With the 17th Pick, the New York Knicks Select…

Jackson would be a solid pick imo.

Shots can be developed…when looking at a player at the guard position we should be looking at the ability to create and defend as the first priority which Jackson can clearly do.  He has the confidence to take shots and as we have seen with Douglas from year 1 to 2 his shot can develop and become an integral part of his game.  We have a combo guard in Douglas, the Knicks should be looking at a true point guard which Jackson will be the best available left on the board or at a big.  The bigs have a drop off after the Europeans and Morris twins thus guard at 17 is likely going to be the selection.  

he has a “terrible” jump shot? That’s news to me. he’s improved his shooting every year. Rondo has a “terrible” jump shot. Jackson is Dirk compared to Rondo

Why Jackson over Morris? Morris is taller with a way better ast/to ratio. Any pt guard drafted by Knicks should be floor general first, scorer 2nd in my opinion. Just curious; what makes Jackson better prospect? I’ve never seen either play.

How much do you guys know of this guy???

Bismack Biyambo, Fuenlabrada (Spain)
Another 19-year-old who figures to grow at least an inch or two (his
wingspan is an incredible 7-foot-7), he will be one of the most
scrutinized big men at the adidas draft camp in Treviso, Italy, from
June 11-13. Though he is especially raw offensively, he has been a
rebounding and shot-blocking machine in the Spanish ACB league, the top
domestic league in Europe. At the Nike Hoop Summit last month in
Portland, Biyambo wowed scouts with a triple-double of 12 points, 11
rebounds an 10 blocks in just 28 minutes. Scouts love his athleticism,
his energy, his NBA body and his toughness, and have compared him to the
likes of Ben Wallace and his countryman from the Congo, Serge Ibaka.

And if we gut the roster again for chris Paul this time I don’t want to hear ANY excuses that this “coach” needs more time with “a complete roster”

There is really no chance of paul coming here via trade.. we don’t have the pieces to absorb okafor with him from a salary standpoint.. And I doubt the league allows the Hornets to be broken up whilst they own them..

It’s more likely that Nola gets contracted and the players go into a dispersal draft

I’d do that and try and get the Kings’ pick for cheap, they don’t really need any more youth.

I’d also try to see what Toney can fetch as far as picks if we’re going to draft Jackson.

Charles Jenkins At # 17 and Vucevic with a late first rond pick that Donnie acquires.

Not sure how thats a good trade for the Bucks. They would be giving up a starting PG with all-star potential on his rookie contract AND a developmental C for a combo guard, a backup SF/SG, and a draft pick. I don’t think we have the assets to trade for Jennings.

Granted I only saw them during the Big  10 and ACC Conference Tournaments, but I think the consensus is that while Morris is a better floor general – he doesn’t offer much in terms of shooting.  Jackson, while a rawer ball-handler and passer, is more athletic, has that ridiculous wing span, and can stretch the defense.  I’m sure somebody else could provide a better answer though

I would be surprised if the Cavs kept all of their picks as well. Especially considering all of the young players that they are already developing such as Samuels, Erden, Harangody, Eyenga, Harris, etc. Can’t imagine they want to add two more second round picks.

Def top 10 but if he falls out of it, I would def trade up for him. He seems like a future Ibaka/Wallace

If Klay Thompson is gone Vucevic more than likely would be the the most highest rated player based on need (center), being NBA ready, and being a perfect fit for the Knicks present offense. Drafting Vucevic and buying a late 1st/early 2nd round pick to use on Ben Hansbrough would warm me to Walsh 2nd only to his wife!

After watching the Boston series with Amare and Billups out, I’d say you can’t gut a team that has already been gutted. There are only so many guts to go around.

Paul to NY is very unlikely for all the reasons you mention.

The good thing about this draft is that we should be able to draft the best player available, while still addressing a need. The ONLY position we are solid at is SF. We still need a backup PG, starting SG, backup PF, and a C.

Trade Douglas, Walker and #17 to move up and get a better PG in my opinion.

Sign Dalembert and an Arroyo-type PG.

Rookie PG
Billups
Melo
A’mare
Dalembert
—————–
Fields
Turiaf
Shawn Williams
Arroyo-type
Jerome Jordan

I’d agree and see if they can get a late round draft pick.
 
  With the 17th pick they should take a chance on a guy like Shelby who is being compared to a Russell Westbrook. He was in the wrong system according to scouts,otherwise would of been in lottery. There is downside to him,but there is always downside to any pick, look at Oden,nothing is a sure thing. The 17th pick allows you to have a longer leash and be more risky than having the #1 to #10 pick. Imagine Westbrook talent at #17. Take advantage of him having a low value and capitalize, thats the only way to build a championship team. Would the Celtics have their run if they didn’t get Rondo the end of the 1st round?
 
 With their 2nd pick they should go after centers like Jeremy Tyler and Nogueira, who cant contribute right away but can become a force like DeAndre Jordan,who goy picked in the 2nd round by the Clippers and is a big part of the future with Blake Griffen. As New Yorkers we need to stop wanting instant results and take chances on guys, guys we passed up such as Stat when he was drafted and Bynum.

I think the pick at 17 should be dependent on whether they can buy another late 1st rounder. If they can (and know that they can), go best talent regardless of position. Then, go best need talent.

If they are only going to have #17, I think need (Size/PG/Shooting) may have to win out over talent. If the “Best Player Available” is a Slashing SF, can we really afford to draft that guy with other glaring needs?

I like Jenkins, One of the Morris Twins, or Singleton at #17 and Tyler, Jordan Williams or Nolan Smith with a late Round #1/Early #2

Jackson is a more offensively skilled player, who is equally skilled/adept on the defensive side of the court where as Morris offensive skills (especially his jump shot) is below average! Morris is a 2nd round pick in a “weak draft”, so weak that you yourself admit that you never seen him play! Neither have many others who continue to mention him as someone deserving 1st round consideration!

I’ve come to the realization that no matter what I am going to be sad, angry or depressed after the Knicks make their selection, history is on my side. 

think the knicks should try everything in their power to get CP3 before the season even starts…If he doesn’t sign the extension in july, NO has to trade him before the season, so they don’t have to deal with what Denver just did w/ all the MeloDrama….Wonder if we can add Denver into the equation to kind of make all parties a lil happier…maybe trade Billups back to Denver, have Denver ship Felton(who wants to start) to NO, and send Fields, and Selby(the 17th pick) to NO for CP3, and of course throw in pieces to make the salaries match…. “

Tommy on this we have been in 100% agreement. If we kept the pick & took Reggie I would be more then fine with it no matter what he becomes.

I’ve read that he is a bad defender fundamentally

Still like Ben Hansbrough over him!

What if Walsh can’t acquire a late 1st round pick? Besides Vucevic will go mid-late teens!

Not at 17! Besides i don’t think Jenkins is a better prospect than Selby!

Really? From what I read he has pretty good instincts, but he lacks elite athleticism or lateral quickness. I think this team desperately needs a true SG guard though. Fields, Walker, and Mason were beyond awful in the playoffs.

 And if we gut the roster again for chris Paul this time I don’t want to
hear ANY excuses that this “coach” needs more time with “a complete
roster”

but you’re more than fine with the grace period a potential next coach will get getting to know the roster and implementing his system?

Seems contradictory.

Trust me Nelson if I thought we could get Jennings (who should already be a Knick) I would of offered up a hypothetical approach but I just cant see what we have that would get us Jennings. If he is traded trust me it is in a package that has the other team taking on one of there bad contracts & netting them a first rd pick. 

Something is making me think that the Cavs may make a move on Jennings after going after Gay with the 4th pick! They could take Kanter #1 then trade the 4th pick for Jennings & really make a splash.

But again Sanders is really a player that would fill a need for us as he develops. His situation reminds me a lot of when J.O’neal was trapped on Portland’s bench, not saying there the same players just saying same kind of dynamic.  

Some people are saying he’s older than you, old knick.

Yea I see Klay being long gone by the time we pick!

Don’t remember who reported that Faried did poorly in the interview process, but with everyone saying how great a kid he is, I wonder how that can be so……..

No way, Charles Jenkins is the Man at #17, if Bismack Biyombo and Kenneth Faried is off the board. And I agree with making a deal with the Kings for the 35th pick for,Jeremy Tyler or Lucas Norueira, a BIG that we NEED…….

“Thompson’s effort level on the defensive end has improved during his time in college, and he shows solid awareness and makes good rotations off the ball, but his lack of quickness is certainly something that can be exploited. His problems can be hid somewhat on good defensive teams, and his apparent effort level and capacity for playing good team defense will certainly be useful, though he’d have a lot of work to do to even become an average NBA defender overall.

Thompson’s defensive problems should be equally pronounced at either the shooting guard or small forward positions, and the questions for teams will be how much can they coach him up and whether his offensive strengths do enough to outweigh his defensive shortcomings. His progress as a junior and strong season overall definitely quell those concerns, at least somewhat.”

http://www.draftexpress.com

Maybe we are purchasing/making picks for NO…Interesting. Although, if he were available, I’m sure teams would be willing to offer there lottery pick…

I really want the Knicks to get Malcolm Lee, he can be very good back-up pg and sg. You can put him in the back court with TD, on offense TD can play the 2 n Lee the 1, then switch it up D

http://youtu.be/gUIlDiHEPTA

When Duke is rolling they can make any team/player look bad! Smith more so benefited from Duke’s system as he was a senior and their first option, but Smith is not a play maker and his jump shot is average “for a college player!”

Yeah, thats pretty much what I thought. He is smart and has good awareness defensively, but he lacks the lateral quickness to keep up with faster guards. I know it sounds hypocritical considering I have been saying that we need to find a 2 that plays good defense, but I think Thompson is too good to pass on at 17. I don’t like passing on a guy who is clearly the best player available (which he would be imo) especially if he at least partially fits one of the Knicks holes.

You have to also factor in unless im wrong that after a certain amount of time in the league there is a vet minimum, or am I wrong about that? (not sure but I think so) & I am all for Evans no matter what but weather or not a young big will be a project those are the type of projects & educated projections that are needed to fill out a team. I get what your saying we are not to far from the same page.

Biyambo offensive skills are real limited, right now he is just useful on the defensive end of the floor, do the Knicks really want to draft a player that will force the Knicks to play “4 on 5?” Think JJ on steroids! Point #2, Miami will be the team to beat for the next 5+ years, they are solid at the 2, 3, and 4, reports on Pittman is that he will soon be ready, if Miami (Riley) find a way somehow to get a young above average pg (be it in this draft or by FA signing) they will become almost unbeatable! I said almost because i believe the Knicks can beat Miami but they would have to be able to put on the court 5 players that can go toe to toe with them offensively and defensively at every position! Biyambo can’t guard Pittman and Pitman at 300+ lbs would not have to worry about guarding him! That why I’m so high on Vucevic, Vucevic length would bother Pittman but also a player with Vucevic’s skill set Pittman could not guard! Vucevic, Amare, and Mello is a better match against Pittman, Bosh and LBJ! The Knicks must also find a player who could match up against Wade (Caron Butler) and Miami’s pg but I would rather solidify my front line with a 2 way player like Vucevic than a raw one way player in Biyambo! 

I guess I was having some wishful thinking on my proposal, but I like yours not doubt….

I should probably recant and say that that proposal favors us much more than it does them.

but no doubt your Idea of sanders being better than anything available at 17 is pretty much spot on.

If Sanders gains 20 lbs he could Noah-Lite

The more I think about it though I am hesitant to make any trade involving Fields. As it stands right now he is probably our only valuable young asset, naturally if Fields plus 17 can net us a legit future PG or a 1st rd pick + a big with potentially i am all for it. Just as an example Fields to philly 16 + speights to ny

I don’t know. Seems to lack a little versatility. He’s awfully right heavy. I’d force him to his left all day. 
There’s something forgettably Toney Douglas about him as well. 
I think it’s his jumper.

Draft is PG heavy.
I’d scourer around a bit more before I settled on Jackson.

Not really.. _antoni has received a longer “grace period” than any coach in the history of this town.. He’s been evaluated for three years based On everything BUT wins and losses.. Now is his year tO put up or step down.

But make no mistake, a new coach is going to have to produce right away.. There are no more grace periods when amare and melo’s prime is on the clock..
I don’t think that is unreasonable.. Look what mid saeaso replacement coAches did just this year. The thought that you need this lengthy adjustment period is just an excuse

I shoot left handed (my UN-natural hand) better than Faried shoots with his natural shooting hand! 

Not Voice of Reason relax bro, as it stands we need to make a list of all the players we like and take the best one available at 17. sorry to break it to you Hanbrough should not be on that list.

In my OPINION it will be harder to get a backup PG/future starter in Free Agency than it will to get a Banger C/PF so my list of players i want for 17 would be mostly pgs and sgs

Bigs that will bang that will be available:

Reggie Evans
Hilton Armstrong
Kwame Brown
Jason Collins

those guys are better than pretty any big we will be able to get at 17. As far as the draftee bigs that can be had late first early second if we cant get one of those picks than I can live with a Center rotation of:

Kwame Brown
Reggie Evans
Ronny Turiaf

AMEN Brother, AMEN!

We need a rondo more than we need a rose

i think the NYK draft nikola vuceevic from usc 6’11 c/pf at 17 get sactown second round draft chanler parsons and sign sebastion telfair

“Smith is not a play maker and his jump shot is average “for a college player!” ”

LOL! You couldn’t be more wrong @VOR01:disqus

No not at pick #17 your right!

Thanks for being open minded enough to see what I was saying is rooted in reality not just me cheer leading for Sanders. The guy has great skill sets for what we need at center while still growing in to his body, as well as still having great up side.

Thing with Fields is that while I respect his hard work & effort we have to put ourselves in the shoes of other GM’s & ask ourselves what is his worth to others & not let the fact that he is on our team sway the true worth no what I mean?

Jenkins is “NOT CLOSE” to a Rondo!

Pass on Parsons. Sounds like you miss Gallo. Youtube Gallo and get your Gallo fix in! Parsons is so underwhelming it’s not funny! 

I understand what your saying & it is possible Selby could end up being a lot of things but I just dont feel his game. Talented sure but we cant really say he has a set skill to count on just the possibility of what he can become. Jenkins that jumper is water he is powerfully built so while there may not be much more upside at least you know what your getting.

To be honest I take Brooks over both of them if I’m rolling the dice on upside & known skill sets.

NYK should aquire OMRI CASSPI from sac for cash .He is good two way forward 3/4. nice shot defends rebounds. unhappy in sac town .good fit in ny..

Will grow another inch or two, yeah right! If i had a Benjamin for every time that was said (by a player’s agent no doubt) I would be on Spree’s foreclosed yacht (having purchased it-straight cash homey) sailing the west Indian coast!

NOO! Josh Selby is BETTER

td, i agree with you for the most part. i would love to add rj!!
but after watching some video of selby i wonder if the knicks will have a major debate over which PG they must take at 17; he does have some raw skill and he appears to be working at a high clip to improve his position. plus, i think they would buy jajuan j in the 2nd round if he is available.

Faried!!!.  Somone has to board

Post of the day. Stop making sense.

J. Tyler will be the best player of the 2011 draft 3 yrs from now. Isiah thomas told me so.

Is Jackson working out with anyone? Speculation is that he received a guarantee, and high.

Jennings or Knight, thats not even close, Jennings all day everyday!

I know that Selby is a “high risk high reward” type of player based on the lack of definition to his game that could be gathered from his time at Kansas-he was suspended and missed the start of the season and then played with an injury during the year-also it did not appear that he had a defined role other than to “go in the game and score” (this was one of Self’s worst coaching years at Kansas), but his skills are off the charts Man. Again, that’s why you work these guys out. They will bring in all those guys (except Jackson) and the player that looks to excel in MD’s system will be their guy! Mind you if they bring in Vucevic it will be a RAP! 

That was my point to Knicks613, that the Knicks will not have a debate that will include Jackson because he will not include the knicks (in workouts and interviews)!

Rose, Mello, and Amare>Rondo, Mello, Amare!

bleacher report leaked chad ford’s mock #3; has NY running with Selby…. id be THRILLED with selby, singleton for some defense, or a legit center.

1. Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving, PG, Duke
2. Minnesota Timberwolves: Derrick Williams, F, Arizona
3. Utah Jazz: Brandon Knight, PG, Kentucky
4. Cleveland Cavaliers: Enes Kanter, F, Turkey
5. Toronto Raptors: Jan Vesely, F, Czech Republic
6. Washington Wizards: Kawhi Leonard, F, San Diego State
7. Sacramento Kings: Kemba Walker, G, Connecticut
8. Detroit Pistons: Jonas Valanciunas, F, Lithuania
9. Charlotte Bobcats: Bismack Biyombo, F, Congo
10. Milwaukee Bucks: Tristan Thompson, F, Texas
11. Golden State Warriors: Marcus Morris, F, Kansas
12. Utah Jazz: Chris Singleton, F, Florida State
13. Phoenix Suns: Alec Burks, G, Colorado
14. Houston Rockets: Jordan Hamilton, F, Texas
15. Indiana Pacers: Jimmer Fredette, G, BYU
16. Philadelphia 76ers: Markieff Morris, F, Kansas
17. New York Knicks: Josh Selby, G, Kansas
18. Washington Wizards: Klay Thompson, G, Washington State
19. Charlotte Bobcats: Marshon Brooks, G, Providence
20. Minnesota Timberwolves: Donatas Motiejunas, F, Lithuania
21. Portland Trail Blazers: Kenneth Faried, F, Morehead State
22. Denver Nuggets: Tobias Harris, F, Tennessee
23. Houston Rockets: Reggie Jackson, G, Boston College
24. Oklahoma City Thunder: Nikola Mirotic, F, Serbia
25. Boston Celtics: Nikola Vucevic, C, USC
26. Dallas Mavericks: Davis Bertans, F, Latvia
27. New Jersey Nets: Justin Harper, F, Richmond
28. Chicago Bulls: Tyler Honeycutt, F, UCLA
29. San Antonio Spurs: Jeremy Tyler, F, Tokyo Apache
30. Chicago Bulls: Charles Jenkins, G, Hofstra

You could be right my friend I dont deny that at all but like I said to be honest I would take Brooks over both of them if im going with upside. That Nick Young type of game he has is impressive & he is another guard with a 7+ wing span.

I hear u guys say Klay Thompson, we need a PG that can run the pick and roll effective more then a shooter and if you take the right guard..you can get BOTH of those qualities. We need a shooter at ANY position. So draft either the best big or guard get a 2nd rounder and take Justin Harper or Jon Luer. Those 2 guys can shoot just as good as Klay and help on defense with their size.

Use the draft for talent, use FA to draft bruisers. Rookies aren’t allowed to be tough guys.

Reggie at 17. Harper in the 2nd round pick. Sign the best big. Call it a day.

Goal is to have teams pay for double teaming Amare/Melo while having size on defense.

He’s probably going in the lottery but if he’s around I would definitely pick him.
Bismack Biyombo is just what we need beside Amare, and will really shore up our defense and our rebounding. if we can get him and Malcolm Lee, I call it the best draft we have had in a LONG time.

Selby shot 37.3% from the field.He played 20 minutes/game.Somebody is missing something.Chad Ford is not an expert.Check out his past mock drafts.I take Jenkins > Selby by a lot.

@johneco:disqus
He better not be  older than me because at my age watching basketball is what you do!!!! The guys I played with are all either analysts or coaches!!!

Nolan Smith at 35?  Were he 6-4/5 instead of 6-2 he would be going earlier.

Agreed. The Knicks have literally never picked anyone I have wanted. (See Artest, Stoudemire, N. Collison, Sessions, and Gordon.)

im no Dantoni fan,but he hasnt had a stable team the entire three years hes been here

Just a thought. Minn is trying to trade their Ricky Rubio pick. What if we swap Toney Douglas straight up for him? He’s a better pure point guard with incredible assists, defensive minded and gets lots of steals a game and may be the best point guard in all of Europe. Then you’d have a point guard and could use the 17th pic on a big like Vucevic. And still buy a couple of late round picks & get a keith Benson or a 3rd point if for no other reason than trade bait. 

Josh Selby has unbelievable upside. Now I haven’t seen Jenkins other than Youtube so if anyones seen his actual games feel free to correct me on this.  Jenkins is very, smart, efficient point  but I see him more as a back up than a future starter. Only because whereas you Rondo’s, Rose’s, Westbrooks, Jameer Nelsons are all lightning quick his clips don’t show him being very fast and I wonder if he’d be able to keep up with them. I don’t see him as having the kind of handle where he can break down the defenses off the dribble but more of a facilitate in and out of the lane to where the defenses shift and him locating the open man for assists. And rather than beating his man off the dribble to the hole he gets there and just shoots over them. Which he’s good at as he uses the bounce pass alot which is prolly why he’s labled as a throwback to the oldschool style of play but he’s extremely good at what he does and may benefit from a half court offense. Don’t know how that factors into ‘Antoni’s 7 seconds or less offense but guess they could change it to 17 seconds and counting. lol 

Not if they’re run by the NBA, they don’t…