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Yahoo: Knicks Held Illegal Draft Workouts

by Tommy Dee on October 26th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

Via Yahoo:

Former Knicks president Isiah Thomas hired Rodney Heard from the Atlanta Hawks in 2006 and still enjoys a close relationship with him. Through a school spokesman, Thomas, now the coach at Florida International University, declined to speak to Yahoo! Sports on Monday.

Donnie Walsh, who succeeded Thomas as president of the Knicks, kept Heard and ultimately gave him a new contract. Walsh said he was unaware of Heard’s workouts under his watch in 2009 and ’10.

“I don’t know anything about this,” Walsh said. “I didn’t know any of our scouts worked out people like this. They know they’re not supposed to.”

By holding the workouts, Heard could gain valuable information on young prospects who may have had small samples of work on the college level. Teams can scout college games, practices and sanctioned predraft evaluation camps. Prior to 2009, team officials weren’t allowed to conduct or attend workouts before the annual predraft camp…By holding the workouts, Heard could gain valuable information on young prospects who may have had small samples of work on the college level. Teams can scout college games, practices and sanctioned predraft evaluation camps. Prior to 2009, team officials weren’t allowed to conduct or attend workouts before the annual predraft camp.

The NBA altered that rule in 2009, allowing teams to run limited workouts with draft-eligible players prior to the combine. The league office reiterated in a April 6, 2010 memo: “Teams are prohibited from conducting more than two team visits per draft-eligible player prior to the draft. A ‘team visit’ includes any contact between a team representative and a draft-eligible player that is arranged for the purpose of recruiting or working out the draft-eligible player, including for the purpose of having the player tested, interviewed or otherwise evaluated by a team representative.”

Walsh said he’s never sanctioned a formal workout with a player outside of the Knicks practice facility, and if he did, the workout would’ve included several members of the organization.

I believe the idea that a team gains some sort of advantage by holding these workouts is a bit of a stretch. I talked to some Big East coaches about Wilson Chandler well before he was a Knick and all felt he’d be a good, solid pro. DePaul isn’t Dubai. Scouts like Heard are always looking for diamonds in the rough, and borderline NBA players who can have an impact. The idea that allegedly a lottery pick got hurt is the story.

Meaning, why Brandon Rush would be working out for the Knicks is what’s strange seeing that he was a consensus lottery pick and the Knicks didn’t have any lottery selections, nor the assets to move into the lottery in 2007.  But, obviously, the biggest nightmare scenario is holding private workouts and having a multi-million dollar prospect get seriously injured. His injury IS the bigger story here. If he didn’t get injured, I’d wonder if this is an issue considering it’s hard to believe that workouts like this don’t happen elsewhere.

Be that as it may, it would seem the fines for such a violation are monetary, and has nothing to do with surrendering picks, so I can’t say that I think this is a huge deal, unless the NBA truly wants to make an example out of the Knicks then they will hit them where it hurts the most…via actual draft picks. What’s more puzzling is that Donnie Walsh again doesn’t seem to be in sync with scouts, and at the same time holding illegal workouts could further tarnish Isiah Thomas’ legacy as a draft guru.

  • Jayo

    Isiah was a fraud ? Who knew….

    So why didn’t we draft Rondo lol..

  • HaS

    Did they workout Jordan Hill?

    Brandon Jennings?

  • jay from the fix

    Dont know if anyone heard but from posting and toasting: ARandolph out for Knix opener w. spr. L ankle, same that sidelined him final 3 mos. last season. Mozgov questionable w. L hip contusion.

  • Richporter

    Im telling u..ppl just hate the knicks..they never wana see us do good

  • MrDbo

    Another Non-Story…start the season already…

  • BiggieSmalls

    spare us the Isiah / Wojo bashing.

  • BiggieSmalls

    LMAO.

  • traps9

    What an embarrassing franchise. Doesn’t say much good about me, being a fan and all lol

  • BiggieSmalls

    Isola reported that 3 hours ago/.

  • traps9

    Yay. Let’s hope turning down that offer from Indiana doesn’t come back to bite us in the butt.

  • Melo2NYplz

    so it was the illegal advanced scouting that discovered the diamond in the rough by the name of Earl Barron

  • BiggieSmalls

    when was Rush a concensus Lottery pick?

    from draftexpress March 2007

    Rush is one of the most talented swingmen in this upcoming draft class should he decide to come out, but he could very well fall to the end of the first round if decision-makers buy into the notion that he won’t ever be more than a complementary player.

  • italian stallion

    Yea, that Jordan Hill pick is looking more and more like a bust. I’m very patient with young players, but he still doesn’t look like he’ll ever be a starter in this league and he’s not young like Randolph.

  • BK_Grande

    Let’s get this seasons started already…. I cleared my schedule for tomorrow night and I’m ready to go.

    Hope springs eternal!

  • NoVaCaInE

    “holding illegal workouts could further tarnish Isiah Thomas’ legacy as a draft guru.”

    Typical Tommy Dee. Just couldn’t hold back on landing another shot on Isiah. So lame. If you think the Knicks are the only organization to do so then idk what to tell you…

  • Tommy Dee

    was the top prospect out of the big 12 that year in a very weak draft and after an awesome NCAA tournament. Knicks never had a shot at him in 2007…

  • Richporter

    Randolph is on crutches and cant put weight on his ankle.NOT GOOD!!!

  • BigTyme

    Don’t see how this could tarnish his draft guru status, although I’m sure their will those whose gonna tell me; but don’t you have to recognize the talent to work with? Correct me, as I know you guys will if I missed something….

  • Tommy Dee

    If you think the Knicks are the only organization to do so then idk what to tell you…

    actually i don’t.

    If he didn’t get injured, I’d wonder if this is an issue considering it’s hard to believe that workouts like this don’t happen elsewhere.

  • BiggieSmalls

    i remember him getting a lot of look after the tourney but i also remember him on out list of hopefuls in that draft.

    no really that important. ill give it to ya.

  • Richporter

    Out for about 2 months

  • grahambo86

    I’m shocked. A sports franchise doing something it wasn’t supposed to do! (Sarcasm)

    Yawn. Moving on.

  • Mal

    Where you been Tommy? Anyway on another note how do you guys feel about missing Bayless? I like that kid ever since I saw him in Vegas Summer League as a rook

  • hoskett

    ..if AR is out for a long stretch…he could rehab with Curry and learn the secrets of weight gain.

  • Tommy Dee

    been away on business…limited access. back tomorrow.

  • Brookdon

    LOL If you put Randolph with Curry too long however, he would gain too much wait!

  • http://facebook.com/willhanza Will H

    In a perfect world the outcome from this would be:

    Strip Jimmy Dolan of his ownership!

    and… also never allow Isaiah near the Knicks again.

  • BigTyme

    OFF TOPIC: YOU GUYS INTERESTED IN HAVING A TKB YAHOO FANTASY LEAGUE; WE WOULD USE OUR SCREEN NAMES AS OUR TEAM NAMES SO WE KNOW WHOSE A$$ TO RIP…..IT COULD BE BROKEN DOWN INTO DIVISIONS/CONFERENCES, (if doable) DEPENDING ON HOW MANY TEAMS WE GET. WE CAN VOTE IN A COMMISSIONER….I WOULD START BY NOMINATING JAY FROM DA FIX, BIGGIE SMALLS AND HaS….THOUGHTS? OR AS A DISABLED USMC VET, DO I HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON MY HANDS? LOL

  • HaS

    Tommy’s in Boston for the Miami game.

    It might be his last chance to see some real basketball until the playoffs lol.

    Just kidding.

  • HaS

    Commissioner?

    I wanna be Craig Sager!

  • BigTyme

    Sorry HaS, that’s my gig! Imma cross between Sager and Clyde! Lol

  • HaS

    I think Hill will be fine, he’s not going to be a star.

    I think he’ll be solid though, he’s going to be a late bloomer.

  • JeffM729

    Rush was still a lottery pick even after his injury. He went 13th in the 2008 draft,

  • knicks-yankees axis18

    wojo must have a serious hard on right now….lol

  • HaS

    ARGH!

    My eyes!

  • TheSandman

    Not that big a deal? WTF are you talking about, Tommy? Openly flaunting NBA rules, seemingly behind your bosses back, is not that big of a deal? Who are you to decide how much of an advantage this did or did not give the Knicks? The rules are there for a reason, and if this is true it is a very big deal, and punishment should be severe to set an example to the rest of the league.

    More BS for long suffering fans from this joke of an owner and the culture of lawlessness he created and lords over. Incredibly disappointing post, TD.

  • yuhdunknow2g

    he CANT put weight on it, or the trainers are telling him NOT to put weight on it? it might just be a precaution so he recovers quicker

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