Welcome Baron

I would love to see the kind of chemistry Davis can develop with Chandler and Jerome Jordan. Jordan reminds me of a younger, raw JaValle McGee. If he gets easy lobs near the rim, it’s an easy bucket.

Wow. Last year at this time, can you imagine if somebody told us we would have Tyson Chandler, Carmelo Anthony AND Baron Davis one year later??

The more I think about this, the more I’m excited. Especially since the signed him for the vet. min. There is literally NO RISK now. And if he rocks the house, four of our starting five would be top-ten at their position (name me 10 PGs more effective than Baron when he’s getting after it).

That being said, I’m tired of people saying Posey could be a backup 4. He’s not a 4. He’s a 3, and sometimes even a 2. If he takes vet. min., bring him on. Otherwise, save that $2.5 mil for K-Mart and Chandler for when they get back from China. It’s unlikely we would get Chandler, but K-Mart is a real possibility if he comes back and decides he wants to play on a contender for less money. Until then (I believe the China guys are free in March?), build up Harrellson and Jordan. If those two get going strong, they could fill the backup 4/5 spots. From what I saw from Harrellson the other day he seems like more of a 4 anyway.

Sit on the little money that’s left & save it for K-mart!! Melo will make the recruiting call & he can be that Mason goon strong man off the bench to spell Amare & Chandler. We can start the season right now & wait till march if we must for K-mart who will make a world of difference in the playoffs!

@MSteinmetzCSN: According to statement from Kings GM Geoff Petrie, Chuck Hayes has failed physical and his contract has been voided.

Not gonna lie, didn’t see Posey last season, but the stats tell me he’s washed. Hope we make the best out of that 2.5.. If that means another guard *cough* Stevenson.. So be it.

I don’t get the justification of all the “washed up” taglines regarding Baron Davis.

1) The guy is only 32yrs. old and has rarely gotten the opportunity to play at 100%.
2) Even a Baron Davis at 80% is a helluva lot better than a Toney Douglas at 110%.
3) There are quite a number of older, legitimate PG’s in the NBA having tremendous
success at this late stage of their careers (Ex. Jason Kidd)
4) Baron Davis’ G-d given talent to play the PG position is something that
Toney Douglas can never be taught.
5) Bulging, herniated discs can flare up from time to time if not treated properly.
Everybody who has ever worked a day in their lives has them and there are many
ways to deal with them, which any competent NBA medical staff knows. After all,
this is not communist Russia healthcare.

For Min, yes, definitely a no brainer.

If he sits out 8 weeks, we get him for the final few weeks for a playoff push. A healthy Davis with our lineup can go toe to toe with any lineup in the league.

K-Mart would definitely be the move to shore up that power rotation, imo. Hope they hold off on adding any more guards or swingmen; give Fields and Schumpert a good long look…

I think Odom is more of a natural 3. When I think 4 I think Amar’e, Dirk, Pau, David West, Zach Randolph, Kevin Love, etc. I think Posey would have a real hard time guarding them.

Also, Posey is four years older now, and last year with the Pacers he was largely ineffective. To me, 5 ppg and 3 rpg in 17 mins for a 34-year-old does not equal $2.5 mil. He can have the minimum.

I read that they found him a threatening heart condition in his first medical, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise.

Fields days where numbered at the SG spot as soon as they drafted the rook, Fields has never been a legit SG & still is not. His inflated #’s last year where more system based along with the fact that before Melo NOBODY was rebounding so they where easy pickings! The guy is a good person & gives you what he has but that is a very limited player who is more heart then skill.

The rook was taken more to defend then to score knowing we face dynamic guard play on a playoff run & we always got killed by Guards & Centers.

IMO just a matter of time until you hear the rook is the starting SG the same way we heard it last year.

We’ve seen nothing from Jordan.
To speculate, at this point, would be almost setting yourself up for dissapointment.
Let’s wait and see what he brings first.

People forget how lethal he can be in the HIGH pick n roll. At one point he was hands down the most dangerous player in the league when he ran it. He would create so much havoc while finding open shooters on the wings, feeding diving bigs at the rim along with getting his own shots. He would get to the line on the regular on top of getting quality looks and creating pure chaos for defenses.

D’antoni will get the most out of him offensively and I can’t wait to see what he still has left in the tank. This move is a complete no brainer and people need to realize this.

Vet min too? what a score for us.

And the swagggggggg. My lord this season is going to be entertaining.

Shumpert* homie get to know it, that boy is a baaaaaaaddddddd Mutha…

I would pocket the room if and only if we have assurances from Martin that he would take it in March

Now we need just Hump with Shump!

Wow imagine if we get Wilson back in the not so distant future…

Another supreme athlete to stick on LBJ and knock down shots, oh man the future is bright!!!!!

I am loving life right now!

Baron Davis a REAL PG! I love it! GET HEALTHY BRO!

Evans or Kirilenko should seriously be on The Knicks radar.

“I know hating on Douglas is everyone’s favorite pasttime here, but he’s capable of being a good player when he’s not forced to make decisions with the ball”.

This is called being a guard in the NBA. Every time you catch the ball, your supposed to be thinking about making the right decision. I don’t understand your reasoning. This team has superstars on it yet you want to develop the rookies and youngsters? That’s what practice and scrimmages are for. Any team in the NBA does the same.
What makes you so sure Bibby will take many minutes away from Shump?
I think Shump and Davis could clearly be a great backcourt. Douglas needs to come off the bench for defense because that is all he seems to be able to do.
All Douglas has figured out in his years here, is how to kill the Knicks momentum with idiotic fouls on both ends of the floor. Let him come off the bench, commit all his fouls and go sit.

Can teams talk to Kmart even though he’s under contract over there?

So that would make Posey a 3 then. And I guess the Lakers and Celtics were playing that finals without true 4 and 5′s (no Bynum yet), because Posey and Odom were doing just that.

One thing about numbers, a lot of things effect them, so they’re not the most reliable source to base judgement. Character says much more about a person, the willing to compete, the willing to put your body on the line in crucial moments, and the willing to fight when motivated. Character doesn’t usually change for the worse when put in the line of desire (ie: a team capable of competing for championship). That’s much more reliable than numbers. I doubt playing for the Pacers is very motivating.

I say yes. Felton >> Billups >> Davis. And Mozgov >> Billups >> Chandler.

Serious with that clip?
Kinda cryin’ out for a remix by MC Jesse Itzler.

It’s funny how a lot of you guys have already demoted Fields to the bench with no hinting that this is even on the horizon. Not saying I don’t disagree and Shumpert may be the heir apparent. It’s just funny how many of you guys just fired him from starting SG position. He’s still practicing w/ the first unit. The coaches probably prefer to keep Shumpert on the bench still, especially for his versatility.

Let’s just see how season progresses. I for one think he has most to gain from Davis move. Amare n Melo will get there’s. Fields is a rhythm and flow player. Baron loves too push the ball and will run with Fields. Fields will get A LOT of nice passes and easy shots because of Baron who will set him up nicely.

This feels like one of those old Yankee moves. Sign washed up David Cone and he pitches a no- no. Sign fat David Wells and he throws no- hitters and win World Series games.

As Knick fan it feels great to know that we have two Superstards and everybody else can play a role. Draft a rookie and not putting the world on his shoulders.

The league is hatin. Especially mainstream sports media.

No problem haha. That’s why I come on here, to debate with other intelligent basketball fans. What would this site be if people didn’t “pick apart each other’s comments”? It certainly wouldn’t be much fun to comment then.

Getting to the point, I completely understand your POV and everyone’s POV really. I just think that with our depleted roster, it’s very important to develop the young talent that we do have, and I’m not sure that Baron Davis (we’re not talking about someone in their prime anymore) might not be such a huge upgrade over what we have that would make it worth it at the cost of not developing what we do have.

Good question

Ok good. Soooooo.

Felton, Mosgov, Randolph, Chandler, Gallo, and First rounder(who may turn out to be next mardy collins) for:

Melo, Chandler, and B Davis.

Thanks Denver!!! Couldn’t have done it without you!!!

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True, I realize heart plays some part. It’s part of why I think BD will work out. But I still don’t see Posey as a pure 4 or the answer to our backup PF problem. Not saying I don’t want him on the team, though. Melo needs a good backup too. I’m not trying to bash Posey I just don’t think he’s the ideal solution to our backup PF dilemma.

Bibby by necessity has to be taking minutes from someone. He’s GOING to PLAY for this coach, because he can shoot. That’s a given. At least 10 minutes a game. By necessity, those minutes are now coming out of all the other guards on the team.

And no, being a guard in the NBA does not always entail being a decision maker. Look at Jason Terry. That’s the kind of player I envision Douglas being, and the need for a good pg is minimized if we really are trying to run the offense through Melo like we should.

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Don’t forget Minny’s role in taking Eddy Curry off our hands. Just as important IYAM.

Hey starksoakmase, Baron took less money…….

I’m looking forward watching the Clips vs Lakers tonite on NBA TV!

I based the chemistry comment partially based on last year, partially based on what the players have been saying and partially about how they looked playing together during practices that have been televised.

I am not disagreeing with the signing, as my post said, I disagree that there is “There is absolutely nothing not to like” about it. There is a big difference.

1. 32 is pretty old for a pg, especially when that 32 year old is not known for keeping himself in good shape and is suffering from a seemingly serious back problem.
2) Baron Davis in his prime at 80% is much better than Toney Douglas. BD’s not in his prime anymore, and he hasn’t been for a few years now.
3) Name me ONE more pg who’s having tremendous success at that age who’s on a playoff team. Look at all the playoff teams- Westbrook, Conley, Rondo, D Rose, Teague, Lawson. PG is a really young position now, we saw last year that Chauncey just couldn’t keep up with the majority of NBA pgs.
4) Agreed, but is that what we really need on this team? I don’t know.

I hear you, but I would go so far as to say “there is absolutely nothing not to like” about this move. BD is a super ballplayer, and far superior, when right, to anybody the Knicks have otherwise in their backcourt (frankly, I think our starting backcourt will eventually consist of Davis and Shumpert).

I also think actually this could be a plus for Douglas. I much prefer him as a “combo guard” coming off the bench, getting minutes at both spots. Fields’ playing time might ultimately
suffer the most from all of this. He needs to pick up his game.

As with everything, time will tell.

I think Toney needs more seasoning. Iman, too. Both are combo guards but we’ll need a PG of the future. BD only signed for one year and if he plays well, he’ll demand a big contract, that I doubt the Knicks would give. We need to give Toney and Iman minutes to develop their PG skills. Fields should be traded while he still has some value. I don’t see him contributing much this year.

Anyway, again, “absolutely nothing” doesn’t jive with me given Baron’s well-documented history of being a malcontent. While I am actually happy he signed, I reserve the right to be concerned about his history.

Go Knicks!

Hey starksoakmase, I thought we would be, in your words, “royally f*cked” because of the Melo trade.

LOL…”Big Brother says, ‘Thou shalt not follow through on the 2.5M exception!’”

Sure would be! The second unit will be much better plus he got stuff to prove after the kim stuff & being disrespected by the nets.

Could be but I think the guard rotation to start will be TD & Sump with Melo playing point forward most of the time. When Melo sits I think Bibby comes in to help keep the ball moving.

Kobe is really p-i-s-s-e-d with management! The Lakers aren’t going anywhere this year. The Thunder and Clips are waiting to whump their a-s-s!

Melo can!!

Just alkina botu what we’re paying them. Even If I was getting paid 30 million from somewhere else, I still wouldn’t want JJ and Baalkman getting paid more than me no matter what. lol

HA, good!
I think the young guards will get a fair amount of PT and a nice balance of exposure to different styles of play from the vets. If i thought Toney D and Landry both of which i like could blossom into the backcourt that could propel this team of melo/amare/tyson to championship contenders by 2014…i might feel tend to agree with you more. As it stand with this team – toney and landry are best served as back ups and spark players. If one starts this is ok but i really do not believe both can be starters…niether can create for others or get in the paint to force the D to rotate.

Fields can not guard any SG, Fields has ZERO handle & can not create his own offense. Not sure why there is so much romance & denial when it comes to this guy. Big heart not much skill, there is no heir apparent because we did not have a SG last year. You can look at stats or you can look at the game & the facts. His numbers where inflated by not only the system but by the fact NOBODY was rebounding before Melo got here. This is fact not slander time to come to terms with it because being a bench guy in the NBA is his roll not an insult.

We will be playing the triangle next year so PG will not be as pivotal.

Im confused did he sign for the 2.5 or the vet minimum

blackwood1, In al honestly, I can really see this coach getting an extension. If he can’t win with this team, then it’s a shame.

There is no reason we can’t get to the conference finals. At minimum, the conf semi-finals. I’m alreay preparing myself that we may have this coach around much longer.

So as long as we win and play some defense, I can live with that

vet min!

Some players are good in a bad team, (Pre Melo) but when surrounded with real talent they get exposed. Hope thats not the case with Fields.

Fields will flourish with the 2nd unit backing up Melo IMO, so he can go back doing what he did pre Melo that made him so successful.

I hope Iman gets the start over Fields.

1) So your his doctor now? you know how serious his injury is?
2) FYI, I never wrote BD “in his prime”. I wrote an 80% healthy BD is still better than a 110% Douglas. In his prime? you honestly want to compare BD to Douglas? are you joking?
3)Well let’s see. For starters, there’s this PG in Dallas named JASON KIDD. Maybe you heard of him. Guess not.
4) “Is that what we really need on this team?” what are you referring to exactly? are you telling me we don’t need a PG with G-d given talent on this team?

I wouldn’t mind Kenyon for the $2.5. If just for watching these guys joking around on the bench behind Dantoni.

Oh well, just saw it come across, didn’t read the article. Would have been nice fit.

for Ya Andy & Landry Fans out there!!! Andy Rautins will land in Europe and sign with Lucentum Alicante in Spain!

I think Davis should be a starter, get the game started off right, minus the turnovers early in the game that could happen with Douglas. Davis is a penetrator which is good to get others involve which builds chemistry. Off the bence Douglas is electrified and the Knicks need that since their bence is kind of slim. What do you guys think?

Thanks time to add more pieces

1. So your his doctor now? I know that his injury is serious enough for his agent to say he’ll miss 10 weeks. What do you know?
2) No I don’t. You do. I don’t think an 80% Baron Davis from last year is that superior of an option IF the team is running the ball through Melo anyway and playing him costs us defensively.
3) What? haha, that didn’t answer my question at all. I said name one more pg besides Jason Kidd that’s past the age of 30 that’s seriously contributing to a playoff team. Can you? I guess I could give Andre Miller a shoutout, but he’s had to change his game tremendously to get there.
4) AGAIN, IF the team is intent on running the ball through Melo we don’t need a traditional assist PG in that respect. I’d rather focus on defense and shooting from my perimeter players. Dantoni seems pretty intent on running the offense through Melo, so I’m just going with that.

This is a win now team. Should we sacrifice winning waiting and hoping Douglas and Fields develop into something they may never be?

ok fair enough haha.

To be honest, I have no idea what Toney and Landry “are” at this point. Typically I like to give guys 3-4 years in the NBA before I can make a judgment on what their role is and how good they can be. Obviously that timetable has to be expedited with the state of our current roster, so I just want to make sure that Toney and Landry get a legitimate chance this season to contribute before making any kind of judgment on them.

OK excited we got him for ONE year. What about the long term plan. He won’t take vet min next year. What then??

Smart. He should have done that last year

Ok we all agree that BD should be the starter, but we dont know for sure when he will be able to play. So til BD is ready to play, who should start! I’m starting to think that Fields should definitely not be starting at SG. Iman definitely needs to be starting and I might feel more comfortable with Bibby starting at PG and having Iman guarding the better of the 2 guards for the other team. Or we can go TD and Iman! Or Iman at PG and Fields at SG.

What do you guys think should be our starting Backcourt til BD is ready?

Knicks should bring this intro back…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13r6ofuoxdk

Just read the article that talked about Chandler lobbying Davis. Great to know he’s doing every effort to making this roster as complete as possible. That’s a great attitude from a guy with plenty of experience.
His commitment to D, his leadership and presence will be fundamental for this team.
Since he arrived he’s only focus has been defense, and he was clear: ”defense won’t work if only one guy’s talkin’, it’s gotta everyone in it, or we’re gonna fail as a team”.
Even after the NJ game he was talking about the defensive mistakes made.
I have no doubt he’ll get on Amare and Melo’s face if they don’t commit to D like he does.
And that makes sleep safer at night before Knick games.

Agreed. One or two names away will make us not a threat, but a force to be reckoned with in the league.
Now we’re a threaet people are weary of. Soon, we’ll be a threat no one will want in their arenas.
Beware NBA, we’re back.

lmao.

Nick Young was looking for 9M settled for 1 yr 3M & change! Dont forget he is coming off a big contract & taking a 1 yr contract & doing big things here for 1 yr only increases his value the year after.

Don’t underestimate the Lakers.
They’re out for blood. They went out in an embarrassing fashion last season, and Champs hate to lose like that.
Several things must happen, though:
- Gasol can regain his usual dominance
- Mr. Bynum: start imposing.
- Barnes: be healty.
- Metta: uhh, well, just be Metta, huh?
- Fisher: prove you’re a PG.
- Kobe: be Kobe.

They’ll be good.

Hey sorry wanted to reply to your reply as well but the site wont let me. I really do believe he will be motivated to end his career where it started NY KNICKS!! The roster is really lining up for the triangle perfectly.

“Hi Phil”

looks like we’re going to sign Steve Novak .. there is our stretch 4 .. he’s a knock down shooter, not much of anything else .. but i’ll take it .. Lets Go Knicks !!

Landry Fields came back to earth once he was on a squad that had a couple real scorers. He couldn’t adapt. That said, it wasn’t a “chemistry” issue, in that everyone still got along and supported each other. Anyway, so far BD seems to be saying all the right things. Let’s see how it goes. I know he can play with heart when he wants to, and I guess he wants to now.

Agreed. Even so, i’m not even talking about getting to the finals. I just feel like Nash, Billups several other
PG’s that this guy calls “old” are still having success and are very effective players.