Isiah Had Nothing To Do With Amar’e

Saying Isaiah was involved was probly just an excuse for Dolan to bring back Isaiah.
People ask him why he is bringing him back, well he helped us aquire our best player in ten years.
And then he makes Walsh thank ISAIAH when it was really Walsh( and money) that got the deal done. Ridiculous.

Amar’e signed with NY for one reason and one reason alone one hundred million reasons and none of them were name Walsh, _’antoni or Isiah.

ugh.. can we stop this nonsense.

That should read:

Amar’e signed with NY for one reason and one reason alone one hundred million reasons and none of them were name Walsh, _’antoni or Isiah.

Enough. We all know Amare signed because of the money first and foremost. To give Isiah any special credit for that was always ridiculous(unless you’re YO SON and need to give him all the credit for it.)

Thank you Amar’e for setting the record straight, despite the nonsense spewed by Dolan. And thank you Myles for pointing out that Thomas’ draft record is indeed overrated. Drafting Renaldo Balkman when Rondo was still on the board? Drafting Channing Frye when Bynum was still on the board? Hardly genius drafting. Of course none of this matters as long as buffoon Guitar Jimmy is in charge.

Lets trade whatever we need to in order to get Melo. That will give us Melo and Amare. I’m actually a Felton fan but looking ahead to next off-season I’d love to target Tony Parker and Jason Richardson. Give us whoever remains after a Melo trade along with Amare and Felton or Parker running the show with J Rich as an aging veteran who fills a need and gives us leadership and system experience and we’ll have a pretty good squad. Especially depending on what we dont have to give up in a Melo trade.

Harris, rondo wasnt even known that time- i remember the media and fans wanted marcus williams– u cant blame isiah for rondos development playing with 3 hall of famers!!! balkman was pretty good and still could be good if he gets some time.

frye was the only questionable pick but he did turn out rather solid role player but ok not worthy of his #8 selection.

we cant forget – lee, ariza, nate, chandler, collins. the point is that every player he drafted is still in the league doin smth as they werent busts like many others!
isiahs real weakness is finding great international players- he not once traded for or drafted an international player!!

AHAAHAHAHHAHAHhAHAHahAHAhahahhahahaahhahaahah….

but yet I’m the one with the problem….I’m the crazy 1..right…..

this is another old story this is like 1 2 weeks old

It’s ok to admit you were wrong.

“isiahs real weakness is finding great international players”

so far from great but he did scout gallo…….

and if I recall wasn’t frye the runner up for rookie of the year…before he got his leg blown out from under him..even on a like 23 win team….but nobody remembers that….but if your memory is short that’s fine it cant be that short to see what he did with the suns….re-revolutionizing his game and was a contributor to a team that made it to the WCF which some once considered to be the dominate confrence..losing only to the defending Champions……but hey….

i’m hearing thru the grapevine CARMELA might be traded to his hometown team,the wiz do have assests to package

so just the other he was quoted as saying not necessarily to NO….it’s common sense…why would he say yes…who and there right mind would say yes….if he admitted that Isiah helped in any capacity He’ll go from STAT CITY to marbury….and that’s how sick people are…and you know it’s true…if he admitted Isiah played apart he would get turned on because immediately because that’s what 2 faced people do….how long ago was this dude signed to this day there questioning about how much of a role did Isiah play did you talk to him……really…..you dont think this sht is bugged….whether he helped or not…if Isiah was the President and GM and walsh was Isiah you think they would go so hard to find out how much or how little…if it was Chris Mullin you think they would try to dig so deep…..get da fucc outta here….who “they” think they lien to…not I.

but it’s all good though..ahahahahaa…

that veteran sounds like kurt thomas or marion

seems real odd to me….what about you…or is this daily practice…..

YOU WANT TO INVESTIGATE A STORY GO FIND OUT IF THAT TRADE TO SAC WAS TRUE…..NAH THEY WANT THAT SHT TO FLY UNDER THE RADAR WHEN THAT WAS THE BIGGEST NONE MOVE IN THE HISTORY OF NY SPORTS…..BUT THEY STILL ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE DID YOU EVER TALK TO ISIAH WTF!!!!!!!!!!

aahahahah yo people are sick…..

YO SON u know the deal,this talk about zeke will last for a while the media will milk it they got something to talk an write about,u should know how they do.

but it’s krazy adding stories thats been broke weeks ago

YO SON,good post u know the deal,i’m not trying to get deep into the whole story but i know how it goes,amare already been told not to say anything about zeke u aint gotta read that to know that i think that should be common sense.

we all know the money had alot to do with it,but i heard sactown wanted to do an sign an trade for him for 110

sad…..

I wish…

REALLY? I MEAN REALLY?? HOW LONG WILL THIS SITES ADMINISTRATION KEEP RIDING ISIAH’S SACK!?! DO U GUYS TAKE YOUR SHEETS AND PILLOW CASES PUT EM ON GO BURN A CROSS WITH ISIAH’S PIC ON IT AND SAY “THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME SOME SPOKE WILL RUN OUR TEAM!” if it aint race based what is it because all you post is “an anonymous source said isiah said this isiah said that” then you trash his draft picks while justifying 3 blown drafts in a row by magoo! theres a reason denver can care less about gallo thats because 6’10 euro shooters with bad backs are not hard to come by!! but i forgot the real reason you guys pretend he is an all star! its a damn shame when irrational hate & bias still can be so strong in this day and age!

He re-revolutionized his game? Damn, that must have taken a lot of time to revolutionize his game twice over.

Frye was actually 5th place in voting behind CP3, Villanueva, Bogut, and new Knick Raymond Felton.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.html

Haha you two and your conspiracy theories. Keep the “real talk” coming…it’s priceless.

So ridiculous. So easy to disguise something as a race issue to steer attention from one’s actual shortcomings. You know what it’s based on, it’s based on his poor decision making as our GM and his non-basketball related issues that made this franchise the joke of the early millennium. But no…it’s all because of race.

PS: Gallo was not a blown pick, Hill was, and if the third draft you’re referring to is this year’s and you’re saying he “blew” the 38th and 39th pick (2 2nd rounders) without even seeing them (aforementioned 2 2nd rounders) play in an NBA game yet, well then, I don’t even need to address that.

Hey, by the way, how was Jerome Randle’s summer league?

So continuing to target Isiah every damn day based on 3rd part hear say and constant twisting of the facts distortion of the truth and the constant indirect insults is legitimate? Who cares if Isiah helped sign him or not? this is PRO ball players meaning they do it for a living so when Magoo had to bid against himself Amare took the money he could not get anywhere else. Same thing that happened with Carlos Beltran and the Mets.

“Sources on the team said Isiah said this or said that” Made up trash used to target this dude. Tell men Layden was targeted like this!?! Then you want to bring up the CIVIL case that was crap as your moral shield lol but when marv albert was locked in a hotel room attacking a hooker with his teeth it was all good. When I try to post the facts of that garbage case tommy and the rest of the cult wont let it post. She was allowed to keep her job when she was screwing up, she tried to get the knick dancer to lie and the dancer told on her, she cheated on her taxes for 3 years and the only reason they lost the case was because the bone head owner canned her as soon as she tried to extort them rather then let the legal team do it.

There may be too many articles on him, but if you haven’t noticed, most are from other sources, and while you may not want to hear about him so often, he was most recently involved with the Knicks, and it is Knicks information, so it’s going to get posted on TheKnicksBlog. If you don’t like it, don’t read it, that’s fine, but don’t go tossing around race issues as if that’s the reason behind the overflow of negative news regarding him. He made a mess a while back, that mess was cleaned up, now that it’s cleaned up, he’s back, and you’re going to see articles about him throughout the year, so might as well not flip out about it each time it comes up.

Whatever, I’m not going to argue any sort of fabricated race issue or conspiracy theories because I think that is all nonsense. You may think it’s “real talk” or something and by all means, keep thinking it, but don’t go trouncing around the comments section every time an Isiah post is made like there’s a huge social injustice going on. If you really feel the writers on this blog are at all like a cult for posting articles about someone who’s more or less directly involved with the Knicks owner and, thus, organization, then there’s a simple solution of not reading anymore.

Gallo while a nice player as you can see he is only valued as the next superstar by TKB lol. There where better picks to be made Lopez or Gordon. So yea for 3 years he blew the draft (magoo that is) by not drafting for need positions! Who would teams want more Gallo or Lopez? Gallo or Gordon? Exactly!! Hill WTF was that?? In a PG draft in need of a PG you draft that guy?? WTF??? As for the Jerome Randle remark show me one dude in here thats honest that would take trash azz Andy Rautins over him including Tommy Dee!!

Hey I respect your right to disagree with me thats fine but to pretend as if this is not over kill to the tenth power, to now act as if Isiah cant draft his azz off & to pretend that the Knicks went to hell because of Isiah rather then in spite of him is ridicules! I dont run from bias yellow journalism I confront it and expose it for what it is! We go from lets move forward to “oh by the way rumor has it that some one heard that amare’s aunt said she heard Isiah say” lol is childish baseless and Hate driven, there is not one other legit reason for this nonsense Irrational over kill slander and distortion of the facts!

By the way here is what your superstar draft pick Landry Fields had to say about Jerome Randle….

“While I can speak all day about each and every guy at the camp, I’ll just share with you who I was most impressed with. The invitational’s most valuable player was Jerome Randle, and he deserved it. While he wasn’t my favorite player to watch at the event, mostly because I had seen him for so many years and played against him because he went to Cal, he showed a side of himself that not many got to witness when he was at Berkeley.

Randle has always been a great passer, but in college he was a score first type point guard. His handle is beyond ridiculous and I promise you he can shoot a few feet inside the half court line with ease and knock it down fairly consistently. However, at the camp he became a pass first point guard. He reminded me of when Sebastian Telfair was in the McDonald’s All-American game and was going for the assist record. I had never seen Randle play this way before.

He came in with the same mind set as I did; scouts already knew he could score the ball–that was no secret–he wanted to show his ability to do other things, specifically create for others. Randle has always been capable of this, but at the camp he showed it consistently and made it look easy. Every once in a while he would reveal his sweet stroke and rock-solid handle, but he was practically involved in all of his team’s plays and was dropping some serious dimes.”

I think people have a right to hate the guy after what he did to the franchise. I’m not saying it was just him because we all know it was also Layden and Dolan and just poor front office decisions all together. But Isiah earned his bad reputation, and contributed heavily to our already-in-progress demise.

Also, did you read the article on the NY Mag website? They clearly say they spoke to Amar’e. I don’t see how this is irrational slander, when it’s just reposting an article of someone’s apparent conversation with Amar’e.

“Damn, that must have taken a lot of time to revolutionize his game twice over.”

how many pf or any position expand than range with such effenciency in such a short period of time ever…your so weak,….and you forget his rookie season he was just a 16 and in spot up jump shooter(who actually hit a game winning shot something gallo and hill didn’t come close to doing)….his second year he bulked up and was playing more low post and back to the basket….and now he went from a 4 to a 5 with even more range….if you want to knock that then thats a btch move on your part…..notice how you ignored the other parts of my case for him though…all good..

“Frye was actually 5th place in voting”

so much better then gallo and hill did….ahahahhaa….oh and when was the vote taken place….at the end of the year I’m sure..when he was pretty much forgottan after his injury….playing on a 23 win team will help you fly under the radar fast after injury along with brown and marbury contraversies….but he was ranked higher the majority of his rookie season….but do me a favor go look up gallo and hill’s rank…AHAHHHAHAHHAHAah

ahahahhaha…..

Haha okay. So it’s not okay for others to distort things, but you can accuse me of painting Landry Fields a superstar? Solid “reporting” there blackwood.

For the record, I liked Randle too, and I don’t give a **** what Landry Fields or anyone else has to say about the kid. Landry obviously going to give him a ringing endorsement, he played against the kid in college, and Randle was a great talent in college. I don’t understand how you can use Field’s opinion of him to answer how he performed in summer league haha, but I suppose that’s the type of “reporting of the facts” that you like.

Oh, and maybe plenty would take Randle over Rautins, but until either of them does anything in an NBA game, it’s a moot point now isn’t it.

Gordon: 16.9 ppg 2.6 rpg 3 apg 1 spg .449 fg% 36 minutes
Lopez: 15.9 ppg 8.4 rpg 1.7 apg 1.7 bpg .512 fg% 36 minutes
Gallo: 15.1 ppg 4.9 rpg 1.7 apg 1 spg .7 bpg .424 fg% 33 minutes

I understand Lopez is a Center which is rare, and I would’ve been fine with drafting him too, but really? A blown draft? And how can you put Gordon in there as being a blatantly better pick than Gallo. That’s just ridiculous. As for this year, a draft where you have just two second rounders, and he drafts two guys who weren’t on your list, does not mean it’s a blown draft, especially when we haven’t seen either of them play in an NBA game, please just admit that. And yea, Hill was a botched pick, that’s obvious.

So all that being said lets demand that this as a Knicks blog get back to basketball which is played by the basketball players!! Go to a workout with AR and tell me how he looks take a camera get some footage!

How is bukie doing with his knee? Go interview him try to roll with him on some “a day in the life” type store!

All this so called insider access and all these so called beat writers and bloggers want to do is gossip about Isiah like High School girls!
This has gone from the Knicks blog to the internet version of the view!!

Basketball people!! We have a whole roster of new guys lets get to know them better and how there transition is going. So how about we get back to what matters & leave the gossip to ladys and TMZ.

Relax man, I’m just teasing the idea of “re-revolutionizing” as if he radically changed his game two times, since revolutionizing is already a radical change.

Oh yea, Hill was a botched pick and we know that, sort of like Renaldo Balkman, remember him. And Gallo was hurt for like his entire rookie season but played some games at the end, so there’s no basis for comparison really.

PS: Do you misspell things purposely to not get moderated, or is it just our luck?

The Knicks are an NBA team, and the NBA is a business, so to cover the Knicks, one has to cover all aspects (also keep in mind that a lot more casual readers come to this blog and don’t comment) of the organization. I welcome all articles about anyone or anything related to the Knicks or the league surrounding the organization. We have had a lot of discussion concerning the current roster as constructed, granted much of that has come about in the Melo threads, but the Melo-drama is a big story right now, and it prompts us to look at the value of the players currently on the roster.

YO fauci who the fucc you think you are to tell somebody not to read post about lies and fabrications told on 1 man and for us not to be able to voice our opinion on the matter….

if you have issues with what we believe is to be the case then don’t read or reply to our every post..the fact that you go out of your way to co-sign such acts shows the btch azzness in you…which is to typical…don’t ask questions on why we feel this way or maybe you don’t but others do and we reply just for you to tell us we cant say how we feel….fucc outta here…who the fucc you think you are…whether someone ask our opinion or not we can voice how we feel…if we choose to support a man who has been unfairly chastise by these devils then so be it….darn near every day TD makes excuses for all of walsh’s and company mistakes but then post old sht about Isiah…….show me where a white GM who has failed as bad maybe even worse still get’s his name thrown in the dirt years later…name me 1 other GM who after he messed up later still try’s or is willing to help still get treated like this…NEVER..any other gm would be commended for being a great guy….maybe welcome with open arms..shut ya btch azz up….kicc roccs..

I never claim to be a reporter but you are right I cant recall weather or not you fell in to the “Fields was the steal of the draft” crowd so I apologizes.

The Randle remark at the end of that post came off as snide so I was just clearing up that he in anyones here or anywhere else opinion is a far better player then the dude we picked.

Yes a blown draft in the sense that we had needs that could have been filled and where not. We needed a center not a forward we also and still may need a SG. Am I misrepresenting the facts when I say both of those guys have higher value in the league right now then Gallo? Be honest you know im not, and that is no shot at Gallo he is a solid player but was not the player we needed in that draft. HIll again WTF!?! lol and this year 2 second rd picks to try and make the most of and we pick a dude who can only shoot and nothing else and could not even do that in summer league and ANOTHER forward yet again lol. I am just saying my man there is no way you can say this has been even handed fair or near rational.

Haha Tommy you need to fix the moderation to recognize misspelled blatant curses.

All I said was if you don’t want to read about Isiah anymore, no one’s forcing anyone. I didn’t tell blackwood he couldn’t have his opinion, I specifically said he’s welcome to think what he wants actually. I just disagreed with him, and while it may have been a bit heated, this is a blog, and we’re free to debate at will. I was simply voicing my opinion, I don’t see why I can’t voice mine because I disagree with yours…seems like hypocrisy to me.

Haha at Isiah “willing to help”. The dude is desperately trying to get an NBA job again, he’s not doing this out of the goodness of his heart. That’s not a knock either, it’s how business works. FIU is not as lucrative as what Dolan likely offered him. I’d be doing the same thing probably. Just don’t claim Isiah is the victim and he’s “helping” us because he wants what’s best for us and because he has a good heart. Dude wants a job, he’s trying to get in position to get one, which will be understandably tougher since he handled the majority of his executive responsibilities poorly the first time around with the team.

But hey, my opinion is just opinion, and your statements are fact, so I don’t know what I’m arguing. Guess I’ll go push some stones around with my feet. Later.

YO BLOGGERS and there lost followers..do us a favor go tell us what’s gallo and ar position this up coming season if they are going to be here….go find out what role gallo is going to play….what position rautins is going to play during garbage time(nah good luck kid)….is the Russian kid a physical or fineness type Center……how is Gallo progressing in Italy….how’s Jordan doing is he going to make the team…ask him if he thinks he’s capable of starting or at least contributing right away….are there any other moves in the works besides melo(pause on the rudy trash ..as if)…..how has td progressed since summer ball…what’s curry health and off the court status…does he still have to go to court…what position does feilds feel most comfortable playing…..

those are some KNICKS topics that are actually worth informing KNICKS fans with….but watch you dudes F that up too because all your information and weak azz insight has been wrong…ahahahaha…but have the nerve to criticize a gm as if your sht dont stink.…that’s how you dudes sleep better at night reflecting your horrible mistakes on the next man….GET YOUR ISH TOGTHER….STEP YOUR GAME UP…PLEASE…UTTER GARBAGE….HAHAHA

Fine fauci933 I dont deny that the biz side of the team should be touched on I think we all like to be aware of real biz dealings. But pot shots about the man twisting facts conveniently leaving out aspects of things to present something that is not legit is trash and really is just gossip. Rehashed remixed gossip is worthless. Tell me the progress of the guys on the roster, tell me what magoo magoo is doing to get the Melo deal done tell me why magoo let Collison get by him again nad for what reason thats what the real Knick fans want to know. Not what some dude heard in walmart about Isiah.

“I just disagreed with him, and while it may have been a bit heated, this is a blog, and we’re free to debate at will. I was simply voicing my opinion, I don’t see why I can’t voice mine because I disagree with yours…seems like hypocrisy to me.”

ahhahaha that sad part is you don’t even realize how hypocritical you are…..aahahahah the nerve of some of these dudes man….ahahahahaha

Apology accepted, and I apologize if I’ve gotten a bit heated or snide, and understand that it’s purely arguing and you obviously have a right to your opinion, and I respect that. I’m just arguing because I’m clearly bored and can’t sleep since it’s 5 AM haha. I thought that went without saying, but YO SON yelled at me, so I figured I’d state it outright.

I think Gordon has higher value for the simple fact that he had two seasons under his belt, whereas Gallo really only had one, being that he was hurt. We obviously overvalue him, but the Clipper fans overvalue Gordon, it’s what happens with 95% of fans, but it doesn’t mean we’re wrong necessarily. Lopez would have fit a need, there’s no disputing that, but with the 6th pick I think they were also looking for a bit of star power, because we really had no semblance of a team at that point anyway.

I just don’t think it’s fair to condemn Walsh for this year’s draft just yet because the 2nd round is often a crapshoot, and they haven’t played yet. 2nd round you draft who you think will be good (I don’t see how Rautins really fit that bill, wasn’t a fan of the pick but I’ll give him a chance) and if you’re wrong you’re wrong, it’s the second round. I’m going to wait to judge until we’re into the season, until Warren, or any of the other ‘TKB favorites’ prove something that Rautins and Fields can’t.

“but don’t go tossing around race issues as if that’s the reason behind the overflow of negative news regarding him.”

who said that….who’s telling others not to voice there opinions and what they believe is true….and that’s not the first time you did that…hypocrite…ahahahhahaha….

To be fair, while Magoo is a playful nickname, can you not see how one (not me) might find it offensive. If you want an unbiased handling of the facts, I don’t think referring to our team President as an old man cartoon character who can’t see really paints you as the objective voice of reason. Not trying to be mean or take shots, just pointing it out.

Donnie also hasn’t harmed the franchise just yet. Picking Hill over Jennings, while a big draft blunder, hasn’t exactly set the franchise back a couple of years just yet. Isiah did (not by himself, I understand that) There may be an overkill of posts on the topic, but they are largely from other sources, and I can’t fault Tommy or the other writers for tossing them up on the site. This is a blog, not a primary news source, plus it’s not like there’s a limit of the amount of stories allowed.

“but YO SON yelled at me, so I figured I’d state it outright.”

putting that on Me..such a btch move..so I made you react to him that way….yo wtf you talking about….I never told you to respond to Me….I didn’t mention your name in my inital post on this article….you talk ish then when it comes back at you you dont want nothin to do with it..your pointing fingers..btch move..TYPICAL…..

LMAO I enjoy a good debate and I dont demand or force those who dont agree with me to have to side with me I just require full facts and honest talk. There is no way you can tell me asking Amare about Isiah is relevant. There is no way you can tell me that the crap going on here with Isiah is not over the top over kill and bull crap. They revisit stuff from 6 years ago with Isiah, but has that ever happened with Layden? not at all! The worst you get about Layden is “oh yea he was bad to” But does he get hated? Lynched daily? Not at all and he was the guy who destroyed the team! You seem like an intelligent guy so come on be honest.

Yea, that’s how I feel. I never said he didn’t have the right to hold that opinion, it’s just a method of argument. If you interpret it as such, then there’s nothing I can do about it really. If you want to argue about the topic at hand fine, but don’t go claiming that I’m trying to handcuff anyone’s opinions.

I agree and disagree with certain things, we’ve already gone over it so I won’t rehash anything here, but at the end of the day it’s just debating each other’s opinions. I think it’s a valid claim that there has been a bit of overkill on the topic, and maybe on the man, I just view it a bit differently. Layden did destroy the team, but the players he dealt with and on those teams back then are a bit too far back when we’re talking about DW getting rid of players that Isiah signed, and the Isiah players were and are still around. If this was like 2004, there’d probably be plenty of Layden ‘lynching’. But hey, agree to disagree. Respect all around haha.

Hmm blackwood you do have a point about the layden part.With all this isiah talk you realy forget all about him.

Haha relax I wanted to make sure black didn’t think I was trying to tell him he had no right to his thoughts or opinions.

This didn’t pull from your initial post on this thread, it came from the one below where you asked “who the fucc i think i am”. I actually wasn’t taking a shot or anything, just saying that if you saw it that way, it’s not how I meant it, and I wanted to make sure blackwood knew that. Simple as that.

There’s been a lot of posts on Mozgov actually and some solid clips. They should be in the archives from the last month or so.

Personally, the gist I’ve gotten from TD and the gang is that Gallo will start at the 3 with Randolph being the punch off the bench. Fact is, no one knows how those roles will play out until camp starts. No one will know a lot of the things you’re asking until camp starts probably.

“that’s how you dudes sleep better at night reflecting your horrible mistakes on the next man”

A bit harsh no?

“Oh yea, Hill was a botched pick and we know that, sort of like Renaldo Balkman, remember him.”

“PS: Do you misspell things purposely to not get moderated, or is it just our luck?”

it’s to make you clowns useful ..SON’ing you’z with ease can get a bit boring but yet you dudes still have the audacity to still come at Me….HAHA

never knew balkman was suppose help make the Knicks appealing to lebron and or more competitive overall like the #8 pick in the draft was suppose to….I could go on but why….too easy..let’s see who contributes more rautins or balkman rookie season….you can even throw feilds in for that matter..matter fact add the russian jj and billy garbage azz…etc etc….plz

The reason I call him Magoo is because like the cartoon he cant see whats right in front of his face which fits him to a tee during drafts and while scouting and just in his over all talent evaluation. So I cant see how it can be offensive when it is specifically to him, unless you mean donnie himself.

See thats where we disagree I think not being set at PG harmed us and set us back. It also lead to us having to over pay Felton who is not near the PG Jennings is and IMO Collison is & will become. I also think if we where set at center & PG we may have faired better in this seasons FA market but thats just my opinion.

Jennings & Lopez or Jennings & Gordon would have us so much more balanced talented and just over all better then where we are now.

Well Balkman was drafted 20th overall, not 38th, so maybe compare him to how James Anderson (20th pick this year) does or someone at least in the first round.

“I agree and disagree with certain things, we’ve already gone over it so I won’t rehash anything here,”

ahahahah such a SUCKER MOVE…answer the man’s question…..

I thought it was more of a helpless old man thing, whereas he is a pretty competent executive. When pertaining purely to scouting, I assume it works appropriately haha.

Yea that’s fair. I understand the importance and the ramifications of the Hill blunder. I just don’t think it had as brash of an impact on our future success. I also think Felton came at a decent price and can perform well in this offense, especially only for 2 years, which was an excellent aspect of the deal.

Listen, please leave our argument to us. We know each other’s stances, and while I understand you’re a fan of rampant repetition, I know blackwood is smart enough to keep up with what my argument has been through our debate.

I have to agree with YO SON. And GAWD this zeke bashing is OLD. I mean I’m a new yorker and knick fan, I read the daily news , I know the history of his tenure here, I was there!! All this talk years later is just unneeded.
I’ve definitely said my peace on the whole thing and as a reader of this blog, I was hoping we were done with it and it just keeps coming back..
Look, I KNOW its not easy doing a blog, keeping people interested, digging up news that’s actually IMPORTANT, but dammit TRY HARDER! Sure I could leave or not comment anymore but WHY should I. The very fact that I’m complaining is because I care about the blog. I like the discussions here and the people here are passionate fans. So I don’t want to leave and when I say OLD news, it upsets me. Because I think the guys on here deserve real stories to comment on. YO SON gave a decent list of things I would like to know about, dig those stories up.
Like it or not tommy or whoever runs this blog….you’re a person who breaks the news..knicks news..its not an easy job and everyday isn’t going to be interesting..but this is the internet, lookharder and find some real news.
And if you can t for the day, I would respect you more if you would just say it and I know to check back later. You wouldn’t lose me by being real.
But this particular Zeke post is just PETTY dude.

BROOKLYN.

theses dudes know nothing anyway…that’s something they can get a head start on…if you can get post on a russian then you can find info on others….I asked that they at least fine info on those young players opinions…etc etc…your whole apologetic post is trash…kicc roccs…..

EXACTLY……WEAK.

Haha okay man, just trying to be civil but if that’s not how you want to go about that’s fine.

Oh and I am by no means apologizing to you.

Quick question. You seem like a strong advocate of free speech and everyone being entitled to their opinions. Why aren’t Tommy and the other writers allowed to post what they want and voice their own opinions without all this backlash?

No shots, legitimate question.

I always respect peoples right to there views and I enjoy debate its good for the soul lol. But truth be told if you take a step back it just obvious that there is a bias in how Isiah gets dealt with talked about and turned in to a human dart board when the guy who destroyed the Knicks just gets a “oh yea he was bad to”.

Allen Houston’s contract was the worst in team history $100,000,000 contract that haunted us for years because of the cap hit! The Ewing debacle,Trading camby,Nane draft picks and I cant even remember what else for antonio mcdyess!! Howard Esily 50 mil E.T.C E.T.C

But in the end I guess the main point is that it is not fair honest or legit but rather bias & ugly. There so much that can be reported on in the here and now that there has to be an alterer motive to the Isiah lynch mob stuff.

But hey I think we all can agree that we would much rather get insight on how the recovering new additions on the team are doing and adjusting rather then non relevant and pointless indirect gossip and disingenuous shots at Isiah’s drafting ability.

Thanks Citiboi12 I just keep it real best I can, I cant just be a Knicks fan on this blog and let these guys rewrite history.

Agreed on the insight as to the recovering players. I’m most interested on when Buike can contribute, if he’s healthy I think he can be close to as valuable a member of the team as AntRan.

Also, I understand that Layden laid the foundation for demise, and the attacks are unbalanced granted, but I think the time period has something to do with it. Plus, Layden isn’t trying to come back as a consultant, so he’s not as immediately relevant. It was the Ewing trade and the Camby trade that got the ball rolling on our decade demise, but Isiah did further the problem and he’s fresher in people’s minds. Maybe it shouldn’t be an excuse, but unfortunately that’s the way it is. I think he and Layden both deserve criticism, but again Layden isn’t the one trying to come back and join us.

I dont in anyway feel it is about Tommy & company not being able to post there opinions because on the Isiah issue they have made that view abundantly clear.I Think the backlash is based on the repeated piling on and rehashing and worse the dishonest misrepresentation of the full facts. It go’s from an opinion to an agenda to slander a guy who made mistakes but also made every effort to upgrade our talent.

“Agreed on the insight as to the recovering players. I’m most interested on when Buike can contribute, if he’s healthy I think he can be close to as valuable a member of the team as AntRan.”

Agree 100% I dont know if you recall but the GS trade that was made was one I called for months in advance and that I have been a huge fan of Bukie! I worry about the knee but at the price he is more then worth the risk. If healthy he will be a beast!

Right but it would stand to reason that they could just have a harsher view on Isiah’s actions when he was here than you do right? I know where you stand on Isiah, but the ideas of freedom of speech and people’s right to voice how they feel; shouldn’t overabundance of an opinion still be viewed as such?

because people actually look to them as a source of information(don’t do it)…but all there doing is perpetuating the problem… telling lie after lie fabrication after fabrication ..and I’m not really answering for you this is for those who may want to know the same(I’m sick of you for now)….which one of these dudes (question open to anybody) feels like these bloggers speak from a different angle/perspective opposite to td…..come on son……..

I’m not going to lie acts like this I more times then not…I will take it more personal when it happens to a person of Color….because this is what I witness to be(lack of consistency….and double standards)….but what I will say which I’m sure I can vouch for other who defend Isiah…if Isiah was white I would defend him as well….I’m not about bullying or pilling on..that’s not kool….I’m not with that period…..and people who cant understand or be sensitive to that are choose to justify these actions discuss Me……

I remember you being a big fan of Azubuike touting his shooting percentages and his defensive capabilities on the perimeter. I think he’s a more offensively capable player than Chandler, with jus as much talent on the defensive end. I can’t wait to see him suited up and would love if he eventually took the starting 2 spot.

Well that’s fair if it’s what you truly believe. Well said.

Well it’s a blog though, and while it is a source of information, it cannot be confused with (what is supposed to be…) objective news sources. By coming on here, one should be acknowledging that this most of the commentary on the articles is the opinion of the writer, not fact. It’s not Tommy’s job to put an opposite perspective on the site, I think that’s what other people’s sites are for. That’s why it’s good to follow multiple blogs, not because they are objective sources of information, but so you can see how opinions may differ.

If that knee is good he will have a huge impact! The guy is a stud screw up side he is the real deal if the knee is right and at the price its a win/win!

i don’t care what isiah is or isnt. I don’t care what he can or cannot do. One of the biggest parts of becoming a championship caliber team is having the owner and FO that keeps the organization respectable. With these types of stories hanging over our heads; (our owner having secret relationships with past GM’s who did not succeed) and undermining the new pres (intentionally or unintentionally, it doesn’t matter)it just makes the knicks seem like the joke they have been for years. The person behind the scenes, in the end, just doesn’t know how to run a sports team. it’s like letting TO play quarterback, if we’re doing sports analogies. This sets us so much further back than we realize, but if i keep going i’m a racist so i guess i have to quit. Having MTV real-word slash jersey shore type drama in the owner’s office is a recipe for constant disaster. Hopefully DW remains in power for long enough to bring the team to a place where they have a direction. I like to believe we are there now but let’s see these 3 months pre-2011. You know when you just type/babble and then realize you typed more than you were ever willing to for a college essay? That’s this; whoops.

Plus 1 yo son! I would love not to feel like race is a factor because plenty of people abuse the race card, but what is one left to think with the steady media lynch mobbing that is happening in such an uneven & ugly hate filled way. I also agree if he was white Asian or anything else I would stand against this irrational and ugly massacre of a man who was flawed but far from evil and damn sure not the worst GM we have had.

I just tried to re-read my own post and i can’t even figure it out.

CP3 is worth anything we can possibly do to get him. Melo is not. i stand by my opinion that if we get him we should do it in free agency. And if he can’t come that way the F him.

On a side note; if a bunch of billionaires can’t reach an agreement with a bunch of billionaires and the NBA has a lockout…. I will lose respect for every single player and agent and begin to care more about the liberty.

Seriously though, i could make 1% of the average nba player (about 60 thousand) and feel so blessed; finally support myself in the one city where it is the hardest to do so…. and don’t even get me started on the owners who can sell one of their wive’s watches or purses and make more than i will probably make in the next 5 years.

i like that all the big name players are involved in the meetings and i like to think that they are there to make sure that the fans don’t get deprived of our sport. If there is a lockout, i don’t even know how i will react. I met a turkish bar tender tonight and got her number she was so hot. I’m gonna wait like a week and then ask her out on a date, minus the drunk texts i’ve already sent her. WTF is going on.

CP3 > Melo > durant (fun but get over it) . tyreke evans is one of only four players to average 20, 5, 5, in rookie year, lebron, jordan, oscar R, and evans… randomly spitting facts…

I heard donnie walsh was prepared to take tyreke as the first pick over blake griffin… i was too…

Jeff if your beef is that the owner was out of line by reaching in to the past for advice from an ex GM thats fine & legit but thats on the owner not Isiah. Let us also be honest are you going to tell me that if Isiah is available to Magoo during the drafting process to help with talent evaluation that would be a bad thing? Isiah has been far from perfect but one liner bull like “So Isiah Thomas’ pull with free agents is being overrated, just like his draft record.” is just not accurate and has nothing to do with what I can see as a legit beef like the owner maybe undermining the current GM, but again the target for that should be the owner not Isiah.

LMAO Jeff well let us know how she works out for you, I rather hear about that then Isiah gossip lol. Plus I hear turkish chicks are great lovers!! lol

so the owner forcing Walsh to credit Isiah for his role in the Amar’e signing is “nonsense?”

Got it.

Random fact time: For the amount of 3′s galo took, only one player in history has hit that percentage at that age (21). his name is danilo gallinari.

The best part about galo is we all know he can shoot but since we watch every game we happen to know that he is a solid all around player; if he gets a little stronger and tougher; he can do alot more than just shoot.

Whats better: galo improving a good amount (19 and 6.5) on a rookie contract and making the playoffs or melo scoring 30ppg as the ‘face of the franchise’ and living up to his 20 mil-per-year contract, losing in the second round and having no hope of improvement, with amare and randolph (and douglas and rautins) as the only players of the future.

Since we are rebuilding, i like to think of things on a per/dollar basis, and keeping our team for the season gives us the best possible gain on our dollars.

I won’t remember any of this i could go on forever.

let’s show the league that they can’t F with us; lets make the playoffs and cause some damage; and then lets melo/CP3/D-will no choice but to come put us over the top. CP3 would average 20 and 15 on the team we have right now.

Wow i really will never stop talking. if we go something like 6 and 3 in our first 9 games, our team will get confident and enjoy playing and actually play as a team and we will be a team that excedes expecations by a long shot. If we hit a bump early on we are screwed.

Can dantoni teach felton how to run his actual offense? Not just running and shooting threes but an actual balanced offense where the PG makes whatever play works the best at that time (duhon used to only pass to harrington and lee.)

We will see. This is longer than any essay i have ever written. If only i was smarter with good grammar and work ethic maybe i could be a writer.

Ok done.

please leave this race crap out of it. We’ve been telling you all along Isiah wasn’t part of the Amar’e signing. That was the owner lying to THE FANS. and the last time I checked this is a fan site. I never killed Isiah for his drafting, I just merely said that the reasoning for him coming back are idiotic and baseless. Amar’e stating that Isiah had nothing to do with his signing is very important for the sake of clarity which obviously some of you need.

It’s over we all need to move on it’s just that the owner won’t let us. So get over yourselves with this “Isiah hate.”

It’s annoying for me too. And for the record, I’m white and I didn’t like the Rautins pick as if that should mean anything.

Blackwood: please understand my beef is with our oganization, (mostly owner), as a whole; not isiah. That being said, i don’t want isiah to have anything to do with our team right now, but that wasn’t my point. The fact that articles get written about how walsh doesn’t even know if he’s actually in charge is alone enough to make me lose my mind. Dolan should let walsh hire a protege to be GM (i don’t care who as long as he understands what’s happening), and sign a contract saying that he has no operational power. Probly impossible, but i can dream.

BTW, i texted my turkish girl and she didnt answer. I probly came on too strong.

Tommy: I’m not sure if that was meant as a rebuttal to my post, but i agree with literally everything you just said. The only reason i even brought up the ‘race factor’ was:

When someone makes a point on this blog that diminishes Isiah (even if it is indirectly, like mine) there is a huge response of defenders who think that everyone hates isiah because he is black. This idea is extremely foolish and ignorant and I wouldn’t have even mentioned it if I wasn’t drunk, but it was far from the main point of my post. Thanks for not moderating it.

Im commenting way too much somebody has to start moderating me.

Tommy 1)As I stated above I would love for it to be a non factor but the over kill leaves people after a certain point to have no other answer for the steady & daily assault directly and indirectly on the guy!

2)If the owner lying is the issue then go right at it. Isiah is not forcing the owner to talk to him or ask him for advice or allegedly lie to the fans.

3) I agree 100% let us move on drop the Isiah hatchet job and lets get in to how the PLAYERS are doing getting ready for the season. How are those injuries healing up?

I whole heartedly agree that ownership should of let the clean break stay a clean break and stayed moving forward. I just feel that if Dolan came to him and puts his name out there then all guns should be trained on him not the guy he is reaching out to.

lol naa stay positive she may have just crashed after a long night lol give it 24 hours I will keep hope alive because I want to hear some Turkish hell cat in the sack stories!! lol

For a minute i thought we agreed but you seem to think tommy is ‘targeting’ isiah as well. Isiah is fine; it’s what he represents that is the problem, and that is why he needs to be permenently gone. The fact that 2 weeks of b-ball hype had a front page of, essentially, “dolan being a dousch and proving that he doesn’t want a respectable organization” was very detrimental to our team.

I could go as far as to suspect that lebron might have taken on this challenge if he thought he had a sound organization behind him, but we have basically been the clippers of the east; not even isiahs moves in particular, but the ownership and management in general.

+1

“so the owner forcing Walsh to credit Isiah for his role in the Amar’e signing is”

Where’s that part of the article?

Blackwood and Yo Son….I am in agreement…..
With that said,I am interested in knowing what Eddy Curry and Gallo r doing to get better..I believe when Amare comes out of the gm,we will need a low post presence to continue to spread the floor for AR,Walker whomever is on the 2nd team.Curry will b playing for another contract,and I don’t believe the Russian or JJordan will have anything to offer…

Link about Felton..http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2010/8/19/1630688/predicting-raymond-feltons

realgm.com sayin that the knicks offer chandler for fernadez straight up? i dont like that move? what do you think?

LOL

Just my two cents on IT. When the Checketts run Knicks was put into the hands of James Dolan things went downhill from there. Dolan’s mantra was hire good guys and sign good guys to play on the Knicks no matter what their skill level may be. When Layden was hired I think I tuned the Knicks out from that time period because of the fact he was an a employee of the Jazz and that team wasn’t nearly a NY type of team. Layden made trades and and signings of average to below average players some because they played on Utah and the others because they were safe players. Houston was signed to that crazy contract because he was a good guy and a great friend of Dolan’s. Spree and Camby were traded because they didn’t fit the nice guy act. Fast forward IT who had some success in drafting Vince Carter, McGrady, Camby and Stoudamire (not Amare). I never wanted IT to be anything with the Knicks from jump, never liked him as a player and he is linked and rightfully so to the Pistons. But Dolan hired him and IT made bold predictions of championships and getting Marbury was the begining of the end imo. IT made a number of coaching hires and fires and if we want to think that racism is at play remeber Don Chaney and how he was led out of the Garden by Thomas and the Garden. Dolan made him coach and he went from the Suns offense to the throw it in to the big man to the twin towers offense. His fighting with his players that he brought there to arguing with the fans made things incredibly worse. Put the trial to the side it just didn’t fit but Dolan kept pushing it and if it wasn’t for Stern IT would still be there. I don’t remember a commish having to intervene to prevent his sport from going down the tubes. So when IT left we as fans felt we had a clean slate but Dolan won’t let his friendship or his liking of IT alone so this comes out all after LBJ took his talents to South Beach. Amare if the report is true said IT had nothing to do with his signing with the Knicks. If IT is a good agent for the now NBA player then why his Airness can’t get the top stars to Charlotte? The final nail is that Magic and we all know about Jordan even the team he won titles with don’t want nothing to do with IT. So it can’t all be the media or racist fans.

“please leave this race crap”

“last time I checked this is a fan site.”

hypocrisy in it’s rarest form….once again this is a fan site so fans are expressing how they feel…but your telling us what we can and can not say..when this is how we strongly feel..you are truly consistent….and the only one here that needs clarification is you and you staff….because you have been completely wrong about darn near EVERYTHING….typical….AHAHAHAHaahahahahaha….you were upset with the rautins pick..really…way to go out on a reach and take a stand like really…wtf…

p.s. whe your on the other side of the equation then let us know how much crap it really is……chump.

I’m a chump? Ok. how about this. Amar’e said isiah had nothing to do with it…that’s not news?

Come on.