After “Failure” Knicks Lean on Amar’e

Patrick Ewing Jr.? Really? Another writer who knows nothing about the Knicks.

yeah, first of all pretty sure nyk didn’t draft pej. and secondly I’m surprised this guy didn’t say something about curry being our starting center, as espn writers seem to be sure of.
people love for the knicks to be bad, so what do you expect. so goes the life of a ny sports fan (unless you like the Yankees).

Yea; the comments about failing to get lebron and then hoping that stoudemire as a centerpiece mixed with size, athleticism, a new PG, and youth, might make us a playoff team: that’s fair.

but when he goes onto talk about our bench of ewing junior and rautins, the 2 players almost guaranteed to get no playing time, i got confused.

And to be fair, we may have failed to get lebron, but that doesn’t mean we ‘failed’, because we still have a lot of our flexibility and can only get better moving forward. if we eventually spend everything and get over the cap and we still aren’t a good team, then we have officially failed.

why even post this article its gotta be the most untrue thing ive read in a while lol …this dude must have just started covering basketball when mozgov started to succeed…

….so i guess that means that mozgov is the faster learner !!

How could one write an article about our heroes without any mention of our franchise player? Talk about bias reporting! Melo? CP3? LeFraud? Who needs them? We got Moz!

yeah lol. Rautins and PE Jr. over Fields as someone with potential?

LOL at this article, so he thinks we can still get CP3? LOL that he has Andy and PE jr on the bench to contribute lol. What about TD? he is more likely to produce than the two guys he named. Dont get me wrong i like PE jr and andy but lets be real if they get major playing time this season we arent sniffing the playoffs.

Damn straight MOz to Lepunk : “I must break you”

Nice lol. Yahoo is always so cheery and optimistic with the Knicks…I wonder what the Nets write-up looks like. “After failure the Nets lean on Travis Outlaw”. Probably won’t even mention it as being a failure.

Also, what are the Knicks “forgetting what they let go of”? Does anyone know what this even refers to?

Also, PE Jr is not a Knick draft pick.

“Yea; the comments about failing to get lebron and then hoping that stoudemire as a centerpiece mixed with size, athleticism, a new PG, and youth, might make us a playoff team: that’s fair.”

Agreed.

“And to be fair, we may have failed to get lebron, but that doesn’t mean we ‘failed’”

The “plan” was to get LeBron plus another max player and we “failed”, that’s pretty obvious I think.

There is no other way to explain drafting Rautins lol. The fall back plan wasn’t bad (as long as Randolph reaches his potential/AZ and Turiaf can come 100% back from injury) considering. Still would have liked our draft pick for this year as it could very well still be in the lottery.

The fact that he even mentions Patrick Ewing Jr. as one with “mysterious young potential” says all you need to know about this writer. Ewing, Jr. was basically signed to be a practice player. Nothing “mysterious” about that. In reality, Ewing Jr. has no better shot at being a regular member of D’Antoni’s rotation this season than does Ewing Sr. Just ridiculous.

no mention of TD or Wilson? Two guys who are likely to play a bigger role then Rautins, Ewing or Turiaf (probably a starter, but less of an impact guy).

This guy should just be disregarded. He knows nothing about the team.

I know we may overvalue Wilson a bit, but he is better then Ariza, who gets a lot of praise.

AN INCONSISTENT GALLINARI??? the kid is freaking 21 years old it makes me laugh seeing articles like tihs…it makes 0 sense not to mention it has so many mistakes in it, i just can;’t stand it that the people get paid And they have no clue what they are talking about

“skilled but inconsistent” is a very accurate description of Gallinari and there have been younger players who have played more consistent than he has, I don’t think age has anything to do with it.

The point is there are many phrases he could have used that would have been equally accurate, but have a better tone.

“a bit green, but very promising”, “young and developing”, “excellent shooter, but still learning the NBA game”, “limited by back problems his first season, but injury free his second”

He almost disregards the kid as a non-factor.

I thought ESPN was bad, but these Yahoos are ten times worse…

He’s referring to David Lee…I think he’s saying STAT is not an upgrade from Lee, which is nonsense, obviously.

LOL

Okay. You guys get so sensitive about anything relating to Gallinari.

He’s skilled.

He’s inconsistent.

Not sure how you read non-factor in that, but even if he had said that would that have been false? He’s not a difference maker at this point in his career either.

There was nothing “unfortunate” about “let(ting) go of” Lee.

All of you are a bunch of knuckleheads not to understand why Gallo and the few others don’t get much respect is due to CHEMISTRY! Without having a true point guard and a dominate inside man, it’s going to expose what they really are! Clueless! Players was looking out for themselves, so what do we really expect outsiders to say? Believe me, they won’t be spitting out that same BS this year!

So that inconsistency BS is for scrubs that couldn’t recognize the BIG PICTURE!

Dumba**!

While they paying attention to STAT & AR, GALLO is going to be shooting the lights out! This so-called inconsistent player was second in the league IN MAKING 3 POINTERS! That needed to be spelTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OUT!

What is Failure?

Failure is not about taking the risk and missing a chance at the optimal scenario.

Failure is being afraid to take the risk to give yourself a chance at the optimal scenario.

Sure you can over analyze it but if you fundamentally think otherwise I feel for you.

He used that term for Gallinari because it is meant to be a negative article. period.

Not to argue over semantics, but he is a difference maker, just not consistently yet.

yea true; we would have also like to get lebron haha. But even though that was the ultimate goal, i don’t think a young potentially solid team can be considered a failure. The lebron plan was a failure, but the medium turn plan to turn this into a respectable playoff team, (and still have a chance for another huge star) is still in effect.

If we make the playoffs this year, given how much financial flexibility and how young we are, you’d have to admit things are going pretty well, even though we gambled on lebron and lost.

Fix: the medium ‘term’ plan ‘is’ to…

There was not A plan, there were several plans.

What it comes down to is, the Lee trade saved Donnie’s ass. If the knicks only came away with Amare and Felton, this year would look really bleak. The Lee trade when combined with Amare and felton makes losing out on Wade and lebron not a disaster.

well said.

Well, failure could be that, but it could also be taking a huge risk, and having it not work out. That’s why you have to try to take risks in moderation. If we went out and spent every dollar we had this summer impulsively we probably wouldve ended up failing. At least this way we can get better without having to go ‘all in’.

If amare starts to buckle and we overpay mediocre talent to fill out the roster over the next year or two without becoming pretty good, that’d be a failure as well.

i personally think that with the statistical black holes Harrington and Lee left behind in the frontcourt, Apart from amare, somebody, anybody, has to have a huge breakout out season. I mean, if randolph doesn’t break out and galo stays the same, what will we average: 80 points a game? Lee and harrington, left behind 40 points and 27 rebounds. Statistically speaking, somebody on this roster, likely more than one person, is going to have a breakout year. We have the perfect players for that situation.

There is a clear vaccum in our lineup and someone will step up to fill it, so this is the a absolute best possible scenario for the likes of randolph and galo.

Sprinkle on raymon felton, even at his career averages, (twice as good as anything duhon ever put on the floor), and the general toughness that was added to the lineup and i just don’t see how this team is not going to be much better than the last 2 years.

lmao I cant believe it! Did I miss the rose colored glassed sale!?! lol There is not a damn thing wrong with calling Gallo inconsistent because that is exactly what he is! Magoo’s plan was a failure because it was expressly built around landing LBJ!

The fact that I feel so damn embarrassed as a knick fan to hear anyone say our draft pick “Rautins” is bad in it’s self. The fact that people keep saying Fields as if he is worth a mention.

Be realistic Knick fans and allow this team to be what it will be. In the end if Magoo would of drafted better from his first draft on and not made that garbage trade with Houston removing the draft picks we had from the trade equation we would be in a better position! As for this flexibility we would have it all at seasons end he just sped it up a year!

Be honest with yourselves guys, let this starter team get off the ground first before you start making them hall of famers.

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No franchize’s business plan for the future is ever based around one person. We obviously did everything we could to give ourselves the best chance, but a GM’s job is to turn a bad team into a good team. If our team becomes good and respectable, you won’t still be sitting there complaining that our GM failed. The organization was a failure before he stepped in here so if the next couple of years go well that is what you call a success.

We have an entirely new team installed for the future that hasn’t played one game yet, and you’re calling it a failure.

I found this quote on a site that had nothing to do with sports but i thought some of you might enjoy it.

“Just because numbers never lie it doesnt mean morons cant draw stupid conclusions from reading them.”

I still don’t understand how we can afford to trade our cheap pieces like Gallo and Chandler and pay Melo a max contract, then have any money left over to field a team and or get any other FAs once the new CBA goes through. Especially if we need to sign Melo at 65 mil/3 years. Doesn’t make sense… No big 3 is possible, that seems pretty certain.

Its all going to be interesting to see how it plays out next year. But I don’t think Gallo or Chandler are going no where in a Melo deal, he’s going to have to sit and wait. No way should the Knicks give up the whole farm for him.

I know one thing…….Gallo better give us 20ppg everynight…..cause as of now, it looks like all we have to look foward to is tony parker……..I read an article where STAT mentioned Yao coming over but, its all talk with the knicks til it happens. Randolph better give us 15&8 too.

Kind of funny that the guy mentions 2 players that should not see any minutes unless its a blowout. If they want to write about the Knicks get someone that has a little knowledge about the team.

And I agree that Gallo was inconsistent and getting Melo/CP3 is a dream……..but i wouldnt say “pipe dream” More like a 1/6 chance dream of getting one of those players

@starksoakmase
“He used that term for Gallinari because it is meant to be a negative article. period.

Not to argue over semantics, but he is a difference maker, just not consistently yet.”

So gallo is an inconsistent difference maker???? LOL!!!

I guess any criticism dealing with Randolph, Gallo or the Red Machine Mosgov will be met with defense for some Knick fans here. Gallo is inconsistent nuff said and the excuses are almost hilarious. He is young, back problems, he didn’t have a great pg to get him the ball but last I checked Westbrook is doin his thing, Jennings who played over seas like Gallo had more of an impact than Gallo had on the Knicks so the excuses don’t fly. What I will say is let our homegrown Knicks play heavy minutes and we go through the growing pains and if we get to the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed and get the Heat, Celtics or Magic and get our butts handed to them hey at least our youngers got that good ol playoff experience. Getting blown out and swept will go a long way in their future.

I wonder why Yahoo sports is considered a “credible” source. This writer delivered this article with extreme bias. Totally unprofessional if you ask me. Getting Melo is a pipe dream? Can he tell Melo where he should wanna play? Why would he mention Rautins and Ewing as if the team is counting on them? Silly.

And oh the Celtics and Bulls had young talented teams and after a while they woke up and traded their chips to be champions or championship contenders.

That article was written by an asshole. Literally, someone’s asshole.

As a Knick fan, sometimes the truth hurts, and I completely agree with yahoo on this one. Now the point about Ewing jr etc is ridiculous, but this article is fair. I have said this several times, too many of you have suffered so long that having a .500 team is soemthing you are thrilled about. Not me, this summer was about our franchise becoming a factor in the east and becoming a title contender this year or next. However what has happened which is pointed out in this article, the east is very top heavy, and if we miss out on melo and he goes to the bulls, the knicks will be on the bottom of the playoffs for the foreseeable future. But hey, if your the fan that’s satisfied rooting for a team that doesn’t stink anymore and is now mediocre than this off-season is a failure. If you are a fan like me that was hoping this team can become a top4 team in the east this season then yes this off-season has been a failure and it will only get worse if we lose out on melo and he goes to the bulls

getting blown out and swept in the playoffs will go along way in their future..oh really, please explain. Because the sooner you realize that Gallo has no trade value because of his back and randolph couldn’t even get playing time on an awful warriors team are all of a sudden going to learn and improve by getting demolished for not just next year but years to come by the heat. How is that beneficial. You learn by winning, not by getting crushed

Yahoo is covering the league, not the Knicks. We as fans see the games that they don’t and know the players better than they ever will. I don’t think they are necessarily biased, I just think they are lacking the depth of knowledge about the team, they have a job to do, and they do it poorly. They have to pretend to knowledge they don’t actually possess. It is like reading about your local team in the USA Today rather than NY Newsday. (I’d say NY Daily News but Isola is probably a worse hack than the Yahoo! yahoos)

What rose colored glasses? I hear Knicks fans optimistically talking about the season. I didn’t hear any championship talk. Why as a fan is it koolaid or magoo lovin if you think this team has a better chance than the last few years? You have got to be a Mets fan, scared to even think about something good happening. If you stay negative and things don’t work out you can say ‘see, I told you,’ if they do work out then you get a free ride. Nice n easy.

It’s amazing these guys get paid to write this crud.

David Lee, Chandler, TD, Frye, Ariza, Gallo, Nate Robinson all recent Knick draft picks that are still in the league and are producing…

He really is and Lawrence is a joke…

Plus no mention of Mozgov coming off a nice FIBA…

Yeah this guy is a hack, and a poor excuse for one. I’ve seen sh*t on toilet paper that’s better executed…

Your exagerrating saying he has absolutely no trade value, and Randolph was playing with Don Nelson who everyone knows is kooky.

Westbrook is playing with Durant. Gallo had a good year in what was basically his first true year and he was playing with people like Al Harrington and Larry Hughes, and Chris Duhon as his point. Yeah okay…

BIG PLUS ONE

The bulls rumor might be total BS. They were saying yesterday Noah was supposed to be getting dealt but they are working to extend Noah…

“Failure”– The team’s objective was to unload contracts, get under the cap, add 2 max players for 2010-2011 and get home playoff games as a top 4 east team. Go deep into the playoffs, hopefully an East Conf. final. That will not happen, LBJ prevented that by taking 3 ‘max’ players to Miami. So the objective of getting under the cap “failed” for the 2010-2011 season. True, but it was the right plan and excepting 2 poor draft choices, well executed. Plan B time. Let Curry’s contract continue to expire, see what the Knicks have and which young NBA stars become available during the 2010-2011 season in a trade for the expiring contract, and a good young player (Gallo/Chandler). Not the best, but miles better than the Isiah/Dolan circus and Layden idiocy.

Sadler my bad it was sarcasm, but as you said below some fans have lost so long they are willing to wait until whenever this team reaches its potential as a at best 6th seed in the next couple of years. Unless Gallo turns into Dirk and Randolph becomes the Iceman George Gervin then we are what we are. So yes the truth hurts.

Snadler,

Spot on.

A bit off topic, it looks like Landry Fields got a two year guaranteed contract. Hoopsworld lists him with two years. Mozgov also has two years as well.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9155

Uh, Jennings was also really inconsistent this year. Young guys in general are always inconsistent with a few exceptions.

I hope these fans who have high hopes for players on our current roster come right back here on the Knicksblog when things don’t go well and the outlook ain’t as good as one thinks. Our 1st 15 games is gonna be very tough and at the same time find team chemistry. So if fans believe Gallo and Randolph will be perrenial AllStars let’s stop talking about trades for Melo, CP3 and Deron. We have the AllStars already on our team let’s just wait till they become one. Smh

“Magoo’s plan was a failure because it was expressly built around landing LBJ! ”

It was not expressly built around landing LBJ.

It was about having as much cap space as possible and using it to build the best team they could.

They went after LBJ first, and he didnt come. So they moved on to the next in line.

You cant always get what you want. That doesnt make you a failure.

ugh.

parker and Yao?

really?

Shoot me if we get those guys.

I see you’re in your pessimist form BrooklynsFinest1 and at the same time I understand what you are saying. Yes, those 1st 15 games are going to be tough, the chemistry will be there. As far as the Gallo and Randolph names being discussed in trades, I don’t like the idea of trades, sorry thats me. How are we going trade for players if no team wants our players?

1) This offseason was a fail. When you trade Jordan Hill and 2 1st rounders just to get rid of Jared Jeffries and you DONT land the premier free agent… it is a fail. For all we know Jordan Hill is a raw version of Chris Bosh. Similar body build, similar college stats, similar playing style… the only thing they don’t share is that Bosh was given a starting position right off the bat and Hill played trash minutes. In any event Hill would have been a very valuable trade piece this year…
2) Enough with these Yahoo articles. We get it, their bloggers don’t like the Knicks. Their bloggers don’t like most NY teams for that matter.
3) Enough with the “In Jordan’s shadow” talk. It was only valid for Lebron because he is considered the best player in the NBA. It’s just not a legitimate reason to discount the Bulls whenever they want a superstar. If Carmelo wants to go there i doubt he’ll care that Jordan played there 15 years ago. He wants to go there because the team they have now is almost championship ready… and like most athletes he would like to win a championship.
4) I see the Knicks making the playoffs this year. Amare and Felton will add some much needed veteran leadership that was not present at all last year. I think Gallo and Chandler will only get better, and Mozgov, Walker, Turiaf, and Randolph will be great off the bench. If the Hornets are a disapointment this year look for the Knicks to swing some sort of deal for Chris Paul… likely Felton, Randolph/Gallo, Douglas, etc. After that landing Melo will be a lock.

How do your 1st and 4th point reconcile with each other? How is this offseason a fail if we make the playoffs, something we haven’t done in a darn long time lol.

What happens if we make the playoffs this year, become a 4th seed or higher next year, Jordan Hill doesn’t develop into Chris Bosh(lol) and Yao comes back unhealthy and the Rockets don’t compete? Is this offseason still a fail?

“If you stay negative and things don’t work out you can say ‘see, I told you,’ if they do work out then you get a free ride. Nice n easy.”

Man that’s the m.o. of a lot of people here. Well said.

AR and AZ > Hill…theres two draft picks for the price of one.

I still dont know how getting rid of Crawford and Z-Bow and Marbury was a fail…and who were we going to sign and/or trade for during 2008-2010…and enough with the D Lee is a middle class man’s STAT…STAT is a perenial all star with play off experience PLUS has a BILLBOARD and COMMERCIALS…when was the last time a Knick was that exposed…you go the play grounds these days and the kids dont give a crap about the Knicks…maybe they will now

The knicks would have likely made the playoffs 2 years ago before they started selling off their players to make a run for lebron… not the class of 2010 free agents, just lebron.

as i said even if hill doesn’t develop into a similar player to chris bosh he would have been a valuable trade piece. we all know it takes a little longer for big men to develop in this league and hill’s value would have still been high enough to be an asset for a team.

so essentially the knicks gave up a very realistic opportunity to make the playoffs 2 years ago JUST so they could have enough cap space for lebron. they didn’t sign him did they? so this is a fail.

Look there is nothing wrong with being optimistic but blind optimism is never good. Its a new year and a fresh start yes but when the games begin heart, hustle, athleticism and talent always wins. Instead of going off of hopes of improvement from our players let’s go by what their short history shows us. Matchups don’t favor us in the majority of the games and we are not great defensively. So where are the wins coming from. Trust this if Mike Dantoni has a chance to win and someone other than Gallo and Randolph is having the hot hand they will sit. Mike wants to win but I’m sure most Knick fans disapprove.

“There was not A plan, there were several plans.”

LMAO

Really?

I think the deadline trade was an “all-in” on LeBron plan. Period. That failed. There is no way around it, but Walsh somewhat salvaged it with a potentially good trade with _avi_.

In hindsight maybe he passes on Amar’e in light of the fact that he doesn’t guarantee the playoffs, but if another move is made hopefully they’ll be able to take advantage of his “golden years” because at his age I would think it is more of a “win now” situation than a youth movement.

“If we make the playoffs this year, given how much financial flexibility and how young we are, you’d have to admit things are going pretty well, even though we gambled on lebron and lost.”

A first round sweep wasn’t worth tanking the last 2 years and throwing away potentially 3 draft picks, I’m sorry.

“It was not expressly built around landing LBJ.”

Drafting Rautins was “expressly built around landing LBJ” and to a slightly lesser extent signing Amar’e was as well.

Why is the plan all Lebron or all bust? How about we failed to get Lebron, but overall we had a pretty decent summer?
I’ve never understood this Lebron or bust mentality.

I’d much rather have our current team than the team we would have had if we just stood pat. If I remember correctly, that team had 29 wins the year before with both Randolph and Crawford on it so I wouldn’t hold my breath about a playoff spot with that roster.

They’re too embarrassed to list the particulars of Andy Rautins’ contract I guess.

For me it was the last trade, could they Knicks have held onto Crawford and Z-Bo and made the playoffs in order to trade them when they had more value, yes. Could they have handled the Marbury situation better in order to get something for him in a trade, of course. However, I understood the concept of blowing the team up and was all for it, but holding onto Lee and Nate for so long (hopefully Randolph works out) could have cost the team Tyreke Evans, Steph Curry etc., trading Hill and what could still end up being 2 1st round draft picks for the chance to talk to your highness was a fail.

Those same assets could have gotten the Knicks Carmelo or Paul down the line rather than just “cap space” trading players/assets for “cap space” is what I had the issue with.

Be honest with yourself knicks fan. Would anyboby want to watch Marburry,Craw, Randolf or Jeffries play and loose yet another game in the garden? Aren’t we all relieved that they are all finally gone!

The simple fact that they are gone and that we have a young exiting team to root for makes this plan a success already! OK, we are going to need some Wins as well. But if we can get to .500 ball and make the playoffs i’m ready to call this plan a success considering our youth and flexibility.

I say we will do a lot better than that and might even win 50+.

I agree. I had a real problem with the Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries trade and how their minutes were allocated all year.

I too think it was a major mistake to hold on to Lee and Nate for as long as they did, but I guess it worked out really well with Lee and poorly with Nate.

Lee and Nate were both RFA’s last year and there didn’t seem to be any interest from other teams. Perhaps they were saving up for the summer of LeBron. Still getting Walker, Randolph, Turiaf, and Azubuike doesn’t seem all that bad.

The trade for Tracy McGrady is going to hurt. For what we gave up for McGrady (Hill, swap picks in 2011, and 1st rounder in 2012), we could have had the assets to get Melo.

Building a championship team isn’t easy. Cap space is not the answer, it just looks good on paper. You can’t translate it into talent as easily as it was presumed.

@HAS total fiction on that team making the playoffs…29 wins the year before…a 6-3 record when traded…i think the real implosion for that 08-09 team occured during the ill termed, unfortunate Dream Week…we were never the same after that

“@HAS total fiction on that team making the playoffs…29 wins the year before…a 6-3 record when traded”

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I didn’t say it was definite, but 6-3 wasn’t a bad start. No one knows for sure if that team makes the playoffs, but people here thought last year’s team would be .500 and make the playoffs so what do I know.

Lol ds2488 who would you have rather had last year out of the 2? Then ask yourself why and there will be the truth. Jennings has a real position is a true PG who made his team better & lead them to the playoffs while Gallo showed talent but did not really have an impact on the team.

@Has…

i dont doubt you know alot about the sport…i just cant understand some of the nostaglia for a bad team assembled by isiah…i dont mean to lump you into that cateogory sorry if i did

I wish I could find the old post when this whole LBJ thing started! I as well as a few others said this is what would happen when it blew up in Magoo’s face! A bunch of excuses for why it was not a failure. People pretending that some how it was about flexibility rather then LBJ. It was about LBJ the min Magoo got here. Excuses for is poor drafting excuses,excuses,excuses.

Ask yourself would this team be better with Lopez/Gordon & Jennings? If you say no you are in denial…If it was about flexibility and cap space why not let all the so called bad contract expire after this year? We would of had all the money we would of needed to start fresh with a run at Hartford or Gasol and the year after D.Will! I am just saying the options would be there if it was about flexibility.

Lets just be honest for once while we have good cheap talent you cant say that was the plan all along.

I hope your joking bluemax, were you one of those fans that thought we would win 40+ games last year and make the playoffs? Trust me this young and exciting talent is only exciting to 50% of Knick fans and not to anyone outside of NY so what did we accomplish again? If we start losing games by the bunches watch how fast fans start booing and wanting someone to take the brunt of the losing. Will it be Gallo or Randolph who get ripped a new one because of all the hype they are getting from fans and media be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

I am calling everything that he said out of his mouth as his agenda a failure based on his own words as well as the well known fact he was trying to build a thrown for a so called king he failed to bag. This was not the year of Amare and to refute that would be silly. The GS trade i commend after all I called for it months in advance so to poo poo it would be hypocritical of me. His drafting has been a HUGE disaster!! MD the god coach lol top players love him so much that not one of them came to play for him!! lmaoo not LBJ not Wade Not Bosh not Grant Hill not “Steve Nash”!! lol come on guys!

I want a better season myself but you seem to enjoy putting your own spin on my very clear and fact based post. We will be in the race for top for in the east? really? Gallo is a star? really? Felton will be a stud? really?

I called for that GS trade months before it happened so of course I was happy with it but there is wanting your team to do well and then sounding like a groupie who can see whats right in front of there face.

Like I said before “Be honest with yourselves guys, let this starter team get off the ground first before you start making them hall of famers”

Just because other refuse to live in never never land with you does not make them negative in fact the logical Knick fan is working with a tempered optimism and not living on kool aid and magical Magoo fairy dust!

No. Not the plan all along. You are right. If failure of getting Lebron is a failure, then why are we singled out to be the only team that failed? Lebron’s “decision” created a situation in which MANY teams that were hoping to get him failed. Yet the Knicks are singled out , even though we had the best FA season behind the Heat. Or can you tell me about a magical team that did better than the Knicks in the offseason(excludng the obvious ones that pretty much re-signed the players that they had. All due respect to various opinions but we “failed” in getting Lebron but so did many other teams.I don’t like the fact that we are singled out for that so called “failure”. We rolled the dice but at least we were at the table.

The Knicks are singled out because we were the only team that tanked for two years, made several trades that didn’t improve the team and threw away multiple draft picks in order to get the amount of cap space that we did in an effort to “talk” to the King.

The Heat managed to dump even more salary in less time while Chicago also managed to dump a bunch of salary in order to be a major player in the free agent market, yet both of those teams were in the playoffs last year.

We deserve to be “singled out”.

“If we make the playoffs this year, given how much financial flexibility and how young we are, you’d have to admit things are going pretty well, even though we gambled on lebron and lost.”

Barely making the playoffs to win one game or get swept doesn’t erase the last 2 years of complete misery and making trades that didn’t improve the team along with blowing/throwing away multiple draft picks.