should be in the H.O.F becuz he’s the smallest player to ever play the game an did it for a good number of years.

rodman mos def deserves some consideration.

Who will be the next Knick to make it into the HOF?

Maybe Mark Jackson gets in… then again I guess he’s more remember for being a Pacer as he played more years outside of NY than here and he actually went to the FInals with that team.

Hmmmm. It’s gonna be a long drought.

I never really enjoyed watching Bird, McHale and Parish beating up Cartright and the Knicks myself.

The guy I would’ve liked to have seen play was Maravich.

I think Rodman should be in for sure. Best rebounder ever, and played D, and actually could score if asked to. He didn’t leave the game b/c he was done either, but because of his weirdness, so his career totals could be much higher.

How many of those rings does MJ or IT win without Rodman?

I dunno, but it’d be less I think.

“Yea Rodman should definitely be in the HOF. Without question.

Then again, Pete Rose isn’t in the HOF yet, is he?”

No he’s not.

Don’t really understand the correlation between Rose and Rodman here HaS?

One’s the definition of a fringe HOF’er who should get in someday, and the other would’ve been a sure fire, first ballot inductee, but disgraced himself and the game.

While I think Rodman is HOF caliber and should be inducted one day, he shouldn’t go in the same year as Karl Malone, no way no how.

Mozgov

Russian HOF (if they have one)

Lucky bastard…

I admit I love Scottie Pippen, one of the freshest NBA players ever.

He actually finished 3rd in MVP voting when Jordan was playing baseball. Great, great, great player.

LOL

My personal “hater” I knew you couldn’t avoid me for too long.

Anyway, the correlation imho is that I think if Rodman had an uneventful career off the court he would be at least a 2nd ballot HOF.

He has 5 championships.

2 All-Star appearances.

NBA All Defensive First Team 7 times.

NBA Defensive Player of the Year twice.

Led the league in rebounding 7 times.

Oh, and he was what 6’7″ tops. Crazy.

Pete Rose is Pete Rose. Fantasy Baseball numbers.

They both if looked at by the numbers alone, would be in their respective Halls of Fame.

Imho.

I agree TD

The level Malone was playing at in general during those 2 finals runs was MJ like (aside form the missed FT’s)

You could make the argument that Karl could’ve grabbed one of those titles from Mike if it wasn’t for Rodman battling him tooth and nail on nearly every possession.

Rodman’s biggest HOF knock, is what Chris just alluded to before, his “Role Player” status.

Its hard to be looked at as HOF lock when you were never regarded as the best or even 2nd best player on any of the teams you played for and won on.

“Mozgov”

LOL

Even if Stoudemire puts up better numbers than he put up in Phoenix in NY for the rest of his career, I’m not sure if that gets him in. He’s 27-28, how many more strong years does he have left? Enough to overtake any of Ewing’s records? Nah. He could get his jersey retired here maybe, but unless he wins 1 (maybe even 2) championships I’m not sure he gets in.

Hopefully either Gallinari, Chandler (for YO SON) or Randolph overachieves in their careers here. They may be our only hope.

Is Pat Riley in there yet?

Yeah I do not know who will be the next HOFer. Can be a really long draught. Maybe Amare if he can squeeze out a title here.

“Because I actually look worse than that picture would suggest…”

Honestly isn’t always the best policy, lol.

Just to clarify, obviously Rose was a better player in baseball than Rodman was a basketball player, just comparing the “politics” if you will that effect their consideration for induction.

Rodman could dominate a game defensively and on the glass like no one I’ve ever seen, especially for someone his height. Like Tommy mentioned Barkley was another premier rebounder and he was pretty short for a PF, but more athletic than Rodman.

Pippen was nice, but I hated his guts on thee Bulls once I became a Knick fan. Funny enough before I actually “declare(d)” my allegiance as a hardcore Knick fan (we all make mistakes) I actually liked the Bulls.

(we all make mistakes)

ROTFL

the dream
the admiral
pipz

“LOL

My personal “hater” I knew you couldn’t avoid me for too long.”

You truly crack me up dude lol.

Your score keeping tab skills on the TKB are unmatched lol. You seem to be taking this HaS persona a little bit too seriously don’t you think ?

In this whole sports talk thing, you gotta buy Mr. Has for what he’s worth and sell him for what he thinks he’s worth.

You’d really make a killing.

Sorry bro, but this isn’t personal, this is just sport talk here…and since you post more than anybody I’ve seen on this thing ever, the odds are I might chime in on something you post, that I may be in disagreement with..again nothing personal.

I just thought your correlation wasn’t a sound one. Sure they both had some off the court issues, but this…

“He has 5 championships.

2 All-Star appearances.

NBA All Defensive First Team 7 times.

NBA Defensive Player of the Year twice.

Led the league in rebounding 7 times.

Oh, and he was what 6’7″ tops. Crazy.”

…couldn’t hold whats below’s jock strap with two hands.

Pete Rose – Major League records:

Most career hits – 4,256
Most career outs – 10,328
Most career games played – 3,562
Most career at bats – 14,053
Most career singles – 3,215
Most career runs by a switch hitter – 2,165
Most career doubles by a switch hitter – 746
Most career walks by a switch hitter – 1,566
Most career total bases by a switch hitter – 5,752
Most seasons of 200 or more hits – 10
Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits – 23
Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at bats – 13 (1968–1980)
Most seasons with 600 at bats – 17
Most seasons with 150 or more games played – 17
Most seasons with 100 or more games played – 23
Record for playing in the most winning games – 1,972
Only player in major league history to play more than 500 games at five different positions – 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)
National League records:
Most years played – 24
Most consecutive years played – 24
Most career runs – 2,165
Most career doubles – 746
Most career games with 5 or more hits – 10
Modern (post-1900) record for longest consecutive game hitting streak – 44
Modern record for most consecutive hitting streaks of 20 or more games – 7

You could and should’ve have went with Robbie Alomar, with some of his off the field issues, but even thats a stretch IMO, as he is arguably top 3 greatest modern day 2nd baseman of alltime.

Rodman is on the greatest PF’s list somewhere, but in no way is his situation anything like Pete Rose’s.

I see where you were trying to go with this, but I’d suggest getting to know the levels of your sports greats a little more before you start correlating them.

…And HaS, stick to hoops please lol.

wow,
chris the whole post and all the responses.
i don’t see the name dennis johnson once.
wow.

he was some player.
him and gus williams with the sonics were out of this world.

we know what he meant to the celtics.
and you may say i’m crazy, but as i watched the highlight reel for dj, i had a slight vision of…….landry fields.
same kind of player. quiet, heady, fundamentally sound, defensively capable, skilled. maybe there is a chance landry can fulfill some of that similarity. and remember dj’s brother said at first he was not a starter in the nba; that really evolved when lenny wilkens became head coach.
go landry fields.
and yes, everyone should check dj’s highlights. because he was special.

“Just to clarify, obviously Rose was a better player in baseball than Rodman was a basketball player, just comparing the “politics” if you will that effect their consideration for induction.”

The Numbers and the politics are very very different. One is arguably the greatest hitter ever and committed the unforgivable cardinal sin of baseball.

The other is top ten maybe (depending on how much scoring influences your decisions)and biggest sin was a kick to the balls and fetish for cross dressing, among other trivial things.

The reasons to keep the Worm out the HOF will seem more trivial by the year and he’ll prob get in eventually…Rose’s are well a bit more complicated to say the least lol.

With all the great players on that team and you talk mostly about Pippen in your article ? You have to be kidding me ! The same guy that after watching Ewing , Oak , Mase and Xman mug Jordan every time he came down the lane just to get up shoot his free throws and come right down the lane again fearlessly the cery next time he got the ball . The same Pippen that would after watching a real champion with the heart of a lion like Jordan would then take a pass and see Mase or Xman coming would take three dribbles back and throw up a 3 !

I know you are being truthful about being 4 then because you are reciting the Pippen hype not the reality that he rode Jordan’s greatness to fame and fortune and how soft he really was .

It all makes sense now HaS lol.

A Bulls fan, disguised as die Hard Knick fan, disguised as a Knick hater, now secretly disguised as a Miami fan perhaps???

Hmmm questions abound?

A title could do it.

His league wide competition at his position is somewhat slim and dwindling now, aside from Gasol…maybe Bosh, although he’s sure to take a statistical hit.

There was nothing “soft” about Scottie Pippen aside from the time he pouted about the Kucoc thing.

Did a lot of the dirty work for MJ like guarding the best perimeter players nightly and being one the most durable players of his era.

Soft lol, yea ok.

“Freshest” lol Thats refreshing to hear, my girlfriend kills me everytime I say “dope” or “Ill”

Scottie was Fresh without a doubt.

Rodman completely ignored the offenisive end of the floor after he left the Pistons. He also made a spectacle of the league and himself throughout his career.

He was one of the greatest defenders I have ever seen. A great rebounder too. Problem is, at least with rebounding, it is all he concentrated on so its hard to say if a guy like Barkley only rebounded and didn’t care about FT shooting (which Rodman openly didn’t even try to make at times) and scoring how dominant a rebounder Barkley would have been.

Rodman is borderline HOF material to me. Great role player, but is a role player a hall of famer?

Interesting factoid:

DJ’s younger brother, Joey, was the only other person to touch the 11 1/2ft nail set in the beam of an Idaho bar to mark the standing jumping record of fellow 2010 HOFer Gus Johnson.

If Stoudamire wins more than one championship in NY he will be in.

Funny, I never thought much of Scottie but I’ll admit I am somewhat biased as a knicks fan.

I always thought of Scottie as nothing more than a gifted role player who would never have achieved super star status on any other team. Granted MJ’s persona was so strong no one could be anything but a role player on that team. But I thought Rodman was just as important on that team and that many other players in the league could have stepped into Pippen’s shoes and filled that role.

In a nut shell, I thought he was grossly over rated.My opinion.

How many championships did he win WITHOUT Jordan ?

Rodman was the best defender on those teams and rebounder to boot . He was the one that was doing the dirty work that Pippen would get credit for , or was Pippen guarding Karl Malone in the 97 and 98 championships , or Shawn Kemp in the 96 .

Rodman actually won championships without Jordan !

Bingo !

If Stoudemire gets a ring as the main man (or at least one of the main men) then he gets in, but as of right now it’s shakey. He’ll probably end up on that chipless borderline territory with the likes of Kevin Johnson, Mitch Richmond (he got a ring at the tail end but that doesn’t really count), Chris Webber, Tim Hardaway, etc.

???

Pippen was one of the best defenders of the 90′s. 8-time nba all-defensive first team.

How about Jim McMillen and Garfield Heard from those same teams ?

Those were netertaining teams to watch .

“I always thought of Scottie as nothing more than a gifted role player who would never have achieved super star status on any other team”

Yeah take off your blue and orange colored glasses lol

He finished THIRD in MVP voting when Michael Jordan was playing baseball. He led Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Bill Cartwright, BJ Armstrong and a rookie Toni Kukoc to 55 wins and a 7-game series against the Knicks.

And he’s just a gifted role player? Please.

while we are on this topic. How could Rodman not be HOF.

Second only to Wilt in rebounding titles all times, at 6’8 ! could defend anyone successfully guard or center. Was without a doubt the most unique and successful defender of all times.

Problem with defense it’s hard to quantify with numbers, unlike offense.

Yeah blame Scottie Pippen because he didn’t guard Kemp and Malone.

Guess why? He’s not a f’in power forward!

Pippen is a LEGEND and Michael Jordan would’ve never won 6 championship – MAYBE not even one – without Scottie Pippen.

Haha

He’s in if he wins one IMO.

who says he led…were the other players just watching? Pippen was anything but a leader!

Those other guys could ball as well.

BTW, they didn’t do so well the year after that for your info. that was kind of a fluke!

Talking about HOF’s read what Clyde says about this upcoming season if you ask me I agree totally with what he said.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17079

A legend ? Maybe in his and your mind !

And as far as guarding players someone made the statement that Pippen always guarded the other teams best scorer .

Kemp and Malone were the other teams best scorer in those three championship seasons. And Rodman guarded them .

So that is as false a statement as your legend statement !

Freakin’ legend LMAO !!!

I agree that Rodman should be in. The occassions where the leading scorer and rebounder in the league played on the same team only occured with Rodman/Jordan, and Rodman/Robinson. You can diminish the value of a “role player”, when that player dominates their role to the extent that they assist another player to be dominant in their role. Rodman was rebounding for players who weren’t missing a bunch of shots. Rodman guarded centers like Shaq where he gave uo almost half a foot in height and 100 lbs. in weight, and made all defensive team. Basically, he didn’t shame to the game, he brought attention to it… the same way the LeBron did this summer. Rodman is a HOFer.

Then tell me why Scottie finished 3rd in MVP voting.

He was surrounded with role players – of course they could ball but most 55 wins players have a better supporting cast than Armstrong, Grant, Cartwright and his old legs and a young Toni Kukoc.

LOL at Scottie not being a legend.

Take of your Knicks colored glasses and stop hating.

Pippen is a footnote in the Legend Of MJ that is all he will ever be !

yeah, amazing interview with Clyde, probably my favorite basketball player and personality ever.

He’s right on with everything he says. He’s just the man.

If only current players could look to learn from him and emulate his game more and more importantly his personality…

They say if you have to think about if a guy HOF’er he’s not a HOF’er.

I don’t necessarily agree with that, and maybe thats more of a baseball thing, but the argument for him is a good one.

He’s only got 2 all star appearances on his resume both during his DPOY’s with Detroit, but than again, he played on some really good teams. His bad boy image didn’t help his cause much in that regard.

Lol don’t bother Mucha. He’s severely underrating Pippen to compensate for the fact that he thinks Pippen is overrated.

It’s like people who say the Beatles suck just because so many people express their love for them. It’s a strange social phenomenon.

lol Circlelimit, it is so true.

Mucha

MVP voting is an absolute joke!

Steve Nash 2 MVP
Shaq 1 MVP

So Nash’s career = 2 Shaq’s career!

Also, the year before in 93 the bulls only won 57. So following your logic, the bulls were almost as good without Jordan in 94 as they were in 93 with him since they won 55. how good was this guy Jordan anyway!

The beauty of statistics! like the language of flowers you can make it say anything.

Pippen couldn’t lead anybody, except perhaps the Chicago cheerleaders if you gave him pink sneakers and pompoms.

Remember the Conference semi’s against them in 7 games that we almost lost that year! The Hubert Davis call that gave us one of the games at the buzzer (bless the refs). who fouled Davis? you guessed it, Pippen. And of course, you got to remember the huddle incident when he refused to come out and toni won the game for them with that crazy 3.

So, 2 critical times in a critical playoff series. and he came up short. Scottie’s no leader.

“MVP voting is an absolute joke!

Steve Nash 2 MVP
Shaq 1 MVP”

That’s a weak argument. MVP’s can only be compared within their respective season.

Do you know who else was in the MVP running that 93-94 season? HOFers Hakeem and Robinson. Pippen beat out HOFer Ewing and future HOFer Shaq.

That year Pippen lead the bulls in points AND assists along with being 2nd in rebounds. Not to mention 2nd in the league in steals (nearly 3 per game.)

“Remember the Conference semi’s against them in 7 games that we almost lost that year! The Hubert Davis call that gave us one of the games at the buzzer (bless the refs). who fouled Davis? you guessed it, Pippen. And of course, you got to remember the huddle incident when he refused to come out and toni won the game for them with that crazy 3.”

So he’s a role player because he made a bad foul and hit teammate hit a game winning 3? You know Ewing missed the most important layup of his career. Is he a role player???

Hateeeeeeeer!

Burrrr!

I do not think Pippen is a Hall of Fame guy either. Can we all agree that Shawn Marion is a comparable player? Around the same height, versatile never best player on his team etc. Marion’s career stats across the board are better than Pippen’s outside of steal and assists. Is Marion deserving then? It is funny hearing Pippen having to defend the best perimeter player and yet Jordan won the DPOY awards. He is a career 16 and 6 guy and when he left Chicago at age 33 when actual Hall of Fame players are still performing at a high level his numbers dropped. I have to agree with the ones saying he was overrated.

What makes one transition from the Bulls to the Knicks? You weren’t always a Knicks fan?

“That’s a weak argument. MVP’s can only be compared within their respective season.”

c’mon guy. Shaq is one of the all time greats! top 5! and he got 1 MVP!

no matter how you define MVP, it just does not add up. Steve nash himself was embarrased when he got the award above Sahaq that year!

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Liking the Bulls and being a Bulls fan is two different things imo. I liked NBA basketball in general and like a few teams, but when I became a fan it was of the Knicks. Period.

“Rodman was the best defender on those teams and rebounder to boot . He was the one that was doing the dirty work that Pippen would get credit for , or was Pippen guarding Karl Malone in the 97 and 98 championships , or Shawn Kemp in the 96″

Rodman wasn’t there for Jprdan’s 1st thre championships. Pippen was.

You’re still talking about voting in 04-05. So you think they got it wrong that year. Congrats, that’s still inconsequential to the absurd statement that Pippen was just a role player. Mucha was talking about Pippen 93-94.

pretty obvious from the blogg’s reaction that he is not an A+ HOF. At best a B-.

he was like another guard out there with the size of a big. that was his best attribute. if I were to compare him to anybody today, I’d pick Odom.

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More leBron Critics..
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5462510

Clearly he must be just scracthin his head wondering how nobody talked him out of that ESPN special.

Thank You.

I’d say Tayshaun Prince, but he fell off something serious. Defensively he was so much more tenacious than Lamar and even more indispensable, if thats possible. The ball handling was def Odom like tho.

“The Numbers and the politics are very very different.”

Never said they weren’t. I said they were politics that were outside of what they did as players.

“One’s the definition of a fringe HOF’er who should get in someday, and the other would’ve been a sure fire, first ballot inductee, but disgraced himself and the game.”

I also said Rodman would be at least a 2nd ballot HOF. Rose would have been a 1st ballot without question.

“Your score keeping tab skills on the TKB are unmatched lol. You seem to be taking this HaS persona a little bit too seriously don’t you think ?”

Uh…you were the one who said you “don’t likeme” lmao. I think you are the one who is taking this “a little bit too seriously” lol. You don’t even know me holmes.

“…And HaS, stick to hoops please lol.”

And keep sticking to the sack, Pubes33.

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