Nuggs Trying to Lowball Melo

If anything, this is good for the Knicks. Why in the world Melo would sign an extension with any of those teams beats me. Nets would have to give up some valuable pieces; would they be willing to do that?

For the Knicks, new CBA or not, this is looking good for summer of 2011.

If he isn’t traded and there is no CBA in place well before the deadline I’d be very shocked if he risked heading into a lockout without a contract.

Why would he sign with the Kings?
He could play alongside two great players in Cousins and Evans, while still being THE GUY on his team. Melo, Evans, Cousins, and Thompson is a ridiculously good core of players. Thats a dynasty in the making. And yes, I know Cousins hasn’t proven himself yet. But he IS going to be a great player.

Why would he sign with the Nets?
He could help build a team in his hometown of Brooklyn. He would be playing alongside one of the best Cs in the East, and a decent young core of players. The Nets would also have enough cap room to go after someone like Parker in the offseason.

Why would he sign with the Wolves?
LOL yeah you definitely got me there…. He would never sign an extension to play with the Wolves. That said, there is a KRAZY man in Minny named Kahn. He might be willing to give away all of the Wolves talent for a year of Melo!

agreed..

how does “getting his money” coincide with 100% testing free agency?

amswer., it. does. not.

Thing Is if any of those teams do a trade their giving up everything they got. Kings are probably going to have to give Cousins Up, Wolves have people but Melo aint signing no extension with Minny, and the Nets are going to gie everything for Melo as well and when they lose he’s leaving.

Melo’s getting traded to the Knicks because he’s in the driver seat if he goes anywhere they are basically admitting they know they are going to lose him next season and no ones that dumb.

I have to wonder if Walsh had gay se x with Kahn and didn’t give him the courtesy of a reach around. I wouldn’t be surprised if he rented Melo for a year, just to keep him away from the Knicks.

If he goes to another team and _’antoni falls on his face by failing this season, would Carmelo have second thoughts about joining NY? Probably not a chance I would take. I know it’s not often talked about, but I could definitely see the “coach” falling flat.

how are the NUggs trying to “lowball” Melo?

If the applicable phrase is “hard ball” then i agree.

i think they pull their offer and move into auction mode pretty soon.

if they pull the money and move into auction mode they get a great return AND take any leverage that Melo has away from him.

If it is really obvious that he “only wants NY” and the Nugggs (clearly) dont like anything NY has to offer then why wouldnt they move into auction mode?

if the relationship is as damaged as we are led to believe then that is the only logical alternative for Nuggs management.

People keep talking about his wife wants to be in NY so she can work, but let me tell you something, she’ll be in his ear about that $65,000,000 contract extension if he isn’t traded and there is no CBA ratified.

A woman is not about passing up guaranteed money like that. NY be damned.

I think the Kings are in the best position. I think they could trade for him while holding onto Cousins and Evans. Here is the trade I proposed earlier. The Kings might need to throw in a 1st round pick as well.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26xdz2d

That gives the Nuggets a starting SF who is still young and improving, a very good starting PF in Landry, a decent center who can start and is also an expiring contract, a project C in Whiteside, and a 1st round pick.

Agreed. Denver is calling his bluff. Very clever. Now it’s really up to what team wants to offer the best deal. Whether he ends up in Minny (that’d be hilarious though) or Toronto, who cares. if the guy wants to be FA, which to me sounds ridiculous given the direction things are going with the CBA, he’ll be one.
This is precisely why Melo has no real leverage in this situation, like many believe him to have. He could play an entire season in a team that would suck and would still have to take the FA road. Either way he loses.

seems so obvious.. LaLa will never come into that type of money with her “acting” career.. or whatever it is she needs to be in NY for..

my money is on LaLa focusing on maing little Melos and LaLas and MAYBE doing a reality show if it suits their schedule.

dont get me wrong .. at this point i’d take Melo as he seems to be the ONLY top 15 player who will be available in the next 2-3 years and we are on the clock with Amar’e

LOL yeah Kahn loves screwing Donnie (no pun intended) whenever he can. He took two freakin PGs when there were 3 left and only one other team picking before us!

The Knicks definitely need to make the playoffs this year. No more excuses. This team spent all of its cap space this offseason.

I guess there still was another good PG left, but no reason to continue to beat the dead house.

*horse

I assume the kings would have to part with some of that talent you speak of to even realistically join the convo.

please stop referring to melos hometown as brooklyn. that is false. carmelo move to baltimore when he was 8. his hometown you speak of is baltimore, maryland…. not brooklyn.

do you respond similarly to those who calm NYC is his hometown?

no shots.. but i only see these comments regarding BK.

Melo will not resign with a Nets team minus lopez or harris, or the wolves. The Kings scare me but I dont know if they have the assets to trade for him without giving up Cousins, making their roster much less appealing to Carmelo.
If Carmelo is sure he wants to go to the Knicks or any other team for that matter, he is just stupid to force a trade and force a team to give up some of their best players. A team with Amare, Melo, Gallo, AR, Felton, buke and Will is a sure title contender next season. Isnt that what Carmelo would want?

Carmelo Anthony is probably not willing to play in Minnesota, I think this “rumor” is a smokescreen or even a masquerade more than anything. I like our chances, but Donnie Walsh must play his cards right – he will have to make the right decision or non-decision at the right time.

Denver is simply forcing the action. Melo has not signed his extension and likely won’t. The further along the season goes, the less leverage the Nuggets can exercise. In addition, it’s just another free agent drama hanging over the season. Some people were more interested in LeBron’s destination than NBA Finals.

Denver may want to deal Melo to the Clippers or Nets as they have some strong draft picks and young talent. The Nets have their 1st round picks and a Golden State first rounder. The Clippers have their own and a T’Wolves first rounder.

The Nets could send Murphy, Favors, T-Will, and a couple of first round picks for Melo. That would keep Lopez and Harris (who Denver doesn’t need) to pair with Melo as their big three.

Harris
Morrow
Melo
Humphries???
Lopez

Outlaw
Farmar
……
……

That team has a great starring lineup (if healthy ) but a terrible bench.

I love how everybody assumes that Carmelo Anthony is desperate to play in NY just because some “reports” say so, yet when those same reporters say that Denver isn’t interested in trading with NY, you guys all discount it just like that. Do those guys know what they are talking about or are they full of s**t? Pick a side people! Its amusing how everybody ignores any report out there unless it heaps praise on the Knicks. Most of the people on here endlessly bashed just about everyone when they CORRECTLY said that LeBron wasn’t coming to the Knicks. Now everyone is buying what the media is saying about Melo, as long as it favors the Knicks.

You favor everything that doesn’t list the Knicks as a frontrunners (aka putting up the link of the likely destinations) but diss those who believe we are frontrunners.

Nope. I diss those who use the media to make their points, but ignore everything that disputes their points. Its the hypocritical aspect that annoys me. I have no problem with Knicks fans believing that Melo is going to be a Knick. But don’t use a report to back your belief up, and then refuse to even acknowledge anything out their that disputes the points you make (and by you, I mean Knicks fans in general). Personally, I think there is a chance he ends up in NY. But I think that completely ignoring every report out there that says otherwise is foolish. If you want to completely ignore every media report out there, thats fine. But you can’t only use it selectively to back up your ideas, and ignore everything else. Thats ridiculous.

Well its obvious the Knicks don’t have anything the Nuggets want so they might as well wait and see what happens at the end of the season.

“Again, from what I hear the Nets are not assured he would whatsoever.”

Yeah, and you’re sources are what? The guy at the water cooler? The NY Post?

I’m all ears.

Oh, wait…that’d be you that’s all ears.

Just a few thoughts while everyone is getting nice and frothed up by the headline that Carmelo is going to the worst teams of last year…

from preliminary Larry Coon comments re the new CBA, top tier free agents are still anticipated to get per year compensation in the mid/high teens. 3 year extensions are not being targeted.

So yes there is some per year salary risk and NY taxes are high but discounting the off court marketing uptick for Melo in a NY jersey is overblown.

Lastly, while it may be understandable from an emotional standpoint (after being told Melo ain’t signing, better trade him) Denver appears to be acting childish and that is rarely good for business. This is not going to make Melo a fun guy to have on the team if they plan to trade him mid season.

Take a couple of deep breaths and wait for cooler heads to prevail. Chances of him going to Minne gave got to be close to zero…don’t believe the hype…the sequel.

Teams like the T-Wolves and the Kings are perfect teams to bring into a 3-way. They suck, Melo doesn’t want to go there but they have the types of assets Denver wants.

Sorry long post, I was bored n couldn’t sleep…

Here’s my 3-way
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cy7zht

Minnesota Gets:
Billups
Randolph
Chandler
Walker
Knicks 2014 1st Rd

Minny gets an improved team with a leader at PG. They fill a need with Chandler and get Randolph’s potential and athleticism.

Darko
Love
Chandler
Brewer
Billups

Randolph – off the bench as the 6th man.
Wesley Johnson
Luke Ridnour

Denver Gets:
Gallo
Flynn
Beasley
Telfair
Curry
Minny 2011 1st Rd

Denver gets better talent overall than Minny got in the KG deal by getting Gallo, Beasley and Flynn. They also get a 1st rd pick next year. also all of the contracts are 1 yr deals giving them flexibility as they rebuild.

Nene
Beasley
Gallo
afflalo
Lawson

Bench
Flynn
Birdman
Harrington
K-Mart

Knicks Get:
Carmelo
J.R.Smith
Rights to Ricky Rubio

The Knicks give up alot but get their 2nd Superstar, a talented scorer and possible 6th man of the year candidate at the 2 and the rights to an exciting PG prospect.

Turiaf
Stoudemire
Melo
azubuike
Rubio

Bench
JR Smith
Felton
Douglas
Fields
Mozgov

doesnt matter what Carmelo wants at this stage.

he does not have a no trade clause.. he does not have the ability to choose where the Nuggs trade him.

no one knoews what the new CBA will be.

Coons is an expert on the CBA but he is no where near the negotiating room.

His opinions are just that. when he speaks facts i listen// when he pontificates i remember that he is just a college professor who wrote a CBAFAQ web site/.

Melo is not getting low balled by Denver. He will sign a 3year extension for 65 million and he will go to the Knicks, IF Denver and New York can agree on the trade. I do not believe Denver does not like what we have to trade. I believe Denver wants more players, picks, etc. than Walsh wants to give up. Nets, Wolves and Clippers are just window dressing to get Walsh to give up more to get Melo. Patience. Walsh does not want to over pay. Hopefully he will not and still get the deal done.

“he does not have the ability to choose where the Nuggs trade him.”
He has the ability to sign an extension or not. Thats why Melo hasn’t been traded to all of these teams you all claim to have better assests and fit perfectly for Melo.
Because If he won’t sign the extension nobody’s going to trade for him. To make it better if the Nuggets don’t trade him in a year they lose him for nothing and since he wants NY we win.
Like Amar’e he never got traded because he wouldn’t sign an extension with the Warriors.

It was Melo and his friends’ quotes that have been saying NY, not the media. The quotes. That’s why I’ve largely ignored the media’s take on the situation, pro or con.

“Melo wants his money, and we know he wants NY as well. There in lies the main issue.”

I hate always being the lone voice of dissent but how do we “know” Melo wants NY again so badly that he will give up that extension if Denver trades him elsewhere.

Also how do we “know” Melo wants NY at all. I never heard that from him, and his team, or his wife for that matter, could just be using NY as leverage as countless other superstars have done in the past ever since the Ewing trade.

are you saying that NO team would want one year of Carmelo Anthony?

A “top 5 player in the league”

If he IS a top 5 player then he should be about to win 45 plus games with a bunch of scrubs around him (LBJ won 55 plus.. Wade won 50 plus)

I cold envision any number of teams wanting to take a shot at 45 plus wins and a playoff run..

Some teams value EVERY year and take EVERY shot to get to the playoffs..

Max contract for max years . . . of course they are low balling Melo.

They are not trading him to the Knicks.

“we know he wants the knicks”

We don’t know this. We assume it. He hasn’t told us this. Just like this summer, we read rumors and hearsay and attribute it to the subject as if they said it, which they didn’t.

Melo could very easily want LA or Houston, WE DON’T KNOW.

If we can’t trade for Melo I think our only hope is that he gets traded to a franchise that has no hopes of signing him to an extension.

What it is, is that Melo is in a tough spot. Ater the summer of Lebron turned into the summer of the Heat and the new direction of how NBA players do business if Melo settles for whatever team that ownership sends him to then he would be ridiculed by his peers as weak and not one of the elite. How does that look Lebron and Wade on the Heat along with Bosh are getting crazy attention and watch when the season starts your going to see them on almost every bball related commercial or NBA promo. Amare is in the NY and his star will become even bigger by playing on the biggest stage and the main point is everyone of those players went no matter what the fans or ownership wanted to the team of their choosing. So money or not if the Nuggets trade him to any team and the team is informed he won’t sign an extension then why would any team give up the farm for Melo? Denver then has a choice keep him until for the season go through the circus which will destroy their season and lose Melo for nothing which would make the Nuggets look like fools or send him to the team he wishes to play for whatever team that may be and everyone is happy. Imo if Melo settles and signs with whatever team he is sent to he will fade into obscurity instead of being put on the same level as the Lebron, Kobe and Wade’s of the NBA.

So money or not if the Nuggets trade him to any team and the team is informed he won’t sign an extension then why would any team give up the farm for Melo?

How about for a chance to make the playoffs THIS YEAR or even make a run at the Finals? Some teams value EVERY year and want to strike when the opportunity presents itself. Some teams value EVERY year and the opportunity to win games.

If Melo is truly a “top 5 player” then he should be good for 45 plus wins (like the other 4 top 5 players)

WHat team WOULDNT take that shot?

[...] to Sam Amico (via Tommy Dee), who writes about the Kings for the Sacramento Bee, the buzz is that the Nuggets want to trade [...]

Guys no worries Melo will be a Knick by next week.. He got into a twitter beef with some slut chick (Kay stacks) last night & ended up putting a 5k bounty on her head .. Translation, his trade value is shot .. True story & it shiuld help push Melo out of Denver ..It will be all over the internet in a couple hours ..

*Kat Stacks*

Some owners are talking about a NFL-type franchise player tag to keep stars with their current teams. The current CBA offers financial rewards for resigning with their present franchise. That has been enough to prevent too much movement.

The small market guys and teams that build through the draft will probably think that’s a good idea. There’s an article in the Times that covers it pretty well.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/rethinking-the-system-as-n-b-a-stars-move/?src=mv

itzyung1 .. Agreed.
But several on the blog are not getting that pretty obvious point.

You are not dissenting. You appear to be confused. You are not sure that Melo is not happpy in Denver. You are not sure why he has not accepted a 65 million dollar extension. You are not sure he and his new wife will like New York. You want to wait for Melo to tell what he wants to do. But you realize that what Melo wants to do and what the Denver Nuggets do with him (they do have contract rights) may not be what Melo wants. The confusion will end soon enough.

You seem to assume that others teams can’t make a better offer than the Knicks and that Denver doesn’t want players on other teams. They don’t want Eddy Curry and a first pick four seasons down the road. They want to rebuild their team ASAP and the Knicks can’t provide as much as others in that regard.

Now someone will bring up Gallo and/or Randolph are what Denver really wants, but in two years those guys are restricted free agents. So you offer Denver a centerpiece that maybe gone after two seasons, a guys that won’t even return the Knicks phone calls, and a pick four years from now. That won’t get the deal done.

Possible. Some team might give Denver enough to cause Denver to trade Meloone year rental. Anything is possible. I guess you believe it is possible?

You completely screwed Minny .. To the point where there’s no need to explain ..

ok, decent argument.

But that team ‘taking a shot’ will give up alot less for that 1-year rental of Melo.
Maybe 1 very good young player or a single #1 pick.
Its a rental, and that changes everything.
If that is the case, it is great for the Knicks, then they have a shot at signing him in ’11 and losing no players.

Biggie I hearyou and that maybe true but the pieces that those teams have to give up would hamper said teams chances at making the playoffs, it would be Melo and the Jordaneirs all over again. Factor in the coach of those teams and the city becuase yes they are professional and getting paid millions but how hard are you gonna play for a team you want no parts of, get badly injured and now your free agency money drops becuase of it. Melo can cruise with a bad team and still get his money becuase teams are smart to know he did not want to be there. Leading the Nets, Kings, Rockets to the playoffs is nice for both parties involved but when Melo leaves the owners have to answer to why they gave up so much for a player that made it known he was leaving at the end of the season. One year of possibly being in the playoffs and years of rebuilding to gain back the players they gave up for Melo so that said teams can be competitive again really dont make any sense. If I was Melo and I said I only want to go the x team and I still get traded I will play hard but not all out becuase my heart wont be in it. Thats just me.

The answer lies in circular logic. Melo wants only us and will tell teams that he wants only because he wants only us.

In addition, Denver has no leverage and will have to take whatever we offer. So we will get Melo without giving up anything to weaken our team, because Melo wants to only play with us and win a title with us, nobody else. Thus, he will make sure that we don’t give up any assets that really matter.

He does not lose if he understands the CBA ramifications and is ok with how it might play out.
Your assuming that if he does not max out the money he could receive in his NBA contract; he loses.
If Carmelo would rather make very good money and play where he wants to play instead of max-money then he wins.

lol. Hilarious. That’s some baller moves right there by Denver. They deserve props for that. Carmelo, be careful what you wish for man lol.

I think every team would want Melo for this year, but what would you give up for a one year rental?
Surely not what you would give up for a 6-year deal.
If Melo is intent on playing in NY on the Knicks, then I don’t see anyone in the NBA offering a better package of Gallinari and Chandler plus a future #1 pick. You really think Houston, Orlando, Sacramento and NJ are going to give up major assets for one year?

I seen it, what it is Jayo is that he made a bad error in judgement and I dont know if this chick disrespected his family or not so if she did and he said that becuase of it he is dead wrong being an elite player and professional but also we are human no matter what. That will get play then blow over.

@TK — you understand the the NUggets — the only people that matter — dont consider our assets to be worth going after.

Chandler is a one year renal of a flawed player and Gallo has a potentially explosive vertebrae.

call it hating or whatever makes you comfortable but the league does not value our assets

Also, the NUggs want first round picks in the next two years.

So Minnesota trades Flynn, Love, Beasley, Rubio, plus their first round probable lottery pick for Billups, Chandler, Randolph, Walker, and a Knicks first round pick in 2014.

No one way that’s going to happen.

where is Melo’s quote again? must have missed that.

Minny doesnt have their pick this year. It goes to the Clipps unprotected.

If you think there is a team will give up their farm on a one year rental star just for the idea of making the playoffs you aren’t as smart as I thought you were.

Its still not too late to become a New Yorker.

This whole “big three” thing has lost its luster man lol.

EFF LA LA!if it werent for melo,shed be taking her clothes off for cash right now.by the time she hits 30,God knows what shell be doin

Seriously Frank White, would you trade Gallinari and Randolph for a playoff run knowing you team isn’t strong enough to battle the contenders anyway?

The only team I could see doing it is the Mavericks with Butler Beabouis Chandler and Picks but that would give them a championship lineup.

Let’s say the tberwolves try a rental. Wes Johnson other pieces and picks.
Flynn
Brewer
Melo
Beasley
Love

That’s a first round exit. The Timbs lose a young player in Wes for nothing.

“He does not lose if he understands the CBA ramifications and is ok with how it might play out.”

I’m sorry, I didn’t take into account that he may be clairvoyant.

“Your assuming that if he does not max out the money he could receive in his NBA contract; he loses.”

He does if the CBA is significantly different.

“If Carmelo would rather make very good money and play where he wants to play instead of max-money then he wins.”

That’s a big IF out of a garden variety of “ifs”, that’s the point. Now that he has a family he has to think in terms of his best interest for them. An athlete’s career is very short relative to most careers so I don’t blame them for following the money. Leaving a $65 mil contract extension on the table to take a chance on the unknown isn’t the best idea.

If there is a lockout he’ll lose whatever he was to be paid during the lockout and whatever the difference is between an extension under the current CBA and whatever it is after.

I think the Knicks are (probably) the only team that will trade for Melo without him signing an extension with the Nuggets prior to the trade.

The Kings are a possibility because of Dalembert’s expiring, as are the Bobcats because of Dampier’s uninsured contract. But the Knicks can offer equivalent if not better talent than the Kings or Bobcats.

Pistons and Rockets both have the expirings and talent to be major suitors for Melo as well.

lala is claiming that his account was hacked.

That is OG right there! lol

I’m sorry, I didn’t take into account that he may be clairvoyant.

**meaning he is ok with the CBA NOT playing out in his favor, meaning getting less contract money. This has nothing to do with predicting the future

He does if the CBA is significantly different.

**Yes, he loses money. but he might be OK with that to play where he wants.
Your thinking like a regular guy, not a wealthy athlete.
Carmelo is going to make his money via contract and endorsements and if he makes 17 million playing for the Knicks or 20 million playing for the Nuggets, he could be ok with that.
His wife and kids are not going to starve.

“Just a few thoughts while everyone is getting nice and frothed up by the headline that Carmelo is going to the worst teams of last year…”

We were one of those worst teams. Four games better than the Kings.

If that happens it is a good thing for the Knicks. He will be a free agent and then I really like ourchances

Of course his kids won’t starve lol, but like I said a player’s career is very short in relation to us “regular guy(s)” you need to maximize your earnings as much as possible and that means not taking a chance on the CBA cutting into the percentage of the cap that max contract is or it’s the length.

That’s a lot of money at the end of the day and it’s a huge risk. None of us know how important that security is to him or his wife.

Noone knows where Melo is going.

Two weeks ago the Knicks were the undeniable destination. Bucher even mentioned on tv that Curry and Gallinari + pieces was a strong offer

Next week our offer isn’t strong enough. Enter the rockets who suddenly have a surge and are mentioned as the most likely destination for Melo.

Now the Clippers the nets the bobcats have been thrown in.

Misogyny is not becoming. You obviously need to meet a woman. Try match.com.

“That’s a lot of money at the end of the day and it’s a huge risk. None of us know how important that security is to him or his wife.”

So then how can you claim to have any insight into his wants. As a misogynist you have stated that a “A woman is not about passing up guaranteed money like that. NY be damned.” Like I said, get out a little bit. Maybe meet a couple.

Obviously no one knows what he or Denver will do. However, it is promising for the Knicks franchise that up to this point he has not signed the extension wile letting it be “known” that NY is a possible destination for him. You maintain that he would not take the risk of losing money, but it appears that he is headed in that direction because he is already toying with the risk.

Whether he signs or not is up to him, but unbridled pessimism, mixed with misogynistic overtones, mixed with hypocritical pedantry is obnoxious. You tend to come off more intelligent than that.

If they do call Melo’s ” bluff” and move into auction mode and Melo is not “bluffing” they can find themselves in a world of hurt.

If Melo really does value his free agency and freedom as a grown man to choose where he wants to live and play, Denver faces a stark reality if they try to force his hand. Not only will they probably lose any chance of him wanting to work with them on getting a deal done, but his value goes down tremendously because teams will immediately know Denver is operating from a desperately weak position.

If he is “bluffing” then you’re right.

I think all of the talk about the big three in NY, given what has happened this summer, is more than just talk for these guys. But that’s just my opinion. The face of the NBA has changed, and winners stand to make alot more (regardless of CBA rules).

“you understand the the NUggets — the only people that matter — dont consider our assets to be worth going after”

Pure speculation Biggie.

You know the Nuggets are trying to put pressure on the Knicks by saying that our package isn’t worth going after. If you’re trying to be objective, be consistent.

“So then how can you claim to have any insight into his wants.”

Never claimed to.

You and others have.

“As a misogynist you have stated that a “A woman is not about passing up guaranteed money like that. NY be damned.” Like I said, get out a little bit. Maybe meet a couple.”

Not sure how that makes me a misogynist. If anything it points to the intelligence of a woman to look at the financial security to be had in such a lucrative extension. If you don’t see that then maybe you need to “meet a couple”.

“However, it is promising for the Knicks franchise that up to this point he has not signed the extension wile letting it be “known” that NY is a possible destination for him.”

He’s let it be known that he’d play for other teams besides the Knicks if you believe the “reports” or do you have selective faith in the media/”reports”? LOL

“You maintain that he would not take the risk of losing money”

Where did I say that? I said it was a risk and that none of us knows how important that part is to him or his wife.

“Whether he signs or not is up to him, but unbridled pessimism, mixed with misogynistic overtones, mixed with hypocritical pedantry is obnoxious.”

I think you just have a problem with reading comprehension, I never said he isn’t coming here, I never made any sexist or “misogynistic” statements (totally not me), where have I been hypocritical? I think many here have been hypocritical by believing only pro-Knick news and then labeling anything that doesn’t favor NY as “hate” or complete nonsense.

“You tend to come off more intelligent than that.”

Thanks.

U know, why don’t this genious Melo, say thru his people, he doesn’t say it, but thru his people, why don’t he come out and say I intend to be a free agent next summer or let his people come out and say I will only sign an extension with the Knicks or Wizards and kill the Nuggets leverage.

“Now someone will bring up Gallo and/or Randolph are what Denver really wants, but in two years those guys are restricted free agents. So you offer Denver a centerpiece that maybe gone after two seasons”

LMAO you’re ridiculous… Stop it…

And I’m not even saying the Knicks can make the best offer

Melo has been a regular at the labor meetings so he knows exactly what is being discussed for a new CBA. He’s going to know exactly whats going on in that department. If there’s not a huge difference he might leave some money on the table thinking he can gain more in endorsements in NY. However, he’s not going to leave $20-25 MM on the table just to leave Denver. But he’s obviously looking to leave or he wouldn’t be in on the CBA meetings and he’d just re-sign for his insane 3 yr/$65MM deal. Now its a matter on how it all works out. But this will ultimately be a business decision. It always is.

And in the end it might be the Nets who do get em, they have multiple #1 picks to move, Troy Murphy’s expiring contract, Humpries’s expiring contract Derrick Favors and they move to Brooklyn soon and he gets his money. So say the Nets start the season with say Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow, Melo, Petro and Lopez as their starting 5, I think they can get by and be fine.

Melo went to one meeting …. Hardly a regular

Someone said this earlier which is that the Melo drama along with the Heat neglected tour will overshadow every team including the Knicks for a long time. If Melo somehow finds his way on the Knicks we are talking possibly the return of the good ol days of Heat vs Knicks and with the East stronger than before a lot of tough games and high level competition will be the nrom. I’m excited and can’t wait until the season starts but to be honest its to see what the other teams like the Celts, Heat, Bulls, look moreso than our Knicks. They don’t have that star power that has me feenin to watch them right now.

” A woman is not about passing up guaranteed money like that. NY be damned.”

But a man would?

yeah! just like he did in PHO!

How is DEN calling Melo ‘s bluff?

How about Melo calls DEN’s bluff?

how about this:

if he doesn’t get what he wants, he doesn’t sign the extension and if necessary exercises his 18+ mil option in 2012 if the CBA doesn’t turn out favorably. then in 2013 he is a FA and is free to sign a max contract with anybody.

at the end of the day. DEN gets ZEROE. he may lose some money overall. but how much realistically?

Since he is not going to have any fun anyway being traded to a losing franchise, he may as well try to go where he wants.

Note to Kroenke: they ended slavery 150 years ago.

@Itzyung1

thank you for saving me all the typing…you are right on point:

-no one will give up a big package for a one year rental of melo, especially teams that won’t contend this year even if melo is added (anyone he’d be remotely be tempted to play along side will be traded for him, then he’s not even locked up past the one year)

- thus, melo has ALL the leverage in this situation…he’ll only sign the extension now if he goes to the team he desires…if not, melo will play
one more year for Denver , and leave in FA … Denver will get nothing in that scenario

-anyone still arguing the above, simply didn’t understand the situation at first, and doesn’t want to change their position…CBA and lala…come on…if he signs now or waits for FA…either way he’ll get a great
contract with plenty of security for his family and a few small countries

-the one unknown is despite media fluff, we have no idea what’s in Melos head as far as his team of preference right now. I hope it’s the knicks…if so, that’s where he’s going, whether it be FA or traded now ( the latter being best choice for nuggets)…if he wants BK and the nets than he’s going there…and so on

Ok. The mighty devil’s advocate. Where do you stand on Melo? Do you think he wants to come to NY? You have given reasons as to why he might not come.

Are you reserving judgment? Ok, if you are, but refresh my opinion as to whether you think he is coming or not.

It is highly misogynistic of you to claim that “a woman” would make any kind of decision on the topic. Who’s to say she doesn’t have her own ambition and sees proximity to her work as a means of strengthening her career. In fact, people have claimed just that. She has displayed credible ambition and is looking to strengthen her own position in the world. Perhaps like many successful women out there, she doesn’t want to rely on her ball-playing husband to be her only provider.

When you generalize about women here, you are hinting that you have some insight into how a female (in this case Carmelo Anthony’s wife) would attempt to sway his decision. It means you think that she will convince him to take the money. When you say you don’t know how “they” are thinking about it, you are claiming that you don’t know how his wife will try to sway him.

Pick one or the other. You can’t have both.

Are you really a knick fan???
The reality is that he isn’t a knick,but everytime I check this blog ur angle is pessimistic…..I’m really curious to ur position

If you recall. because I don’t remember you being around last season, Nate was fined because his agent made a public trade demand. That is a fine-able offense according to David Stern. doesn’t matter who says it, the player or his “people,’ and that would probably include LaLa.

THANK YOU!
Finally Somebody reads my comment. I Mean What Im saying is the reason why Melo is still a nugget.
Im offended that Donnie only offered Wilson , Curry, and a 1st So you know Denver was appalled. He needs to do Gallo+Wilson+Curry+1st. Then sit on Denver because they will cave after Melo says Im not signing to every team they want to trade him to.

That’s assuming that the new CBA doesn’t include a franchise player tag like the NFL. It’s being talked about after the decision fiasco.

Some people have suggested that Melo could lose $15-20 million, if he goes as a free agent. As it stands now, without a sign and trade Melo would lose about $10.5 million. If Melo does go as a free agent, the majority of teams with cap space are losing teams.

Aside from that it looks like Denver will try to get as much as they can for Melo. If he was going to sign the extension, it would have been done. There is really no point in any animosity from either side, aside from a PR standpoint. Maybe Denver wants to paint Melo as the “bad guy” as the team tries to sell tickets as they rebuild.

Okay you’re right, no one knows nothing. So, care to put your money where text is? Let’s bet on the new max contract…

Melo may want to play with a team that doesn’t have the cap space to sign him as a free agent. In that case, he needs to traded.

Melo may want to get $65 million over the next three years. In that case, he needs to be traded.

Melo may want out of Denver ASAP and not play for a season with all the drama and fallout from LeBron’s decision. In that case, he needs to be traded.

So to say he has all the leverage isn’t accurate. Yes, he can play out his contract this season or take his player option for 2011 and then move as a free agent. However, it may get ugly in Denver. Imagine if someone did this to the Knicks. The Garden would be hostile.

i truly have no idea. Jeff M pointed out below that we could see something completely different — along the lines of Hockey of the NFL with a Hard cap and hurdles put in place to make it harder for franchise players to just get up and go..

in exchange there could be movement on the lower ends of rosters with expanded roster counts and a change in the way D LEague players are accounted for..

What seems obvious is small market teams (the numeric majority) want more control of their talent and a more level playing field with respect to the luxury tax… is it fair that the Lakers and knicks can maintain a 90 plus million dollar payroll and STILL make money while other teams struggle to break at with the minimum payroll levels.

should there be contraction? is that on the table as a nuclear option (the players union DOESNT want that = less jobs)

sooo… the Lakers would have a problem trading Bynum and Sasha plus say.. two first round picks .. for a year of Melo?

Do you NOT think Buss feels he could persuade Melo to stay a laker after his contract runs out?

Say Anthony makes a Finals run (cause thats what “Top 5 players” do) with WHATEVER team.. does he feel giddy enough to sign on for longer after that experience? will the NEW CBA even give him the opportunity to move?

remember that the NEW CBA can fundamentally change the way free agents are dealt with.. and in fact the NATURE of free agency.. all this is up in the air. and in question.

what about the Lakers??

not sure what you mean by a big package for a one year rental..

Denver wants multiple first round picks (in the next three years) .expiring contracts and young/controllable players..

If the Lakers offer Bynum and Artest,it’s over.

Thats a big package and since Melo wants NY and nobody is dumb enough to give all that up for a one year Rental Melo Is In CONTROL!!

What we are really seeing here is a backlash reaction by an owner to what we saw this summer with LBJ and company. And unfortunately for Melo he is the victim of poor timing and circumstances. You might even see it as a preview of the CBA negotiations.

In fact, I have to believe that this is quickly becoming a test case for both the players and the owners going into the CBA negotiations. So unless we get a quick resolution soon, we are going into a deadlock scenario that will not get resolved without a third party arbitration (maybe Stern?).

all those trade scenarios are nothing more than DEN’s wish list and have nothing to do with where Melo wants to go. Incidentally, Melo has been very careful about stating anything publicly concerning a trade.

Itzyung1…we got to make this clear to these guys:

@biggie…multiple firsts, exp contracts , and young talent is a big package…no team will give that in a trade , if they are only guaranteed to get melo for one year…in a sign and trade you do give all that up, because you know you get melo for at least 3 years…but he will only agree to sign and trade to a team he wants to go to…so melo is steerimg the ship here.

@Jeff …melo does have the leverage here…the teams he has shown interest in all have the cap space next year to sign him…knicks ( via currys exp contract), nets, rockets, and clippers…and other teams may create the space during this season to make a run at him as well…he’ll have plenty of options in FA and Denver will get nada. Denver gets the most back only if they sign him to the multi year and trade him to the team he chooses.

Really the only leverage denver has he’s still a nugget today, so maybe an exec or teamate or new gm will sway him back…don’t bet on it though…I don’t see how melo doesn’t hold 99% of cards here…he does hold the cards and the leverage.

We have to. Melo Might As Well Have A No-Trade Clause With A Year Left On His Contract. So not only does Denver have to trade him they have to trade him to where he wants or they get NOTHING.

are you talking to me?

I totally AGREE! Too many knuckleheads wanna-be blog Executive of the Year with their crazy a** speculations. Melo has the power to make or break any trade PERIOD!

DW better not give up anybody when you can get MELO on the cheap! The team is already built for his coming! And Melo knows that!

so you wouldnt give up a young player.. two future first rounders and some expiring contracts for a one year rental of a top 5 player?

Melo has NO control of where he plays this year. plain and simple.

@EJ.. why wouldnt the Lakers make that deal?

why wouldnt Orlando?

Why wouldnt Atlanta?

Why wouldnt Dallas?

Why wouldnt San Antonio?

Why wouldnt ANY team trade two future #1s and some roster fodder for a top 5 player.. even if it is ONE year.. it only takes ONE year to win a chip.. then anything can happen.. Shoot.. even to “be in the conversation” for a chip tell me why ATL wouldnt do that. you think they’re winning today with what they got?

clearly the Nuggs get MORe if they have the Extend and trade in place.. that isnt even a debate..

What you think it takes to get Melo (a “top 5 player”) in a sign and trade today?

if you think it’s a young player.. expirings and some future picks DOWN THE ROAD.. you’re delusional. No shots.

oh.. and ASSUMING the CBA is relatively unchanged (BIGGGG ASSUMPTION) the Nuggs most definitely get two first rounders in a FA sign and trade (look up Bosh, Chris) .. in exchange for a big money at bird rights rates.

unfortunately.. for a “top 5 player” AND a contract extension the knicks dont have the pieces that Denver wants.

soare me the Chandler/Gallo talk — a) no one wants Chnadler b) he will be RFA next year c) Gallo doesnt seem to be highly regarded on the open market either.

not talking about a lower level team in the rental market. — Though the euphoria of a playoff push and a “top 5 player” just might convince some GMs of bad teams to do the rental deal..

and it WOULDNT take A gallo AND a Randolph type to do a rental deal in my opinion.

i think ANY top teir team would jump all over a rental deal and give up 2 first rounders inthe next three years (or more) if it meant a being in the convo for a chip..

a team looking to make a jump and an impression (Charlotte or NoLa For example) may do that deal.. assuming they had an owner who THOUGHT he could eventually sell him on a deal..

how else does a middle of the road team get access to a “top 5 player”? u gotta take some chances in this world if you wanna be Big. other wise just shut down and go home.

THIS JUST IN FROM CHRIS BOUSSARD…”MY SOURCES INDICATE TO ME… THAT CARMELO ANTHONY IS GOING TO THE HEAT..THEY ARE THE FRONT RUNNER, FOLLOWED BY CHICAGO,AND THEN CLEAVLAND”…LOL..I CAN JUST HEAR HIM SAYING IT…( JUST A JOKE,CHRIS BOUSSARD IS AN ASS, AND ANY CHANCE I GET TO BASH HIM I WILL)

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