Owners Pushing for “Franchise” Tag?

Eddy didnt sign a 100 million dollar contract.

A franchise tag would have done nothing for his situation.

insurance picks up most of the dollars when a player gets injured so that is a red herring (unless a contract is uninsurable then the onus is on the owner)

Kerr talking about “getting rid of dead money” and “the length of guaranteed contracts” has zero to do with a franchise tag either. When a player retires for medical conditions the team can petition to have the dollars removed from the cap under the current CBA./

this talk of a franchise tag would be a disaster for a team (like the knicks) looking to add a second (or first) super star in 2011..it would seriously hamper player movement at the TOP of the food chain.. that’s what it has done in football.

Anyone reading this CBA speculation and supporting waiting around for the new CBA to add another super star should really get all the information.

Clearly there will be changes at the top of the food chain to limit player moves in the top 1% of players.

if owners want to limit dollars spent in the 10 million dollar range (Curry’s range) then they can just draw a line in the sand on years of dollars.

My sense is a drastically rejiggered cap structure where max players get say 15% (vs up to 30% now) of a larger HARD cap number (say 70 mil) with expanded rosters is where it all will end up

Under that scenario Melo losses somewhere around 35 mil over the next three years by waiting for free agency in 2011

Franchise tag has always been the key! I’m a strong supporter of it.

Latest guy that could ask to be traded, amazing-http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68951/20100902/deron_next_to_ask_for_trade/

I hate Football’s system, I think it forces players to hold out for the most guaranteed money (hate it but it’s understandable on the player’s part) because in a sport where players have relatively short careers compared to other sports due to injury, it’s unfair for a team to simply cut a player and it not be held liable to a contract that they signed.

If the owners are gung-ho for this there will probably be a lockout unless the players cave on some variation of it.

Whatever for that here is something that as I have said over and over we need to really keep an eye on!

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68951/20100902/deron_next_to_ask_for_trade/

I keep telling you guys while I really like Melo if this thing drags out I would take a look at how the Jazz are doing and if there just average to floundering I discreetly go hard for D.Will! Gallo,Felton,Fields,EC contract & a 1rd pick for D.Will & Okur who is on a bad wheel with a not good contract (11m for another year) Just a hypothetical but D.Will is the better player over all at a key position.

I’d rather have him or Paul over Carmelo, I still don’t think they’re going to struggle that much without Boozer for some reason. Sloan’s teams always execute extremely well. They just have to hold on until the Lakers get old lol.

Felton can not be traded till December 15th

just read the piece and it is very informative and relavant to the Carmelo Anthony Situation

Kerr makes the point that the basis of a franchise tag is to restrict a player’s freedom.

But the writer is a bit too simplistic in applyng the NFL as a comparison. Using “positions” in the NBA is really not a good barometer to set a franchise tag salary.. but say it was something on the order of 120% of the average or the top 30 (or 15) overall players rather than by position?

that would recognize the player as one of the true “franchise” players and would allow for a one year “cooling off period” and more leverage to work a trade for a reasonable return

– another quote from the article:

For Gabe Feldman, director of the Sports Law Program at Tulane University, a franchise tag in the NBA would represent a team’s increased leverage versus a player demanding a trade.

like i have been saying.. if the opportunity presents itself to grab a “super star” player under the current CBA I believe Donnie should jump all over it..

because the only thing we know about the next CBA is we dont know what it will be and what changes will come. the uncertainty needs to be recognized and used in the evaluation of options THIS year.

I never liked the Franchise Tag in the NFL, it to me is like keeping a player who wants to explore his options locked down which as we’ve seen is never good. How do you force someone who did his time and wants to go elsewhere and see how it is on the other side of the fence and then they are told not so fast we own you for another year. That will only grow animosity between players and owners and cause some bad chemistry issues in the lockeroom. So as you can tell I’m against it. If it does happen I’m a gonna call it the Gilbert Rules. Now I love Deron over Melo then CP3 but he won’t be traded no time soon if Utah trades him they might as well sell the franchise because they will have zero star power and attendance. The only logical choice is Melo who is one season away from free agency.

I’d rather have Paul than DWill but it is pretty close. Whoever can be had for the cheapest although Paul is the better player

What u guys care about the franchise tag? You ain’t the one getting paid! So freaking what! Move on! It’s just another way for owners to enslave a player!

And? Lol.

He’d make a great backup if the Knicks could somehow get a top 3 point guard like Deron or Paul.

The way I the franchise tag is being described tells me that that could mean trouble in the future. For one it could mean a lock out because I don’t see players agreeing to that. What really makes me wonder is when will these changes go into action. If it went into action immediately at seasons end(or should I say July1st) then would Denver be able to exercise this to force Melo into a longer stay? I woud say that if this goes into play then people should forget about the already pipe dream of signing CP3 or D-Will. Would would this disrupt the Melo situation in terms of his bird rights.

The franchise tag might be good for parity throughout the league, but it would not be good for any team i.e.(Knicks)lloking to stack the deck against Miami.

I could just see it now……….

Pat Riley 2016

“LeBron, Dwayne, Chris, your not leavin’ just yet”

Nuttin coming out your pocket, so what, it’s going to be resolved one way or another.

It’s already set in motion, too late because we already started the rebuilding process and I’m sure the new agreement probably won’t affect the already written contracts! Oh well that’s life!

I said this in an earlier thread about amare, but i think i was too late: (its off topic.)

Why is it that nash helped amare so much but it’s never the other way around? Amare, being the best finisher above the rim in the NBA, is a pretty nice asset for a pick and roll PG to have. Let’s see how steve nash fairs with robin lopez. is it possible that 2 players can be mutually beneficial for eachother? I guess david lees production was simply due to the utter brilliance of Chris Duhon.

Didn’t Amare average 21 and 9 the season before Nash got there?

The way to fix the NBa is not a franchise tag simply absurd. First, the NFL is a different animal. There are 53 men on a roster. That means that usually an NFl team has at least three or four vaulable players. The team must decide between a couple of great players who to give the tag. Now the Nba there are 12 people on the roster and of those 12 there are one to two valuable stars. If you allow the tag for a team that has a Lebron they would never come across a player who has equal value so they would simply tag him for 15 years straight. There would be no such thing as star free agency. If you are a star you would be basically never allowed to reach free agency for you career unless somehow you team drafted a player as good or better than you. Second, the NBA’s biggest problem is that they are spread two thin and they play far too many games. There are simply not enough top tier basketball talent to go around which the NBA not very competitive. The league would be a lot better if it had between 20 and 25 teams rather than 30. And lets not get started on the playoffs. Its almost as bad as the NHL it goes on for EVER!!. Do you know why the NFL is the most popular sport now because every game has meaning from the regular season to the playoffs. I remember that Nba lock out shortend season when the knick lost to the spurs that was one of the best seasons ever cus they played like 50 games.

If I was running the NBA is would cut the league down to 24 teams and Cut the season to 60 games and make the playoffs 2 out 3 for each round. I don’t want to here that they lose money by cuting games and teams. Actually they probably make more because more people will watch when the games matter. Cutting dead wieght lossing teams or market teams could either save the league millions in revenue sharing or allow talented players to go to better teams. Cut the clippers, bucks, bobcats, thunder, timberwolves, toronto, Memphis, kings. And you’ll see how much better the league would be talent wise.

You would kick Kevin Durants team out of the league? You’re kidding

yeah I would because despite the fact that they are good because of durant and a few other talented players they player in too small of a market. No body watches them. Having a team in that city no matter how competitive they are is not good for the league. A player like Durant should be playing for NY, Chi, LA, Houston, Boston, sorry the league would be a lot more fun to watch and a lot more competitive if you cut out some teams. And spread that talent to the remaining teams.

there Could be a lock out if there is no agreement by july 1, 2011 when the current CBA expires.

nothing could happen as far as trades or signings until the new cba is signed.

it would go into effect immediately.

this would disrupt any free agent scenario for 2011

If each team got a franchise tag it would HELP small markets retain players and make the team payrolls more balanced.

so you wouldnt see the Lakers with 95 plus mil payrolls and others way under the cap.

presumably the franchise tag wouldnt be permanent for each player. in the NFL i think its a one year thing. then u become UFA.

the point is not to completely mimic the nfl system.

but SOME FORM of franchise tag could immeasurably alter the 2011 free agent class.

there is tanking in every sport..

especially when high draft picks are so valuable.

no way they resude the number of games.. that’s just silly..

they will likely expand rosters and add some form of injured reserve.. and modify the d league situation.

i said on a previous thread.. the union cares about ALL members .. not the 1% highest paid./

they want MORE members and MORE TOTAL money.. if maxes go down of change it would be for the good of the total union..

lots of risks coming up if you are a max guy and looking 4 a payday..

that’s why i think melo wants the 65 mil for three years.

first of all, aren’ there two different issues here:

one, is restricting players movement especially at the top of the scale (i.e. the LBJ syndrome).

two, reduce the cap and/or the players’ overall take of revenues.

Now, we can feel pretty confident the owners are going to agree full heartedly about the 2nd point (paying out less). But are they going to agree about the first one? Will Dolan for instance be agreeable giving up the opportunity of adding a 2nd star to the knicks roster. I doubt it. Same is probably true of a few owners around the league who do not have the good fortune of having a super star on their roster.

By the way, I’d love to hear Mickey Arison’s (MIA owner) take on all of this. which way does he vote now?

Also, wouldn’t you love to attend that first owners’ meeting when Dan Gilbert (CLE) and Mickey Arison (MIA) have to seat in the same conference room!

Gilbert bought the cavs in 2005 for 475 Mil largely due to LBJ. based on recent team transactions he’d be lucky to get back a little over 300 Mil. So you might say Mickey Arison took 150 Mil from him. I think they should frisk him carefully before he enters the room to make sure he isn’t packing!

I love this. Boston bought theirs. Mia now is about to buy theirs. And now that we finally may have a chance to buy ours they want to shut the door on us. WTFK!

Why don’t they rename the league. FKNYK.

I have been watching some USA int ball on TV and i hyave been very impressed by D Rose. I think he is on the cusp of a major beak out year that would put him on par with CP3 and DWill.

If this is the case, look out for CHI to challenge ORL and BOS successfully for the east conference finals. They could be the surprise in the East.

But they still would have to get past the knicks though!

i think more parity in team salaries is a more pressing issue than reducing the cap or players overall take.

Of course they would all agree to reduce the % of BB revenues going to players.

i think a priority is a HARD cap that cant be exceeded and must be met– like football. this way everyone is on a level playing field $ wize unlike LA or Dallas that run in the luxury tax level without concern.

blackwood thru an offer out there for d-williams with felton in the offer so i was just responding saying that felton can’t be traded till december.

Biggie,

you see I don’t get that.

first, the weaker teams profit from the luxury tax by getting some $ back.

Second, there is no guarantee that a more competitive team will bring in that much more revenue. there are many examples to the contrary in the NBA itself. Knicks this year almost sold off the garden with 29 W! Memphis hardly improved their attendance despite posting one of their best records.

Third, I believe there is pretty good evidence that people like to see dynasties within reasons. although Seeing the yanks winning year after year might be a little too much.

Lastly, let’s remember the San Anton dynasty. Was there anything more boring than seeing Duncan win all those finals? I think that hurt more the NBA ratings than anything else!

What in fact the NBA needs is more marketable stars in big markets (like NY) and less Duncan in small markets like SA, which seems to be what they are trying to do!

And where would you find the money to buy out those eight teams? Remember that the league collected big dollars from every expansion team. You are probably looking at $2 billion for those 8 teams and then lawsuits from the arenas that have signed agreements with the vanishing franchises.

The real problem with all this new CBA talk and radical change is that a lengthy lockout will be the result. If the owners can’t reach agreement, they won’t even be able to make an offer to the players. The players may not have many options as we same in 1999. Either sign or stay home.

The Eddy Curry situation means having the ability to cut a player on a long term salary. In the NFL players sign a contract for far more money than is guaranteed. Teams want the option to get out from guys like Curry, McGrady, Marbury, and others.

If you think about how much money is paid to bad players and how much money the league claims to be losing, you might find they ate pretty close to equal.

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The Bulls would have to get past the Knicks?

SMH

Hopefully we’re in their rear view near the end of the season, I think they will be much better than us this year.

I agree Jeff C. Perhaps we might see david lee slip off production or maybe nash doesnt seem to get assists as much anymore or maybe this season the knicks starting pg Raymond Felton becomes an assist machine.

@JaymanJD

everytime some guy says the NBA season is too long I simply say have you ever watched baseball??? Baseball is unbelievabley long and boring. They start in like March-April and keep going all through the summer and even when your kids are back to school it is still going on. It finishes in OCtober. Please no more NBA needs shortening bullcrap. The NBA season is just fine. No need to shorten it nor the playoffs. Now maybe there are too many franchises but that is all. If u want to shorten anything think baseball first then hockey. Are you ****ing kidding???

Franchise tag has been a failure in the NFL. So why would the NBA want to borrow something that hasn’t worked well…

A franchise tag probably would hurt the Knicks. Once we have a situation where it seems like players want to play for the Knicks the owners want to put a restriction on free agency.