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More on the Pick and Roll

by Tommy Dee on November 13th, 2010 at 11:34 am

Here, Landry Fields, who is taller than Raymond Felton, starts the action at foul line extended. He the uses a good angle screen from Amar’e then draws Elton Brand. He doesn’t get to the foul line, but because he has height and the stared at foul line extended he has the angle to attack STAT’s man.  With Gallo in the corner, one can assume he made a three from there because Thaddeus Young treats him as a kick-out threat, Fields does a great job of drawing Brand and finding STAT.

There are 3 options on the play obviously based on the defense reacting. The Knicks get nothing down the stretch because defenses close on STAT and the team takes early possession 3s because they are open.

But again, the biggest problem is defense. I actually liked what they were doing and were on the right track in terms of Mozgov at the 5 and Turiaf off the bench making sure one of them is along side STAT. Neither shoots it well enough for STAT to get the space he needs to create however.

My suggestion would be to adjust and get out and run SSOL in the 1st and 3rd quarters and hope for some transition points from the defensive unit by pressing in the 2nd quarter and end of games. Slow the clock down, work the ball through a post player who can play back to the basket. I would think Wilson Chandler‘s quickness could be a positive in the post.

And what happend to Gallo’s new “post moves?” They need back to the basket action in addition to the pick and roll.

For more on the PnR, head to poastingandtoasting where Seth breaks it down something fierce.

3. Make use of the hand-off
The Knicks have run this infrequently, and not once with Stoudemire as the passer, but Raymond Felton has been effective in limited attempts following dribble hand-offs. He’s made 8 of 11 attempts preceded by hand-offs, mostly coming from the supple, generous hands of Timofey Mozgov. Why not run this with Stoudemire instead? A nice shoulder-to-shoulder hand-off with no room for Felton’s man to squeeze through should give Felton an extra step to operate. If Amar’e's man doesn’t rotate, he can pop the jumper or accelerate toward the rim. If Felton’s man is hung up and Amar’e's has to help, then Stoudemire should have an opportunity to roll to the rim. In effect, a well-executed hand-off is just like a solid pick.
  • HaS

    I thought the “back to the basket game” was dead?

    Stretch 4′s and 5′s are the wave to the future.

    I asked why they weren’t posting up Gallinari back in preseason, but again I was told those games don’t matter.

    16 to go.

    Amar’e needs to develop a back to the basket move or ten, once his athleticism begins to fade he will be useless.

    When the ball isn’t in his hands he is very lazy, he doesn’t fight for position on defense (rebounding) or offense (rebounds or in the post).

  • itzyung1

    “I asked why they weren’t posting up Gallinari back in preseason, but again I was told those games don’t matter.”

    Dont twist words you and a bunch of other people were whining about not winning the games and everyone said those games dont matter.
    As far as Gallo posting up, e cant thats not his game just because a guy is taller than another person doesnt mean O just post up. Its more than that, you have to know what to do Posting Up Is A Skill.
    Im not done with Mike, I still believe we can pull a playoff spot off. The bad shots at bad times couple with Ronny Gone is to blame for these losses. I know for a Fact Kevin Love would not of gotten 30 and 30 if Ronny was here.

  • traps9

    Don’t twist words: everyone defending Gallo when he shot 35% from the field in the preseason said that the games don’t matter.

  • Jefty Widmark

    itzyung1—When you wake up from your dream, let us know.

  • itzyung1

    That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. We are talking about Gallo and him posting up.

    @Jefty Widmark – So its just a coincidence that when our best paint defender leaves we get abused in the paint? Oh Okay when you decide to think let me know.

  • TRUTH TELLER

    I don’t understand how a NBA veteran PG does not have the ability to run a pick and role….the oldest play in the nba….that’s crazy to Me that does not add up…felton really does seem to be in sink with moz but why not amare…..I don’t get it…..how do you play at North Carolina under Roy Williams(yea I think dean was gone) and not have the ability to run the pick and roll….how many years did he play there…..there’s no way he was a 1 and done….I hate to give this dude props but now we see why larry brown was so hard on him as well as other pg’z…….this is why he had to pull the reins in on him because he is so erratic and out of control a lot….(much better offensive player then I expected though).

  • TRUTH TELLER

    roll’

  • starksoakmase

    I agree that its not time to give up on Mike yet, but he has to make adjustments.

    I actually think posting up Gallo would be a good idea. He is really good at drawing fouls and it would keep him away from the 3 pt line. He obviously should be shooting 3′s, but not 11.

    The time has not yet come to replace Mike, but I don’t even want to wait till the all-star break if they continue to look this inept.

    i think bringing in Sam mitchell would be a good mid-season move. he has won coach of the year and is a fiery guy. but, again, I’m not ready to give up on Mike yet.

  • itzyung1

    Seriously! I just think he makes bad decisions in the PnR with Amar’e. He drives and shoots on easy scoring opportunities for Amar’e and gives Amar’e the ball to far away from the basket.

  • starksoakmase

    I think part of it is Amare. he has somehow developed bricks for hands. He can’t catch anything. The spacing isn’t right. I don’t see many instances where Amare is open and Felton doesn’t get it to him. i thin the blame is on both of them.

  • itzyung1

    I still think Posting up is more of a learned thing and we cant just say Post Gallo up. I just dont believe Post Moves are in his arsenal.

  • HaS

    Gallinari worked on it this summer, as soon as he gets to camp it’s not even attempted more than once (maybe).

  • HaS

    Read above.

  • TEHRON

    yes SIR. thats why larry blew his STACK when he was here. fundamentals are MISSING. and he couldnt help but to say something about it.

    it may be the sign of the times but i hope not. thats why the phrase “high basketball IQ” isnt just thrown around. the only one on this team with that seems to be feilds.

    so they say.

    HE looks like he has potential.
    i dont go throwing around that word like MOST on the board (gallo, AR)cuz i dont look at people’s height and say they are going to be GREAT. i look at their actions and court attitude.

    i def see something in Feilds.

  • Jayo

    Let’s get this out the way once & for all, Gallo can NOT post anyone in the league up. It’s laughable when he tries, all he does is turn & fade away, he has zero post skills..

    But yea I’m that guy, so where’s all the anti Melo people who didn’t want to give up “the future” to get him. I mean I luv losing a 20 point lead to the Wolves just as much as the next guy, but …. Lol

    Fire the whole coaching staff… Seriously they are a group of idiots.

    Btw… I still think we will make the playoff, it’s in my blood, I have no choice, but obviously I would be open to some changes..

  • BiggieSmalls

    This isn’t the 90′s the post game is dead

    Today’s game is all 15 feet out and further

    Long live euro ball

    You creatans are living in yesterday

  • TRUTH TELLER

    “I mean I luv losing a 20 point lead to the Wolves just as much as the next guy, but …. Lol”

    ahahhaha….yo your a funny dude…..

  • TEHRON

    “it’s in my blood”
    hold on….im calling the hopsital to get you a TRANSFUSION.

    :)

  • TEHRON

    hospital

  • Jayo

    Lol

  • HaS

    He can’t catch a pass that isn’t thrown.

    Felton rarely, in fact almost never, makes the pass to the rolling player whether it be Mozgov, Amar’e or whoever.

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  • spaceacex

    Hey Tommy no offense but this posting should be sent to MD’s e
    Email not posted here. Someone has to give this guy a clue to teach his players lol

  • defense

    Tommy Dee you said the same thing last year and the year before that. Just put up a new satisfation poll. P.S. put on your life vest or go down with that garbage coach friend of yours. Man up and tell him how to get back to West Virginia!!!!!!! Fire Mike D’antoni!!!!!!!!

  • Mucha

    He’s made 1-2 bad catches this season (his fault) but Felton’s passes are either too low, too high… he’s really a bad passer.

  • Tommy Dee

    Has loves to twist things back to the basket old fashion centers not post games in general

  • HankNight

    The problem with having Chandler as a post player late in the game is that, if he is double teamed, he never passes out of it. Another problem that I’ve seen with our post play is that when a pass does come out, it is almost always to a player who hoists up a quick three. No one ever tries to come off the three point position and try for a better shot or a foul. Again, when we are not hitting the threes, we are screwed. Take a look at the good teams & you will see that none of them operate like that.

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