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With the 17th Pick, the New York Knicks Select…

by Tommy Dee on May 25th, 2011 at 10:24 am

Based on the best players who will still be on the board, in my world it’s:

Slightly over Charles Jenkins who, a source tells TKB, is being avoided in workouts based on their agents’ suggestions, by Jimmer Fredette and Nolan Smith.

Jackson has Rondo-length and passing ability but he can score with more range. Rondo is a better defender and blended exceptionally with the stars in his rookie season. It’s an easy place for Jackson to succeed right off the bat. He and Douglas, length-wise, can also play on the floor together, which is a huge asset as well.

Plus he could be a key piece in getting Chris Paul without Selby’s downside. Jackson is a safe pick and if the deal doesn’t happen, he’s an instant impact rotation player at a need position. I feel for sure that Singleton will be gone as will Klay Thompson.

You may ask why not Faried and I will say this. He simply cannot be on the floor at the same time during important minutes with Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. As great a rebounder as he is, at the NBA level, that’s asking way too much. Sure, he’d be a great depth player but there is guard heavy talent in this draft and you need an impact player who can give you the option of being on the floor at the end of games up front. The Knicks will have to explore the size need via free agency or at the second half of the draft by snagging a later pick.

And I will go a step further. I’m making a deal with the Maloof brothers and somehow getting my hands on the 35th pick and I’m deciding between 4 players at this point assuming one will still be there. Jeremy Tyler, Chandler Parsons, Malcolm Lee or Jon Leuer.

That’s where I’m at- at this point.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UFNUQHPO6XBPWDY6YBZ2ZKQ44M Tom

    Your reasoning makes sense, but I just don’t see us taking a guard who has such a bad jump shot.

  • Anonymous

    Jackson would be a solid pick imo.

  • Anonymous

    We should try calling the Bulls fir the 28 or 30. They have no use for both with 10 guaranteed contracts in 2011-2012

  • Michael Segal

    Shots can be developed…when looking at a player at the guard position we should be looking at the ability to create and defend as the first priority which Jackson can clearly do.  He has the confidence to take shots and as we have seen with Douglas from year 1 to 2 his shot can develop and become an integral part of his game.  We have a combo guard in Douglas, the Knicks should be looking at a true point guard which Jackson will be the best available left on the board or at a big.  The bigs have a drop off after the Europeans and Morris twins thus guard at 17 is likely going to be the selection.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UFNUQHPO6XBPWDY6YBZ2ZKQ44M Tom

    I don’t disagree with anything you said – my point is that I’m skeptical D’Antoni would endorse a #17 pick on a PG with a terrible jumper now.  I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I don’t see this pick happening for that reason.

  • Anonymous

    he has a “terrible” jump shot? That’s news to me. he’s improved his shooting every year. Rondo has a “terrible” jump shot. Jackson is Dirk compared to Rondo

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TMPGTAOG3D3J263QBEHVSSOCGY Mike C

    Him Jackson and Douglas would give teams hell in the back court. Their speed would  create havoc. 

    I also like Vuvecic if he is there at 35, but he will most likely go late first. I think he is highly underrated. He averaged 18 pts and 10 reb at a bcs school and has center height and wingspan. He needs to add weight, but were saying that about almost everybody. He can get up and down and an above average jumpshot. I think he should be in the discussion at 17 depending who is left. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDMCW6W47JRZ4NHWT3NGSVSLUU RUBE

    Why Jackson over Morris? Morris is taller with a way better ast/to ratio. Any pt guard drafted by Knicks should be floor general first, scorer 2nd in my opinion. Just curious; what makes Jackson better prospect? I’ve never seen either play.

  • Anonymous

    Jerome Tyler At this point will go in the lowtwenties of the first round.
    No way he gets past Portland or Houston at 23

    I would take him at 17 the go PG late with Malcolm lee or Nolan Smith

  • OLD KNICK

    How much do you guys know of this guy???

    Bismack Biyambo, Fuenlabrada (Spain)
    Another 19-year-old who figures to grow at least an inch or two (his
    wingspan is an incredible 7-foot-7), he will be one of the most
    scrutinized big men at the adidas draft camp in Treviso, Italy, from
    June 11-13. Though he is especially raw offensively, he has been a
    rebounding and shot-blocking machine in the Spanish ACB league, the top
    domestic league in Europe. At the Nike Hoop Summit last month in
    Portland, Biyambo wowed scouts with a triple-double of 12 points, 11
    rebounds an 10 blocks in just 28 minutes. Scouts love his athleticism,
    his energy, his NBA body and his toughness, and have compared him to the
    likes of Ben Wallace and his countryman from the Congo, Serge Ibaka.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UFNUQHPO6XBPWDY6YBZ2ZKQ44M Tom

    That’s my mistake – I neglected his most recent year foolishly and just saw his numbers from his first two – where he shot less than 30% from College three.  He did significantly improve, my mistake. 

    Oh and I think half us commentators are Dirk compared to Rondo.  

  • Anonymous

    And if we gut the roster again for chris Paul this time I don’t want to hear ANY excuses that this “coach” needs more time with “a complete roster”

    There is really no chance of paul coming here via trade.. we don’t have the pieces to absorb okafor with him from a salary standpoint.. And I doubt the league allows the Hornets to be broken up whilst they own them..

    It’s more likely that Nola gets contracted and the players go into a dispersal draft

  • http://twitter.com/TwoSevenStreet Nelson Ortiz

    I see the team “Reaching” on Malcolm Lee or Selby per Billups feedback (which won’t sit well with NAC cause he hates billups).

    I put it in quotation marks because I dont feel that talent like theirs is a reach at all.

    Blackwood actually came up with an interesting proposal that could be great if tweaked some. He proposed we trade 17 + Fields for Larry Sanders, but I feel a much better trade is for both teams considering that the Bucks are shopping Jennings would be:

    17 + Fields + Douglas for Sanders + Jennings + their 2nd rd pick

  • Anonymous

    I’d do that and try and get the Kings’ pick for cheap, they don’t really need any more youth.

    I’d also try to see what Toney can fetch as far as picks if we’re going to draft Jackson.

  • Anonymous

    100% agree.  Point guard is a position that needs to be settled for the future and having Billups in 2011-2012 would allow that player to ease in and progress under veteran leadership.  Of the point guards not named Irving, Knight, or Walker – Jackson seems to be the guy most able to turn into an impact player.  Great length, great speed and athleticism and – especially considering that he was B.C’s primary threat – he showed the ability to involve his teammates with 4.5 assists/game in each of the last two seasons.   Love the pick and hope it happens in June.

  • Guest

    Charles Jenkins At # 17 and Vucevic with a late first rond pick that Donnie acquires.

  • Anonymous

    He’d be my pick, but from what I’m hearing he’s going in the lottery.
    Also, no one is sure of his age. There are rumors going around that he’s like 24/25

  • Anonymous

    Not sure how thats a good trade for the Bucks. They would be giving up a starting PG with all-star potential on his rookie contract AND a developmental C for a combo guard, a backup SF/SG, and a draft pick. I don’t think we have the assets to trade for Jennings.

  • Anonymous

     I would be shocked if Tyler went 1st round…still a lot of ?s. But possible.

  • Anonymous

    Granted I only saw them during the Big  10 and ACC Conference Tournaments, but I think the consensus is that while Morris is a better floor general – he doesn’t offer much in terms of shooting.  Jackson, while a rawer ball-handler and passer, is more athletic, has that ridiculous wing span, and can stretch the defense.  I’m sure somebody else could provide a better answer though

  • Anonymous

    …….Dropkick Murphys made this into a great highlight…..

  • Anonymous

    I would be surprised if the Cavs kept all of their picks as well. Especially considering all of the young players that they are already developing such as Samuels, Erden, Harangody, Eyenga, Harris, etc. Can’t imagine they want to add two more second round picks.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think you can go wrong at 17 with either him or Jenkins.

  • Anonymous

    Def top 10 but if he falls out of it, I would def trade up for him. He seems like a future Ibaka/Wallace

  • Anonymous

    If I were GM, the 17th pick would be a point guard and not a big. The draft has several solid PG’s that will be there to choose from. The free agent market will not yield a backup PG better than TJ Ford. With Billups missing multiple games with a bruise and a strain, we need to focus there first.

    To reach for a big there would be unwise. There are several solid free agents that will outproduce Tyler and the rest. You could get a Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, Chuck Hayes, Josh McRoberts, Nenad Krstic, Fesenko, Foster, Thomas, Mohammed, Hollins, Brown, Haddadi, or Collins for about what you would pay the 17th pick.

    If we can buy a pick and get a big, great. We still need to find a veteran center to stick in the middle, while the draft pick develops. Big men draft picks are not a sure thing.

  • Anonymous

    If Klay Thompson is gone Vucevic more than likely would be the the most highest rated player based on need (center), being NBA ready, and being a perfect fit for the Knicks present offense. Drafting Vucevic and buying a late 1st/early 2nd round pick to use on Ben Hansbrough would warm me to Walsh 2nd only to his wife!

  • Anonymous

    Jeremy Tyler+Malcolm Lee would probably my preferred draft

    Nice call by Nelson Ortiz down low….Josh Selby and Malcolm Lee will def get slot of attention by the F.O as they both worked out with Chauncey

  • Anonymous

    After watching the Boston series with Amare and Billups out, I’d say you can’t gut a team that has already been gutted. There are only so many guts to go around.

    Paul to NY is very unlikely for all the reasons you mention.

  • Michael Segal

    Currently Chad Ford in his Mock Draft has players such as Klay Thompson and Donatas Montiejunas falling to 18 and 21 respectively.  Is there any way the Knicks would pass on either of these players if they fell to the Knicks at 17?  Klay Thompson is a real shooter second only to Jimmer Fredette and would be an instant help spreading the floor.  With the Knicks need for size can they afford to let Montiejunas slip past them despite the fact that he is probably a year or two away from being most able to contribute at a high level.  Thoughts?

  • Anonymous

    The good thing about this draft is that we should be able to draft the best player available, while still addressing a need. The ONLY position we are solid at is SF. We still need a backup PG, starting SG, backup PF, and a C.

  • http://www.iheartanthony.com Anthony Salvagno

    I think you really hit the point there with NOLA being owned by the NBA. People made a stink out of the carl landry trade (cough *Mark Cuban* cough), there is no way CP3 get’s traded until there is an owner in place and even then why would a new owner want to trade his only marketable player?

  • http://twitter.com/TheManchine SB

    Trade Douglas, Walker and #17 to move up and get a better PG in my opinion.

    Sign Dalembert and an Arroyo-type PG.

    Rookie PG
    Billups
    Melo
    A’mare
    Dalembert
    —————–
    Fields
    Turiaf
    Shawn Williams
    Arroyo-type
    Jerome Jordan

  • Anonymous

    No thanks to Montiejunas. No defense or rebounding.

    I don’t prefer Thompson, but if it were to happen I would understand

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSB6OENWR2NN6PS7WMNUK3HB2Q Mo

    I’d agree and see if they can get a late round draft pick.
     
      With the 17th pick they should take a chance on a guy like Shelby who is being compared to a Russell Westbrook. He was in the wrong system according to scouts,otherwise would of been in lottery. There is downside to him,but there is always downside to any pick, look at Oden,nothing is a sure thing. The 17th pick allows you to have a longer leash and be more risky than having the #1 to #10 pick. Imagine Westbrook talent at #17. Take advantage of him having a low value and capitalize, thats the only way to build a championship team. Would the Celtics have their run if they didn’t get Rondo the end of the 1st round?
     
     With their 2nd pick they should go after centers like Jeremy Tyler and Nogueira, who cant contribute right away but can become a force like DeAndre Jordan,who goy picked in the 2nd round by the Clippers and is a big part of the future with Blake Griffen. As New Yorkers we need to stop wanting instant results and take chances on guys, guys we passed up such as Stat when he was drafted and Bynum.

  • Anonymous

    Thompson might even be a better shooter than Fredette. I can’t imagine the Knicks would pass on him. He is a high IQ player, a great shooter, a good passer, and has the size to play SG.

  • Anonymous

    I think the pick at 17 should be dependent on whether they can buy another late 1st rounder. If they can (and know that they can), go best talent regardless of position. Then, go best need talent.

    If they are only going to have #17, I think need (Size/PG/Shooting) may have to win out over talent. If the “Best Player Available” is a Slashing SF, can we really afford to draft that guy with other glaring needs?

    I like Jenkins, One of the Morris Twins, or Singleton at #17 and Tyler, Jordan Williams or Nolan Smith with a late Round #1/Early #2

  • Anonymous

    I we come out of this with a real PG prospect and a legit big man prospect It’ll be a win

    Is there a significant difference between Jackson And Malcom lee or Nolan smith?

  • Anonymous

    Jackson is a more offensively skilled player, who is equally skilled/adept on the defensive side of the court where as Morris offensive skills (especially his jump shot) is below average! Morris is a 2nd round pick in a “weak draft”, so weak that you yourself admit that you never seen him play! Neither have many others who continue to mention him as someone deserving 1st round consideration!

  • Michael Segal

    I would agree and when assessing the Knicks needs I would classify them as C and shooter coming from any position.  The Knicks offense is going to run through Melo alot next year and be based upon his ability to draw double teams and kick to open shooters. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CD3WX6PJBFNKKDETWKLTRL2OTQ Chris

    I’ve come to the realization that no matter what I am going to be sad, angry or depressed after the Knicks make their selection, history is on my side. 

  • Anonymous

    NO on Biyambo!

  • http://twitter.com/Manolo_VMG Manolo Poppington

    think the knicks should try everything in their power to get CP3 before the season even starts…If he doesn’t sign the extension in july, NO has to trade him before the season, so they don’t have to deal with what Denver just did w/ all the MeloDrama….Wonder if we can add Denver into the equation to kind of make all parties a lil happier…maybe trade Billups back to Denver, have Denver ship Felton(who wants to start) to NO, and send Fields, and Selby(the 17th pick) to NO for CP3, and of course throw in pieces to make the salaries match…. “

  • Anonymous

    To be honest……I don’t know what to think anymore, as far as which way we’ll go; every team is putting out BS about what they’re thinking, trying to bluff n blow smoke….a lot will be based on who’s left when we come up, so I’m thinking we’ll prob take the proverbial BAP at a NEED position

  • Anonymous

    Tommy on this we have been in 100% agreement. If we kept the pick & took Reggie I would be more then fine with it no matter what he becomes.

  • Anonymous

    Biyambo is already dropping! In this weak draft he will go no higher than the 20th pick (Minn.). I say somewhere between 20 and 23!

  • Anonymous

    I’ve read that he is a bad defender fundamentally

  • Anonymous

    Because he REALLY cant shoot lol while Jackson is far more dynamic as a player & far more explosive plus Reggie has a 7+ wing span which means havoc in the passing lanes.

  • Anonymous

    Still like Ben Hansbrough over him!

  • Anonymous

     lee isn’t a great shooter at this point. Smith has a lower lead guard ceiling than Jackson and doesn’t have his length and ability. Smith/Lee= project, to me, as nice rotation players. Jackson= lead guard potential a la rondo.

  • Anonymous

    What if Walsh can’t acquire a late 1st round pick? Besides Vucevic will go mid-late teens!

  • Anonymous

    I have said the same all along if we can get a legit (legit meaning real roll player that fits) big & guard its a win.

    I have always said I would never be mad if Smith was taken because he has only ever won & been great doing it but Reggie is a dynamic more explosive player & nothing like having a guard with a 7+ wing span to disrupt the passing lanes.

    Smith & Lee project as solid players but basically what you see is what you get AKA limited upside or growth.

  • Anonymous

    Not at 17! Besides i don’t think Jenkins is a better prospect than Selby!

  • Anonymous

    Why not?

  • Anonymous

    Really? From what I read he has pretty good instincts, but he lacks elite athleticism or lateral quickness. I think this team desperately needs a true SG guard though. Fields, Walker, and Mason were beyond awful in the playoffs.

  • Anonymous

    There’s only one player on that list worth having-Kris Humphries-and he’s a “PF!”

  • Anonymous

     And if we gut the roster again for chris Paul this time I don’t want to
    hear ANY excuses that this “coach” needs more time with “a complete
    roster”

    but you’re more than fine with the grace period a potential next coach will get getting to know the roster and implementing his system?

    Seems contradictory.

  • Anonymous

    No chance he drops that far, unless it is discovered that he is really 25 and not 18. I would be shocked if he fell out of the lottery, and if he does I can’t imagine he gets past the Knicks.

  • Anonymous

    Trust me Nelson if I thought we could get Jennings (who should already be a Knick) I would of offered up a hypothetical approach but I just cant see what we have that would get us Jennings. If he is traded trust me it is in a package that has the other team taking on one of there bad contracts & netting them a first rd pick. 

    Something is making me think that the Cavs may make a move on Jennings after going after Gay with the 4th pick! They could take Kanter #1 then trade the 4th pick for Jennings & really make a splash.

    But again Sanders is really a player that would fill a need for us as he develops. His situation reminds me a lot of when J.O’neal was trapped on Portland’s bench, not saying there the same players just saying same kind of dynamic.  

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone see Smith against Jackson when they played this year?
    Just one game, but Smith destroyed him.

  • Anonymous

    Some people are saying he’s older than you, old knick.

  • Anonymous

    No way those guys make the same as the 17th pick, I have been calling for Reggie Evans even during the season & would look to try & sign him weather we drafted a big or not. but some of those guys are not worth the money anyway, McRoberts I like Nenad is a door mat, Mohammed will get paid some where, Hollins is a so/so stop gap as is Foster.

  • Anonymous

    Yea I see Klay being long gone by the time we pick!

  • Anonymous

    We absolutely need an additional pick.
    If by chance any of the centers fall to 17, then we need to take him, as long as we use that second pick on a PG.
    But if we don’t get another pick, then PG would have to be it at 17.
    If that is the case, I would agree with you about Jackson.
    Totally agree about Faried.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t remember who reported that Faried did poorly in the interview process, but with everyone saying how great a kid he is, I wonder how that can be so……..

  • Anonymous

    Dude’s release reminds me of Sanaa Lathan in Love & Basketball

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6PPUXQPP4J5LXRAT5WFSZ3I33E tutman

    No way, Charles Jenkins is the Man at #17, if Bismack Biyombo and Kenneth Faried is off the board. And I agree with making a deal with the Kings for the 35th pick for,Jeremy Tyler or Lucas Norueira, a BIG that we NEED…….

  • Anonymous

    Smith pretty much destroyed everybody he played lol the guy is talented that is why I always said if the took him I would understand. His great defense was a problem for every guard! The thing is that what needs to be judged is weather or not you have seen pretty much the best that player can offer or is there more room to grow which is where the term upside comes in to play.

  • Anonymous

    “Thompson’s effort level on the defensive end has improved during his time in college, and he shows solid awareness and makes good rotations off the ball, but his lack of quickness is certainly something that can be exploited. His problems can be hid somewhat on good defensive teams, and his apparent effort level and capacity for playing good team defense will certainly be useful, though he’d have a lot of work to do to even become an average NBA defender overall.

    Thompson’s defensive problems should be equally pronounced at either the shooting guard or small forward positions, and the questions for teams will be how much can they coach him up and whether his offensive strengths do enough to outweigh his defensive shortcomings. His progress as a junior and strong season overall definitely quell those concerns, at least somewhat.”

    http://www.draftexpress.com

  • Anonymous

     players do not get drafted based on head to head games. Duke was much better than BC. plus they were home. can’t compare based off that. Impressive performance but not one that is really that telling.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe we are purchasing/making picks for NO…Interesting. Although, if he were available, I’m sure teams would be willing to offer there lottery pick…

  • Anonymous

    I think this draft as far as defense shot blocking & rebounding is way to weak for him to end up down that far. Not that im saying he is great just saying this draft will force a team at the top of the draft to roll the dice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UDLYIEUWF7JBPHJXQ4QQ6Q6NK4 Chris

    I really want the Knicks to get Malcolm Lee, he can be very good back-up pg and sg. You can put him in the back court with TD, on offense TD can play the 2 n Lee the 1, then switch it up D

    http://youtu.be/gUIlDiHEPTA

  • Anonymous

    Jenkins>Selby

  • Anonymous

    When Duke is rolling they can make any team/player look bad! Smith more so benefited from Duke’s system as he was a senior and their first option, but Smith is not a play maker and his jump shot is average “for a college player!”

  • Anonymous

    The 17th will make $1.34 million. Most of the guys above were under $3 million or on overpriced contracts. I’d just rather get someone who you can count on to play at the 5. Drafting a rookie to play in the post is risky. We need a sure thing. Reggie Evans would be great. These are just players that are in our price range.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, thats pretty much what I thought. He is smart and has good awareness defensively, but he lacks the lateral quickness to keep up with faster guards. I know it sounds hypocritical considering I have been saying that we need to find a 2 that plays good defense, but I think Thompson is too good to pass on at 17. I don’t like passing on a guy who is clearly the best player available (which he would be imo) especially if he at least partially fits one of the Knicks holes.

  • Anonymous

    God I hope Singleton is gone so we don’t draft another player at the only positions that we have filled

  • Anonymous

    You have to also factor in unless im wrong that after a certain amount of time in the league there is a vet minimum, or am I wrong about that? (not sure but I think so) & I am all for Evans no matter what but weather or not a young big will be a project those are the type of projects & educated projections that are needed to fill out a team. I get what your saying we are not to far from the same page.

  • Guest

    No way.

  • Anonymous

    Biyambo offensive skills are real limited, right now he is just useful on the defensive end of the floor, do the Knicks really want to draft a player that will force the Knicks to play “4 on 5?” Think JJ on steroids! Point #2, Miami will be the team to beat for the next 5+ years, they are solid at the 2, 3, and 4, reports on Pittman is that he will soon be ready, if Miami (Riley) find a way somehow to get a young above average pg (be it in this draft or by FA signing) they will become almost unbeatable! I said almost because i believe the Knicks can beat Miami but they would have to be able to put on the court 5 players that can go toe to toe with them offensively and defensively at every position! Biyambo can’t guard Pittman and Pitman at 300+ lbs would not have to worry about guarding him! That why I’m so high on Vucevic, Vucevic length would bother Pittman but also a player with Vucevic’s skill set Pittman could not guard! Vucevic, Amare, and Mello is a better match against Pittman, Bosh and LBJ! The Knicks must also find a player who could match up against Wade (Caron Butler) and Miami’s pg but I would rather solidify my front line with a 2 way player like Vucevic than a raw one way player in Biyambo! 

  • Anonymous

    Klay Thompson is Reggie Miller 2.0! There is no way Walsh let him slip by!

  • http://twitter.com/TwoSevenStreet Nelson Ortiz

    I guess I was having some wishful thinking on my proposal, but I like yours not doubt….

    I should probably recant and say that that proposal favors us much more than it does them.

    but no doubt your Idea of sanders being better than anything available at 17 is pretty much spot on.

    If Sanders gains 20 lbs he could Noah-Lite

    The more I think about it though I am hesitant to make any trade involving Fields. As it stands right now he is probably our only valuable young asset, naturally if Fields plus 17 can net us a legit future PG or a 1st rd pick + a big with potentially i am all for it. Just as an example Fields to philly 16 + speights to ny

  • Guest

    It is not contradictory at all.First of all we can get Chris Paul as a complete free agent
    and give nothing to New Orleans If CP3 Really wants to come to NY.He just has to tell other teams he will not sign.

    A new coach will have to stress defense and Pringles will never do that.Even with CP3 we will not be as good as the Miami Heat but we will be competitive.

    Do you have any thoughts on how the Lakers and 14 other teams at $68-93 million will get under the cap?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know. Seems to lack a little versatility. He’s awfully right heavy. I’d force him to his left all day. 
    There’s something forgettably Toney Douglas about him as well. 
    I think it’s his jumper.

    Draft is PG heavy.
    I’d scourer around a bit more before I settled on Jackson.

  • Anonymous

    It will depend on that teams need! But we shall see!

  • Anonymous

    Not really.. _antoni has received a longer “grace period” than any coach in the history of this town.. He’s been evaluated for three years based On everything BUT wins and losses.. Now is his year tO put up or step down.

    But make no mistake, a new coach is going to have to produce right away.. There are no more grace periods when amare and melo’s prime is on the clock..
    I don’t think that is unreasonable.. Look what mid saeaso replacement coAches did just this year. The thought that you need this lengthy adjustment period is just an excuse

  • Anonymous

    Black, there is no upside to Jenkins he is what he is, what you see is what you will get! On the other hand Selby is not even close to his ceiling! In 2 years he could be Rose 2.0! 

  • Anonymous

    I shoot left handed (my UN-natural hand) better than Faried shoots with his natural shooting hand! 

  • Anonymous

    you think Kris Humphries will get a 1.35 million dollar contract?  Not with a high maint Kardashian 

    Naz MOnhammed?  come on Fields.  Biyombo or Tyler has multiple times more potential and would be a much better defender right away

  • http://twitter.com/TwoSevenStreet Nelson Ortiz

    Not Voice of Reason relax bro, as it stands we need to make a list of all the players we like and take the best one available at 17. sorry to break it to you Hanbrough should not be on that list.

    In my OPINION it will be harder to get a backup PG/future starter in Free Agency than it will to get a Banger C/PF so my list of players i want for 17 would be mostly pgs and sgs

    Bigs that will bang that will be available:

    Reggie Evans
    Hilton Armstrong
    Kwame Brown
    Jason Collins

    those guys are better than pretty any big we will be able to get at 17. As far as the draftee bigs that can be had late first early second if we cant get one of those picks than I can live with a Center rotation of:

    Kwame Brown
    Reggie Evans
    Ronny Turiaf

  • http://twitter.com/TwoSevenStreet Nelson Ortiz

    These are my exact sentiments, Bigs that can get the job done for us can be had in FA while a backup pg/future starting pg will not

  • Anonymous

    AMEN Brother, AMEN!

  • Anonymous

    Biyombo can hit a layup.. Jeffries can not.  bad comparison.  Having a defensive presence that sets picks and is around the rim for offensive boards and put backs isnt a bad thing.. Not everyone needs to shoot threes.. 

  • Anonymous

    We need a rondo more than we need a rose

  • http://www.youtube.com/tharealest62qb DaGawD

    with the 17th pick the NEW YORK KNICKS select a player thats not known or wasn’t on any 1′s rader, the crowd boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Anonymous

    i think the NYK draft nikola vuceevic from usc 6’11 c/pf at 17 get sactown second round draft chanler parsons and sign sebastion telfair

  • Anonymous

    Only if Vucevic and Klay Thompson is gone. Lee could match up against Wade! Also Lee reminds of me Jamal Crawford only Lee’s is bigger and more of a complete player, also a way better defender. I guess what i mean to say is that Lee is a more complete Jamal Crawford. I still remember Crawford putting up 50 on Wade, that was nasty!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BJTD7K36QTWRAPU7MHUKAWE3YE NoVaCaInE

    “Smith is not a play maker and his jump shot is average “for a college player!” ”

    LOL! You couldn’t be more wrong @VOR01:disqus

  • http://twitter.com/TwoSevenStreet Nelson Ortiz

    Selby and Malcolm Lee both seem like they got into the wrong systems for there skill sets….. Getting both of them would be absolutely great

    Unfortunately we dont have a 2nd pick but many believe it can be bought

    I personally want to try and get a late 1st and early 2nd added onto our 17

    Lee + Selby + Tyler makes the most sense as either Lee or Selby will be the PG of the future and the other will split time with Douglas as our SG of the future. I want to see a team where fields gets majority of his minutes at SF and Shawne Williams can play that Stretch 4 off the bench

    Billups-Lee-Carter
    Douglas-Selby-?
    Melo-Fields-Jeffries
    STAT-Shawne-Evans
    Kwame-Turiaf-Tyler

    ?= Derrick Brown or Bill Walker or Anthony Parker or Delonte West

  • Anonymous

    No not at pick #17 your right!

  • Anonymous

    Kwame Brown, Reggie Evans, and Turiaf as the Knicks center rotation in 20111-2012, have you lost your mind? The Knicks goal should be to make it to the finals not to field a 12/15 man roster!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for being open minded enough to see what I was saying is rooted in reality not just me cheer leading for Sanders. The guy has great skill sets for what we need at center while still growing in to his body, as well as still having great up side.

    Thing with Fields is that while I respect his hard work & effort we have to put ourselves in the shoes of other GM’s & ask ourselves what is his worth to others & not let the fact that he is on our team sway the true worth no what I mean?

  • Anonymous

    Those two guys, especially Tyler, is a lot further away than you think!

  • Anonymous

    Jenkins is “NOT CLOSE” to a Rondo!

  • Anonymous

    Pass on Parsons. Sounds like you miss Gallo. Youtube Gallo and get your Gallo fix in! Parsons is so underwhelming it’s not funny! 

  • Anonymous

    Pass on Parsons. Sounds like you miss Gallo. Youtube Gallo and get your Gallo fix in! Parsons is so underwhelming it’s not funny! 

  • Anonymous

    Pass on Parsons. Sounds like you miss Gallo. Youtube Gallo and get your Gallo fix in! Parsons is so underwhelming it’s not funny! 

  • Anonymous

    I understand what your saying & it is possible Selby could end up being a lot of things but I just dont feel his game. Talented sure but we cant really say he has a set skill to count on just the possibility of what he can become. Jenkins that jumper is water he is powerfully built so while there may not be much more upside at least you know what your getting.

    To be honest I take Brooks over both of them if I’m rolling the dice on upside & known skill sets.

  • Anonymous

    I understand what your saying & it is possible Selby could end up being a lot of things but I just dont feel his game. Talented sure but we cant really say he has a set skill to count on just the possibility of what he can become. Jenkins that jumper is water he is powerfully built so while there may not be much more upside at least you know what your getting.

    To be honest I take Brooks over both of them if I’m rolling the dice on upside & known skill sets.

  • Anonymous

    NYK should aquire OMRI CASSPI from sac for cash .He is good two way forward 3/4. nice shot defends rebounds. unhappy in sac town .good fit in ny..

  • Anonymous

    Will grow another inch or two, yeah right! If i had a Benjamin for every time that was said (by a player’s agent no doubt) I would be on Spree’s foreclosed yacht (having purchased it-straight cash homey) sailing the west Indian coast!

  • Anonymous

    Will grow another inch or two, yeah right! If i had a Benjamin for every time that was said (by a player’s agent no doubt) I would be on Spree’s foreclosed yacht (having purchased it-straight cash homey) sailing the west Indian coast!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3RGKXYRB3RFODDMZLHZFE7JGFE NAC

    No way in hell is Jennings worth the 4th pick

  • http://twitter.com/MiRo9993 Magical Mann

    NOO! Josh Selby is BETTER

  • http://twitter.com/MiRo9993 Magical Mann

    NOO! Josh Selby is BETTER

  • Anonymous

    td, i agree with you for the most part. i would love to add rj!!
    but after watching some video of selby i wonder if the knicks will have a major debate over which PG they must take at 17; he does have some raw skill and he appears to be working at a high clip to improve his position. plus, i think they would buy jajuan j in the 2nd round if he is available.

  • Anonymous

    First TOmmy- Why is Keith Benson not on your list?  He has just as much potential as any of those guys in the second.  In fact he is best shot blocker in the draft!! THe kid simply needs to gain wieght but how many skinny Centers have succeeded in the NBA.  Camby, Noah, Chandler, Sammy D, etc.  He is closer than Jeremy Tyler who has impressive length but headbutted a guy and has character and maturity concerns.  And why Malcolm Lee isnt that another guard?  So you would take a point guard in the first and another point guard in the second?  Suspect.

    Second, Thank you for making everyones point finally about Jimmer and Faried.  Jimmer is avoiding players who would eat him up on defense bad sign Folks.  Lets stay away.  Also, Faried is just tooo short he is 6″6 and 217 pounds so he is short and not exceptionally strong either.  Lets pass folks.  

    I think a good bet in the first is choosing between three guards:

    Reggie Jackson, Jenkins, and Morris

    Second Round,

    Benson or Tyler.

    I still insist that the knicks have bunch of needs and should trade down with the bulls 17 for 28 and 30.  At 28 one of these 3 should be there.  Then trade for the 35th pick.  The knicks don’t have the luxury of cap space so they got to get contributors from the draft.  

  • Agees_Catch

    Faried!!!.  Somone has to board

  • Agees_Catch

    Faried!!!.  Somone has to board

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OEBRMVCIRNOIQ2RLAMBZFAF34 Nedi Goga

    Post of the day. Stop making sense.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OEBRMVCIRNOIQ2RLAMBZFAF34 Nedi Goga

    J. Tyler will be the best player of the 2011 draft 3 yrs from now. Isiah thomas told me so.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OEBRMVCIRNOIQ2RLAMBZFAF34 Nedi Goga

    J. Tyler will be the best player of the 2011 draft 3 yrs from now. Isiah thomas told me so.

  • Anonymous

    The Knicks are going to work out Selby they are not going to work out Jackson, theres your answer!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3RGKXYRB3RFODDMZLHZFE7JGFE NAC

    Is Jackson working out with anyone? Speculation is that he received a guarantee, and high.

  • Anonymous

    Jennings or Knight, thats not even close, Jennings all day everyday!

  • Anonymous

    Jennings or Knight, thats not even close, Jennings all day everyday!

  • Anonymous

    I know that Selby is a “high risk high reward” type of player based on the lack of definition to his game that could be gathered from his time at Kansas-he was suspended and missed the start of the season and then played with an injury during the year-also it did not appear that he had a defined role other than to “go in the game and score” (this was one of Self’s worst coaching years at Kansas), but his skills are off the charts Man. Again, that’s why you work these guys out. They will bring in all those guys (except Jackson) and the player that looks to excel in MD’s system will be their guy! Mind you if they bring in Vucevic it will be a RAP! 

  • Anonymous

    I know that Selby is a “high risk high reward” type of player based on the lack of definition to his game that could be gathered from his time at Kansas-he was suspended and missed the start of the season and then played with an injury during the year-also it did not appear that he had a defined role other than to “go in the game and score” (this was one of Self’s worst coaching years at Kansas), but his skills are off the charts Man. Again, that’s why you work these guys out. They will bring in all those guys (except Jackson) and the player that looks to excel in MD’s system will be their guy! Mind you if they bring in Vucevic it will be a RAP! 

  • Anonymous

    Selby in the P&R or Jenkins in the P&R, I’ll take Selby!

  • Anonymous

    That was my point to Knicks613, that the Knicks will not have a debate that will include Jackson because he will not include the knicks (in workouts and interviews)!

  • Anonymous

    You can also add “confused” to that list.

  • Anonymous

    Rose, Mello, and Amare>Rondo, Mello, Amare!

  • Anonymous

    We’ll see DOLLARMIKE, we’ll see!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KEEVSKOJWG734BMUVFLBOEGOLI Anand

    bleacher report leaked chad ford’s mock #3; has NY running with Selby…. id be THRILLED with selby, singleton for some defense, or a legit center.

    1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving, PG, Duke
    2. Minnesota Timberwolves: Derrick Williams, F, Arizona
    3. Utah Jazz: Brandon Knight, PG, Kentucky
    4. Cleveland Cavaliers: Enes Kanter, F, Turkey
    5. Toronto Raptors: Jan Vesely, F, Czech Republic
    6. Washington Wizards: Kawhi Leonard, F, San Diego State
    7. Sacramento Kings: Kemba Walker, G, Connecticut
    8. Detroit Pistons: Jonas Valanciunas, F, Lithuania
    9. Charlotte Bobcats: Bismack Biyombo, F, Congo
    10. Milwaukee Bucks: Tristan Thompson, F, Texas
    11. Golden State Warriors: Marcus Morris, F, Kansas
    12. Utah Jazz: Chris Singleton, F, Florida State
    13. Phoenix Suns: Alec Burks, G, Colorado
    14. Houston Rockets: Jordan Hamilton, F, Texas
    15. Indiana Pacers: Jimmer Fredette, G, BYU
    16. Philadelphia 76ers: Markieff Morris, F, Kansas
    17. New York Knicks: Josh Selby, G, Kansas
    18. Washington Wizards: Klay Thompson, G, Washington State
    19. Charlotte Bobcats: Marshon Brooks, G, Providence
    20. Minnesota Timberwolves: Donatas Motiejunas, F, Lithuania
    21. Portland Trail Blazers: Kenneth Faried, F, Morehead State
    22. Denver Nuggets: Tobias Harris, F, Tennessee
    23. Houston Rockets: Reggie Jackson, G, Boston College
    24. Oklahoma City Thunder: Nikola Mirotic, F, Serbia
    25. Boston Celtics: Nikola Vucevic, C, USC
    26. Dallas Mavericks: Davis Bertans, F, Latvia
    27. New Jersey Nets: Justin Harper, F, Richmond
    28. Chicago Bulls: Tyler Honeycutt, F, UCLA
    29. San Antonio Spurs: Jeremy Tyler, F, Tokyo Apache
    30. Chicago Bulls: Charles Jenkins, G, Hofstra

  • Anonymous

    lol VOR that dude just like to play antagonist thats why I did not bother to answer him. I mean just read some of the stuff he says lol he is ether just an antagonist or his avatar is really what he is lol.

  • Anonymous

    You could be right my friend I dont deny that at all but like I said to be honest I would take Brooks over both of them if im going with upside. That Nick Young type of game he has is impressive & he is another guard with a 7+ wing span.

  • Anonymous

    That’s the most undersized SG rotation in the NBA

  • Anonymous

    I hear u guys say Klay Thompson, we need a PG that can run the pick and roll effective more then a shooter and if you take the right guard..you can get BOTH of those qualities. We need a shooter at ANY position. So draft either the best big or guard get a 2nd rounder and take Justin Harper or Jon Luer. Those 2 guys can shoot just as good as Klay and help on defense with their size.

    Use the draft for talent, use FA to draft bruisers. Rookies aren’t allowed to be tough guys.

    Reggie at 17. Harper in the 2nd round pick. Sign the best big. Call it a day.

    Goal is to have teams pay for double teaming Amare/Melo while having size on defense.

  • Anonymous

    Now I’ve heard everything.
    So you wouldn’t want to take a Rose with the 17th pick… 
     

  • Anonymous

    He’s probably going in the lottery but if he’s around I would definitely pick him.
    Bismack Biyombo is just what we need beside Amare, and will really shore up our defense and our rebounding. if we can get him and Malcolm Lee, I call it the best draft we have had in a LONG time.

  • Anonymous

    Faried has a 9′ standing reach, same as Amare, and more than Noah.
    He plays big. 
     

  • Guest

    Selby shot 37.3% from the field.He played 20 minutes/game.Somebody is missing something.Chad Ford is not an expert.Check out his past mock drafts.I take Jenkins > Selby by a lot.

  • Anonymous

    Wow if we have a chance to get Selby at 17, we must do it.  He can learn under Chauncey and though I love Vucevic it would be easier to get a big man via FA.
     
    Point guards (even not true ones) are hard to get especially one with this much upside.  Just go on youtube, the kid is unbeleivable:
     
    Chauncey-Selby-TD
    A. Parker (Min Deal) Fields
    Melo-Walker-Derrick Brown
    STAT-S. Williams-Balkman
    DeAndre Jordan (MLE) (if not then Ajinca or Kwame Brown), Turiaf, J. Jordan or 2nd round pick of Greg Smith or Keith Benson and then…
     
    we are championship bound!!!

  • OLD KNICK

    @johneco:disqus
    He better not be  older than me because at my age watching basketball is what you do!!!! The guys I played with are all either analysts or coaches!!!

  • OLD KNICK
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Billy-Rom/723585880 Billy Rom

    Nolan Smith at 35?  Were he 6-4/5 instead of 6-2 he would be going earlier.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3RGKXYRB3RFODDMZLHZFE7JGFE NAC

    Teams would rather take their chances with a high-ceilinged question mark under team control for (potentially) 5 years that be forced to extend Jennings after the seasons he has had in the NBA or lose him to FA. He really hasn’t played that well–38% shooting with a 2-1 Assist/TO ratio is pretty damn bad, actually.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRI47O3JZLDIAK53VOPVCOQCCM Randy Watson

    Agreed. The Knicks have literally never picked anyone I have wanted. (See Artest, Stoudemire, N. Collison, Sessions, and Gordon.)

  • Guest

    I was the first person to mention Vucevic over 3 months ago.I like him.The earliest I see him going is to the Celtics at the end of the 1st round.Mostly,I think early 2nd round.At 17 ,I like Jenkins or Jackson(if Jenkins is gone).

  • Anonymous

    im no Dantoni fan,but he hasnt had a stable team the entire three years hes been here

  • Anonymous

    1. He’s not Rose
    2. Haven’t you seen how Rose fazes out his teammates? This is part of the reason why Boozer sucks now. Rose hasn’t made set him up like DWill used to. He wouldn’t fly next to Melo and Amare. Rondo fits this team better

  • Anonymous

    Just a thought. Minn is trying to trade their Ricky Rubio pick. What if we swap Toney Douglas straight up for him? He’s a better pure point guard with incredible assists, defensive minded and gets lots of steals a game and may be the best point guard in all of Europe. Then you’d have a point guard and could use the 17th pic on a big like Vucevic. And still buy a couple of late round picks & get a keith Benson or a 3rd point if for no other reason than trade bait. 

    Josh Selby has unbelievable upside. Now I haven’t seen Jenkins other than Youtube so if anyones seen his actual games feel free to correct me on this.  Jenkins is very, smart, efficient point  but I see him more as a back up than a future starter. Only because whereas you Rondo’s, Rose’s, Westbrooks, Jameer Nelsons are all lightning quick his clips don’t show him being very fast and I wonder if he’d be able to keep up with them. I don’t see him as having the kind of handle where he can break down the defenses off the dribble but more of a facilitate in and out of the lane to where the defenses shift and him locating the open man for assists. And rather than beating his man off the dribble to the hole he gets there and just shoots over them. Which he’s good at as he uses the bounce pass alot which is prolly why he’s labled as a throwback to the oldschool style of play but he’s extremely good at what he does and may benefit from a half court offense. Don’t know how that factors into ‘Antoni’s 7 seconds or less offense but guess they could change it to 17 seconds and counting. lol 

  • Anonymous

    I really didn’t pay attention to that, I just saw the name Kwame and lawled.

  • Anonymous

    Not if they’re run by the NBA, they don’t…