Shawne Williams is a Team Player

Shawne is definitely part of the solution, especially if he’s willing to take less money to stay.

I love his toughness and his talent – he’s easily my favorite Knick after Anthony, Stoudemire and Billups.

I’m voting Yes, with a disclaimer. That being the premise that he is willing to take much less $ than what market value will be to stay in one place. At the same or slightly increased money I think we could do much worse than to have him around as a back up 3/4. At any higher money, than no, keep Brown around as the 11th man and see if he can be developed.

ok, where does he play?

you want him as our backup PF?

Streak shooter off the bench.

Back-up PF and SF.

Yes, def if he will come cheap. I would love to sign him long term as our knowdown shooter off the bench and he also a pretty willing defensive player. He should play NO C.

so, fields is out of the rotation? I think we all agree he shouldn’t be playing the 2.

For all the harping on defense and rebounding, I’m surprised so many people want to bring back a PF that doesn’t do either great…..

We need more of a downlow presence from our back-up PF imo……

I would like to draft an NBA ready PF/C to replace Shawne in the rotation

“A source said the Knicks will also look at point guards and deft-shooting two-guards as needs.
The slump of Landry Fields has made the Knicks realize they could use more outside shooting prowess at that position, though they believe Fields is still a big part of the future. Though they are not true centers, rugged boardmen with good size on yesterday’s list are 6-9 Texas’ Tristan Thompson and Georgia’s 6-10 Trey Thompkins. Both could fall to 17.
Point-guard underclassmen Josh Selby and Reggie Jackson are 17-range types, but Duke senior Nolan Smith may be rated higher. Underclassmen shooting guards Klay Thompson and Texas’ Jordan Hamilton may also be available. One mock draft has the Knicks taking UCLA shooting guard Tyler Honeycutt.”

http://nyp.st/iGadQS

So, if it comes down to between Shawne and Brown (both back-up SF/PF) who do you keep, if it would take the same amount to keep them?

They’re different players but Shawne Williams is a better basketball player than Fields by far in my opinion.

I like Shawne as a back-up forward, he can play PF with a legitimate center when Stoudemire’s sitting on the bench and SF when Carmelo’s sitting on the bench. At least Shawne tries his best to play defense and brings toughness to the table. The Knicks – aside from Shawne and Melo – are too soft in my opinion.

Congrads to Shawne Williams…. I love this guy!!!!!!! He is so refreshing in today’s athelete!!!!!!!!! I hope and know he will be back!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely Yes more so then the others!

Wow, didn’t know he weighed 280 pounds when he was drafted. He’s a hard worker. Has the height and can shoot the 3. Most importantly he Boxes out and can be a really good defender if he really focuses on it.

Seems like he has his head straight and is thankful to be just in the league = hungry to be the best version of himself! He wants to maximize his opportunity! Nice story. Every team needs a guy like that on their team. I’d like to see him improve his dribble penetration and work on his mid range on the offensive end!

If he is willing to sign on the cheap it’s a no brainer! If anything a really desirable asset to trade to upgrade the team if needed.

Definitely Shawne. D Brown sucks IMO. He can’t dribble, shoot, hit free throws. He has potential but we don’t have time for projects.

Aaron Brooks? I would still take a pg with our first pick and sign a backup. You need 3 pgs w billups on the roster, and whatever backup we get in FA is only going to be a 1 year deal, along with billups 1 year deal. There are no bigs worthwhile at our first round pick drafting spot anyway.

I’m sorry, but I don’t think of Shawne as an enforcer. How does resigning a jump-shooter that doesn’t rebound or defend very well help our toughness?

Fields is better imo. he is the better perimeter defender, better rebounder and better passer. heck, they even shot almost exactly the same percentage from 3. Plus, fields has more upside….

everyone kills D’Antoni for playing only offensive players…..well what the hell is Shawne Williams?

Welcome back Shawne

He’s on a bit of a bind. As a FA signing on a one tear deal we don’t have full bird rights so whatever h gets has to come out of our nonexistent cap spaces we can really only offer him a 25% bump under early bird

I’m sure he’ll take a one year at that rate then try to cash in next year.. Good team player .. Welcome aboard

On another note.. I had a revelation on the other thread last nitr.

The player we NEED to sign that part o the solution is tayshaun Prince. Now some might say we don’t need a Sf but I say let’s being him on and give him the starting 2 guard spot. He’s a dead eye shooter with a Three point touch and an elite elite defender on the wing. His worst skill is post defense and that would be minimiZed at the 2. And he is a winner. But not important he is an elite defender who doesn’t need this Piss poor coach to tach him how to defend.

He has a relationship with coach billups and I would lean heavily on CB tO talk him into taking te full mid level for the next four years and be a great great fourth option on a championship team

This is actually a PF/C heavy draft. No superstars but solid role players.

Aaron Brooks will be much to expensive.

Shawne Williams isn’t a terrible defender. Remeber the defense he played on Lebron James? He is certainly willing and was on of the better perimeter defenders on this team

Keep Shawne.

Brown is an unknown with no range beyond a dunk

Shawne out played all of our expectations…I remember folks her screaming about how we kept him instead of PE Jr….seems as if it worked out fine for him and the the team

ok, so i don’t want to hear any complaining when our D sucks.

you bring in players that can’t d, you will have a bad defensive team. end of story.

Our three best players are not good defenders. We need to surround them with strong defenders/rebounders or we will have a bad defensive team AGAIN!

I thought about Tayshaun a while ago but two things came to mind.

1. Is he quick enough to guard alot of twos in this league anymore?

2. Is he worth MLE for a team with a gaping hole at the 5?

Tommy! No grade for Shawne? Is it TBD? He was a nice suprise for us and I may be more generous grader, so I give Shawne a solid B.

He’s 6-9 with a 7-2 wingspan.

We have a gaping hole on defense..

Fill in the C with Jordan, Turiad, Sean Williams, Earl Barron or who ever..

Our C is a defender / shot blocker/ who shouldn’t touch the ball

Anyone but amare.. Three or four headed defender will be fine

You gotta keep Williams ESP if we are gonna keep mike. I like that he has a good stroke and a decent defender with verl long wingspan. I wouldn’t low ball him with the vet min so I would prob be ok with giving him a 3 yr 5-6 mil contract total notper year.

Shawne Williams is not a terrible defender, but he’s not good. he’s average at best. He played good D on James in one game and he is a good defender? come on man!

i don’t care how much he tries! I care how much he succeeds.

you want to bring him in instead of Brown? fine. But he should be like our 11th man. he is just not good enough to be our backup PF…..

Fields just finished his rookie season. Shawne is a four year vet who is not very athletic. Fields has more upside and is more of a hustle player, I rather have him as our backup SF and find a REAL backup PF/C to replace Shawne in the rotation

it just makes sense…..

Prince is a deadeye shooter? since when? he has a nice mid-range game.

he fills NONE of our needs (starting c, backup PG, starting SG).

I don’t think he has played much SG and I don’t know if he is quick enough to guard qicker 2′s.

We NEED a center, why spend all our doe on another SF? make no sense…..

Interesting. I never thought about that… every contending team has that type of perimeter defender (or at-least tries to have) Grizzles with Toney Allen and Shane Battier, Thabo Sefolosha and James Harden with Thunder, and Ron Artest with the Lakers…

Who out there can we realistically bring in that is better than Shawne offensively and defensively?

Biggie,

What do you think would be a good way to get him? Prince made over $11 million last year. I think he is currently in discussions with Detroit. Are you thinking a sign and trade? (Since we have no cap room.) Who would you move? Assuming Prince will make $11 million + a year that could be a hard nut to crack.

He will be out of position anywhere. he is not big enough to guard bigger PF’s and he is not quick enough to guard most SF’s…….

I know his quantities: Good shooter. average defender, average rebounder……not good enough……

“According to several sources,the front office will encourage D’Antoni to revamp his coaching staff to hire a defensive coach. In the past, D’Antoni has been reluctant to seek outside help, most famously refusing Steve Kerr’s request four years ago to hire Tom Thibodeau in Phoenix. Thibodeau landed in Boston in 2007, and helped the Celtics win the title three seasons ago. He now is head coach of the top-seeded Bulls.

A move to hire another assistant does not necessarily mean one of D’Antoni’s current assistants will be removed. Phil Weber, Dan D’Antoni, Herb Williams and the highly regarded Ken Atkinson are all expected to be retained. D’Antoni, who is expected to acquiesce to management, has made it clear that he wants to remain in New York.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/04/29/2011-04-29_knicks_seeking_more_d.html

Shud we pick Up kenyon Martin?? He doesnt mind coming off the bench ..I think So …he said he doesnt care About Money Anymore

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17954944

Possibilities?

Memphis assistant Dave Joerger, Orlando’s Steve Clifford, Portland’s Bill Bayno and Chicago’s Ron Adams are all regarded as top defensive coaches. Another possibility for the Knicks is Thibodeau’s replacement in Boston, Lawrence Frank, the former Nets’ coach. Frank’s contract expires this summer

I would def take a look at Ron Adams

“Fill in the C with Jordan, Turiad, Sean Williams, Earl Barron or who ever..

Our C is a defender / shot blocker/ who shouldn’t touch the ball”

You act like anyone can fill that role…..How about bringing in a quality NBA caliber vet center…

Jordan? sean williams? get the F out of here…….I’m talking about STARTING CENTER!!!

He can def play the two and has a long wingspan, but those were my concerns too.

He said he doesn’t know when asked whether or not he wanted bak. After that he said the politcally correct thing. I’ll edit the wording.

Knicks may force Dantoni To hire defensive coordinator:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/29/knicks-may-force-d’antoni-to-hire-defensive-coordinator/

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/04/29/2011-04-29_knicks_seeking_more_d.html

Possible candidates via Daily News:

Memphis assistant Dave Joerger, Orlando’s Steve Clifford, Portland’s Bill Bayno and Chicago’s Ron Adams are all regarded as top defensive coaches. Another possibility for the Knicks is Thibodeau’s replacement in Boston, Lawrence Frank, the former Nets’ coach. Frank’s contract expires this summer.

exactly….not gonna happen….

What if he came for vets min or the split midlevel exception in hopes of a ring?

Oh diddn’t see Brookdon already posted this! Lol

I posted the same article down low. I would love to give Ron Adams a look

so we ignore the lengthy explicitly complementary lines and focus on what you argue to be veiled criticism?

This would be a total joke. If you have to force your coach to make defense a priority when he hasn’t won anything to begin with, you are heading down the wrong track.

Knicks management needs to wake up and realize that if defense is not important to this coach, after watching year after year his teams ending up short, he is THE PROBLEM and needs to go find himself another team!

Anyone thinks Pringles will allow for a defense coach to come in and improve things (proving that he was wrong to begin with) is out of their minds.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33239618/ns/sports-player_news/

+1, reads like an endorsement to me. Keep dreaming D’Antoni will be back.

It’s hilarious to me that all of the people who say they want a team that defends and rebounds, wants to bring back a forward that doesn’t defend or rebound very well.

Do you think that bringing in lawrence frank is going to make shawne Williams a good defender/rebounder?

Totally irrational…..

I remember someone saying there are 30 Bill Walkers in the D league…I’m sure there are several players trying to get the opportunity to just defend the paint and rebound. There has to be someone out there that is attainable…I would think.

Defense!!!

How does replying the question of “Do you want MD back” with “I don’t know” sound like an endorsement? Even Isola wrote that in his article.

I agree though he will be back.

No doubt, but that doesn’t mean we can’t retain Shawne as our shooter. Every championship team has that guy who knocks down shots and if he would come cheap, we should take him

After Amare, Chauncey & Carmelo, Nothing on this team is irreplacable. I’d like to keep & develop Toney & Landry because I think there is value, and Ronny because he seems like a spiritual leader. The rest of the roster is filler.
Draft a player who is ready to contribute now, and sign a rotation player. the fact that we are debating the merits of guys who fall in and out of D’Antoni’s rotation is a curiosity. Almost like 2009 fan thinking. We need to upgrade these positions quickly or we will waste Melo and STAT.

I rather get a proven commodity to fill such an important need….

bring him back on a vet min in a VERY limited role would be fine.

LOL at average defender .. If he’s average then everyone on our team sucks

What the hell has Brown EVER done?

Dont mean to sound like an a hole or anything, but wtf has Derrick Brown done or showed to keep him over Shawne, who was a pretty major contributor off the bench and always played solid in actual games on both sides of the floor.

Derrick Brown isn’t a lockdown defender, he can’t shoot or hit free throws, not a very good ball handler and screams “below avg NBA player”. He can throw down some nice dunks, but Shawne has prove. He can contribute on a fairly consistent basis, by no means should D Brown of all people take a spot over him.

1. The Heat have LEBRON JAMES, DWYANE WADE, and CHRIS BOSH next to their crappy center. That team is impossible to defend. Amare can’t handle the ball or pass like Bosh, and the Heat essentially have two Carmelos next to their PF.

2. There are 30 Bill Walkers in the D League, there are barely 30 capable big men in the NBA. That comparison is terrible.

He has that tough attitude..that ny attitude..but he wud b great off the bench behind amare..but yea only for the right price..he has gotten his big paycheck already..i doubt he ask for alot of $ especially if it means coming here..

knicks are gonna need a couple of unproven guys to play well next year if they are gonna do well.

besides, I see him in a limited role. neither shawne nor brown should see much PT next year imo…..knicks should have better players….

I don’t think it matters if Shawne isn’t an ideal defender as long as we bring in somebody who is. What some people are overlooking, and I know it’s hard to believe, but post-trade this team has actually had a major shortage of guys who can knock down shots. Williams was automatic at times, granted from one spot, but still better than pretty much everyone but Melo, Douglas, Billups, and Amare.

Fields – not exactly Chuck Person.

Walker – Inconsistent at best and I don’t think he should be back anyway.

Carter – More of a distributor but would love to see him back.

Mason Jr – Regardless of whether it was deserved or not, he didn’t get the playing time to be a consistent shooter, though he’s proved he can be on other teams.

Bottom line is Shawne can hit the three, he brings toughness (loved seeing a knick besides mardy collins get in a fight). He’s got weaknesses, but fewer than most scrubs on this team. We would regret not keeping him imo.

I want Shane battier!!!!!

He’s not going back to Detroit.. Everything I’ve read says no chance

I’d give him full mid level .. 5.5 mil.. Could e get 7-8 elsewhere?? Mabe. But nit from a contender

I forgot about him, he would be a perfect fit.

Bosh is a terrible defender Nac. Didn’t you see Elton Brand destroy him game 5?

That have lockdown petimetre defense but are extremely weak in the loe post.

Raja Bell…

So an “average defender” to you is second team all defense for five years?

if Prince came in for the vet min, without a doubt, take him. I love his game.

But we need size first and foremost. and we need a couple of guards.

Our resources are extremely limited. we have to allot our resources according to our priorities. The number one priority is size. why spend all our money on a SF who you want to play out of position at the two.

doesn’t make sense to me…..

Perfect fit!..at this point in his career I’m hoping he wud take less to play for a contender like us

are you talking about Billups?

to imply that he is anywhere near the same player he was when he was at that level is ridiculous. he can’t stay in front of anyone….

???

Brown hasn’t done anything spectacular. He hasn’t even played above average in garbage time. You can also say he hasn’t played enough to showcase what he has but he is still questionable. I don’t think the Knicks at this point need unproven players???? They need players that are solid players. At least, Shawne Williams played well in numerous games that count. He played solid D on Wade and Lebron. On top of that the guy performed when called upon. He needs to improve his ball handling a lot and mid range game but overall is is solid across the board.

His natural position is at the SF. How is it his fault that he can’t play there. He even had to adjust his game for the team and spread the floor. He did that well. He plays solid D and is an okay rebounder.
His season averages were basically slightly all above across the board in the playoffs.

I’m not saying we will suck without him. But to make it seem like he is this horrible player or that an unproven player is better than him is pretty …dumb.

Also…he doesn’t necessarily have to play full time pf or sf…obviously our two best players are occupying that position. Depending on matchups…you can sneak him at the PF if for example a team like the Celtics uses Jeff Green at their PF for a while. If it is an natural PF/C adjust and use him as a back up SF. It is all about who you are playing. I would like to think that is what versatility is. Not playing him at the 5 though…when Howard, Bynum, Gasol are the opposing centers…

There are plenty of great athletes who suck in the NBA. Shawne would see plenty of time next year since he’s versatile, defends, has a good attitude, and can shoot. The money they have will be focused elsewhere.

I’d like him back if it’s cheap. That’d be fine.

I’m gonna operate under the assumption that there will be no MLE and Mike is still the coach. To go with Shawne, I’d target Kurt Thomas and Troy Murphy.

NY receives Ridnour/Ellington/Bell/Okur
UTA receives Billups/Fields/Tolliver
MIN receives Douglas/Turiaf

I think Okur’s achilles will be fine if, in fact, all he really did suffer was a back sprain. Depends on how severe the back is, as that influences recovery. Of course, I’m not privy to these things, so I’m not the GM.

He’s going to be 31 this year not 35.. Big diff

http://nykblog.com/2011/04/29/front-office-might-hire-defensive-assistant/

Anyone read this? If we hire a defensive assistant I’ll be thrilled.

Starksoakmase–

Who I this starting caliber NBA center you are thinking of bringing in at mid level or less??

Please don’t say Sammy dalemberry.. He’s eddy curry in waiting

thankyou for rationality

I’m not saying he should be the first guy off the bench, or even the main backup 4 or 3, and we should still draft a big, but keeping him on at a low cost would make the team deeper as he can play 2 positions. We know D’Antoni has faith in him so he most likely wont get the mason jr treatment…

I just don’t see a reason not to bring him back at all, unless he got in the way of signing a better player, and it seems clear that won’t happen. What if we draft a 4 and he’s a bust? or injury prone like turiaf? Shawne wont be ideal but at least he brings something to the table.

Worst case scenario is he sees less time than he did this year. still there are much worse 11 or 12th men you could have… he was the most consistent bench player even before the trade.

For instance, Williams plans to work with Joe Abunassar at Impact’s training facility in Las Vegas before moving on to the IMG Academy in Florida. He even has his own trainer, but that’s not something he likes to discuss.

“I got a private trainer, but I’m keeping it a secret so nobody will hire him,” he said. “I’m probably going to do that over the summer.

“You got to be selfish with your trainers and your court time because you’ve got players here that are trying to get better every day too, and they’ll steal them, quick.”

Back when Williams’ days in the NBA looked numbered, he didn’t take conditioning so seriously. Knicks president Donnie Walsh, who was with the Pacers when they drafted Williams in 2006, says his weight may have hit 280 pounds.

“I was overweight,” Williams said. “That’s all that matters.”

But even now, with his weight at its lowest mark in years, Williams still thinks he can improve his conditioning.

“You know that’s one of my biggest things, getting my weight down,” he continued. “I feel like I still wasn’t at the playing weight that they wanted me at. They wanted to take it off slow instead of quick. Hopefully next year I’ll probably be at 230, 228… The weight kind of helped me this year because I played the 5 and the 4. I had to wrestle with bigger guys.

“Bulking up, but at the same time, getting the weight down. More like [Amar'e Stoudemire]. I hope I look just like STAT.”

Well Harris C. He played 8 games and averaged about 11 minutes during garbage time. Didn’t prove much besides dunk the ball..

Hey if he is a solid role player than what the hell but I doubt that he is. Like someone else said 30 Bill Walkers in the d league lol I am sure there are 45 D. Browns.

Solid defender…solid player. Not an elite defender nor an elite player, remember there is a difference. But a lot of people want to gamble and try to hit a home run and get a young gunner who can do nothing but get a dunk because the opposing bench’s defense (in garbage time) sucks. Flashy always catches the eye I guess.

“The players want fewer restrictions on free agency as well as new guidelines for age requirements.”

I’m not really sure that the players have anything to fix in the current system. My observation is that when a player becomes a restricted free agent the only way to get the original team to let him go is to overpay…that’s actually good for the players and has boosted up some pay checks. Also, when it comes to unrestricted, the system in place now also favors overpaying the players in that the current team can add an extra year to the deal. Again, in order for the original team to keep a player being courted by another team they usually have to be willing to add another year, which is again good for the players. The fact that the system is designed to give the current team the ability to keep its players has been very good for the players. Think of Amare’s situation. The only reason why the Knicks got him was because Phoenix wasn’t willing to pay him but if Phoenix really wanted him he would likely still be there. Cases like Lebron’s where he took less money and a shorter deal are the rarity.

Dependa on how you sell it. Why did guys like Keith Bogans and Kurt Thomas sign with Chitown over Boston or Miami?

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lol

Don’t mind starksoakmase, he just wants to make sure there’s still room for JJ on the roster.

wholly sh## man, think for a sec

I’m saying i want a vet for starting C, but wouldn’t mind having a young guy like Brown to fill out the bottom of the roster. big difference….

wtf are you talking about?

when did i say brown would fill the bruiser role?

I actually said they should daft someone to fill that role.

reading helps….

lmao.

dude is smart he knows the knicks is the only team that will keep him knowing danni boy likes him and donnie.

after the knicks he might be with another nba team but those chances are SLIM and NONE

he’s eddy curry?

eddy curry had two or three inconsistently good years.

sammy is a durable big that plays d and rebounds in 25 mpg. its what we need and he is a proven guy that can do it. I think being on a team with billups, melo and amare will hopefully keep him in line…..

obviously he has to come at the right price. so we will see.

I just think it would be incredibly risky to rely on a d-leaguer to be our starting C when that is our most glaring need…….

saying “throw sean williams out there” is really minimizing how vital that need is….

He said he’d be open to it? I must’ve missed it

And if an injury happens?

Would you rather have a young unproven guy filling that role. Or someone like Williams who already showed he can average above his season average in the playoffs. That is a BIG difference. Williams is tough and isn’t a punk. The Knicks need toughness.

I think your the one who should take a sec and think for a minute.

You still avoided the fact that first you said we need unproven players and than you said we need proven players. lol I’m not attacking you just clarifying what needs to be clarified.

One last thing, Derrick Brown is 24 and Shawne Williams is 25. They are both young and one has more experience than the other…I will leave that for you to find out who that is.

Here’s a center flying way under the radar that could be a find in free agency.

Hamed Haddadi

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haddaha01.html

“You still avoided the fact that first you said we need unproven players and than you said we need proven players.”

do you see things so simply?

You can need proven players in some spots (like the stating lineup) and be able to take gamble on upside for less important roles (like 12th man).

understand?

Wow, it’s extremely refreshing to see a loyal guy like Shawne Williams in today’s NBA. I wouldn’t hold it against him to go out and seek as much money as possible (although to be honest, I’m not sure how much he could actually get on the open market, if any more at all).

But still, gotta love the loyalty and he’s always had a great work ethic. Like Mucha said above as well, he’s probably the only guy on the Knicks who brings any type of toughness to the table as of the moment. He’s a good guy to have on your side.

He’s only an 8th man type of player, but yeah, if he’s taking the minimum then I’d love to have him back.

I guess for Toney Allen it was different because he already has a ring, not like many other vets. He is young and went after the money. The Celtics didn’t think he was that important and didn’t offer him what Toney thought his value was. I thought both the Celtics and Allen made the wrong decision. But what do I know, he and the Grizzles are advancing to the 2nd round in the western conference playoffs and he got his money.

Sean Williams is a D-league player at best. But when Dantoni is comfortable with a player, he overlooks his faults. Look at his man-crush on Duhon and Jefferies.

It’s only crappy draft when your team cannot draft.

We aren’t looking for Howard or Duncan, I’m confident we get some decent big.

I will say this though: Despite the need for good role players such as Williams and a guy like Battier or Anthony Parker, I do think the Knicks really need another player or 2 that can get their own shots off as well.

Neither Amare or Melo is the type of guy to play Point Forward and get 10 assists creating wide open looks for teammates like Lebron or Wade. We need another guy or 2 who you can get the ball to and who can go 1 on 1 and find a way to get a basket or get to the line.

all i gotta say is:

same players, in the same roles= same results…..

I hear ya but I would hope he practices with Dennis Rodman and Moses Malone too to learn how to rebound.

You didn’t really say much., especially nothing that entails ‘complex’ thoughts when compared to my ‘simple’ perspective.

So yea.

I wouldn’t like it, but I think Melo could run the point forward position. He did it game 2, racking up 6 assists and he also did it the second Magic game dropping 8 dimes.

Toney was so tough the Rondo ate him for dinner during the series. He disnt even front him at times.

Crazy that the best game we had defensively was when Billups started on him…. I thought he wasn’t quick enough.

Surely, all teams utilize a small lineup at times and don’t play a center. I’ve never seen a defensive coordinator burst into spontaneous combustion when it occurs. Of course, we don’t have a center to play center and that is the crux of the problem.

Just for my interest, why is Shawne Williams a source of derision when he plays center opposed to other forwards manning the post. He has a 7′ 3″ wingspan and doesn’t back down from anyone. There are plenty of NBA players in the paint at his size and even less. He is a better post defender than Amare, without question. His post defense was not one of our major issues on D.

right toney sucks, and Billups is a defensive stalwart right now…..

Didn’t say that. Toney is a good young player. I am just reminding those who were killing Billups for terrible defense, and for those saying he should start over Billups

Hey like you said reading helps man. Scroll above with your little mouse and find out what I said about Shawne Williams.

Defense should be played at every position. In today’s game, it should be more important to have a good defender at the pg. (You should know that)

With team defense you need to have at least average defensive awareness, Bibby isn’t even average in that department in my opinion. How many rebounds did Rondo average again? What position does he play? How many times did he penetrate the lane?

Before we dive into getting C’s who are absolutely dominant on the boards. Can you explain to me why you prefer a center to play D rather than a point guard ,since not every player has to be a defensive player? If it was me hell, I would want both.

I just think you got caught up in your arguments/opinions and creating these lame excuses. Again I am not attacking you. Just calling it how it is.

Oh and I’m not to worried about a back up PF and rebounding. If Amare can grab 12 rebounds and 19 points with a bad back in the playoffs against the Celtics, he definitely can average 10+ boards in the regular season.

Mike Bibby lol

And what defensive coordinator would play JJ or Shelden Williams on Dwight? Denver never did it, they used Nene and Birdman. Surely Houston didn’t because they didn’t even play JJ. So again, it’s singling out Shawne over two other guys that shouldn’t guard Howard either.

Check Hamed Haddadi, BTW as a possible backup center.

“he definitely can average 10+ boards in the regular season.”

by “definitely can” do you mean never has in 10 seasons……….

so, who should be backup pg? and don’t tell me anthony carter….bibby is a starting caliber pg who can be our backup for 15-20 mpg…….who would you prefer….and remember, we need someone who will play for about the minimum…..

Am I going crazy , but did Melo average 5 assist in the playoffs and he cannot be a considered as a point forward, or whatever you want to call it. Mind you most of the Knicks were struggling from the field not hitting their shots when Melo dished it to them. On top of that, I think Anthony can even play at a higher level than he did in this playoffs.

He also could of had the game winning assist to Jared, but you know how that turned out.

I said Sammy d in waiting.. He’s one year in NYC away from gaining 50 lbs and sucking

Not sure, I am not a GM or a scout but I do not think we should get Mike Bibby. He no longer is starting material and can no longer defend. I don’t know really.

How come this age argument only applies to some players?

Our most glaring need is defense and size ..Dale Bert has a history as a non motivated slacker and is a few weka in NYC away from gaining 50 and being an albatross..

Not to mention he was considered a locker room cancer in Philly.

Players don’t workout to get better?
Players don’t gain experience?
Players don’t build chemistry?
Players don’t recover from injuries?
Players don’t have motivation?

If that was the case the Lakers would have never beat the Celtics and won that championship.

Talk about simplistic approach!
Especially from someone telling me my points are to ‘simple.’

Thank goodness we are hanging onto defensive stopper extraordinaire Bill Walker

Shawne is a great role player. He plays with a lot of heart and reminds me of a 90′s Knick. Plus a big who can actually come out and shoot a 3 is always helpful. He’s a keeper.

Are we? I don’t want Walker back. He’s not gonna be anything more than what he is. He’s a great spot shooter IMO with an occasional game where he shows other facets. Decent end of the bench guy that’s about it…

I think Shawne could be very good second (in a pinch), third or fourth option off the bench. He’s not six man good but he’s definintely better than an 11th man in your ro…

TD is an instinctual guy but he’s not the smartest player. It’s not a knock on him but it is what it is. He can still be very effective in the right role…

Wow you guys are some serious haters. The dude was a 1st round pick. He fudged up and was out of the league and he fought his way back. He can play and he earned his minutes. Give him a little respect. Not saying he’s all nba but he ain’t a D-leaguer either. I’d like to see some of you accomplish what he has…

I think Amare’s off season program should emphasize boards and defense. He’s got enough offense. I don’t know about him adding lower body strength. Part of his huge advantage is how much more athletic he is than the typical PF/C in the league.

im being facetious

no it’s not.

6 foot nine shooting guard with a 7-3 wingspan is size.

what abotu Ryan Hollins as a C?

He’ll certainly be available for much much less than your boy Sammy D .. who BTW.. hasnt averaged more than 10 boards more than once in his long storied career.

Yeah I’d be careful with Dalambert too. I mean he’s been around a minute and maybe finally has matured but it could also backfire on you. I’d sign him in a low risk type of contract.

I know you probably have already heard but… This would be a good start.

Knicks brass may try to force Mike D’Antoni to bring on a defensive-minded assistant coach: sources by Frank Isola

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/04/29/2011-04-29_knicks_seeking_more_d.html?r=sports%2Fbasketball&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball+%28Sports%2FBasketball%29

Samuel Dalembert is the guy first of all and he’s nothing like Eddy Curry.

he hit the biggest one’s in game one and two….

Dantoni didnt have to play him…