Crawford Wants Out Of ATL?

NO way; been there done that. Crawford is a gunner who takes bad shots and plays no defense. Why is it that every time a mediocre player is available people want to bring him to this team? Aren’t their enough players like that on this squad?

Oh brother. CP3, Carmelo, Rudy, Jamal… every halfway decent player in the NBA from stars down to scrubs now feels entitled to demand a trade if they’re not 100% delighted with their current situation? SMH… just play out your damn contract.

Oh yeah an no thanks to bringing back Jamal. If we’re gonna roll the dice and bring in another shoot-first knucklehead I’d rather JR Smith IMHO. Younger, cheaper, more upside, more athletic. We should stay away from both of them though honestly.

Jamal should have never been traded.

He would make the Knicks better. But he would want an extention (obviously). So no.

Contratian crap is wack!

I was on the Hawks blog yesterday, and I saw some people mentioning a Crawford + Evans for Curry + Chandler trade. Personally, I would do it in a second, as long as we didn’t need to sign Crawford to an extension. It would make a ton of sense, because the Knicks have a huge hole at SG, and Crawford would put up a ton of points and would get a lot of playing time right before he becomes a free agent. The Knicks would have a starting lineup of:

PG- Felton
SG- Crawford
SF- Gallo
PF- Amare
C- Turiaf

6th man- Randolph

I think that team competes for a top 5 spot in the East. There aren’t really any holes with that team. Also, Crawford would be MUCH easier than Curry to move in a trade during the season.

Also, I don’t think anyone will give him a long term extension right now, so it makes sense for him to play somewhere where he can put up huge numbers and get a lot of playing time. I think that with Crawford, we are clearly better than Atlanata and Milwaukee. The only Eastern teams better than us would be Miami, Orlando, Chicago, and Boston. If Melo signed the extension during the season, and was traded somewhere else, I wouldn’t mind signing Crawford to a reasonable deal. He is a very good player, and we would still be able to afford CP3 or D-Will in a couple years, or via a trade.

Id rather have JR Smith.

How quickly people forget… If you watched the Knicks Top 25 Greatest Moments as far as big shots are concerned Crawford seemed to have at least 25% of the highlights. Crawford just won 6th man of the year, and helped get his team to the playoffs with one of the better seasons the Hawks have had in recent memory. He would be a huge piece on a team which is lacking a big shot maker even with the new additions… One year rental for Crawford, which could possibly turn into a Denver trade for Melo mid-season with Gallo, would be better than anything Curry could net you. As long as Curry goes in the trade I’d be down, might have to trade Chandler or Douglas too…

Agreed..

Crawford was never a knucklehead.

ew. if the knicks had to take this kid back in a Melo trade, they should just cut him. The guy is a cancer worse than hueges.

Personally, I don’t want Crawford back next year as a starter. He is better suited as a sub. Look at his shooting percentage last year when he had to worry about getting minutes. It jumped tremendously. I dont want him taking away shots from Gallo and Amare.

And I havent even mentioned his poor D yet.

This is from hoopshype:
“If Atlanta balks at offering Crawford what he considers an extension reflecting his market value then he would rather play elsewhere for the final season of his contract, according to the person familiar with the circumstances.”

The Knicks would be a perfect situation for Crawford, as long as he is willing to play out his contract. Anyone who doesn’t think he would help us this year is insane. I was on the Hawks blog, and everyone there thinks he is as good as gone, because the team still needs to lockup Horford next year. Hawks fans were mentioning trading him and Evans (both expiring) for Curry and Chandler.

Regardless of his flaws, he would easily be the second best player on the Knicks. This year is about making a playoff run, not about developing the young guys. Last year I would have agreed with you not wanting him to take shots away from Gallo, but this year its all about winning. With Crawford, the Knicks could be a top 5 team in the East. Also, if we chose to deal for Paul or Melo, Crawford would be a MUCH more attractive piece. Plus, he is clutch and could run the point when Felton is resting.

Take a look at Craw’s FG% last year as a back-up compared to the previous years:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jamal_crawford/career_stats.html

You will not be getting the efficient Craw. You will get the starter who thinks he should shoot everytime he gets the ball.

The attractive piece is not Craw. it has to be Gallo. If we want Melo, Gallo has to prove he can be a #2 guy.

Crawford’s crazy if he thinks he’s going to get a 10 million per year extension over 3 or 4 more years. Absolutely crazy..

The best thing for Craw is to stay put and replicate his year from last year.

The best thing for the knicks is to have the young guy breakout.

BTW, I would rather have TD run the point over Craw any day of the week and twice on sunday.

Yeah but you can’t deny that pairing Gallo/Randolph with Crawford is much more attractive to other teams than Gallo/Randolph and Curry. Crawford is actually a very good player, and would be more than just an expiring. Curry is the most useless person in the NBA.

Seriously? TD can’t pass for S**T and has no court vision. He is a SG trapped in a PGs body.

And I’m assuming that was a shot at Gallo lol Ben. It’s funny because Gallo is actually a better player in the clutch than Crawford, it’s just that Crawford has more of a flair for the dramatic. But as has been talked about ad nauseum, Crawford is one of the most overrated players in the league in terms of clutch stats.

Here’s the comparison of Gallo vs. Crawford last year clutch stats:

Team Player Gm Min +/- +/- Fga Fg% 3pA 3p% Fta Ft% Pts Ast’d Reb Ast T/o Blk Stl

Gallo- 36 116 14 +6 14.5 .371 10.4 .240 9.1 81% 20.7 53% 4.6 0.8 1.2 0.8 1.2

Crawford- 36 143 45 +15 19.1 .246 8.4 .120 10.1 86% 19.1 28% 3.7 3.7 1.7 0.0 1.7

Better fg percentage and more points of production per 48 minutes for Gallo. Crawford has better assist numbers, that’s pretty much it.

If Denver makes that trade, they are calling it a year. The expiring contract they get will not factor in to their decision that much.

Gotta agree with _aS here, Jamal was and is not a Knucklehead.

We def could use a little more ball handling in the back court, and Jamal is still a play maker at the 2 spot. Plus he’d give additional cap flex after the season. Plus we know Mike’s always liked him.

I think New york would be one of the few places he’d enjoy playing for going into free agency. Doubt he would make too much noise about an extension in NY.

He is not terrible, and at least he wants to get better.

Plus his defense on the opposing PG is extremely valuable and makes up for any apparent passing deficiency. Plus, the kid can shoot.

Oh and BTW, since when was Craw a great passer?

“He is not terrible, and at least he wants to get better.”

I’m sure Jeffries wants to get better too lol.

“Oh and BTW, since when was Craw a great passer?”

Everyone is a great passer compared to TD.

Clutch isn’t about “per 48″ though, it’s the last in the 2 mins of games I would say.

Gallinari was not clutch by any stretch of the imagination. Obviously it’s hard to be that on a 29 win team as there is less opportunity, but Crawford had a few game winners for the Knicks with a similar record so it is possible.

I personally don’t really want Crawford back, nothing against him I just think he’s going to command a contract too rich for the Knicks’ blood next year. Anything more than slightly above the midlevel is probably too much imho.

Im not saying Gallinari was clutch, Im saying he was more clutch than Crawford

The per 48 minute stats refers to the clutch situation stats expanded out over a 48 minute period. 82 games defines clutch stats as games within 5 points in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter and overtime. So in those minutes, Gallo was more productive and efficient than Crawford That’s all I’m saying.

Admittedly, I have a healthy man-crush on TD, but he is not as bad as people are making him out to be.

And Craw is just a good old-fashioned ball hog

Hmmm… yeah, I’m going to go by what I saw on the floor. Being clutch leads to wins.

How many games did Galinari truly win for us last year. If he scores 10 points in the last 5 mins of game that the team lost, or worse had no chance of winning, how is that “clutch”?

Crawford had big games in wins for a winning team and when he was here he had big games that led to wins and hit game winning shots, a lot of them. I like Gallinari, but he’s still unproven in that department. You’re reaching I think.

Crawford isn’t so much a ball hog as he is a bad decision maker. He can pass, but he just doesn’t seem to know when to pass or when to shoot. Putting him in the 6th man role simplified things for him. I think the best situation for him would be with the Bobcats. He was the only one who played well under Brown when he coached here. He started to play much better defensively and he seemed more under control.

I like Douglas too, but I think he needs to be in a limited role as an explosive scorer on the bench and lockdown defender. He just needs to be able to score amongst the trees a little better and then that would be a very good role for him. He isn’t a pont guard.

He made some huge 4th quarter plays last season (the bank shot against Boston (lol), the long 3 pointer against Charlotte, the game-saving block against Charlotte and a couple more plays). And I’m obviously talking about Knicks wins.

He’s more of a 3rd quarter player but he made some big buckets in the 4th.

I like TD too, but I don’t like him running the point. I think he is much better when playing off the ball. A Crawford/Douglas backcourt would work imo. On offense, Crawford would bring the ball up the court, and Douglas would play off the ball. On defense, Douglas would guard the PG and Crawford would guard the SG.

“He can pass, but he just doesn’t seem to know when to pass or when to shoot.”

Z-bo can pass, he just chooses not to. Passing is all about decision-making.

Bad decision maker = bad passer

I think it was more about Craw worrying about playing time and having better players around him last year. Not so much simplification.

TD will never be a starting PG. But he will be a great tweener coming off the bench. The guy is a winner. he gets it

hey tommy,
you need to stop being so self absorbed.
EVERYTHING DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE KNICKS.
if you’re writing stuff just to get people to respond, great work.
there is no basis to take your angle on this.
period.

As a 6th man maybe, as anything else…HELL NO…He would serve as Mason’s replacement..but he can’t be traded..His inability to defend doesnt allow him to play starter minutes.

What do you mean by “he can’t be traded”? Why not? He is a good expiring contract. And he did play starter minutes last year (31 min. per game), he just played off the bench instead of starting.

To clarify, Crawford is capable of making good passes and he does at times.

Toney Douglas is incapable of making a good pass. I’ve never seen the kid make a pass that made me say “wow great pass”. He has a good handle, but he simply hands the ball off a the top of the key 85% of the time, he can’t create a shot for anyone else.

So we traded Crawford for pennies on the dollar and sat thru two years of he’ll in order to create cap space to… Sign Jamal Crawford???
GTFOH

Okay I admit “knucklehead” is definitely too strong and I do have a soft spot for Jamal. But poor shot selection and no defense are problems at 30 y/o players tend not to change their stripes…

I agree the guy is a clown but his talent is much greater than LH. This is not the right situation for JR but if he gets his head right somewhere he could be a star.

Haha right? That was plan Z. Zach Randolph will be a FA next summer too!

Baffling Chucker yes, Knucklehead no. One of the few classy guys on a team full of knuckleheads…

Remind me why are we comparing Gallo and Crawford again?

No, we “so-called” traded Jamal for chance at Lebron… And how well did that work out…

plus 1,000,000 Dylan how would anyone want TD over Craw!!

lmao chill Kid if you bring that fact up they will attack u and tell you how Magoo is a genius and how he walks on water on the weekends! lol

Jamal for Curry & Chandler? what is there to think about. You do it in a NY minute if you get the chance! Solve your problem at SG and is Cap neutral for next year! Unless Jamal wants an extension now of course then thank you but no.

starting line up of Amare,gallo,jamal,felton,Turial/Ar looks awfully good. could compete with le likes of CHI and ATL even BOS, that is if they are not retired to a nursing home yet.

you get Craw to get rid of Curry…..CTFOH you idiot!

SOUNDS like your talking about CARMELA

i been thought about it,since i first read this 2 days ago,he will be a F.A next summer sign him then if u want,don’t trade for him thats 10mill out going,i want to see this team as it isthen donnie can makes moves after a few months.

i would rather see him runnin the p.g more than duhon version 2.0

but that would be krazy funny if they traded or signed CRAW,lmao,even more funny if their biggest splash next summer is Z-BO AN CRAW,lmao

Since when did Jamal Crawford being clutch for us lead to wins…The win totals with him on the team are the same as with Gallo, and the teams Crawford was a part of had much more talent and more money spent than the teams Gallo has been a part of.

Gallo won a lot of games for us with clutch moments and shots. Mucha detailed some of them, not even referring to games like PHX and Denver where Gallo took over for periods of time and was the best player on the floor for certain periods of the game.

All I said that was statistically speaking Gallo was more clutch than Jamal Crawford. I don’t see where there’s a reach involved in saying that.

And its not like Crawford made the Hawks a winning team. They won 47 games without him the year before, and were swept in the 2nd round of the playoffs. He arguably added 6 wins for them, a number that I imagine is very comparable to what Gallo did for us.

lol. How did GS like Crawford and his 10 million dollar contract? Who gave him that contract again? How do you think the Hawks like that contract? lol. He might be good, but he’s not nearly worth 10 million dollars. Overall I have to say I’m glad we traded him just to get rid of that contract.

I’d rather have the guys we got with the extra money saved by getting rid of Jamal then him on the roster any day of the week. Randolph, Azu, and Turiaf> Jamal Crawford
Raymond Felton> Jamal Crawford
Amare Stoudemire> Jamal Crawford.

nothing would compare to the rumors about acquiring Jared Jeffries again. That would trump Crawford and Zbo imo. That would be tragically hilarious.

Sign him up we need the cap space and he is one of the few pure twos in the league. Plus I think he will be better than in his previous stint with the Knicks because now we have a real pg.

We know Craw can run the P&R. Did it here with fat Eddy and also in Chi. And he can help out with the point when Felton is resting. A trade for fat eddy is almost too good to be true. let’s wait and see before getting our hopes up. hate to say it but I prefer that trade to giving up the farm to DEN for Melo.

See what I mean. let’s not rush into this melo thing. there will be many other opportunities!

Genius.. the reason Jamal wants out of ATL is because he Wants an extension.

yeah Jamal Crawford with a new extension is exactly what Knicks fans have sacrificed two years for.

F.A.I.L.

that would be the iceing on the the cake

In what world is Raymond felton better than Crawford… Why because he can defend and he finally lead a team to a playoffs last year… He cant shoot if his life depended on it, he is turnover prone, plus he cant create space for himself one on one, or get by players without a pick…Didnt see a lot of teams knocking down his door either this summer… And he was a FA… Who knows what Crawford will command next year. I for one wouldn’t mind him here for the same amount we pay Felton… We didnt trade him because he couldnt play.

And are you talking about the same GS that traded us Randolph, Azubuike, and Turiaf, and gave Lee a King’s ransom… Yeah they know what they are doing over there.

So he doesn’t walk on water? ha

I’m a fan of Jamal’s, and even I’m shocked that any Knicks fan thinks that resigning him could be a good idea. Wow.

Uh, until last year Jamal Crawford had the longest streak in the NBA in terms of not making the playoffs, so I don’t see your first point about Felton.

Secondly, Felton is a STARTING PG. Jamal is a 6th man for most/all teams because he can’t defend or really pass, and is only good at one thing, and that’s scoring.

Lastly, I think Crawford would not command as much as Felton, but even if he did the league traditionally overvalues scoring above all else, so it wouldn’t be that surprising. It would be a mistake though.

And yes, I would much rather have Randolph, Azubuike, and Turiaf than Crawford.

My point is, it is a matter of who you are playing with and what your role is. Crawford was always supposed to be a 6th man, and he is better at that role than Felton is at his. Crawford is one of the best in the league Felton isnt at his position and wouldnt be at 6th man either.

Your boy Felton has put up pedestrian numbers his whole career. His shooting is horrible, which you did a great job of overlooking. I would say Crawford is more valued around the league than Felton, and we will see him go off the market a lot earlier than Felton, who had no suitors but the Knicks. And splitting much of your time with average pg’s doesnt exactly make you that good of a starter… The Bobcats didnt seem too upset to let him go, and had been talking about trading him for years… He got less money than complete bums in FA this year…

I’m not even saying Felton is that good, because I don’t think he is. But he’s an average starting pg in the NBA imo. That makes him more valuable than Crawford.

Either way, it’s irrelevant to my main point and your original point. Which is that I for one am glad we traded Jamal, even if it didn’t net us Lebron.

Felton and Crawford are best as bench players imho.

well said