Does This Open the Door Wider for Phil?

Phil would have no interest in Paul. Howard would have to be his guy

Here’s the problem with Phil Jackson and the Knicks as it pertains to CP3, if Jackson did in fact become coach of the knicks, I’d be almost 100% sure he’d use his triangle offense which in fact almost eliminates the need for a star PG, if you look at the great Bulls, and Lakers teams, they both had average nba players at the PG position, so if it’s Phil then I don’t see CP3, I’d then look at Howard as the better option, see Shaq..

I thought we had all agreed. No Phil Jackson rumors until the Knicks lose their first game.

Not to mention the need for the focal point (Jordan, Kobe) star who has a reputation for being the hardest worker on both offense and defense. (of which Carmelo is not)

i can’t wait to read everyone’s over reactions to every win and loss during the first 10 games of the season. Wait. Yes I can.

Do NBA rules allow for a fund to be created in which New Yorkers/ Knicks fans contribute $2 dollars to a fund that will be paid out to Chris Paul as compensation for the salary hit he would have to take if he were to sign with the Knicks?

CP3/Melo/Amare are not “Triangle” players.

Yup. A Howard/Amare/Melo frontcourt would make a scary triangle offense though. Spending a lot of money on CP3 would be a waste, because Toney Douglas could run that offense without any trouble.

Every time you begin to make some sense you turn around and contradict yourself. Melo and Amare aren’t triangle players you’re right about that, but to turn around and say they are on the last line is a contradiction.

With that being said I think the make up of this team should be weighed heavily, I don’t think 2012 or Phil is the answer, now this isn’t an D’antoni endorsement but lets not get into this mode of just throwing players together to make a Super Team with hopes that Jackson will be coming as a result.

My first day back reading Knicks sites, and I get teased with this. Not already.

I thought we would be more AMPED for CP3.. I know i am!!!

Look I know theres tons of people on this blog that wants CP3 and Phil, but think about it for a second. Our biggest need is a center and theres a host of capable ones available once the CBA is signed. D12 isn’t coming here and if we get CP3 we will still be in the same situation and most people on here will be saying now we have to wait another year when we couldve had a viable center the year before. If we had a good chance of signing Howard come this summer I would keep my mouth shut but the truth is he isn’t coming and yes CP3 probably does want NY. This is mistake if we go for him, getting CP3 would leave us capped out and without any real chance of acquiring anyone outside of 38+ year old ring chasers. Trust me Phil isn’t signing up for that!

lol To be noted, Phil Jackson is much older, has too much money already and would not have any bonafide megastars that’s the best in the league by far in coaching our Knicks. I know Jackson has a huge ego but thinking that he can win here without having that megastars is beyond reason.

Phil like to set back and allow his teams to play thru trouble spots but we don’t have the smartest players in the land so this would be a disaster.

But I’m all for getting rid of Pringles! You can belieeeeeeeeve that!

Wow have things changed around here. I remember us Knick fans begging for King James, watching the decision and cursing King James for not choosing NYC. Now we have our noses in the air making statements about preferring Dwight Howard over Chris Paul.

I would love to have Dwight Howard also but I have not heard one word about him wanting to play in NYC. It would be foolish to piss off Chris Paul and lose him by pining for Dwight Howard who may or may not want to play in NYC.

A bird in the hand, Chris Paul is a star and wants NYC done deal.

Tommy, now you’re talking my language. Phil Jacksonese.

TD, Red Holtman is his coaching idol? Yea but Jackson has many more rings than Holtzman and with mutiple teams so why do he needs to prove anything to the Holtzman legacy?

seriously

If we save money and sign a elite PG this summer (no chance of getting D12, sorry!) we will be stuck with a terribly unbalanced roster and no real way of fixing it. Miami is going after a center this year and rightfully so for it will balance out there lineup some. They will still need a better bench but will still be way ahead of us regarding filling out of the roster. If we go and get CP3 or Deron how are we going to fill out the rest of the roster and how long will it take?

So when should we start expecting the “Isiah Thomas” possibly returning as GM to the Knicks articles from the media? Followed by some article about Marbury bashing the Knicks…

I wouldn’t say no interest… just because he’s never had a great PG to coach doesn’t mean he’s incapable of coaching an all star. He’d still have his go to scorer in Melo and the big man (albeit not a traditional big) in Amar’e. I think he’d love the chance to try to work with Paul, Melo and Amar’e.

Sure he’d probably prefer Dwight because it would literally be the ideal trio for the triangle, but I think Amar’e and Melo alone would be enough to entice Jackson (along with a lot of cash and returning to NY), Paul/ Williams is just icing on the cake.

I have said it before and I will say it again. If we had a chance to get D12 I would be stoked because he’s awesome and fills a need but there isn’t a chance he comes. I agree going after CP3 is a mistake, Deron too for that matter. I say go after Nene or Dalembert and make a trade for Sessions and Reggie Evans and we will be set to compete!

Well, the notion of Phil Jackson coming to New York pisses on my aspirations of obtaining a star PG, being that the triangle offense would be the anti-christ for a guard who doesn’t have confidence in his jumpshot. D12 or Derron Williams would have to become our objects of admiration and the former would be the better. The problem becomes, how does Stat AND D12 play down low together? I’ve never seen Jackson coach a HOF center and forward simultaneously besides Malone and Shaq for one season and they were both entering the twilight of their careers, and we see how that worked out. Phil Jackson is my favorite coach of all time and I would LOVE to see him coach my Knicks, but I just can’t see how his system would work with any of our possible future plans for a roster lineup.

Phill or no phill Howard is the clear cut pick over chris Paul. Howard is a once in a lifetime player.

To add to that. Remember the last time a legendary (NBA Champion) coach came over to the knicks to coach a terribly unbalanced roster! Phil isn’t going to ruin his legacy!

As soon as he leaves or gets fired from FIU his name will surface!

How on earth are we a better team with an overpaid/overrated Center and Ramon Sessions than if we put together a squad of Melo, Amare, CP3? There has never been a PG better suited for a Mike D’Antoni offense than CP3. Any chemistry issues between Melo and Amare instantly go away because of CP3′s ability to distribute the ball to them…I understand the sentiment of building a full roster, but in order to beat Miami we need stars to match. Chris Paul provides this all by signing on the dotted line.

jackson would turn down the knicks job bc of “having no interest in Paul?”

hallelujah

so if D’A goes 40-26, you’re gonna fire him?

couldn’t resist

We need a center so I’d love Howard but JustKnowz is AMPED! The season has officially begun!

I think it’s more if they don’t get to an ECF Game 6, they’ll fire him.

I can’t wait for the reaction when the Knicks basically do nothing in a couple of weeks except sign back the same players they had last year (possibly including Jeffries, Mason, Rautins etc..) and are only slightly above a .500 team without the cap space or assets to get what they need. ugggghhh

If I was D’Antoni I would have gotten on the same plane as Walsh, left town, and done some basketball analysis on TNT and NBATV for a year. Then I’d coach in a city with an owner that doesn’t override the basketball people and with a media that is at least sane.

The record is not gonna matter nearly as much as what happens in the playoffs. Knicks need to win at least one series for Dantoni to keep his job.

What proof is there to assume the Knicks decision making brass has this type of strategic ability? And if Phil is hired, with the traingle offense supposedly to come, wouldn’t D Howard make more sense than CP3? …and is it a generalization to assume coach D’s choice would be CP3 while CP3 or DHoward(more preferable) to Phil’s slower more defensive system?

So you’re hoping for the Knicks to start .500 just so you can so I told you so? Really?

I’m sure a precondition would be “get me quality center first”, being that his offensive system has no need for such an expensive PG. Toney Douglas can run the triangle

News flash we are a small team and become even smaller if we go after CP3. Miami is going after center this year after realizing three stars isn’t enough to overcome an unbalanced roster. Knowing that Miami is going after a need this year how is getting CP3 going to help us beat them? Its not and we will be stuck with the same problem as last year outrebounded and abused on the interior. But you keep on dreaming of CP3! Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

I’m waiting for the articles proclaiming that Isiah ended the lockout first.

Depends on how the team looks in the playoffs.

And walk away from 5 million when you’re under contract. Yeah, that would be smart of Dantoni. Walsh’s contract was up. Dantoni’s wasnt.

I’m surprised we haven’t seen an Isiah Shumpert links yet also.

We might have to wait until something goes wrong with Shumpert first before those come around

Ewing doesn’t like Phil…I think it was back in the mid 90′s when Ewing told Phil Jackson to “Take his ass back to Chicago.”

they had a “quality” center in Chicago?

Agreed. If Phil is hired, then we MUST go after D12 as oppose to CP3, but how will the Triangle be successful with D12 and Stat at the same time. If we can get D12, then I think we then MUST TRADE STAT, and go after young talent and cap space to better fit a team of D12 and Melo along with Jackson roaming the sidelines whistling for triangle offense plays. If there is a BETTER way to make a Melo/Phil Jackson duo work, please let me know.

Having been a Knicks’ fan since the early 1960′s, I can say that Red Holtzman was the man most responsible for Phil’s success. Red was a great coach and Phil learned from him. He was his mentor. Red was a great influence on all the Knicks.

I don’t think needs to do anything as part of his legacy is Red’s legacy. Here is what Phil said.

“He is the reason why I am a coach, obviously,” Jackson said of his old Knick mentor. “He told me I would be a coach. He said, ‘You see the game.’ The one year I was sitting out injured, I asked him questions about coaching. He used to tell me, ‘It’s not rocket science, Phil. It’s not rocket science.’ He was pretty basic about his basketball: See the ball on defense and hit the open man on offense. But he also had a great feel for people and how to get them motivated.”

Look at what players who worked with Red accomplished.

Dick Barnett Phd College Professor
Bill Bradley US Senator
Willis Reed NBA General Manager
Dave DeBusschere ABA League President
Phil Jackson NBA Coach with many rings

Off topic….did anybody hear about the rondo being on the trading block….celtic need more scoring….or that left arm injury might be more serious then we thought.

Not at all.

I simply think this a 45 win team (50 at best) as currently constructed unless we get a huge upside surprise from either Fields or Shumpert. I also think the team is not going to be able sign any new quality players on a 1 year deal under these new rules because you pretty much have to be under the cap sign any amnestied players.

So I find all this speculation, hype etc.. to be preposterous ridiculousness. I also already know that D’Anton is going to get all the blame (at least on this blog) even though no coach in the world (including Jackson) could make this unbalanced team a legitimate contender.

I also think the plans to get either CP3 or Howard are far from certain.

Howard almost certainly DOES NOT want to come to NY (he wants LA) and the Knicks do not have the cap space to sign CP3 as a FA next year. The numbers are clear.

2012 cap space will be 58m again

39.4 for Melo and Amare and they will probably sign Shumpert and perhaps Jerome Jordan, and Jorts for more than 1 year. Then there will be cap holds. That’s leaves nearly nothing for CP3.

So they have to get CP3 via trade, but they don’t have good assets to trade for him compared to all the other contenders that will also be interested in him. Plus CP3 does not have the leverage that Melo had to force a trade to NY.

To me, we made our bed with the Melo trade. We reduced cap flexibility and gave up a ton of assets to produce a very unbalanced lineup with 2 star scorers. Now we have to hope for some miracles to fill all the holes. To me the coach is irrelevant and some of these deals are going to be really tough to pull off. As much as I love the Knicks (and have since the late 60s), we need a couple of miracles to become a very serious contender given where we are now.

C0P0 my neezy!!!! How ya been? MW3 in full effect (Lol) Go KNICKS!!!

Off of 26 games, no training camps, a handful of practices, injuries galore, you are already ready to call this team a failure?

NO why would the Celtics do that smh….

Wennington, Shaq, Bynum, Longley, and Cartwright are all better centers the Ronny Turiaf.

Don’t you think Phil would rather have an Allstar center rather than an Allstar PG I his offense. Unless he wants, at 70 plus years old, the stress of reconfiguring the triangle around a PG, that great but I think Phil would prefer a finished product.

I’m getting tired of all the nonsense about CP3 coming to the knicks equaling an unbalanced roster. Just for the record, lets say this is true. Is there a team under cap who WOULDN’T trade the house for Melo/CP3/Amare if it came to that?

If a guy like CP3 ends up being a mistake add, we can fix that with trades.

If we sign 3 mediocre talents to increasing salaries instead, can’t ever trade those for a guy like CP3.

I’m amazed here. you get a chance at a star, you sign that star.

Agreed. Enough with the ”I don’t have my horses excuses”. Doesn’t matter how he choosese to play: SSONDL (7 seconds no D or less), half court, the coach will see once camp begins. The bottom line’s simple: do better than last season, and when we say ”do better, we mean ”at least go down fighting semis or reach the finals.
Using the, we’re waiting for our third star really won’t cut it for me, regardless of whether it’s the best option or not.
The time is now.

The rumor wasn’t about Rondo being on the block, it was about whether Boston’s FO would consider it, and then they said that maybe, depending on how many scoring options beside Pierce they’ll have.
It’d be foolish to loose your most talented piece just a year away from the team beginning a retooling process. They already have Jeff Green and a couple of nice draft pickups. Plus huge contracts coming off the books soon.

Overpaid and overrated Center?

Didn’t he just carry the Magic on his back to a finals a few years ago? Plus he never misses games.

Why does everyone assume Howard is a realistic option for the Knicks?

If, as you guys say, Jackson would prefer Howard over Paul, that just makes me want Jackson as the new coach even more. Not sure I understand the Howard isn’t a fan of coming to NY sentiment. Where would he go instead… LA? That’s gonna suck for him in a few years when Kobe is done if that’s where he goes. The Knicks have a bigger window because after Stat is gone Melo will still have more years of good play. I also seem to remember a game last year where the crowd at the Garden was chanting “we want Howard” and he was smiling about it. I don’t think it’s that far-fetched.

I wish we can AMNESTY some of these FAKE KNICK FANS! Was that in the new CBA?!

OFF TOPIC
The Miami Heat are 9/4 to win the championship.
After Miami, the rest of the top-5 title contenders include: the Los Angeles Lakers (5/1), Chicago Bulls (7/1), Oklahoma City Thunder (15/2) and the defending champion Dallas Mavericks (17/2). After that group, the next tier includes the Boston Celtics check in at 12/1, the New York Knicks at 20/1, the Orlando Magic at 22/1, both the Memphis Grizzlies and San Antonio Spurs at 25/1 and the Portland Trail Blazers are at 30/1.

The teams with the worst odds are the Charlotte Bobcats, Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings and Washington Wizards, all listed at 150/1. The Toronto Raptors are dead last, listed at 200/1.

The defending Eastern Conference champion Chicago Bulls are listed as 5/2 odds to repeat in 2011-2012. The defending Western Conference champion San Antonio Spurs are listed as 10/1 odds to repeat.

Miami’s weakest position will be point guard if they sign a center like you claim (though i’d hardly call Dalembert a legit center). Thus Paul would definitely help exploit that and he is an all NBA defender at his position. Also saying Miami’s three star formula can’t win is a stretch at best; they made it to the NBA finals in year one and if Lebron shows up they win. Come on man, I’m not big on signing Paul either but at least be objective. Dalembert or Nene and Sessions aren’t making this team better then if they sign Paul, at least admit that.

I agree with that assessment. That ‘s why I feel why would Phil risk coming to NY and not win a ring in the place his mentor won a ring? Right now, Phil has a better coaching resume so why come to NY, play with a cast that has no one like MJ, Kobe or Shaq in their prime and risk not winning it all?

Surely, Phil like being corted and having all the attention thrown his way about coming here being a savior. I’m sure he’s smart enough to just enough to just enjoy it and not act upon it. Maybe Howard would have him think twice about coming here but I still don’t see Phil as our coach.

“Miami’s weakest position will be point guard if they sign a center like you claim (though i’d hardly call Dalembert a legit center). Thus Paul would definitely help exploit that and he is an all NBA defender at his position.”

How does this make sense?

1. It’s not high school where Paul is going to pick out the scrub and score 80 points tonight. Wade will guard him.

2. So Paul is going to shut down… Mario Chalmers?

I feel comfortable that to win a championship you need a balance of efficient scoring, rebounding, play making, defense, shot blocking and a deep enough bench to cope with occasional injuries and the other team’s second unit when the starters are getting a rest.

The Knicks have two #1 scorers and a PG whose best attribute is efficient scoring (knocking down 3s at 40% and getting to the FT line a lot and knocking them down at 90%).

That’s not a formula for winning a championship. It’s a formula for having a great offense (assuming they don’t start arguing about shots and can work together).

I am worried that we don’t have the flexibility, trade assets (picks and players), youthful upside etc… to create a balanced team from here anymore. There are too many holes.

I am worried that this is a team that’s eventually going to be a lot like the Atlanta Hawks. They will win 50+ games every year, get knocked out in the second round, and have no way to get all the pieces they need because there are too many holes to fill when your two stars have the same strength and don’t fill out each others weaknesses.

I’m not being negative. I being analytical and trying to figure out how to fix this. I can’t figure it out.

LOL . D’Antoni has less games to burn out out players legs so 7SOL should be blazing out the box. I don’t expect us to win a championship with this cast but I do expect us to compete and play some defense. Then again, I expect my Jets to win a Superbowl this year.

Guilty as charged!

Feel like I inspired this thread Tommy ha, but glad you brought it up. For those who think that Phil would never coach the Knicks first understand that when he came to the Lakers they were a perennial 1st round exit with a bomb squad team. They got rid of Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell to find players that best suited his system. He would do the same if he came to NY. Also remember that after years of 1st round ousters LA immediately won many chips. The Knicks have a great foundation of talent with Melo and STAT. Phil wanted Melo on the Lakers. I’m sure he’d be glad to build a roster here and would have no loyalty to any player that didn’t fit into his plans. All Phil needs is two stars, he won with two in LA and two in Chicago, with different personnel. People thought the triangle would never work with a dominant center.

Yep, but you forget the part where Ewing stated right after that “Take me back with ya because I need some help getting a ring!”

Not trying to troll you man I actually like some of your ideas but who are these legit centers that the Knicks don’t want to sign this year because of CP3? Also where is this cap space coming from this year? If you honestly believe Sammy Dalembert is a big enough step up from a vet min center to justify his price tag your fooling yourself. Over paying for him would be a terrible decision. Even if we don’t get CP3, the free agent class next year is awesome. We could fill out the roster and make a “complete” team with more talent like you want. Again I personally don’t really want CP3 but I just don’t understand overpaying for trash..

If you are referring to my post, I was claiming that Nene/Dalembert were overrated and about to be overpaid

Yep, It’s gonna suck for Howard in LA when he has 2 rings in a few years and an old Kobe. Now why would Howard pick LA? lol LBJ would do anything for 1 ring now!

You ever think that in 2 years, Howard will be the Superstar with rings and he will attract the another superstar that wants to come play with him? Just saying!

My sentiments exactly.

It’s not just 2 stars. It’s the 2 best and brightest stars! Phil is smart enough to see Melo and Stats and basically playing the same position. The tirangle worked bacause of MJ, Pippen, Kobe and etc.

Believe me, that’s the only reason he’s still working in this loony bin.

Miami needs a center much more than a PG because Lebron and Wade do most of the ball handling anyway. Is Paul gonna help us with our rebounding? Post defense? Or what about limiting second chance points? See the problem with you guys are is that you all want to play better defense and stop guys from bullying us down low but don’t want to get the players to do it. Explain to me how having Stoudemire, Carmelo, CP3 & a roster full of minimum salaried players gonna get us ahead of Miami? Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

Don’t even bother. Apparently this team can’t improve at all from increased chemistry and by the individuals on the team getting better..

If your right you can say I told you so all you want but if your wrong will you be back on here eating crow or pretending you weren’t wrong?

Thank You, Howard is as much a sure thing as LBJ was. Play this wrong and we miss out on CP3, D12 and D.Will. Then what? Overpay for scrubs?

Bleacher Report
With Paul on the team, however, the Knicks are given one of the league’s greatest distributors that has the point guard skill set to find ways for Stoudemire and Anthony to coexist without the two butting heads when it comes to scoring. With Paul dictating the flow of the offense, it gets Stoudemire in the comfort zone he had playing with Steve Nash as well as keeping Anthony on the move and always looking to score.

On a team where only three players can consistently score, finding ways to get each player open will be a test. However, with Paul on the team, the Knicks can have the defense’s attention focused on every piece of the court from the paint to the perimeter, which is going to cause a lot of confusion and wires to be crossed when attempting to guard these three.

With Anthony and Paul consistently hitting from the perimeter and on their drives and Stoudemire hitting the mid-range and dominating in the paint, defenses are going to have a difficult time adjusting to stopping the Knicks offense when considering the myriad of ways that the team can score from near the basket to upwards of five feet from beyond the three-point line.

Most importantly, the team gets an unbelievable step up in the defensive department. Anthony and Stoudemire have never proven to be solid defenders, but Paul has and his quick hands and solid man defense have earned him recognition from the All-Defensive teams and Defensive Player of the Year nominations.

WELL SAID.

Yup. It’s inconceivable to some that Amare and Melo might have touched on their problems from last season. Or that Douglas and Fields might have gotten better. Or that actually having consistent practices with your teammates might actually improve chemistry. And God forbid, Mike D’antoni might have actually, as the coach, thought of our problems during his extended break and have a plan of action to fix them.

Again notice how you didn’t address my point about your idea of signing Dalembert and trading for Sessions over CP3. I’m still waiting, I’d like to hear more about that if you may. I’m NOT for signing CP3 (mostly due to his knees) but i’d like to know if you have a solution that would be better at this point?

NAC:

1: Thanks for the lesson I thought CP3 would run amuck and everyone would just watch in awe of his greatness. So CP3 will have no impact vs wade? He won’t be able to score or distribute? Don’t understand what your point is here, maybe you can clarify.

2: the CP3 all NBA defender comment wasn’t directed towards his potential impact vs Miami but the upgrade he would be defensively. Mainly in comparison to Chauncey Billups. Would you disagree with that and if so why?

It’s possible no doubt, but would he even want to risk it? He’s got to be pretty sick and tired of being the lone superstar in Orlando. Slightly better teams around him in Orlando and he’d have a ring already. What if he goes to LA and they are unable to replace Kobe with a new superstar? Comparing the situation in LA to the one in NY it seems logical that NY is the better choice for Howard. LA is on the decline and NY is on the rise. Although I actually think there’s a good possibility Howard ends up in Brooklyn if they can keep Williams.

let’s tell the right story. The lakers did NOT have the same exact makeup of the Bulls teams. Phil adjusted. Also, he just turned 66 not 166. He took the job bc no one thought kobe and shaq could play together. I don’t understand how you can begin to think that he’d refuse to coach the Knicks because he has a great PG.

How is paying 4 mil a year over paying for dalembert? There are a lot of good players available this year too! I never said anyone would except the midlevel but to not offer it in hopes to make a big splash next year is insane! By the way nobody wants to save money for 2012 so that they can just fill out the roster they want CP3, which is a mistake because he only makes our team better offensively and doesn’t help where we really need help on the boards and in the post! Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

You really feel like more 3-point shooters are necessary? Melo, Billups, Douglas, Fields, Williams. Stat is really the only guy who gets points in the paint. Howard upgrades the areas that need the most improvement (points in the paint, rebounds and defense). He’s also the best defender in the NBA. Out of those three needs, Paul really only improves the defense.

straight up D, you did inspire it.

“By the way nobody wants to save money for 2012 so that they can just fill out the roster they want CP3, which is a mistake because he only makes our team better offensively and doesn’t help where we really need help on the boards and in the post!”

I’m not arguing with you there. I’d like to sign 3 good players over CP3 depending on who we can get. CP3 will definitely improve our defense (perimeter D obviously). He won’t make it an elite defense by any means, but to say he won’t improve it at all is flat out wrong. We’d still have issues on the boards like you said though and would have to get creative with how to fix that.

People on this blog never know what they want until they get what they asked for. Last year when we got Amare I got killed for saying we should keep our young guys and continue to build around what we have and if melo want NY he would come in the summer. Two days after the trade happened almost everyone who was all about getting melo completely hated the trade even though most of them was on record as saying it didn’t matter what we gave up, that we needed melo at all costs. Now I’m hearing the same about CP3 and I’m still saying its a mistake because its not like we would be adding him to a balanced roster because if we were trust me I would have no problem. But on a team where Amare is our biggest player we need size. Getting Paul only makes our situation more dangerous. Nobody wants to see stoudemire Manning the middle for mist of the season again, but that is exactly what’s gonna happen if we get Paul because we wont have money for anyone else unless you think having a roster full of players at the end of career to come and play for the vet min is a good strategy! Now before you her all antsy I am sending this from my phone so hijacking one of your responses is the only way I can post. But back to matter at hand people seriously need to get off the I got multiple stars so it guarantees me a title train, because it doesn’t not unless you have a good roster to put around them. Another thing since when is a 7 foot center who plays good post defense and is a good rebounder a waste of money? Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

Good point, Dalembert is garbage period and is worth no more than the MLE. Lets see who overpays for 8 points, 8 rebs and 2 blks per game.

Gotta rebound, gotta play d, dont commit silly fouls…that would goods enough I think. But yes, I agree with that.

The Knicks aren’t required to go destroy their cap between now and Dec 25. You would think that from some of the people around here. No on all of the above.

my last line is that Chauncey is better then Fisher and Harper….I’d stand by that statement. Harper was good inwhen he was “baby jordan” but those championship years with the Bulls, I feel Chauncey is a better player.

CP3 is a pick and roll player(which i assume you agree)
Chauncey is a set player(similar to a triangle or feeding players off curls)

Melo/Amare can run a triangle with Chauncey/Douglas….If you replace him with CP3 its a completely different dynamic. Where is the contradiction there?

Chauncey and Douglas are set plays kind of PG’s. CP3 is an artist on the court, setting of reads and reacts to what the defense gives.

Okay, if you recall Kobe was nowhere near the player he became under Phil and no one then thought he’d be the closest thing that we’ve seen to MJ. Then Kobe was best known for thinking he was MJ but hoisting bad shots and showing flashes of greatness. Who knows how much better Phil could make Amare and Melo. He is a master motivator. He was always a big fan of Melo. But in the event that you are right, what would make you think he wouldn’t trade Amare to get cap and talent. Then use the FA money to go after Howard. Phil would have no loyalty to Amare.

If I have to spell out why having those two players on this team addresses two major needs we had both in the regular season and in the post season then there really is no point responding to you! Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

FULL! Gear 3 TOO! Horde for endless waves man. LOL

They are a 45-50 win team WITH improved chemistry and defense. They need a huge upside surprise from Shumpert, Fields, or perhaps Jordan to become a serious contender.

He would help on the perimeter yes but our most glaring weakness wasn’t on the perimeter it was in the paint! Something CP3 @ 6 foot tall with sneakers on couldn’t help with. Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

I’m just curious to what will happen if Iman shows promise at the PG position. Will be still go after CP3? Or focus on the frontline and call it a day.

As for the Heat I agree with most ppl here. We need to abuse the paint and work on defending it.

So you are for waiting for 2012??
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I don’t agree. I think the triangle would smother Amare! And Chauncey wont be here past this season so there is no point in mentioning him. Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone

Scottie didn’t have his 1st all-star appearance until Phil’s 1st year as head coach. Kobe didn’t start looking like a superstar until Phil coached him. I think you are selling Amare and Melo short and not giving enough credit to Phil’s ability to manage personalities.

Now you talking! New Yorkers ought to know what it’s like not to have a real point guard because EVERYONE FORGOTTEN WHAT WE NEED AS WELL AS A CENTER! One piece at a time and it’s on!

I agree, but I depise the triangle offense. Maybe cause its a Phil kinda thang:(

I don’t care what you clowns say! I RATHER HAVE CP3!

I like the built in distractions to start the year. No summer league, no pre season, heck no center and oh yeah, no continuity coming off last year’s roster ripping trade and subsequent in season Billups injury…so why not run with a coach changing rumor to open the season?
It’s self destructive, why not?

From what I’ve read the math says the Knicks will have ~$13mm in cap space in the summer of ’12…so why would CP3 or Dwight Howard play for a big discount to play in NY? Answer? They wouldn’t. That’s why all this Jax stuff is a waste of time. He isn’t coming to NY for a chance to compete with half of what he had to work with last year in LA.

Quick recap : thinly talented squad, no center, no pg, no draft picks, new CBA, minimal cash, batty owner.

Yeah Bill Cartwright for Phil’s fist ring as coach!

Phil is over the Hill. You may want to dig up Red Auerbach from the grave as Phil’s assistant.
These players “Melo, Paul and Amare” won’t listen to a tired azz Zen master whose time has come and gone. He’s done and in fact has heart trouble. Any attempt to coach here in NY would kill him.

Amen to “andEwing”

“lovethoseknicks”!

LOL

“I agree going after CP3 is a mistake, Deron too for that matter. I say go after Nene or Dalembert and make a trade for Sessions and Reggie Evans and we will be set to compete!”

Wow

just…

Wow

That horror story you just told scared the s*** out of the kids in the library dude, knock it off.

My thinking is (knock on wood) should we fail on getting the third star, THEN you go after the mediocre center and PG/w/e option.

Why are so many people intent on instantly stagnating the potential of this roster with two to three decent players as opposed to…wait for it…wait for it…

THE TWO BEST PG’S IN THE MTFKN LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!

Dudes got how may chips?

His legacy is sealed.

Its not like he hasn’t failed a few times before with LA or Chi. Coaching in NY would be a great option to close a career.

Nothing wrong with going after the biggest prize in basketball, a Knicks championship.

There’s some kind of “Scrubitus” virus running rampant throughout the blog.

Dudes are sweating profusely while incoherently blurting out things like…

“I agree going after CP3 is a mistake, Deron too for that matter. I say go after Nene or Dalembert and make a trade for Sessions and Reggie Evans and we will be set to compete!”

And we thought Zombie outbreaks, a struggling economy, and 2012 republican candidates were the only real problems facing Americans these days.

I am really really scared guys.

Whats wrong with following in your idols footsteps? Its called paying respect.

I think you’re missing the point.

And what does this mean?

“why do he needs to prove anything to the Holtzman legacy?”

What is “Proving something to somebody else’s legacy” ???

Risk what?

His resume isn’t perfect.

He’s got a ton of chips, he can do whatever he wants wherever he wants, and everyone and their mothers cant say a damn thing about it.

What other coaching options for him are viable and make sense?

None from where I’m standing.

You act as if Miami has a chance at landing Chandler, Nene, or Gasol.

Whoever they get isn’t going to have much more of an impact than the minimum guy we pick off the scrap heap this off season. IMHO.

One things for sure, Miami will never be getting one of the best PG’s in the last 20 years.

How much do you exactly “lovethoseknicks” homie?

I think the Knicks would be a great “triangle offense” team. Can you imagine the Knicks in the triangle offense, with Carmelo in the low post against an overmatched small forward? Can’t you just picture the Knicks overloading one side of the floor, with Carmelo in the low post, and then swinging it to the other side, where Amare Stoudemire would kill somebody from the pinch-post area?

The strengths of the triangle play right into the strengths of the Knicks roster. The fact that the Knicks don’t have a true center or a true point guard isn’t a major concern for teams that run the triangle. The center position for the Bulls was held down by guys like Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley. The point guards were either BJ Armstrong or an aging Ron Harper.

CP3 wouldmake every player on the Knicks better.D12 will be a Laker or a Net.

Okay.. I will pause my childishness for one moment… let’s face it… we need a big… we need a point guard (badly I might add)… Howard is not interested in NY—done. Let it go. CP3 WANTS NEW YORK!!!!… WHAT THE HELL IS THERE TO THINK ABOUT!!! If Phil wants to be in NY, he can work with CP3, Melo and Stat, meanwhile we can get a decent big along the way. If Phil doesnt want to coach this team, F&%^ Phil!! CP3 is not the answer.. but a very important piece to that answer… CP3–>>Excellent additon to the Mighty Voltron being built at MSG!!! AMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have it ass backwards, CP3 actually does have the leverage Melo didn’t.

What are you talking about dude?

Nah…. Stern didnt go for it!!!

Howard prefers the LA weather. Does not like NY weather, Howard is NOT thinking like you. He wants to follow shaq’s lead and also go to LA to be in movies…

So true xmen and who the frack cares about ewing now??? Is he on the knicks payroll now?

Dollar bill ya’ll
Money is the root of all evil lovethoseknicks

How many years has NO”D”antini been here???

I agree…. I mean I never really wanted this coach but he has been given many scapegoats for his years of failure here. He does need to move past at least the 1st round in the playoffs. But damn is that really enough???

“I’m waiting for the articles proclaiming that Isiah ended the lockout first. ”

He didn’t???
LOL!

I agree.

The way I’d deal with it is as follows:
If we have a chance to sign Chris Paul we take it.
If we have a chance to sign Howard, we take it first.

I can see the Knicks having a big 3 and a great coaching staff. And I can see James Dolan messing it all up as well.