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The Idea is Laughable…

by Tommy Dee on December 21st, 2010 at 12:59 pm

That some fans think Donnie Walsh can’t “work backchannels” in order to come up with a trade with Denver. The question is not “can” it’s “how.”

Just out of curiosity, if the Knicks want to aggressively move towards trading for Carmelo, what’s the play?

Do people really believe the thing that’s holding this deal up is a mid-to-late first round pick from the Knicks end?

Yes, Walsh likes the team currently constructed, but he wants Melo more. What do suggest he do? Hold a gun to their head?

Trades are much easier to make in comments sections and on video games…as are the words “get it done.”

I’m curious as to what people think DENVER WOULD AGREE TO from a trade standpoint.

Fire away.
  • elik

    simple fields chandler gallo and curry or trade one of the three for 2 first rounders and ship them

  • chito31

    Cmon Walsh… Get er done, lol.

    This has been going on since July. I’m positive every scenario has been entertained. Fans really think it’s up to NYK. Silly…

  • elik

    spike lee and other celebs have to get in melo’s ear

  • chito31

    And what do you do when Denver says no to that. You do know none of those players have long term contracts.

  • chito31

    They already are… Ask Fat Joe. Lol.

  • bigblue973

    Melo has to and should be aware that the nuggets are making a point of trying to lowball us and himself. I think the knicks can and will put a fair and decent trade proposal together but the nuggets want to a holes about it, you know what as im typing this I realize that if melo wants to come here that bad he wont cave in for the extension and wait until the summer, point blank! and if he is about the money then oh well we move on. I am sick of this year after year, i cant fault donnie for holding off on other moves until this gets resolved one way or the other. But at the same time I hope he doesnt miss out on moves to make us a better team and we dont get melo in the end im going to be pissed. Dont make the same mistake on banking that a player will come its to much to risk

  • BigTyme

    Tommy Dee is on Fire!!!! I ain’t messin w/u today, son!

  • chito31

    That’s the problem. We’re waiting for this to play itself out. Can’t blame NY. They have little control.

  • danny78

    randolph traded for 1st rounder to be sent; chandler, fields, gallo curry expiring;

    seems to me that’s a great trade for Denver; Chandler and Gallo are young players with genuine upside, Curry’s contract gives them real cash, Fields is one of the 5 best rookies in the league this year, and they’ll get there pick…..

    seems to me if Denver doesn’t do this deal, they simply don’t wnat to trade Melo to the team he wants to go to, to stick it to him..

  • Mucha

    If we fail to acquire Carmelo Anthony because we don’t have enough trade assets, then Donnie Walsh’s contract shouldn’t be extended – he threw away 2 seasons to sign two max free agents and build a championship caliber team. Carmelo Anthony’s our only hope regarding HIS plan. There are no excuses whatsoever if the Knicks don’t find a way to land Carmelo Anthony.

  • moderatethis

    Denver is being stubborn we’ll see what happens.

  • Knicks4life

    Yup. Exactly.

  • Jefty Widmark

    Honestly? Nothing the Knicks have. It’s gonna have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.

    Gallo, Chandler, and Douglas–all over-rated.

  • moderatethis

    Gallo yea Chandler Douglas nah

  • BrooklynsFinest1

    Its not about who we can give or should give to Denver. Its if they want to trade Melo to us or they are not that excited about what we have player wise. I believe any GM worth their salt would be asking other teams about what they can do to get Denver the players they want in a 3 or 4 team deal. My point is and I would guess is some other fans is why we don’t hear any rumors of the Knicks are close to getting Melo which leads to if the Knicks are doing anything at all.

  • JBNY24

    Agreed

  • Tommy Dee

    doesn’t come close to answering the question Mucha…happy holidays btw.

  • bigblue973

    traditonally i thought a player in the last year of his deal that wanted to be traded would have all the leverage in the world hmmmm. I mean really how can denver give teams and us there azz to kiss for somebody that can walk in 7 months? the nerve of them. If melo had 2 plus years on his deal then yea you have to bring a very sweet offer to the table but for somebody in the last year of his deal this is not playing out how i thought it would

  • Namifi

    Who cares what Denver agrees to! Just let’em keep waiting, like they are in the drivers seat, it only serves us better to wait. We are not winning a championship this year, so wait! Soon they will have little choice but to take what they can get for him, we don’t need to act desperate, just wait!

  • nastytoast

    we can trade them amare, ray felton and mike dantoni’s mustache for aaron affalo, carmelo and nene’s dreadlocks

  • TobyKnight

    Who is left?

  • Knicks4life

    Tommy you know I respect your opinion. You do a great job with the blog and are one of the more dedicated Knick fans out there.

    Now with that out of the way this post is misleading. Before the T-Mac trade we had MORE THAN enough assets to acquire Melo. So now that Walsh foolishly makes that trade we are now to come up with trade proposals based on our depleted roster? That is completely unfair.

    Even with that, I would offer (as a final offer) Gallo, Chandler, a #1 pick (acquired from an AR trade), two second round picks and Curry. I would be willing to swap Fields for either Gallo or Chandler if that makes the deal work. If they don’t want that trade then call it a day and start making trades to improve the team right now.

    Walsh did a good job salvaging what could have been a disasterous summer after we missed out on LBJ and Wade. Amare and Felton (especially with his contract) were good signings and Fields has ended up being a very good draft pick as well.

    Now we have to take the leap from mediocre to elite. Is Walsh, with his limitless patience the man to take us there? Guess time will tell.

  • Knicks4life

    Will we still be waiting when Melo is playing in a NJ or Chicago uniform?

  • rb3b3

    after reading multiple reports on this situation, im just getting the feeling that denver does not want to deal with ny.The denver ownership does not want to give in to melos request to be traded here.they have the whole world watching them and what they do with melo.whats the most frustrating to me in this whole thing, is that if melo really wants to be a knick, all he has to do is wait another 7 months and then he will be in a knick uniform.Its really as simple as that.i also feel that melo does not want to leave any money on the table at all!!! he wants to sign that extension but just not with denver.i mean if its first round picks that denver wants, then why cant we trade gallo fields and ar for first round picks and throw in currys exp contract?can we not get 1st round picks for those 3 guys? i have to believe if we can get one for ar, then we should certainly be able to get one for those guys i mentioned? after all the hoopla i honestly feel that melo will sign an extension and be traded, but it will not be to the knicks or nets, it will be to a team that we have not even heard about involved in the melo talks.I will say that if melo does not land with us, i will be very very upset. i mean after all if its not about the money(which i know deep down it is about the money) then is waiting 7 months that big of deal to play where your heart wants to play? If im melo i take a lil less money and play where my heart wants me to!!! what do you guys think?

  • elik

    LET MELO TELL DENVER HES ONLY SIGNING A DEAL WITH KNICKS

  • MrDbo

    How is D. Favors not overrated? He has done, shown, proven nothing. Troy Murphy is a salary throw in. So they get a grab bag of decent draft picks for Melo. It may be the knick goggles, but I would rather have Gallo, Chandler, AR, and or Fields and Favors + future picks (which won’t be that high if Melo improves the Nets).

  • chito31

    But why would Denver want three wing players who don’t even have long term contracts?

  • Amare4MvP

    Tommy,
    Gallo, landry, eddie curry, and a first round pick to start. (via anthony randolph), and a second round pick.
    2. Gallo, landry, azabukie (they get money back) and curry and 2 first round picks. the one they acquire for randolph and the 2014
    3. the same trade except you give them 2 second round picks.
    4. acquire verajao and swing him to denver somehow.

  • Jeff C

    fair enough mucha, but everyone’s plan is to ‘get 2 superstars.’ Sometimes, you just can’t get that done, no matter what. And since we were a 20 win team before walsh came in, it’s kind of hard to argue the “threw away 2 seasons’ perspective.)

    If you zoom out and look at the big picture, we went from being the largest payroll in the NBA, on a 20-something-win team, to (likely, hopefully) a 40-something-win team. And one of the youngest squads in the NBA, at.

    So as devastating as it would be to not have a championship team (un unfair bar that only new yorkers hold their teams to), i would say that donnie has still ‘righted the ship’ so to speak, and put us in a great position moving forward.

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  • TobyKnight

    Tommy – The question I wrestle with is for the assets we would be willing to give up, who else can we get?

    Melo seemed a special situation when he was only willing to sign an extension with the Knicks, because it meant we had leverage. If he is willing to sign with the Nets I don’t see what we, DW or anyone else can do about it.
    People here can bitch and whine all they want about it, but it is what it is. I don’t fault DW.
    I’m really curious to see what we end up doing if/when Melo signs with the Nets. What center can we get? Who will be our backup PG? Who is going to back Amare up at the 4? Wilson Chandler?
    While I would love to have Melo on the team, I’ve always had concerns about the fit in the system. To me it’s not the end of the world if we don’t get him, as long as we can get some other key pieces.

    I wonder if Gallo will play better once the Melo rumors die. Chandler is in a contract year, so we know he’ll be full on all season, but Gallo has not stepped it up. I wonder if he does so once he is confident he is not going anywhere.

  • Knicks4life

    Nobody knows what the CBA will look like this summer. There is a significant risk by Carmelo that the max salary will be reduced AND he won’t get as many years on the deal.

    I can’t really blame him for wanting to sign the extension before the end of the season.

  • Jayo

    Tommy, it’s easy to say F the players minutes one week and then next week say we must extend the rotation because our players are tired.. You are very good at what you do but you seem to be upset because fans want moves to be made. News flash that’s what fans do. You flip flop we flip flop, we make demands, you make excuses, it’s just how it is. Don’t get mad just keep doing what you do.

    I saw a nice trade proposal on here a couple days ago, I will repost after I find it..

  • thebossandbenji76

    Sounds like Knicks are not getting Melo, sounds like he is going to Nets(favors, Murphy and 2 1st rounders) or to Orlando(Jason Richardson and Earl Clark) so move onto plan B, Wilson Chandler and Roger Mason for Oj Mayo? Tyson Chandler as a FA come off-season?

  • ds2488

    Well, it depends doesn’t it on whether Jordan Hill and 1 draft pick(as of the moment, could be 2 but Houston seems like a pretty poor team so I figure if we finish with a worse record than them we have a lot more to worry about anyway lol).

    Anyway, what I was saying is it depends on whether Hill and that 1 draft pick are the difference between acquiring Melo or not. Because if it is, then i agree with you. If it’s not, then it wouldn’t matter anyway because we weren’t getting Melo regardless.

  • tsertain

    In the nicest way possible, shut your trap Tommy Dee.

    It’s easier to make trades when you’re playing video games or talking on blogs…

    OR

    when you have former players serving as the GM of other teams……the Timberwolves.

    This is New York, pal. Aint nobody gonna hand us nothin’ without trying to take away our best.

    And if that means a bright young future like Landry Fields, then they can go FIRETRUCK themselves.

    Here’s the thing Tommy Dee, the Nuggets have NO LEVERAGE. NONE. They will lose him after this year, they will not win anything this year, and the only team that Melo will sign an extension with is the Knicks. All the Nuggest have to do is pretend that we are the Boston Knicks and gift us Melo for a future 1st round pick and be done with it.

  • NY is not 4 the WEAK

    Seems like a pretty easy solution to me – Just have someone (ex knick, Spike Lee etc.) find out Carmelo’s true intentions. It only benefits Carmelo to let the Knicks know if they are is only destination, that way they don’t give up too much for something that is a given. I know, I know, tampering….well we say how much trouble that got the Heat into, none. I’m sure Stern wants this move to occur, and wouldn’t push the tampering issue too far.

    Regardless it’s pretty obv how this will play out. Nuggets will wait to the deadline to let rumors swirl and potential offers pile up from other teams so that they can squeeze everything they can out of the Knicks.

  • Jayo

    Btw… PEOPLE enough with the T-Mac trade. Whether you liked it or not, you knew the plan, get the F over it.. It’s kind of sad how guys still bring that up.

  • Knicks4life

    ” to Orlando(Jason Richardson and Earl Clark)”

    That would be a terrible trade for Denver. Not to mention the window is rapidly closing on when J Rich can be traded. I think it is within seven days or something like that.

  • TobyKnight

    ????????

  • Knicks4life

    “Just have someone (ex knick, Spike Lee etc.) find out Carmelo’s true intentions.”

    I may not work for the NBA but that sure sounds like tampering to me.

  • ds2488

    That’s what I was wondering in response to Mucha. Is Jordan Hill and one mid round draft pick the difference between getting Melo?

    I don’t know, I think it’s tough to say either way considering that Jordan Hill just looks like a raw player that barely contributes for a bad team anyway.

  • TobyKnight

    +100000000000000000000000000000

  • Knicks4life

    “PEOPLE enough with the T-Mac trade. Whether you liked it or not, you knew the plan, get the F over it.. It’s kind of sad how guys still bring that up.”

    Yes it is sad. Just not for the reasons you think.

  • Amare4MvP

    your a fool… you have to face reality with great talent might come some sacrifices. This is a trade you mortgage the future for. ask boston how kg ended up despite al jefferson becoming a stud. gallo will never reach that height. Also how did Minnesota end up with all those draft picks there one of the worse teams in the nba maybe denver wants young proven commodities along with a pair of draft picks. Many first rounders dont even turn out to be good anyway.

  • Knicks4life

    If we don’t make that T-Mac trade, we could have pulled a Memphis and offered our 2012 pick, 2014 pick, our lottery pick from that year (Hill) and one of Gallo, Chandler or Fields (assuming we had still drafted him).

    That is on par, if not better, than what Memphis got for Paul Gasol and what NJ could offer Denver right now.

  • Brookdon (Official Amare for MVP Campaign)

    Denver gets Gallinari, JJ Hickson, Songaila, Kapono, 2011 draft pick via Cleveland 2014 Pick via New York, Cleveland trade exception

    New York Gets Carmelo Anthony, Ryan Hollins

    Cleveland gets Andre Iguodala

    Philadelphia Gets Eddy Curry Anthony Randolph Wilson Chandler Knicks second round pick

    Nuggets get expiring contracts, young prospects and picks, and shed Nene contract.

    Knicks get star and center

    Philadelphia gets an upgrade to their small forward position and can rebuild with a lineup of Holiday Turner Chandler Randolph Hawes

    Cle trades their prospect and a pick for Iguodala and tells their fans that they have Lebron again.

  • Mucha

    Happy holidays to you too boss – I hope you’re doing fine.

    I know I didn’t answer your question – but Donnie Walsh shouldn’t be given a pass if the Knicks don’t have enough assets to make a deal with the Nuggets – because he’s responsible for building this team.

    The three-way trade – which would send Gallinari, a 1st round draft pick and a massive trade exception from Cleveland to Denver – Biggie suggested a couple days ago was brilliant in my opinion.

    And I would definitely trade Randolph for a 1st round draft pick (San Antonio?) + Curry, Gallinari, Douglas, the 2011 2nd round draft pick from GS and even Fields if the Knicks can get Afflalo or JR Smith in return. Don’t know whether or not this is enough.

  • jamjam

    Whether or not this report is accurate to what is actually happening, you would think that the Nuggets would want everyone to think that they were getting close to a deal with the nets to create a bidding war. Creating a sense of urgency by competing teams would put the ball back in their court.

    Would they not do some variation of a Fields, Gallo, Chandler, Curry for Melo? Or with a pick for Randolph or something of that nature. I have no clue, they could really dislike those players, but they’re smart for at least saying publicly that they don’t like those pieces.

  • thebossandbenji76

    If the new CBA involves rolling back salaries and and shortening the salary cap room of certain teams, then Melo won’t get the kind of money in an extension he can get now, so he is going to move before the deadline and that is a disadvantage for the Knicks. He wants his extension before anything else.

  • BASEline LANEdrive

    On the real, all this “we dont have any asset stuff is silly”. Without Melo, chandler would be denver’s leading scorer and Gallo would be 2nd. i think it’s absurd to think that sending 2 players that avg more ppg than anyone on their team (besides melo) is nothing to take lightly.

    And don’t throw stat inflation arguments at me, clowns.

    I understand they tryna get the best deal possible, but they turnin’ into rapinUrecords right now.

    Gallo, Chandler, Walker (or Douglas) & 1st Round pick (or AR) for Melo.

    If they want Fields, they should have to throw in afflalo, lawson, or sheldon williams.

    i think that’s way more than fair. it’s actually us giving up too much!

  • thebossandbenji76

    Why would the Sixers help the Knicks get Carmelo Anthony?

  • BASEline LANEdrive

    lol @ telling their fans they have lebron again…

  • BASEline LANEdrive

    my comment has several typos. i hope u guys understand what i’m trying to say.

  • ds2488

    true. Memphis is different though because they stunk also and were rebuilding regardless.

    Denver is a playoff team.

    Secondly, I’m not sure OUR draft picks have much value to a rebuilding team, especially as they are sending Melo to team up with Amare(I’m guessing we couldn’t afford Felton in this scenario). A Melo Amare tandem would never finish in the lottery.

  • tsertain

    al jefferson aint no stud. he’s a dud.

    all we need is for isiah thomas to take over the Nuggets’ GM job and we can get handed Melo for nothing, like the Celtics were handed Garnett for nothing…and not even their 5th overall pick, allowing them Ray Allen and an NBA title.

  • Jayo

    Dow JøNe$ DEC 15, 2010, 5:51 PM AT 5:51 PM #
    Well, from what I hear from Pacers side of things. The Pacers are willing to deal Brandon Rush & a 1st rd pick for Anthony Randolph. With that said & also hearing about the Grizzlies interest on T.Douglas, as well as their new desire to trade Thabeet, I bring this trade proposal into discussion:

    Memphis Grizzlies get: JR Smith, T. Douglas, & 2nd rd pick[NYK]

    Indiana Pacers get: Anthony Randolph & Azibuike [80% contract paid by NBA's insurance after not playing 1st 41 games which is likely]

    Denver Nuggets receives: Danilo Gallinari, Brandon Rush, Hasheem Thabeet, Eddy Curry, & Pacers 1st Rd pick

    NY Knicks receives: Carmelo Anthony & OJ Mayo

    This also allows us to re-sign Chandler & use our MLE on a true big to have Amar’e play the 4 more consistantly such as Tyson Chandler or Kendrick Perkins [even though I don't personally like the guy]. Point is, we could end up having a a tremendous line-up starting next season … example

    Raymond Felton
    OJ Mayo
    Carmelo Anthony
    Amar’e Stoudemire
    Tyson Chandler or filler

    with Fields, Chandler, Turiaf, & Mozzy off the bench [not including any veterans that'll come on board for cheap]

    this is just something I wanted to get an opinion on & what works to y’all & what doesn’t

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I dont agree with the guys use of the MLE because the people mentioned are too expensive. But the trade was nice & reasonable. This might be too exact, but this should be Walsh’s line of thinking. This is the type of trade that must happen, pick up a nice C at the deadline Ben Wallace or that idiot Jeffries & we can compete..

  • thebossandbenji76

    I love all these rumors about Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Melo, all the rumors about the Knicks are about getting a 1′s and 3′s, when we have a 1 that’s playing pretty well in Felton and the 3′s Chandler and Gallo are doing ok, look at the team, the two things we need are a 2 and a defensive 5.

  • grahambo86

    Just having some fun…

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2v5q5nb

    Wish they could add draft picks to this thing.

  • BiggieSmalls

    ill take a stab at it.

    i think Denver would agree to a deal that would save them Money THIS year (to get under the lux limit) and NEXT year (for “flexibility”).. as well as deliver two young pieces and a 2012 number one pick.

    CELVELAND has the key asset. lebron’s trade exception. It is worth up to 14.5 mil in cap savings. i think Cleveland is motivated to help teams that can prevent the Heat from running over the East in the next two years.

    Would they take back Chauncey Billup’s 13.5 mil this year and 5.5 mil buyout? Billups would be a great person to help the young CLE team learn how to play “the right way”. and he could go wherever he wants next year as a UFA. This nets DEN almost 20 mil in savings this year and 18 plus next. Certainly CLE wouldnt contact DEN directly to make this trade but as PART of a three way they may be enticed.

    The second part would be the knicks sending CHandler and AR to CLE they give the knicks MIA’s 2012 pick and Boobie Gibson( a point guard who hits shots but has 3 years left on his deal) Chandler is RFA and AR is all potential put Gibson solves our depth and backup PG probs and is relatively reasonable over the next three years. It’s obviously heavily weighted towards CLE but it is PART of taking on Billups for one year.

    NOW armed with 20 mil of cap savings THIS year AND MIA’s 2012 1st rounder how could DEN pass up CURRY(11.2 saving NEXT eyar) and Azzubuike (3.3 NEXT year and insurance this year?) as money savers with Gallo and Toney DOuglas as the Two young talents.

    Denver doesnt like Gallo? OK.. Maybe Toronto wants to pauir him with Bargnani and go total ITaliano. What about INdiana? or Dallas.. Dont tell me there is NO market for Gallo and Toney Douglas.. Does NO ONE want them??

  • JaymanJD

    Things keep going back and forth but it really just depends on whether Melo wants the knicks and only the knicks. This is important because if Melo is willing to go to the NEts I just do not see a package barring so absurd deal that walsh makes involving multiple teams where the knicks have a deal that could match up with the NEts.

    But like I said before I want Melo as much as anyone and I sure Walsh does too. But I also know that Melo des little good if your entire roster besides raymond and amare evaporate in a trade. Miami can get away with basically having three guys because there three guys are Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. All 3 a superior defensive players to a combo of raymon, Melo, and Amare. And are potent scorers as well. This being said its not like the knicks can simply trade away there players and get melo in return Walsh has to either find away to give away only half the ship or find a third or forth team to bring players back to the knicks along with Melo. My team of choice for awhile now has been Sacremento. They have a surplus of Big men and I think we could reasonably get our hands on Jason Thompson a young athletic center. Either way my if i walsh I go to Denver and say Ill give you anything you want but these guys Raymond, Amare, and Gallo are off limits. I admit im a bigger Gallo fan than Chandler fan but not by much. The main reason I include chandler rather than Gallo is first I think his stock is a bit higher at this point and Second he is in a contract year and the knicks would be loth to sign him to a big deal this summer. Yes they have his bird rights but would they match a deal where some crazy team like memphis gives him a rudy gay type deal I am not sure Walsh does that. You might as well trade him while hes hot and get value.

    What can the knicks offer Denver. Well primarily cap flexability to rebuild their team and a few you talents and possible a first rounder in the future. Heres the trade I try to make:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22wts55

    This trade is a revised one from what I did earlier. I took the suggestion that it was a little to in our favor so I toned it down a bit. I do think this is the best for all parties. And the fact that Denver is not getting better with the trade only means they are lossing a superstar. They cannot get equal value thats just plain and simple.

  • scottewil

    I don’t think the Knicks had more tradable assets before the TMac trade. Every one of those players had a horrible contract. That’s why they were dumped. That was the whole purpose of the trade.

    We have more assets now, only we’ve been in “clear the cap” mode and have nobody to offer with a long-term contract. These guys could end up coming back to the Knicks or signing with another team. Denver is cautious about that.

    The Knicks are desperate to make the playoffs, so Dantoni is playing a short rotation, and even our team president admits that he hasn’t seen enough of the players to evaluate.

    Do we think Denver has?

    The only reason we’re talking about this is because of the new CBA. I HATE THIS PART OF SPORTS!

    Well you asked for it, Tommy

    Gallo, Fields, Randolph(1st Rounder), Curry’s expiring, and TD.

  • Dave the Rave

    +1000

  • Tommy Dee

    who’s mad?

  • Brookdon (Official Amare for MVP Campaign)

    76 ers also get nene

  • BASEline LANEdrive

    and a back up point…

    but getting melo is a crazy upgrade at the 3 giving us the type of scorer we need. too many times we can’t score cause shots aren’t falling. with amare AND melo on the floor, that wouldn’t happen very much.

  • NY is not 4 the WEAK

    didn’t stop the heat. If a FA Wade) can discuss other FA’s intentions (bosh and james), and thereby recruit them. I don’t see how someone outside of the league and Knicks organization, can’t have the same convo.

  • fauci933

    J Rich and Earl Clark for Melo? Are you serious?

  • BiggieSmalls

    thanks Mucha.. i laid it out below..

  • Dave the Rave

    How? Because teams are desperate to improve themselves and grab him now before he slips away.

  • humpfree bogart

    Everybody involved seems to be getting real antsy–something should go down real soon. Can’t wait to see how this plays out.

  • BiggieSmalls

    and happy holidays.

  • thebossandbenji76

    I heard Griz really like Wilson Chandler, not Douglas. But it is conceiveable they could do Chandler, Douglas and the expirings of Mason and Azkabukube for Mayo and Thabett. Landry Fields will have to be in a melo deal to get that done, also, u give melo a contract extension, u won’t be able to sign Tyson Chandler whether it’s for the MLE or anything else. Also the Knicks are not signing wilson chandler to a contract extension if u get melo or Tyson Chandler because it will take away from ur 2012 cap room when Paul, Deron Williams and Dwight Howard come up.

  • grahambo86

    I don’t like the deal from the Kings standpoint. Doesn’t look like that helps them upgrade. I could be wrong, just my opinion.

  • bigblue973

    he just needs to make his mind up does he want the money or does he want to come to ny. he may cant have both

  • fauci933

    Because they’re not competing for a chip anytime soon and it could help better their team and financial situation?

  • NYK_4_Lyfe

    as they should be.. bargaining 101.. they have the asset

  • grahambo86

    What about you TD? What’s your trade idea?

  • ds2488

    I could see no one wanting Toney Douglas, but I agree there has to be something of a market for Gallo.

    If you’re Denver, are you just looking to cut your losses now and save as much money as possible on player salaries? Because it’s certainly not going to help with selling tickets to an angry fan base that just watched their franchise player leave while you’re just trying to save some money.

  • Dave the Rave

    Wilson C and L Fields are both better than OJ Mayo. We don’t need him and his questionable personality.

  • thebossandbenji76

    I’ll say Knicks trade Wilson Chandler and Roger Mason’s expiring for OJ mayo before the deadline, then come summer either the Knicks sign Tyson Chandler as a free agent or they trade Felton, Gallo, Randolph, Fields, Turiaf’s expiring etc for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor.

  • BigTyme

    Big, you missed two important factors; along with Melo and Boobie comes not only LaLa but along with Boobs comes Keisha Cole too!!!

  • fauci933

    Yea Chandler/Gallo and Melo are basically the same. A defensive center and a shooting guard makes us a championship team while Amar’e's in his prime.

    Maybe if that shooting guard is Kobe Bryant. How about instead of having average young players at the 2 and 3, we have an average player at the 2 and a star at the 3 (Melo)?

  • BigTyme

    I like AK47 as an option as well at the 5; Rebounds, blks, and 3′s

  • BiggieSmalls

    people are different in Denver.

    they can EASILY spin this as

    “Look, Melo didnt want to be here. We didnt want to get “lebroned” or “Boshed” and we got a bunch of young talent and flexibility — more than CLE and TOR got.

    . Coach Karl is staying to team these guys how to play the “right way” and we’ll have tons of flexibilty even under the new CBA. We believe XXX young player is a star in the making and can be a core piece to build around going forward”

  • Old Knick

    I agree with you on this mucha. That is his legacy. Could he have done something else? Sure but he chose to blow 2 seasons for the hope of lebron. I did NOT happen so he had a plan b??? Well get it done or get ta steppin!!!

  • chito31

    I hate doing trade scenarios… but here is one I liked. Denver, NYK, Philly, and Oklahoma City.

    Denver is looking for talent and cash savings… NY wants Melo. OKC needs to get the the next level, and Philly wants some relief from some of there big contracts.

    NY gets Melo…. done
    O
    KC gets Chauncey Billups. Great leader on a young but playoff team. Moves Westbrook to SG, and deepens there bench.

    Philly get AR cheap talent to develop with Holliday and Turner. They also get Harden from OKC. He hasn’t panned out in OKC like they have wished, plus if your them, Harden for Billups, you have to do that. And Billups ahs a good buy out for next year anyway. Throw in Curry’s expiring to Philly.

    Denver get Iguodala. Not as good as Melo, but still a quality player. Give them Azubukes expiring. Plus his salary is 80% by insurance. Also, have to throw in Mo Petersons expiring. The key is huge luxury tax savings for this year.

    It’s not complete, but this is a framework. You have to throw some draft picks around, cash considerations, and minimum player contracts too. Maybe get JR Smith involved too.

    And I know it’s not the greatest trades, but notice who the Knicks don’t lose…. :)

  • Old Knick

    Hahaha he has got a point!

  • spaceacex

    People, I wouldn’t go crazy from this latest “news” until we here it from ESPN. They’ve been on point in the past with their stories and they nor their bloggers have said anything about this tidbit.

    If they do report it then I’d be really worried….

  • Old Knick

    + a million.
    Spike Lee does not work for MSG it would NOT be tampering………

  • spaceacex

    excuse the typos

  • Old Knick

    All this speculation is great makes for some great debates and such but, Orlando has made some major trades and the feeling is they are not finished.
    Are the Knicks really going to make any trades at all?

  • knicksallday

    At the end of the day if Melo wants to be here he will be here.. LeBron held the Cavs to the stove and Melo can do the same thing.

    I do understand he MAY lose money with the CBA, but it can’t be that much!! I do not feel things will change that much… Maybe 50 instead of 65… Melo will make that back if he comes to the Knicks and then some….

  • BigTyme

    D-League notables; PEjr, Antonio Daniels, Sean Williams, Aaron Miles; guess none of these guys are worthy of a sniff to replace Rottens

  • Mucha

    Thanks BIG – happy holidays to you too.

  • TobyKnight

    So we give up Chandler, Gallo, Randolph, a first and a second and we get Melo and Hollins to back up Roni.

    Steep price, but I’d do it if Denver went for it. I’m sure they would love that Cavs first rd pick, but I’m not sure Cleveland wants to give it up so easily, since it is going to be a lottery pick.

    Excellent deal for Philly.

  • italian stallion

    Denver wants young players with upside and draft picks.

    We have 4 young players with upside and almost draft picks because of the Jeffries/Hill deal to free cap space one year earlier than we would have had it anyway.

    Here are the young players: AR, Fields, Gallo, and Chandler

    It’s going to take Eddy Curry’s contract, plus at least two of those players, plus trading one of them for a first rounder to get Melo. It might be a direct trade or it might be a 3 way deal, but it’s going to cost us 3 players and Curry’s contract.

    That will leave the Knicks with Amare, Melo, Felton, one of the above players, no bench, no youthful upside, no center, depleted draft picks from the Houston deal, and minimal cap space flexibility. In other words, we’ll have no chance of contending for a title and almost no way to improve the team.

    So essentially anyone that thinks trading for Melo is a good idea should not even be allowed to play NBA video games let alone make decisions about real basketball teams.

  • CoPo

    Tommy you know this question has been pondered and answered a million ways from Sunday. The bottom line is, IF Carmelo is not acquired via trade or FA the Knicks will have again lost another superstar. That is the reality of the situation.

    It won’t matter if the team could get gutted for this season. Most fans a willing to tread whatever rebuild for the season, for Anthony, while looking to the FA to sure up the team of NEXT season with Felton, Carmelo and Amar’e as the base.

    Yeah. I know, “What about the rest of this season, etc?” My answer is , “What about it”
    I think the Knicks, like Orlando, hit a glass ceiling. Orlando went into action. Minus the lack of great backup Center for Howard, they’ve improved rather well.

    “IF” Donnie Walsh can do the same to get Melo, then he should do that ‘NOW”. Yes, give Denver what it wants to satisfy their thirst, IF it is possible.

    Knicks should not lose a chance to add another superstar player to the Team with Amar’e and Felton and build it from FA.

    Yeah, perhaps that means a subpar record for the rest of this season but hey, listen, I’ve waited a decade for this type of opportunity,
    I surely can thread water a little longer.

    With Carmelo Anthony, there is NO DOUBT, by next season, The Knicks will build themselves into a big-time contender. Free Agents will WANT to be here. NY will be a REAL destination. Without him, I think we’ll be and OK team, but still reaching up from the bottom for seasons to come.

  • CoPo

    “an OK team”

  • TobyKnight

    Gibson would be a good fit in this this system.
    Billups may be a bit of a hard sell in Cleveland, but if DW could get this deal done, I say go for it.

    Good job Biggie.

  • Mucha

    The only thing a great franchise like the Knicks should be aiming for is a championship in my opinion.

    Donnie Walsh didn’t necessarily put us in a “great” position moving forward considering the fact that we’re the 4th youngest team in the NBA with a 28 years old franchise player. He hasn’t done a bad job either obviously and still think the salary-cap purge needed to be done. But he’s made also some blunders – which leaves us little leverage in the Carmelo Anthony sweepstakes.

  • bob go knicks

    Maybe Woody Allen should talk to him lol

  • italian stallion

    WE really need to be careful about using the word “superstar” in the same sentence as Carmelo Anthony.

    Has anyone checked his scoring efficiency for this year?

    IT IS BELOW AVERAGE!!!!!!

    That means the run of the mill average starting SF produces more points per possession than Melo. That’s F’n ridiculous! All he does is shoot a lot more.

    If he was a great rebounder, play maker, shot blocker, man to man defender etc.. I’d say fine. But he’s not.

    He’s a slightly above average rebounder and play maker compared to the average starting SF and at best an average defender.

    He would clearly be an upgrade over Gallo, but is NO SUPERSTAR and anyone that thinks he is needs to take a remedial course on player evaluation.

    He’s one of an endless list is players that is overhyped and over rated by the people that DO NOT UNDERSTAND basketball – namely casual fans and media types because he scores a lot of points.

  • ImNewYorkWhereEva

    Hey Tommy – Fact is Denver doesn’t like anything we have to offer and I believe are peeved at the fact that Melo may have tried to put them in corner by trying to make it the Knicks or bust.

    Even if we gave Denver Curry, AZ, #1 (after trading AR), Gallo, Chandler, Fields and TD, they still wouldn’t give us Melo. Even after all that DW would still come away with nothing. Which of course to most fans would seem insane not to take and I would have to agree to some extent. Which to means there’s a little more to Denver not wanting to deal with us than they’re letting be known.

    Those who think that that the trade with Houston is the reason we don’t have the assets to trade are just nuts. At the time it was done so that we could do everything we could do to get LBJ. Nobody and I mean nobody had any idea that Miami was in play until the last few days, week before it went down. So to come down on DW for doing what he had to do is just plain stupid.

    Fact is we’re in the position we’re in to even try to get Melo because of it.

    We New Yorkers need to understand that it’s just harder for our teams to make moves and they’re is a real hatred of our teams and our city out there because they feel that we feel entitled. That makes it harder for our teams to make moves.

    I may be the only fan who won’t be sad if we don’t get Melo. I like my roster. I’m patient and know that with another year of experience, some playoff experience gained this year will do wonders for Gallo, Chandler, Fields & TD. It will make them that much tougher and wiser. Another year that Gallo gets to work on his game in the summer. A summer where Fields gets to work on is J. A summer where Chandler gets to work on his handle and another summer where TD gets to work on his PG skills will help us take another step. I’m sure that in the summer a move can be made for another star type player, maybe Mayo, Green or Camby. Then we definitely become a top 4 team in the east.

    Remember Boston is old. Let’s be real, Orlando is a mess, who guts they’re entire roster in the middle of the season? That’s just nuts. The Hawks are what they are, never gonna be better than that. We need to be thinking about how to compete and get as good and better than our good old rivals the Heat and the Bulls.

    In my opinion that’s with DEPTH. Miami doesn’t have it and the Bulls are constantly hurt. If you can build a team that can at them with wave after wave of offensive talent. Get some role players who play DEFENSE, then we have something. The other thing is that it can be done while always maintaining cap flexibility because you’re not spending max money on guys and being reasonable.

    That’s the route I would take. We just need to face the facts. If Melo really wanted to be here, he doesn’t sign the extension and signs in the summer. PERIOD!!

    Thanks Tommy for the blog. I finally have a place where I can vent.

    Go Knicks!!!

  • Mucha

    The Knicks didn’t play their cards right in my opinion.

    The Jared Jeffries/Jordan Hill trade was a necessary evil but the Knicks gave up too many assets – especially the 2012 first round draft pick – Donnie Walsh took WAAY too much time to make the deal. I mean he had 0 leverage at the trade deadline.

  • knicksfan36

    That’s absolutely ridiculous.

    Considering what the Nets have offered and what the Nuggets have accepted (so far):

    Harris, Favors, Murphy, 2 1st rounders

    are you telling me that your proposed trade of…:

    Randolph(who you have being traded for a 1st), Gallinari, Fields, Douglas, Curry, and a 2nd round draft pick

    … is comparable? The 2 draft picks that would go the other way would be mid-late 1st rounders (most likely houston and los angeles) in a draft where the best talents may choose not to declare because of an uncertain cba. Then you go and give away our 2 most potential assets (Gallinari and Fields) as well as Randolph and Douglas AS WELL AS a 2nd round draft pick…

    Right now Favors can hardly be considered better than Randolph. He is of the same nature. He is a big that is raw and needs work. Devin Harris is an often injured and hyped up point guard (more of a shooting guard). Are you to tell me that Gallinari and Fields = Harris and Randolph + Douglas + a 2nd round draft pick = Favors? Please. What a terrible trade offer. THIS IS WHY THE KNICKS WERE BAD FOR A DECADE! Let’s trade our young assets for all stars who are 1 dimensional. Idiotic.

    I’m all for getting Carmelo. He’ll add star power, another proficient scorer on the Knicks, and another late game presence. HOWEVER, I am not for gutting this team. We have gutted this team for far too long and thus have been bottom dwellers for far too long.

  • Mucha

    The whole world is blind and you’re the all seing eye.

    *Thank you based God.

    (Just kidding)

  • hostdude99

    That’s way too much. You do not give up so much for Melo. No way, no how. Basically, you have to keep 1 of the three of Chandler, Gallo and Fields. Denver can have 2 of the 3. Otherwise, you’re in serious deep doo doo when trying to fill out the team. And as much as I want Melo, he is not the top 10 player people are making him out to be.

    If you do offer that trade and Denver says no, then they obviously have no intention of trading the man.

  • bob go knicks

    ya gotta crawl before you walk! everyone wants instant championship,Its much more satisfying to watch a team get built,and get better and better.This buy the best player ish,is from playin too many video games.I say donnie forget Melo and just get some pieces that we need and go from there.This “one foot on both sides of the fence” crap is instant FAIL.! Well at least if we do fail ,it will be instant to satisfy most of you

  • avvocato

    Didn’t people say that after LeBron and others passed? Then Melo becomes available (after the David Lee trade). Who’s to say someone else won’t become available (though it may have to wait until 2012). This is the best chance (since LeBron) to catapult us into contention, but can we seriously say that if Melo doesn’t come there’s no way to go to another plan?

    Walsh’s strategy was to build cap space to sign free agents. He gave the team an opportunity to sign two max free agents in 2010 but only got one. If the CBA wasn’t expiring and Melo wasn’t afraid to be a free agent, it would be a no brainer. Unfortunately, we’re not positioned to give Denver what they want.

    Walsh has done a great job getting us in the right direction. Not everything has worked as we may have all liked, but he doesn’t panic when something doesn’t pan out (unlike this Board).

  • bob go knicks

    +100

  • hostdude99

    Totally right.

  • avvocato

    It’s easy to criticize after the fact. That’s like saying NJ has been brilliant in sucking it up last year and this year. When they came up donut in free agency, they looked dumb. If they stockpile picks now and get Melo, maybe they look OK. We still don’t know how it turns out. They may not even get him yet.

  • avvocato

    He has that magical “upside”, which usually means that he’s either going to be good, or we don’t know enough to know that he’ll suck.

  • Dave the Rave

    u r too impatient and unrealistic……

  • Mucha

    Something’s gotta give if Anthony’s willing to sign with the Nets.

    The Knicks were bad for a decade because the Knicks used to trade 1st round draft picks for career-losers and mediocre star players. Melo doesn’t fit the description.

    Btw I’m a big Anthony Randolph supporter but I’d rather have Derrick Favors right now.

  • Jayo

    STFU… We get it, you like Gallo.. Sheesh

  • ImNewYorkWhereEva

    One more thing – the moves I would make would be for Anderson Varejao or Robin Lopez. STAT needs to be pushed back to the 4 and he needs a partner down low. Both of these guys block shots, rebound and play DEFENSE. That move right there puts Chandler back on the bench where we need him because of his offensive and defensive ability coming in with the second unit. It would allow Ronny to give us solid minutes off the bench and give Timo time to develop be it in practice or with a stint in the D-league.

    I would then go after Luke Ridnour or sign Rafer Alston. TD needs another summer to simply just get it. For now he could focus on what he does best and that being active on the D and scoring. It would simplify the game for him.

    I would then go get Anthony Parker for his scoring, defense and veteran playoff experience.

    That is a solid squad. The Pistons won the chip as a TEAM not with a bunch of superstars. Why can’t we?

    Go Knicks!!

  • bob go knicks

    i say screw Melo and try to get Tyson Chandler now,…and a backup point guard for Gods sake!

  • Upstate Knick Fan

    yup

  • Mucha

    Hypothetical trade scenario :

    Knicks trade : Gallinari, Fields, Curry, Azabuike, Mason, Douglas, 1st round draft pick (Randolph), 2nd round draft pick from Golden State.

    Knicks receive : Anthony and Afflalo

    Felton
    Afflalo
    Anthony
    Stoudemire
    Turiaf

    Chandler
    Mozgov
    Walker
    2011 1st round draft pick
    2011 MLE
    2011 Minimum signings

    You can build a championship team very quickly even if you give up many assets in a trade for Melo imo.

  • Mucha

    Brilliant.

  • Mucha

    Al Jefferson was a rising NBA star.

  • Mucha

    Amar’e Stoudemire is 28 years old – he will not be able to play at an MVP level forever.

    Everybody was talking about building a DYNASTY 2 years ago. Donnie Walsh’s plan was to build a championship team that’s why I’ve always respected/supported his plan – but I will not lower my expectations just because we have a young exciting team with a 28 year old superstar. To each his own though (no disrespect).

  • oscar f

    There is no package the Knicks have to get Melo at this point. He will be traded to the Nets. The Knicks will get Iggy as an excuse and consilation prize. Don’t say I aint say so guys. The fact the Knicks don’t have these assets is because of Donnie in how he drafted and the T-Mac deal. Im not saying this to bash him because I understand the T-Mac deal but facts are facts.

  • Mucha

    “ya gotta crawl before you walk!”

    I hear you bob but I think the Knicks have crawled enough. The time is now in my opinion. But maybe you’re right – and you’ve always consistent, I mean I deeply respect your POV.

  • BiggieSmalls

    theoretically.. Riley didnt ASK Wade to go recruit the other guys.. it came as his own independent thought..

    “just have someone” sounds like DW should call Spike and give him a script.

  • bob go knicks

    whos the former player?

  • http://facebook.com/willhanza Will H

    I’ll just keep saying it- Melo, while an offensive force, is not worth trading the whole team for.

    He doesn’t play D, he is selfish and we’d have no one left on the roster.

    Instead, just trade Curry and Chandler for Andre Iguadala and get a more complete package that can do a lot of things without needing the ball constantly. He’d also come cheaper. You can then work on getting a backup C and a back-up PG(though Iggy would give us dimes). Maybe pry away Hawes from Philly, too, to give us that back-up C.

  • knicksfan36

    You’d rather have Favors because this is his first year in the league, while Randolph has been in the league for 3 and they’ve pretty much had similar results. Understandable

    And yes something does have to give, and it should be the Nuggets. It’s been stated for a very long time that Carmelo is unwilling to sign with the Nets. He said it himself that he does not believe that the Nuggets will trade him to a team he does not prefer. In that case they should not be arrogantly dismissing the Knicks. Carmelo has done a lot for that franchise AND on top of that he’s also telling them with complete honesty of his future plans. He does not plan on staying with the Nuggets NOR does he plan on playing for a team that he does not desire. Essentially, Carmelo is a free agent. After this season is over he’s going to CHOOSE which team he goes to. If the Nuggets are wise then they will understand that he’s not going to go anywhere other than where he prefers (I’m sure the Knicks are a part of that list, probably the most preferable destination). If you put yourself in his shoes tell me what your reaction would be to this scenario:

    You are set to be a free agent in less than a season.
    You want to play for a franchise which has passionate and dedicated fans while also being a part of a successful, championship caliber team.
    You have given 7 1/2 years of your life playing for a franchise, leading them to heights they could have only dreamt, and you’ve already given them the opportunity to find trade partners so that they do not completely fall apart when you leave (essentially another favor for the franchise).
    You are already a successful millionaire. You may go into NY with contract uncertainty however, even if your contract is lower than it would have been half a season ago you will only stand to gain just as much if not more by endorsements and fame (both in NYC and globally).

    1) You hold all the leverage.
    2) The team you are playing for SHOULD have the decency to work towards getting you to the team you want. If they don’t want to give in then you can just as easily reject all other teams (which means they will get nothing when you leave) AND sit out the remainder of the season (Carmelo has already started sitting out games with knee inflammation, it’s not inconceivable that he could suddenly come down with some sort of lingering injury that prohibits him to play for the team, down the stretch and into the playoffs).

    Now look at the Knicks position in all of this. They have a team that is more successful than originally thought. The glaring needs of this team are not what Carmelo would fill if they traded for him. AND they have one of the best, and most importantly YOUNG, core’s in the entire league. They have fans that are as passionate as they come. They have fans that specifically desire Carmelo. Without breaking up this core, this team including Carmelo, becomes championship caliber. If Carmelo has in fact stated that the Knicks are his only preferable destination then this trade should be easy for both sides. Knicks get what they want while maintaining the majority of their core and the Nuggets get what they want as they will receive young players with potential (Randolph and Douglas and if need be Mozgov) and salary relief (Curry and Azubuike and 3 mill in cash considerations). If the Knicks take it a step further they can get a 3rd and even a 4th team to take Nene, JR Smith, or Kenyon Martin off the Nuggets hands too, taking even more salary off their hands. There’s no reason that this shouldn’t work, and there’s no reason the Knicks should gut their team for a player that plays a position the Knicks already have 3 players capable of occupying (Fields, Gallinari, Chandler).

    If Carmelo is traded to the Nets, for example, then this team has a lot to look forward to next year as well. Curry, Azubuike, Mason JR, Shawn Williams all come off the salary. Ronnie Turiaf, Anthony Randolph, and Timofey Mozgov can be traded as well. That leaves close to enough salary to sign another max fa or trade for one WHILE also keeping the entire core.

  • http://facebook.com/willhanza Will H

    if denver is holding things up for a 1st round pick that the knicks gave houston, that is dumb. it would be a late rounder-one easily obtained for cash or minor trade.

    denver seems more intent on not letting Melo go where he wants to.

    Favors is a good rookie, talent, yes.

    Anyway, as I posted below, in many ways I’d prefer to give up less and spend less and get Iguadala, anyway. He actually plays defense!

  • ac11nyc

    Lets see how accurate your assesstment of Meo is:

    “That means the run of the mill average starting SF produces more points per possession than Melo. That’s F’n ridiculous! All he does is shoot a lot more”

    Durant(#1 SF)
    20.2 FGA 27.4 PPG 39.5 MPG

    Melo(#3 SF)
    18.9 FGA 24.0 PPG 35.2 MPG

    Corey Maggette(Avg Run of the mill SF)
    8.0 FGA 10.7 PPG 19.0 MPG

    I believe you are wrong. Melo is possibly one of the best scorers in the league! His defense is slack. Put him with players where he doesnt need to find his own shot everytime and see how this kid shines! Melo would make Amare and Felton only better.

  • bob go knicks

    that deal is NOT gonna bring a chip to the Knicks.Amare,Melo hollins……..wheres the rest of the team?

  • bob go knicks

    i want Gallo

  • bob go knicks

    thats the funniest trade ive ever seen.the Knicks get really good players and alls they lose is wilson chandler? ha ha ha ha. this would work only if the GMs from sac and denver had severe head trauma

  • Old Knick

    He’s yours!
    :)

  • bob go knicks

    it was good up until the cp. deal

  • Old Knick

    Does anyone know why Denver or any other team is NOT askign for gallo? From what is written here it seems like gallo is NOT desired by other teams. I know I get on him sometimes because he pisses me off but, he has to (well he should be) interesting to some team. Does anyone know why denver does NOT want him?

  • Mucha

    No I’d rather have Favors because he has a position and an NBA body.

    If Carmelo Anthony feels disrespected by the Knicks organization because 1. we don’t want to trade a couple of role players for him 2. he wants to leave Denver ASAP – then he will start looking at other options believe me, especially if the Knicks are being greedy and Denver receives better offers from LA or Chicago or even New Jersey.

    “That leaves close to enough salary to sign another max fa or trade for one WHILE also keeping the entire core”

    Who???

  • knicksfan36

    You don’t need to use that salary immediately, but Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard… All options.

  • CircleLimit4

    I don’t think Nuggests are getting enough for both Melo AND Billups. Thats a top-10 all-star and a Finals MVP and one of the greatest floor leaders in recent history. I also don’t think Denver is ready to hand the reigns over to Lawson just yet either.

    You’re scenario operates under the assumption that Denver’s M.O. is saving money. I think Denver is looking to save money, but first and foremost secure a tangible future beyond flexibility (young talent/picks.) I think they want more of a tangible future than just flexibility. I don’t believe. Gallo and Douglas is gonna cut it. You gotta at least add fields.

    “Denver doesnt like Gallo? OK.. Maybe Toronto wants to pauir him with Bargnani and go total ITaliano. What about INdiana? or Dallas.. Dont tell me there is NO market for Gallo and Toney Douglas.. Does NO ONE want them??”

    Finish the scenario. You’re adding a 4th (maybe a 5th) team. The more moving parts the easier it is for the deal to fail.

  • Mucha

    Not enough capspace if the Knicks resign Chandler, Gallinari, Fields and Randolph.

  • TobyKnight

    Why would the Mavs trade Chandler now?

    I’m pretty sure they would give us Haywood now, but given his recent play, would we want him?

  • CircleLimit4

    Things are easier said than done and we don’t really know how active or inactive Donnie is.

    I’m assuming he’s trying his best to retain either Chandler, Gallo or Fields in a potential trade. I wouldn’t be surprised if Denver or a 3rd team is demanding Felton as well.

    Or maybe Donnie thinks the Knicks can improve without Melo. I would love Melo on this team, but not at all costs. If we could get a 2nd/3rd tier star plus a center/pg for less than Melo I would be content.*

    * after all reasonable avenues for Melo have been exhausted

  • Namifi

    What sense does that make, if he wants to sign an extension with either of them then we didn’t have a chance at him anyway. If he won’t sign it with them then who would give up assets to trade for him knowing he won’t stay? If he wants to be here all we have to do is wait, we’ll lose less assets and he will be where he wants to be.

  • CircleLimit4

    Afflalo might be a deal breaker for Denver. I don’t think they want to give up Melo AND their starting 2 guard.

  • Scoobio32

    I’d love to have Melo at the garden here and now but to be gutting the roster just doesn’t make sense. You take out Chandler, Gallo and fields you take out 3 quality players and 3 quality starters. Fair enough you have Melo, Stat and Sugar Rey Felton but not much behind that. We may get some trash chucked in but I don’t reckon losing those three and gaining Melo will make us stronger.

  • Pat

    Hey forget Melo, we need to go hard after Earl Barron!

  • gianthinker

    I think Denver WOULD take Fields, Gallo, Chandler, Eddy Curry and a 1st Rounder (AR). I think I’d try to take Fields out and add Az with his expiring contract but honestly as much of an over payment as we all think that is I still think we’d have to do it because Melo is a great player and these guys are supporting characters.