Recap: Bucks 100 Knicks 86

This team is AT ROCK BOTTOM, that’s it.. we’re one of the worst teams in the NBA with the 8th highest payroll. I’ve never been more embarrassed to be a Knicks fan, and that includes the Isiah Thomas days..

It’s THAT bad.

There’s a 3-word solution that will a least give us a chance. Anyone want to guess those 3 words?

Yep. That move should have been made a week ago.

The worst part about all this losing, is knowing NOTHING will change, personnel wise or philosophy wise.

As a fan it’s like, whats the point ? we love this team, but the feeling doesn’t seem mutual.

Jeff Van Gundy?

Today isn’t rockbottom, our loss tomorrow will be. After which our win streak starts.

Knicks rule of six.

You misspelled the word YEAR.

So did anyone see any “coaching” in that game? Yeah me either, This guy has got to go, my heart cant take this, that guys stupid pringles ass face is giving me an ulcer too!

Its a shame but WE SUCK. Its going to be a long season.

TommyDeeTKB
@alanhahn stick to the basics bro. Shumpert switching kills them.

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Never seen him say one bad word about the coach or Douglas but he’s quick to attack the rook. Its pathetic. Hey hows about the coach stop forcing the switches Tom.

as bad as it was under Thomas…to me it’s worse right now, just the fact that we have “stars” now makes it worse.

That’s not it

Warmer…

Cold…

We have,many times over. He simply refuses to implement them.

From a coaching standpoint yes. What I wouldn’t give for a Larry Brown with this roster.

Lord Jesus Christ

Cold…Ted Williams frozen head cold.

The Knicks have to make a change ASAP.

It’s obvious the two Antonis cannot coexist so someone has to go.

Two scenarios:

A. Hire a new head coach and coaching staff or give Mike Woodson a chance (my preference obviously).

B. Trade Carmelo Anthony for an elite point guard like Rajon Rondo or Deron Williams.

Now we just lost to one of the lowest scoring teams in the NBA..We just lost to a team that was 0 – 8 on the road. We let Jennings take a isht on the Garden Floor.

And now we have to face Denver…The 2nd highest scoring team in the NBA….they are #1 in Team Assists in the NBA….

If we can’t beat the Bucks…we have answers for DENVER?

Amare’s my man but he’s quit on the team. Melo just jacks up more shots…Shumpert is being asked to learn being an NBA PG on the fly..but he’s just a rook so tonight it showed.

But tonight..I finally heard a full throated Fire D’antoni chant. The end is near.

really…some of you are saying getting chandler is the problem? c’mon now…he is the only one playing with heart along with the rookies

Obviously…. just reminding everyone that our prior coach was worse… but the ONLY possible selection that would be a downgrade. Irony is missed on the angry… understandable.

as i said, next year, resign felton and wilson chandler at ALL costs. and be sure the coach is different.

Love how Tommy constantly criticizes Iman on twitter but defends TD who hasnt done one positive thing all season

Dear lord

Trade Melo? Seriously? you guys and hilarious.

Do both!

TD looks likes he playing JV ball for the first time.

@Mucha

would love Rondo on this team, but it’s not happenin. But I’ll gladly read your suggestions until something does change.

Fix this unbalanced losing machine & send Amare & Laundrybag for 2 months of Deron Williams w/ extension & a 2nd rounder.

And so it seems, only in dreams…

I think it is safe to say this team is a psychological mess.

No need to stay here if no blog highlights from brookdon coming…

Good night all!

”If there’s rock bottom…we’re getting very close.”

Really? If we look back to see who’s beat us, the manner in which the team’s lost -no will, no honor-, and the passion they’re leaving on the court, rock bottom’s already here.

And it’s here to stay.

But Tommy, I live in Philly and I didn’t hear what Bernard and Clyde had to say … AND I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY SAID.

WHAT DID THEY SAY?

SheSaidSpike same here…ugh.

Pat Cummings called

hes available

Definitely A imo. I think this frontline deserves a chance with a real coach, and a healthy Baron Davis. We gave the coach a chance to adjust the offense according to the roster he was given, and he failed. It was clear from the beginning that this wasn’t a D’Antoni team. We have plenty of talent on this roster imo. We just need a coach that can put it all together.

We need scoring and you want Rondo?

Deron Williams is the answer.

Fart noise

Time to build a bench. Make some China calls. We will be very busy before and by te deadline.

thanks! Why do you think it’s not happening? Both teams need to make changes…

best Wishes Tommy

I really don’t think Amare’s quit. He really looks physically limited to me. Simple rebounds he could be grabbing he’s not because he has no lift. I don’t know if its his knees or his back or if he put on too much muscle mass and that’s thrown off his mechanics, but all of his movements look slower than they used to be, as if he aged five years this offseason.

I agree, Chandler has been our most consistent player all season, it’s not even close.

Melo trade value spiralling……

You’d rather let Melo go than Amare?
I still think that under a good coach those two can coexist, so I’m not on the ”trade them” wagon just yet. But if I were to choose who to trade, I’d let Amare go. The return won’t be as good on any of those trades, so I’d rather let go the most damaging contract. Amare seems out of it. Lacks heart, leadership, passion, will, honor. If I had to choose, shades would be the one to go.

But above and beyond, you cut the coach before anything else. That’s the first step. If we still don’t see changes after a considerable amount of time, then we can talk about trades.
We do have to face the reality, though: this team would be lucky to get to the second round of the playoffs (because playing like this they won’t even get there).

Look if Melo was a bigtime playa then this team would have at least a few more wins
Lebron carried that whole team in Cleveland.

I said it before, Melo is a team killer. And Amare was a gigantic physical risk. I still don’t get the overvalue of Chandler. Can’t play without guards.
But hey, keep telling everyone what a teal Shumpert was at 17. Please.
This is the most unathletic team in the NBA. Hurts the eyes.

FROM ANOTHER BLOG: “Melo is a ballstopper. So is Kobe. What’s the difference between them? Kobe isn’t surrounded by DLeaguers, and the Knicks have no discernible offense. Compound that with the lack of shooters, depth and spacing. Those extenuating circumstances partially excuse Melo.

Melo is the only legitimate scoring option on this team right now, and a bad Melo shot is usually our best shot.”

But there’s only one prob we got have a grand total of 2 mil veteran/mid level bla bla bla

I think Rondo/Bass would make up for Amare’s scoring.

Haha. No, but not bad..

Denver still winning? damn this really makes Dolans look horrible.
Boy if you are Melo right now you must really be embarassed by
the records of the 2 teams.

i wonder why some players like JKidd can go anywhere an make players around them better…

I feel really sorry for Melo right now

i mean i know he forced his way to the Knicks so that he could make the
Xtras 40 million

but Nobody deserves this much embarassment…

poor Carmelo

As crazy as it sounds i think Steve Novak needs to play over guys like Bill Walker.. I dont care if he can play defense.. We need a guy that can spread the floor and hit a 3 point shot.

That’s easy waggy….
I have only made 1 post regarding the nuggets. Also it is appropriate since we will see them very soon. You on the other hand waggy, are posting about denver every 5 minutes…
You should take the time to examine some of your posts just the last 2 hours. Also it is a post on facts and stats not just saying things like
” hardee har har I told you guys I was right”

I would offer Melo, Toney Douglas and Josh Harrellson for Rajon Rondo, Brandon Bass and Keyon Dooling.

You’re right about the division thing but would it prevent both teams from making a move when they have nothing to lose and desperately need change?

“They are starting a rookie slashing guard at point guard in a system that requires a play making point guard to work”

This is why a lot of the blame does fall on the coach The “system” we are using doesn’t work with the players we have, and he hasn’t shown the ability to adjust accordingly. You make a lot of good points, but its the coaches job to put his players in the best position to succeed.

Repost – you really don’t like the guy do you.

NY where guys think playing a game of 21 means they know something about Bballin

I was gonna like this but you already have 6 likes and I didn’t wanna jinx the rule.

the way we are going….we will beat denver tomm n they will give antoni an extension….

hate wishing for a loss but tomm nite has me thinking…..

I like Carmelo more than Amar’e but I don’t think STAT has any trade value because of his knee and back injuries. Agreed about the coach.

Dolans like a Magnet for mediocrity

Denver has a good coach and NY does not. Denver also has depth NY does not. Denver will also soon have to pay all the talent on the team. So expect Denver to lose some of those players. They still have to pay Gallo and Ty Lawson and try to keep the team together.

Dolan doesn’t care if he looks horrible and he doesn’t care that Denver is winning. He cares that the Garden is sold out for every Knicks and Ranger game. Denver can go undefeated and they will still not win a chip. We all know it’s gonna be MIA vs OKC

I’d be willing to try anything at this point!

dude get real it was rock bottom since day 1 of the season when they threw out douglas at point guard, that set the tone for the beginning of a lousy season. plus no guards, no bench and cant seriouly expect to win at a pro level.

now is DEFINITELY the time to use humor to get us thru this? lol

We still haven’t matched our two (one with that beloved team before “The Trade”) longest losing streaks from last year.

Oh, and for the record, we never had a 13 game win streak.

forget these bums….LETS GO GIANTS….watch this clip, especially the last 40 seconds when coughlin gets crankin….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcJjzfGHw-w

Excellent post

LOL

lol…bring in jr, lillwill, etc….with what salary could we get more than one player? and why would they def come to the knicks? sure baron could help, no doubt….and it would obviously be better to trade stat than melo, but his contract makes it impossible, so if you can get an elite pg for melo, namely dwill, than it’s a no brainer at the deadline, but of course if the nets think they can still get dwight, that won’t happen…

and toney douglas, bill walker, fields, balkman? get real

okay…here we go:

Pre Melo Knicks:

28 wins – 26 Losses (Winning Team)

Post Melo Knicks

20 wins – 27 Losses (Losing Team)

With the same coach no less …. so now I’m ready to hear the Trade stans comeback for that one.

MR.DOLAN…..WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR U TO GET RID OF DANTONI? HOW MUCH MORE EMBARASSING AND DISRESPECTFUL NIGHTS WILL U ALLOW TO HAPPEN B4 U REMOVE THIS GUY FROM HIS POSITION? THIS IS PITIFUL!! THE 76ERS HAVE A WAY BETTER RECORD WITH NO BIG THREE!!! THEY BARELY HAVE A BIG ONE. I DON’T SEE HOW THIS IS ACCEPTABLE!! I’M NOT BLAMING ANY PLAYERS BCUZ THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW A PLAN EVERY NIGHT…..I’M PISSED OFF AT THE PLANNER…….FIRE DANTONI!!! FIRE SCAMFONI!!!!

I think its safe to say the knikcs have no guards and bench. do u seriously expect them to win minus this? if so why?

steve blake

reddick

Thank you.

I still can’t understand how people can judge this team against one that has been building a team for 7 years.

NY sports fans’ basketball IQ’s have taken a significant dip in the last few years lol.

JJ sucks, I feel bad for him when he steps on the court. Melo and Stat seem to distance themseleves from that mistake!

Havent we waited long enough?

can’t wait to hear the reception Gallo gets tomorrow. somewhere Walsh will be smiling while Dolan and Melo fume. can i get odds on melo getting tossed tomorrow again when we are down 25 and he is shooting 6-26

TD looks like he needs to get TRADED!

Thank you… I don’t know why that individual keeps saying the Knicks had a 13 game winning streak last season.

delusions of Gallo & Mosgov grandeur

sorry but toney douglas has had 15 poor games now andf he is now waived, benched or put on injured reserve. ny must be desperate for players to continue to play a 30 percent shooter who cant pass, defend or make basic fundamental plays. bill walker should have been waived, jeffries should have been waived, balkman should have been waived. time for the knicks to take chances and give some other players a chance to produce. waiver wirers and d league are calling.

Hope you get good results tomorrow Tommy.

Still not understanding how and why Jeffries has moved ahead of Jorts in the reserve rotation.

Free Barrabbas…
CRUCIFY D’ANTONI!!!

Hey..AT LEAST Melo showed some Emotion..He was p!ssed we were losing and it bothered him..How could u be mad at that.These BUMS from other teams come in here and start pushing us around,laughing talkin ish and all we do is continue to shoot bricks while Antoni yells “Lets go lets go lets go”…geesh..be gone already antoni, put Bernard king on the bench with woodson for the resst of the season and lets ride out with some HEART at least..I guarantee if we had Woodson coaching with BK and maybe Anthony Mason or Starks on the bench the games would at least be more competitive even if we do lose…TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT ALREADY!

Get SCAMTONI outta here and SCAMAE

Thanks Donnie u look worse than ZEKE

None of this pre/post trade stuff when we were above .500

just saying

(and yes most of us wanted to make moves when we were decent, so my post is rebuttal proof)

Of course no judgment, we are all (unfortunately) knicks fans haha, bound by longing and misery. That is an intriguing trade…I suppose i’d consider it. I’m worried though that STAT just wont be the same player…him and Baron have one healthy back combined.

Do you think Deron and Melo could co-exist?…I dont

BTW big fan of your MSU days haha

Is there really a coach that can do better with this team? I mean seriously i understand your hatred for dantoni but sorry this roster is seriously limited to a point and now the 2 start melo and stat are struggling so things have come to a scretching halt.

Jorts doesnt sacrafice his body like JJ does.

They want to blame it on that shoulder surgery… BS

…in a system that requires a play making point guard to work.

Um… and why is he running that “system”?

Saying a prayer for you Tommy.

MELO turns street real quick! Remember when he played for the Nuggets and got into it with the Knicks. Melo back peddled to half court with a smile on his face, and his hands up ready to fight. If only he focused that energy on the court!

r u serious? Jorts plays much harder and better than Jeffries does.

Tommy D i see you are posting under a new moniker….

dantoni obviously cant handle star power…he is supposedly an offensive wizard…but now that he has one of the best offensive weapons on his team, who just so happens to not fit his philosophy, he has become a thoughtless coward deferring to melo’s style…dantoni is a bum, and im ITALIAN lol

The Knicks defense was absent again tonight. So he was being checked by the fans in the crowd.

This team is a first round out in the playoffs with Antoni or Jerry Sloan. This team simply doesnt work and there not very good.

Your telling me with 50 games of you and a friend playing a pickup game you cant figure out how to play together with or without a coach? I play pickup games with friends and after a couple of games you get familiar. Your telling me professionals and all stars cant do this. Come on your smarter than that

Basketball is basketball. Having both of them completely dominate the ball ruins the whole team philosophy of basketball. A new coach doesnt change who our players are and there flaws as much as everyone wants to believe that it will. These players are who they are. Sloan cant turn Melo into what he’s not, and make Stat play defense and post people up.

Stat cant play defense. He has no post up game. Chandler has no post up game. Melo needs one on one. Stat goes one on one. Neither stat or Melo care about defense. This team is what it is. Stop acting like Antoni is the only reason we suck. And that Phil Jackson makes us compete with the heat.

I agree with you about the PG part but there is no way a trade for Melo goes down. Number one Williams is a FA next year so even if you make the trade what guarantee do you have that D-Will won’t walk?

There’s this coach who likes scarves..ah forget it.

I could care less about Denever winning. We got MELO!

I dont think we need anymore 3 point attempts…

I disagree…they shoot the ball well they are already a 500 team……

they are playing as bad as they can possibly play with out a competent pg…..

….with a competent pg, play with effort and shoot the ball reasonably well our record is alot different….

tomarrow night is gonna be very very interesting.

im not rooting for a loss, as i never could do that to the knicks but a loss wouldnt be a bad thing at all…for obvious reasons.

will coaching cure all the problems? NO! absolutely not. but theres no possible way giving the team to woodson at this point will make us worse. lets get rid of dantoni and move on…see what happens.

i have nothing else to say. this is more disappointing then when starbury came here.

to be continued…

I don’t think Van Gundy would come back.

I dont know about that trade being possible but I agree with you about pg being important. I know people chanting Lets go Giants. But how well would the Giants do without a qb?
BTW- Lets go Giants!

I feel your comment and I like most Knick fans am disgusted with the coach and the players right now but we all know we can’t move the players. It falls on the coach to prepare and motivate his troops and lets face it the coach has lost this team, we’ve seen this kinda thing hundreds of times in many sports.

agreed…starks gave his heart and soul for this franchise!

We suck and I don’t mean this as an excuse, but why are other teams allowed to travel with the ball constantly. I have noticed at least three obvious calls in almost every game this year that haven’t been made.

before the season, people picked this team to go as far as the conference finals n lose to the heat….

granted a coaching change will not fix our problems but IT IS A START!!!!!

we shoot the ball well in a few of these games we get a few more wins and we are almost back to 500…..

things are aweful right now but someone has to be held accountable for this dispicable display of basketball at msg….

…if the coach does not hold the players accountable why should’nt antoni be responsible for his team?

we are real bad right now n we need a change because any coach that can put an emphasis on the basics can coach this team to at least a second round playoff run…..

Melo is the the most overrated STAR of his time

Sorry i ment MelA

Arenas…we have nothing to lose at this point, except more games

We sucked during the game that Melo missed due to injury

The “coach” should have sat him for a couple plays and told him to attack the basket and stop shooting from outside. Instead Mike does nothing and just keeps saying “Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go” (I guess he thought he’d shoot his way out of it, but he hasn’t looked nearly as confident since.

Forcing TD to play PG early on destroyed his confidence and Fields getting burned nightly playing out of position at the 2 (when he’s clearly a 3) I think has affected his confidence as well (hopefully he’s beginning to snap out of it as he showed flashes tonight).

No shots at Melo, but Shump needs to be more vocal and call better plays once he crosses half-court as opposed to giving the ball to Melo and running in the opposite direction.

Carmelo played terrible, but he did make a couple good passes and no one was hitting. _’antoni wants the ball handed off to Carmelo to run the point forward, but I think he’d be better on the block and passing from there.

imagine jorts actually being coached n not just throwing up 3s…..

he could be the ultimate hustle player IF COACHED!!!!!!

the same could be said for shump…..

I still believe in this team but they need to be coached!!!!!!

IF SCOTT SKILES WAS SITTING ON THE KNICKS SIDELINE AND PRINGLES WAS SITTING ON THE BUCKS SIDELINE, WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD’VE WON THIS GAME?

DING DING DING …THATS RIGHT FOLKS, YOU GUESSED IT. THE KNICKS. PRINGLES JUST CANNOT GET THE JOB DONE.
so yes, its pringles fault they cant even compete with the crappy bucks, let alone win the game.

That’s not a 13 game winning streak.

No chance the Hornets would have taken that deal.

Maybe Antoni lost his team but who’s fault is that? Stat loves Antoni, Douglas and Fields liked Antoni. Everyone who’s played for him has liked him. Melo comes in and does the exact opposite of Antoni, maybe people are getting annoyed at Melo also. Maybe Melo is the fault of this coach losing his team.

I keep saying it Karl didn’t want Melo to play the way he did and could never change Melo .

I hate Antoni but he is well respected by players. and I really respect Karl. If those two cant change Melo what makes anyone think Melo can become the player we thought we where getting. All he is is a one on one scorer who ruins the flow of the offense.

Check out my thoughts here: http://heathersportsworld.word…

wanted lawson from that draft

Exactly. Any serviceable pg would do. Could backup BD and let Fields and Shump slide over to their natural positions. Make it easier for everyone. This team has potential but gotta make moves to get the offense going before implosion occurs. Pg is a great place to start. Or does a pg really not affect the offense and its all Melo and Amare’s fault (as some doomsday trolls would have us believe).

Agent Zero, B Diddy, Melo and Stat. Wow that would be like an early mid 2000s wish list. Not so much now. Knicks get ‘em when they are old used up and fading. The hand me downs. Except they still pay 5th Avenue prices for ‘em.

Unfortunately I agree Tommy, this is not yet rock bottom but we are close. This team is a joke and a disgrace to the uniform. Screw the coach and screw every single player on this team. I can’t recall being more disappointed in a player than I am in Melo- I really thought this guy was a superstar and I thought he would take the next step this year but he’s not a superstar and if anything he’s regressed. He’s just a chucker who plays poor defense and doesn’t understand team basketball. Stemming from this has been a complete regression in the play of every other person on this roster- There’s just no chemistry and ball movement and Amare is not the same player with Melo chucking and being a ballhog and Tyson taking up space in the middle. The Melo trade has been a total disaster and a complete failure so far. The old team didn’t have enough talent to win but was young, hungry, exciting, and competitive. This new Melo team isn’t even a team at all- It’s just Melo chucking with some breaks for Amare and Shump to chuck in between. Really boring to watch and again, absolutely no chemistry or teamwork.

Quick numbered thoughts:
1) It continues to amaze me how poor of a job Dantoni has done. It continues to amaze me that this fool still has a job. Can we fire this clown already?

2) Toney Douglas needs to be benched, cut, or traded. He’s not doing anything of value on the court, and is clearly psyched out and lacks any confidence. Either bench the guy before he loses his last bit of trade value (which I think honestly has happened already anyway and he’s useless), or try and trade him. He’s miserable and doesn’t belong on a court right now.

2. Along the same lines, just cut Jared Jeffries and Mike Bibby and give their roster spots to someone who can actually dribble and play point and a shooter who can actually shoot. Neither one of these guys ever deserves to see the court ever again. Sadly, Bibby is our best option at pg. What a joke.

3) Get Bill Walker out of the rotation. I’d rather see Novak for his shooting or Balkman for his defense. Walkers another chucker who plays no defense and doesn’t understand team basketball.

4) Send some kind of message to Melo and Amare by benching them or something. Neither one cares at all about defense and both are awful chuckers who don’t understand how to move the ball or play team basketball. Some kind of message needs to be sent to these guys to change their acts- You would hope stars would want to win and do whatever it takes to get there but then again maybe these guys aren’t stars. They’re just good scorers who are entirely one-dimensional.

Anyway, eff this team and everyone on it. I’m ashamed to be a Knicks fan.

gotta disagree, tyson is not the problem. amare looks shot after one season, he is not playing like a max player but he is paid like one for a total of 5 seasons.

we can get a real good pg next year but we are gonna have to pray baron is healthy in a few weeks

Yeah, D’Antoni just allows ill-advised shots game after game (for 4 damn years), and waits for any 1 particular player to get “hot.”

He sux as a coach…, no strategy witout a premier PG, doesn’t understand the half-court set, never preached defense, and does not know the meaning of discipline.

Like I stated on an earlier post, D’Antoni is the WORST possible 1st coach for a young talented player to have coming into the NBA.

Hopefully Shump, TD, Jorts, and fields can retrieve themselves because D’Antoni is not the coach to assist them.

He wasn’t p!ssed ’cause the Knicks were losing. He was p!seed ’cause that little Jennings guy outplayed him big time. It’s a ego thing, not a team pride one.

We could have kept Billups this year- rode his contract out- and IF Amare played like this- amnestied him after the season with both Amare AND Billups’ contracts coming off the books. We could have then signed either Dwight Howard and Steve Nash OR Deron Williams and a mix of talent. Melo, D-12, Nash, Jorts and Shumpert

The truth is Walsh signed Amare to try and lure Lebron to NY! That obviously back fired! From that day on, Walsh promised along with Amare that they were going to bring another superstar to NY!

Walsh wanted this and sold the idea to the media and fans and we all bought into it!

Another thing…. For you Gallo and Chandler lovers out there blaming Melo because your boys are no longer here! The fact is regardless whomever Donnie chased to add a 2nd star to the team, Gallo and Candler would be included in the deals as center pieces! They would have been gone regardless of Melo or not!

Donnie decides to offer Chandler over Fields by the way because Fields was his pick. Chandler was Isaiah’s.

I want to get rid of D’antoni, but I do not think that Woodson is the answer. I want someone new to come in to help inspire the team for ‘change’. Someone who can take authority. The problem with Woodson is that he’s already been a voice in the locker room and on the sidelines and I don’t think that voice will speak loudly enough to turn the team around as everyone is already so disgruntled. We need someone serious to step up and demand a change, and that someone needs to be new.

What about not using Anthony Randolph. If Randolph had those 30 point 10 rebound 2 block games with the Knicks we prob could have kept Felton. Instead we play Jeffries.

I no some one mentioned the Knicks messed up when they amnestied Billups i completely agree. This team wasn’t competing this year, and if the GM doesnt know this he should be fired. It’s his job to know how good his team is.

If he knew we wouldn’t compete why sign chandler wait till we get a lot of money off the books and go nuts.

Yea! I’m not into Woodson either. His body language sitting in the bench or In interviews are not that awe inspiring!

At this point! If Amare has to tell the team to try and buy into the system is a major red flag to me! Tells me the coach has lost his players and usually, if a leader has lost his team, fails to inspire then there is reason. Change with the coach is needed.

Not true bruh! When Melo came to Denver it was only him and lead the team to the playoffs every year in a very tough western conference! Over time tho, Denver’s supporting cast got a heck better. Don’t be fooled! It’s really this damn coach!

“Hey it’s George.. I’ve got nothing to say..”

From Seinfeld.

That’s how down I am right now…

is the lockout still an option?

Yes, God bless you and your family TD!

Tommy, sending good vibes and positive energy. Hope everything turns out fine.

The Knicks have a losing record since Carmelo Anthony got here. Need I say more. Most Knick fans including the media love his name, his scoring, his star power, etc., whatever you want to call it. But, he’s just not a good basketball player. He always gives off the body language that “he has to shoot the basketball” at all costs. He’s not a smart player, he’s a jock, he doesn’t play basketball the right way, he receives the ball and shoots and rarely relinquishes the ball to facilitate ball movement among his teammates. Basketball is about sharing, playing defense and trusting your teammates. Anthony displays none of these qualities. The reason Amare’s numbers are down is that he doesn’t receive the basketball nearly as much as he did before Anthony came to the team and he doesn’t receive the basketball at the right moments. Anthony struts around like he’s Michael Jordan. That’s really the crux of the problem. For fans who can remember, Carmelo Anthony plays team basketball like Bob McAdoo and Spencer Haywood did; you get my drift.

+1 Welcome to the bitter taste of Reality.

I say fire the coach and see what happens. If things continue to be so bad, then let’s think trades.

Lawd forbid Denver beats the Knicks tomorrow because the *ANTI-TRADE* fellas are going to have a blast on this forum.

sheesh

The answer is simple folks, time for a coaching change… Its obvious we need a point guard but we shouldn’t be playing this bad.. We don’t have a huge problem scoring so there are issues in the court as a team thats causing us to lose games we should be winning. Its time for D’antoni to go.

Melo’s comments following the game: http://www.msg.com/videos/carmelo-postgame-loss-to-bucks-120

I agree with this. Melo was incredible a few years ago when he took that Denver team to the conference finals against the Lakers.

But since then, that team did nothing until Melo left. Coach Karl clearly had problems with him, and they’ve been much better since he left. Every player on their team seems to have improved since Melo left, while every single player on the Knicks seems to have regressed in that same time period. At this point I have to wonder if there’s a common cause for both.

But yes I agree, the first move has to be to remove the coach. I really don’t get how he still has a job.

To answer your question – yes. It makes Boston worse.

Amare sucks without a PG. But him going to Boston, with Avery Bradley as the only other PG on their roster, while they already have KG, would be a horrific move for Boston to make. Not to mention no team will not take Amare bc of his contract. Now they’re going to get worse and take on the worst contract in the league for their PG who is locked up for 4 more years?

I think Amare needs to go back to the old goggles…

[ Tina Cervasio's interview with Brandon Jennings after the game ]

[ What was different for you and your teammates tonight ]

” We played with alot of energy and were able to move the ball well and knocking down shots against their defense.”

[ You scored a season high 36pts tonight what did you find that you were able to get open]

” When they were doing alot of switching i was able to create and get into the lane.”

* Tomorrow we get Ty Lawson ……..2009 draft haunting us on back to back nights.

Denver will not get a championship without a true star.They have not accomplished anything
and the difference between the Nuggets and the Knicks is Karl >Pringles..If the Knicks fire Pringles we still can turn it around with a point guard.

The Knicks have had a losing record NOT since Anthony got here. The Knicks have not looked good since Tyson Chandler got here.

The first two playoff games with Boston were competitive and Stat played big game one and Melo game two. With Stat and Billups getting hurt and with the heart-breaking first two games, we just didn’t have enough. We beat Miami in that exciting game. I even remember people wanting Miami in the first round of the playoffs.

So this season, Tyson comes in and the offense disappears. I don’t like Dantoni, but the one thing his team’s do is score. Offense is our biggest problem.

I have been a Knick fan since the days of Bob McAdoo. Came in too late to never see the Knicks win it all. I hope some day I will get to. I thought we could have won it all with the Ewing teams, and thought we were starting and on to something special last year, just missing a couple of pieces.

Tyson was wrong for this system, regardless of what the views are on the system, coach, or on Tyson. I like Tyson. He just doesn’t fit the offense, and Stat I’m sure has suffered as well from it. Taking threes? Please! With Stat, I can accept he doesn’t play defense well. Personally, who cares? When Dantoni’s system is working, its not really about the defense anyway.

Mela never took them to the west finals it was BILLUPS leadership

Mela will always be a 1 dimensional player same with AmaE

Lets also go back and revisist the First version of that trade: It was Gallinari, Fields or Chandler, Curry’s Expiring, a First round pick for Anthony and one of their bad contracts..and I think it was Al Buckets that was initially the throw in from Denver.

That was a tough one because I liked both Gallo and Will but that seemed like a decent deal and I supported THAT version of the trade. Fields was beasting at that time so it seemed like an even trade where everyone wins.

But Denver decided they wanted to get rid of Billups as well so they doubled down and demanded Felton and Mozgov and that we take billups so that we would be stuck with his 14 Mil option that was about to come due. That’s when I realized that Denver had jumped the shark and the price was too much. It was essentially gutting our team for one player and a has been and I didn’t see what we were getting out of the deal! We would go from young, athletic, exciting, to old and slow.

The first version of the trade it was basically a Melo for Gallo swap and I could live with that. The 2nd version was a Melo and Billups for Will Chandler, Felton, Gallinari, Moz, our 2014 first-round draft pick, and $3 million in cash.

That made absolutely NO SENSE from a BASKETBALL standpoint and I was horrified that no one could see how BAD that deal was for the T E A M.

But again, I and the others who were against that idiotic trade, have been proven right.

This was the approach I was leaning towards. We still could have had a solid team while maintaining our financial flexibility by opting for a dirt cheap “center by committee approach” (sign Kurt Thomas and Reggie Evans at the vet min, and rotate KT, Evans, Jorts, and Jordan at the C spot).

From day one I called it! I said this would be McAdoo/Haywood 2.0 but most Knick fans on this forum have no idea what I’m talking about.. their Knick memories only go back to Ewing and Starks.

If you equate “having a blast” = with us saying “We Told You So” and having the records and the stats to back it up..it’s already underway. But it’s not just us saying I told you so to the trade stans….

From Yesterday’s Daily News – Title:

Denver Nuggets walk away winners after NY Knicks gut team to bring Carmelo Anthony to Madison Square Garden:

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/denver-nuggets-walk-winners-ny-knicks-gut-team-bring-carmelo-anthony-madison-square-garden-article-1.1009134#ixzz1k4R6s1vw

I was against the trade from the beginning.

Melo a shooter that may shoot the most, but not have the most points. someone that disrespected the Knicks on their home court by punching someone then running away. I can go on if you like

Brian Shaw Triangle>

EEEEEEEEVERYBODY knows they switch TOO MUCH!!………Except who…?

You forgot one important fact! Donnie had a deal to just send Felton, Chandler & Gallo!

While true.. Donnie Balked taking back Billups because he wanted to keep Felton. He should have pulled the trigger right there, instead…..

He took his time and sat on it while using the very trait that he was known for and that was “being patient” he played the game of poker and he got burned!!! He waited too long and Denver upped the asking! Finally asking for the Moz to be included!

At that point you just have to do the freaking deal! Gallo, Chandler and the Moz where all distracted, playing poorly and hurt that they are part of the trade talks.

At that point it had to be done and guitar Jimmy stepped in and closed the deal.

Finally, on Fields! Donnie prefered to keep Fields over Chandler. IMO, Donnie preferred Fields because Donnie drafted him as the steal of the draft! While Chandler was Isiah’s pick! So for Willy Chan supporters… We could have still have Chandler on this team.

The blame should be on Donnie on that one.

Rubio will be the best p.g in the league in 3 years, this dude has crazy court vision and passing is 110

Yea Rubio is pretty exciting to watch

Everyone can agree that its time for Mike D’antoni to go. I agree that the Felton signing was great.

Billups coudn’t penetrate off the dribble or get into the paint. Felton could do it at will. Both guys would chuck up shots and clang it off the rim more often than not. But the difference is that when Felton was here..he averaged 9 assists per game vs. Billups 4.. thats what I miss most. Felton passing to open players and them hitting open shots vs the b.s. we’re witnessing now.

Obviously need a PG hope BD is getting healthy. That said it really appears even offensive minded DAntoni can’t get Melo and Amare to mesh. Knicks could have 2 max out superstars who appear past their prime. How bout trading for Fredette, the Kings aren’t using him much and he can;t fit into their system. Dantoni realy liked him in combines. He can shoot and score something the Knicks can’t do. He’s doing nothing in Sacramento, maybe the’d trade him.

why are my posts not be psted

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Dude is showing he wants to win more than anyone on this team

we have two (True stars) and we aint any closer then Denver is…Donnie Walsh had a chance to draft Jennings ..took jordan hill instead,in a PG heavy draft wemended up with ZILCH! Rubio,Jennings,Holliday,Maynor etc..Donnie Walsh…His plan sucked and his execution was worse

i swear,it was more fun watching ZBo,Crawford ,DeeLee,Gallo Chandler….i would have rather justnadded new guys to that group….oh i also forgot Jeff tigue,another PG Donnie missed on.I have two tix to tomorrows game,i dont know who to root for

Lol! I’m trying to post a article about Amare from Sheridan hoops &’you guys delete it????

What going on TKB! Don’t like the article about Amare by Moke Hammilton??

He was dropping 9 dimes a game. He could run the Pick n Roll he could pass..he could penetrate off the dribble, get into the paint, and push the ball. Right now with Portland he’s avg 7.3 dimes a game and helping them play winning basketball. Under D’antoni he might be chucking the 3..but he’d be a HUGE improvement over what we have right now.

Props on the Scamtoni Dude, when i saw your post lastnite or 2 nights ago with Scamtoni And hamtoni i was LMAO

Let’s just see how Baron plays!!! Hopefully he can be nearly as good as Felton at this point of his career! I have faith Baron will help turn things around!! The only caveat is if Baron plays well, he may just save Dantoni for this season… at least.

Dude are you high? We won’t get no wear with that team lol Be the same sh*t we seeing now. Get the coach out of here and Amare horrible contract and Knees (if Baron don’t solve are problems. You don’t trade a SF that is a prolific scorer.

Amare like a small foward in a PF body. When was the last time Amare hit a game winning shot? I think he never did…correct me if im wrong. Not dissing Amari, I like him, but you move him first even if you don’t get max value for him.

Very interesting read….

LMAO! So true, but i will say we should be winning more then what we are now. Are losses are complete embarrasment lol

Whatever you smoking is some grade A stuff!

we need jr smith and jennings lol, lose jeffries, baron davis needs to man up now too

What type drug do you use?

You’re absolutely right on both points. This squad has been torn up and reconstructed about 4 times in the last 2 years and people are wondering why we aren’t the 3 seed in the east. The coach is just about done and we still have a ton of roster moves to make.
Our stars aren’t facilitators and they all
need one to function properly. There’s plenty of reason to be optimistic about the future, but let’s be real here we have to fill out the roster because these scrubs on the bench ain’t cutting it HaS.
I expect us to slip in the back door come playoff time and possibly make some noise, but we need a facilitator and a new voice on the sidelines to make it happen.

i would trade stat chandler and any other guard for d12

that’s fine by me…

I can’t wait till our genius owner tries Herb Williams again.

You know something I was the biggest advocate for getting Melo here, I wasn’t as big on Amare, but Melo yes then over these past couple of games I noticed that no one on the team is a leader including the coach. Melo wanted to be thrown out of the game becuase the team was losing and he was frustrated which to me is inexcusable and a punk move if you ask me, Amare is playing like he don’t care and don’t wanna be bothered and all over whether it be on ESPN or NBA Gametime or TNT with Charles, Shaq and the crew they all say something aint right. If the players are conspiring to get Mike fired then I am not feeling that becuase then when does it end? So Woodson takes over or Herb then what when the teams still don’t win or play up to their capabilities they gonna quit on them too? Here is my realistic and unrealistic solution (blow it up)! I am talking get rid of Mike it is his last year anyway, trade Amare and whoever else not named Melo and Tyson to the Grizzlies for Rudy Gay and trade Melo to the Nets where he wanted to be if he couldn’t be a Knick and get Deron. We are talking a much balanced team with a top 5 pg, an up coming or already there superstar in Rudy a defensive and locker room presence in Tyson and we can fill in the two guard and 4 much more easily depending on who stays on the team if these trades go down. Again I wanted Melo here but what he pulled has me saying its time for him to go along with I don’t feel like playing Amare.

Chandler would still “be in the way”, the “coach” simply can’t make 2 big men work. It’s either stretch 4 or playing PF at C and SF at PF.

If any TWO players are inside the 3 point arc he can’t make it work. 1 in 4 out baby, ’til the wheels fall off.

Are you even a Knicks fan? Seriously enough with this revisionist crap and get off Gallo’s tip already.

Sean, trading from weakness will result ,in my opinion, in bringing in more problems then players. Stats is playing at about50% of last year, Mello is getting very frustrated with the coach and the guards. He actually played the point last night and moved the ball, but to no avail, as no one could actually do anything with it save Joorts who made a corner J. I see the only real solutions as 1. getting rid of the coaching staff and bring in an entirely new one. JVG would be a great pick, but Dolan and he do not get along and that is not going to happen. Mike Frattello is or at least has been a good coach, and might try. No one on their current staff will effect a change in attitude from my point of view. Long shots are some of the former players working for NBA and TBS. When doing this the GM position should also addressed. They actually created some of the disarray by not having at least 2 pgs before unloading Billups. 2. I would start bringing in pgs to try out and see if any can be serviceable. The goal now has to bring in fresh coaches add true pgs and set realistic goals (make the playoffs) for these players to take the pressure off and clean up what is an unwatchable mess

I think Kurt knew what was up in NY and didn`t want any part of it

Funny how I’m reading how D’Antoni lost the team and should be fired. While I agree, he’s not the right coach for this team, the way it’s built right now, I think everyone forgets how much BETTER we were without Carmelo. The fact that Dolan gave away all that he did to a team with a highly disgruntled star is the key. That trade took stripped us of 1) ALL our depth 2) Future picks 3)Cap flexibility 4)Team chemistry. Looks like Walsh was right to be concerned he was giving up too much. For those of you that thought you had all the answers and that getting Carmelo would make us instant contenders and screw chemistry, depth and future picks…these are YOUR NEW YORK KNICKS! That Knick team before the trade was fun to watch and easy to root for. Now, it’s all about isolations and no ball movement (partly because of lack of back court players).

Management should never have picked up CB’s option, let him go without wasting their amnesty (another ridiculous move), Stat has all but vanished playing next to Carmelo as Melo milks the clock and Stat is all about the pick and roll and movement towards the lane. Reports are Barron Davis can be back as soon as next week, we better pray that he has something left in the tank, because if he doesn’t, this team is scrapping to get into the playoffs and get absolutely annihilated 1st round by either Miami or Chicago.

Oh and for all those that cheered the Melo trade: Nuggets are 28-12 since the trade, Knicks are 20-22. There is a lot of blame to throw around and D’Antoni is not scott-free of it. That said, there is a lot of blame to pass around with a majority of it going to our over zealous undisciplined owner Dolan. He stripped our GM of his power, agreed to Denver’s demands when he was the only option in town and crippled this organization going forward. And if you think Anthony is not guilty and has bought into D’Antoni’s ball movement system…not sure what you’ve been watching.

D’Antoni is getting fired, could be in a week, could be in a month, but he’s gone. Knicks will make their new defensive guru coach but that’s not going to make things better. This team is flawed and Knicks fans will be soon be rooting again for “next year.”

Hey i understand the possible hiccups in moving Amare but you are a little crazy if you think Amare has even near the talent that Carmelo has. These are both two offensive minded players right? One guy can get his shot any where on the floor and the other needs an capable point guard to be effective. Amare is not a low post dominant big man he is a face up slasher who have an average jump shot. You can replace Amare skill set. Its arguable that for all the flash Amare gives you no more prduction than Zach Randolph or Kevin Love look at the numbers. However, Carmelo’s skill set is only replaceable by three or four guys in the league. Amare didnt win anything either and had an even better team with the suns than Carmelo.

Both have flaws no doubt but Amare’s production is more replaceable than what Melo gives you. What we need is the right system. You bring in Jackson with his triangle offense and give Melo a Kobe role it might work better. Putting Melo in a D’antoni fast pace system is not the right fit for Melo’s style. Thats why I said this team has little identity because amare is built for the fast pace passing shooting style of D’Antoni and Melo is just not. THis team needs to decide whether offense will cateer to Melo’s game or Amare’s. And if I had to choose it would be Melo’s.

Does Melo shoot to much, yes. Does Melo need to shoot a higher percentage, yes. However let me ask this question fellow knick fans, if you were Melo who on this team that’s playing would you pass it to? There is nobody that plays can make shots, which leads to selfish play. I see melo pass the ball several times to a wide open fields who either shoots a brick or turns down the shot. Amare has had decent shots when he’s not trying to run over people and it’s a brick. Shumpert can’t shoot. Td can’t hit the side of the barn. So I go back to my original question. If you were melo who would you pass the ball to for a better shot then you are going to take..

There is a reason besides the West being deep why Melo who was surrounded with better talent, and a better coach did not elevate the Nuggets. He is s selfish player that alienates his teammates. Until he corrects his attitude we will continue to underachieve.

You noticed that Boston scored 71 last night without Rondo. Point guard is the most
important position in the game. Grunwald deserves blame for trading Billups without
setting up a replacement. If he and the coach were stupid enough to believe Douglas
could do the job they both should be fired. I say trade Melo right now for Williams on
condition that Williams sign a long term contract. Unless they make a trade they will be
the worst team in the league. Davis may come back but now they are saying it may take
two more weeks.

This Tyson Chandler Deal is winding up being a Disaster! We had Turiaf at Center who was not great but competent! With the addition of Harrellson, we would of been competent in the front court- Amare, Turiaf, Harrellson, Jefferies!

Starters would of been Billups, Iman, Melo, Stat, Turiaf
Bench- Fields, Douglas, Harrelson, Jefferies

I was a little nervous about the addition of Chandler when it happened, but then I started listening to the reporters about how good our front court will be. But my main concern was scoring, billups was the floor general and the 3rd scoring option, but now hes gone.
I figured stat and melo would together combine for 50-60 pts, but could not figure out where the other 40-50 pts would come from each night!

Now our hopes are that Baron Davis can fill Billups role. I was feeling ok about that until i heard his interview last night. He stated that he thought he was done playing basketball- thats how bad his back is/was. Now were hoping in this condensed schedule that he will be able to remain healthy- pain free in his back. That just seems ludicrous to me.

hit it right on the head, He is trying and they are bricking, many here are so jealous they cannot see what is happening because they long for their fun team of last year and blame mello for its demise . Mello didn`t make the trade, Mello said he wants to play for the Knicks, Dolan made the trade, take your anger out on him, not the player. He wants rings, he has ncaa title, olympic gold, and he wants rings. He is playing hurt, playing the point, passing to stiffs, doing what he can, we all want superman every night, we want D Williams today, well guess what he made Sloane quit the game, think about that you might be getting. Is he doing much to lead the Nets to the promised land?

OMG mozgov?!

Didn’t watch the game last night, but, let me guess what happened. Once again, Delfino torched Melo and took him out of the game by playing him physical.
Brandon Jennings played inspired to show us we should have drafted him and embarrassed our defense. D’Antoni screamed at Toney Douglas for something,
we shot as if we never played a basketball game before, Melo tweaked something,
Amare and Melo continued to say things will get better. D’Antoni makes some funny jokes afterwards.

Am I getting it right so far?

Wow, Hello Melo….it is not about being cool and your stat line….ie….see the definition of team, defense, and what it takes to get a W.

Billups is old man. I’d gladly deal a over the hill PG for a top flight C. It hurt us in the back court dept, but it’s not like Chauncey was putting us over the top either. This notion that Turiaf was a valuable piece is wrong. He’s always hurt.

We have a core that consists of no pass first playmaker, a young promising rook, and 2 scoring forwards and a center…and nothing else.

I read alot of second guessing of the Melo trade but its seems like we forget that there were other players in that trade that we could use right now like Billups and Carter. When we had to let go of Billups we lost scoring, outside shooting and a floor general. They figured TD would be able to give us something but he has been beyond terrible. We got excited about Iman, and we should be longer term, but the guy is a rookie and it’s clear he doesn’t know how to control the tempo or where to get guys the ball. We are all hoping for BD to be the savior but what happens if he can’t stay healthy? They do need to do something about the guard play. Arenas is still out there, buy JR Smith out of China, Jamal Tinsley…something!

We can sit here and analyze evry little detail and mistake they made until the cows come home. I never understood the mentality of, if a player makes a mistake, you bench him.
What does that accomplish?
When your dealing with a team as fragile minded as these Knicks, I believe some players PREFER to sit on the bench, so they don’t get pressured to perform and get booed.

Giant’s coach Tom Coughlin is a genious for the way he motivates players and makes his teams cohesive units. Yet, no one can figure out how to make the Knicks trust each other?
How about setting up a players only meeting? the Wizards did it.
How about scheduling a team retreat workshop, where they settle their differences and do something trivial, like catching each other falling backwards?

Whatever the problems are, they seem to be coming from the locker room.

DO SOMETHING!!! ANYTHING!!! CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THE SHIP BE SINKING!!!

You constantly call me an apologist for supporting the coach and team in difficult times. You now are calling me a Denver fan. I know people just like you, They call me an Obama apologist and tell me he’s not one of us.

Try your Rush Limbaugh, TEA party tactics on someone else.

look at the bright side people… MSG is losing leverage now. Very soon TWC customers will have MSG back! Unfortunately, this brand of basketball probably looks a lot worse in HD.

“Anthony was asked about the team’s divergent paths since the trade. He claimed it was an unfair comparison.

“You can’t compare our team to Denver’s team. Denver got five starters in that trade,” he said. “Denver’s a helluva team. They’re one of the deepest teams in the NBA right now. But we just want to go out there and win tomorrow.” ”

EVEN CARMELO says we gave up too much…

hahahah cant make this up

DOLANS/ISIAH strike again

MELO YOU STINK

you had to have that extra 40 mil to come here and shoot bricks.

DAntoni for President of CLOWN COLLEGE

+10

And how are the Nets doing with their great pg????

Everyone just needs to calm down and keep your fingers off the panic button. We are not a championship team. A coaching change won’t make it one. Baron Davis will not make it one. We have a room exception, the MLE and a 1st round pick in 2013 to add a few more pieces.

We have young players in Fields, Shumpert, and Harrelson that will get better. We will get a new coach in 2012-13 or sooner. Sometimes good things come from bad. Maybe this losing streak will bring about change in our players for the better. Maybe the hard losses will bring them together. We missed so many easy shots last night. The team is pressing and trying to hard. It’s like a batting slump in baseball.

Sometimes progress is two steps forward and one step back.

Keep the faith. The Knicks will go on a run soon.

This team has way to many problems for anyone to just blame it on 1 thing. The PG and the coach don’t fix our problem.

This team plays the same way every night. They start off the game trying to get the ball to Amare and actually have good ball movement, but in the 2nd half when Melo trys to take over our team looks awful.

1. Melo ruins the flow of the offense and is playing awful, cant finish at the rim, not shooting well.
2. Amare is a shell of him self, and is not the same person he was last year
3. They don’t guard the paint
4. They switch every chance they get
5. They don’t have a bench
6. they don’t have a PG

That is 6 problems with this team and there are a lot more

Melo and Amare don’t mesh, Chandler hurts Amare’s production. There is no excuse to this. It is unacceptable. I don’t want to hear its because we don’t have a PG because we cant beat a team that is winless on the road!!!!!!

The PG and the Coach are contributing factors to us being bad, but we change that and where still bad. This is not a good team that works well together. It is pathetic.

THERE IS NOT 1 PATICULAR REASON WHY WE SUCK. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF REASONS. YOU CANT JUST BLAME THE COACH OR THE PG. This team doesnt work and is an embarrassment. Yes we don’t have a PG but we should still be able to beat the Bobcats, the Bucks, we cant beat anyone. This is much bigger than a coach and a pg.

There are players who don’t play well together. At the end of the day we need to finish at the rim. We need to have ball movement, we don’t have the personnel to be able to pass the ball like the Bucks did last night, because we have Melo and Amare not because we don’t have a PG. Melo and Amare hog the ball. Melo could be the worst in the NBA at that.

Does anyone complain about Kobe taking all these crazy shots he does, even when the Lakers lose? Who is Melo supposed to pass to, when he does everything is a brick! You will need a Melo late in the game against teams like the Heat, but you need to be IN the game for him to make a difference, nobody on the team is hitting shots, Chandler is playing well, but he isnt a scorer. Amare, is playing horrible. The Coach for whatever reason cannot rectify this, I refuse to believe Amare and Carmelo and Tyson Chandler cannot be a core to a successful team with the right coach and personnel around them. Our player are being misused everywhere you look. Novak doesnt play, Walker is terrible and gets PT even though he contributes ZERO. Balkman who actually hustles, doesnt see the floor, Bibby the only natural point guard, plays sparingly, so he cant be expected to mesh with these guys at that rate. Jorts comes in hustles, then gets sat down for the rest of the game or put in when its too late. When you lose the SAME FRICKIN WAY EVERY LOSS, its a COACHING ISSUE. He corrects none of the constant issues that cause us to lose. Also none of these guys are getting traded sorry to break it to any of you. Not Melo, Not Amare, Not Tyson. Its up to a Coach to come in and make this team better, which any coach could probably do…except Pringles.

Considering how there is a general consensus that a new coach is needed, who do you want to appoint and why? Mike Woodson? Phil Jackson? Chris Mullens? Jeff Van Gundy?
With the pressure and expectations rising with each day remaining until Baron Davis returns to the floor, what do you think Grunwald should do with the mid level exception and why? Jamal Tinsley? Wilson Chandler? J.R. Smith?

You think Grizzles would trade Gay for Amare….you lost me right then and there.

Jerry Sloan

Totally agree. We need to fix the back court situation. BD should help but they need another guard, too.

Kobe?????? Takes more shots then Melo, Westbrook, ……

idk why i think this, the knicks havnt done anything to make me feel this way but I think the knicks are gonna come out tonight and play with fire and win the game. idk why but there was something about the way melo looked last night that made me think this sh** show won’t last much longer. as i said I have no clue why i think this, i can just see us really playing hard tonight.

I am not going to hate on Tyson, we paid a lot for him, basically we could have got an entire bench for him. He does the same thing Amarie does on offense, Amarie is not a stretch 4 and never will be. This is a large part of the offensive conundrum as I see it. Throw in no pgs, and poor coaching and we are right back to the Spenc Bob MacAdoo days. This team made the playoffs 14 straight years after that fiasco. We could also have gotten 5 good players for Amaries contract and had them insured. Did you note Sixers 3rd quarter prowess, according to Iggy, the coach makes ADJUSTMENTS at halftime then they warm up hard

I know people like you.They try and spin things to try and make their point seem valid.You are constantly telling us about the great job Pringles did in Phoenix with Steve Nash and semi-allstars onhis squad.All the while you leave out his record with Denver and NY because he has not had his players.He came here to collect $24 million and he can’t coach defense and he can not direct an offense w/o Steve Nash.Why is it that every player
he comes in contact with shoots more treys than before he played for Pringles?

We can’t keep making excuses for Pringles.He MUST go now along with most of his staff either now or postseason.

This team will not be successful even with BD.You really do not understand
basketball .You make inferences about the players ,coaches ,GM’s and owner.

im not saying his actual style of play, i worded it wrong. i meant his frustration and the way he got p*ssed off last night.

but yes i can see the resemblance of marbury. as i said idk why, but i can see us playing good tonight.

hopefully we do.

Kobe can do whatever he wants he’s won 5 championships. I don’t love Westbrook i think he needs to learn how to play, if he didn’t play that way i think Thunder could be much better.

Not to mention those players don’t use 1 on 1 nearly as much as Melo does. Melo will try and go one on one for 8 or 9 mins at a time. As if he is the only one on the court. Than when the offense tries to get going, there are completely out of rythem, and have been standing around for the last 15 possessions.

I think if we had kept Carter and even Shelden WIlliams (to a lesser extent) and actually added a PG who had experience running the PG position (Tinsley, Pargo, West etc.) and a serviceable/defensive SG, we wouldn’t be reeling this way.

Delonte West (Tinsley, Pargo)/Baron Davis/Anthony Carter
Bogans (Stevensen)/Shumpert/TD
Carmelo/Fields/Jeffries/Balkman
Ama_’e/Josh Harrellson
Chandler/Shelden Williams/Jerome Jordan

There’s no reason that with 2 perennial All-Stars and a borderline All star we wouldn’t have hit the ground running in the East and have been rolling by now imho. Even with a”coach” who has no idea how to coach a team without having at least 4 people outside the 3 point line on offense and no clue what to do with a traditional PF (other than to play him at C) next to a traditional C.

I blame the front office, but it’s worth noting that the “coach” has consistently shown a penchant for rolling with what he has (never had a backup PG for Nash in Phoenix) and even under Walsh we never had a backup PG (three years) or a starting SG (last year).

If there gonna play good tonight and play like sheet in the next game i don’t want them to play well.

I want them to contend for a championship, or to suck and fire Antoni.

Im guessing our draft pick we sent is not protected if it turns out to be a lottery pick. But imagine if we miss the playoffs and get a good draft pick, which we cant use.

looks like Starbury 2

i said it last April

Expand “Anthony was asked about the team’s divergent paths since the trade. He claimed it was an unfair comparison.

“You can’t compare our team to Denver’s team. Denver got five starters in that trade,” he said. “Denver’s a helluva team. They’re one of the deepest teams in the NBA right now. But we just want to go out there and win tomorrow.” ”

EVEN CARMELO says we gave up too much…

hahahah cant make this up

DOLANS/ISIAH strike again

Karl did struggle with Melo. He didn’t want Melo to use so much iso. He wants Melo to score within the flow of his offense. and Melo only made it out of the first round 1′s with Karl with some really good teams.

Everyone says now the Nuggets play basketball the way George Karl wants to play basketball. He couldn’t do that with Melo because Melo hogged he ball.

Melo needs to learn to score in the flow of the offense, if he cant learn to score without going 1 on 1 every time, Fields will struggle, Stat will struggle, and our team won’t be as good.

I wouldn’t say Chandler was soft, but other than that I agree.

Has I blame Mike trust me I do, but how do you let Melo and Amare off the hook. I am not one to say he is in anyway like Marbury but he most definitely stops the offensive flow at times and he never finishes strong at the rim for someone who I thought would be a All World player for our team and Amare has been not disappointing but an embarrasment and to me based off those two performances last night trade them and get something in return and create a team concept

Melo was the reason we gave up 5 starters. If Melo said no way in hell will i go to Jersey, I only want to go to the Knicks, the Knicks could have given up a lot less.

Melo told Dolan he would go to Jersey if the Knicks couldn’t get him.

Yeah, getting rid of him in order to sign Bibby was a horrible decision. Shooters are a dime a dozen.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1033061-new-york-knicks-what-we-learned-from-fridays-loss

Agree with everything written except that Bibby should play more mins.

Yeah, don’t want to hear that s**t from Melo. We gave up everything because he used the Nets as leverage to force the Knicks to give up everything, and wouldn’t wait until free agency. He is right though. The Nuggets are good because they have about 10 starters on that team. The Knicks have three players that should be currently starting for an NBA team.

you could have kept both. Why have Jeremy Lynn if he never plays?

You know what’s funny, I remember saying when we signed Ama_’e that we bidded against ourselves and no one was giving him that type of contract and everyone said “No, we had to give him a max contract because he would have gone to the Bulls, Nets, Suns etc.”, now all of a sudden those same people are saying his contract is the worst in the league lol.

Interesting.

I think his contract was worse when we had all of that youth and no one else on his level, by the time Gallinari, Chandler and Mozgov matured into consistent players/contributors Ama_’e would have probably been about 32 and not able to play like a star level player (he’s not even 30 and it’s looking that way already).

Another thing no one mentions, Carmelo’s shot selection has clearly worsened under _’antoni and he shoots many more threes, especially early in the shot clock, looks he wouldn’t have taken under Karl, Harrington and Gallinari aren’t shooting the same threes they shot under _’antoni having the eternal green light replaced with some restraint and patience on offense.

Carmelo had his selfish moments in Denver, without question, but he had a coach who would pull him back in when he went off the deep end. _’antoni won’t even reel in a rookie (Shumpert) from launching 15 shots in a half, he’s never going to question Carmelo or Ama_’e's shot selection no matter how many bad shots they force or turnovers they create doing it.

The “coach” benched him even then, to play Roger Mason at PG (for shooting no doubt smh), who never played that positon before, ever.

How do you go with a player unproven at that position in the playoffs over a savvy, widely respected veteran who’s done it in this league on winning teams?

Trade amare to Jersey for Marshon Brookes. Now we have a SG who can score 20 points a game for the next 10 years. And in the off season sign Felton, Boris Diaw, and Elton Brand. This would be a much better team.

This team currently constructed is a bad team. Phil Jackson will not coach this Knick team. He wants good teams. We will not win a championship with this core group of guys.

Melo is far and away the best player on the Knicks.Pringles does not put him in a position to
play his game.He s/b posting up down low.He is playing hurt and had to leave one game.

All the 12-15 bloggers that were against the TRADE were and still are wrong.Every player we traded was a medium or below average player.You make inferences.You are the statistics man and report on the obvious.You were the last guy when they chose up sides and you can’t get over it.LOL

Knicks losses
Golden State Warrios without Curry, Killed by Lakers without Bynum, Toronto, Bobcats,
Zach Randolphless Grizzles, Pheonix, Bucks without Jackson.

How the hell is it this bad. A coach doesnt come in and make a team this much better.

Here are 5 players that could potentially help us more than Lin and Walker.

Ish Smith
Keith Bogans
Gilbert Arenas
Antonio Daniels
Earl Boykins

I get that we are trying to save a roster space for K-Mart/Smith. But most if not all of those guys could be had for contracts that aren’t guaranteed. Its ridiculous that we keep scrubs on this roster, instead of at least trying to find a better replacement when their is no risk involved.

Its funny, because before the season most Knicks fans were against giving up Gallo AND Randolph in a deal for Melo.

Dude to say he could not win in Karl system is flat out wrong! Cuz he did! You can twist and turn any way you want! Fact he won there and that is all it should matter.

Here with Dantoni! its a different story! Dantoni can’t make 3 stars play in his system!

If i was the chairman! I would not stand from this crap from my CEO running my business!

Dantoni has failed to get the whole team to buy into his system. He needs Amare to try and sell it.

You lose the ability to lead and inspire your team!!! You will have no place in my complany!

Dantoni is a MAJOR Fail!

prayers go out to the Dee family .. hope all works out OK.. then let er rip.g

Melo has really kind of struck me as the type of player who can singlehandedly carry 4 other role players who can’t create their own offense to wins. I just don’t see how him and Amare fit together right now, and the fact that it’s taken this long and there’s still no improved chemistry between the 2 is very troublesome. It will be interesting to see if the return of Baron helps with this, but I’m not even sure it will. Melo is at his best in iso post ups and pretty much any isos- You can see that having him trying to run a pick and roll just isn’t working, all it does is bring a second defender towards him and he doesn’t have the basketball iq to figure out what to do then other than forcing a shot contested by 2 people instead of 1.

I think there’s a lot of blame to go around right now, particularly starting with the coaching staff and the front office, but Melo and Amare both deserve a lot of blame as well for a general inability to make others around them any better. For example, I thought coming into this season Melo would have to expand his game a little- either by becoming a better passer, a more efficient scorer, or preferrably a better defender. He has failed to do so. Likewise, I hoped Amare would expand his game a little more by either becoming a better defender or increasing his range to become an efficient Kevin Garnett 2 years ago on the Celtics type of player. He has failed to do either one of those.

So again, there’s a lot of blame to go around but Melo and Amare should not be escaping criticism right now by anybody. Both have been very disappointing so far.

Absent a point guard there is only one possible solution. Play two of the three big men
at one time and not the three. start with Stat and Melo, then bring in Chandler for Stat,
then bring in Stat for Melo. this will give them more room to work and allow them to
feed off his other. Still the bottom line point guard is the most important position in
the NBA

The fact that Walker plays as many minutes as he does is mindboggling to me. Just another in a long line of odd coaching rotational decisions. The government has their X-Files to deal with the paranormal, we have our freaking Dantoni Files to deal with paranormal coaching decisions.

Exactly. Coaching is especially critical in a shortened season, where teams are forced to expand the rotation. We are not losing games because we aren’t good enough. We are losing because we aren’t getting the most out of our players, and a lot of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff. How do we shoot under 40% from the field on a seemingly regular basis. If we had Melo take 50 shots, we would probably put up similar numbers!

Your accusations about posters like Fields Fanatic and myself are extremely childish. You can’t handle the fact that we were right about the Trade. You can’t handle the fact that we told all of you Melo stans that your precious trade would end in disaster and addressed no basketball needs and made The Knicks worse. You can’t handle the fact that all you have to hang your hat on is calling the coach names like you’re 5 years old. Even major sportswriters and newspapers can see what we saw all along.

Here’s a link from Jan 20, 2012 edition of the NY Daily News entitled: “Denver Nuggets walk away winners after NY Knicks gut team to bring Carmelo Anthony to Madison Square Garden:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/denver-nuggets-walk-winners-ny-knicks-gut-team-bring-carmelo-anthony-madison-square-garden-article-1.1009134#ixzz1k76SF8vv

So using Denver’s record since The Trade vs our record Since The Trade to backup our claim that the trade was a bust, and with no way to counter our arguments except for saying pringles pringles pringles you say we’re “Denver Fans”

I gave Mike D’antoni the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that I’ve never seen a coach asked to win basketball games with his roster turning over every 90 days. The man has had to coach 6 different basketball teams in 4 years which would be difficult for any coach no matter how good a coach they are. We gave him the first 2 years because they were just cap clearing years… we gave him last year because just as the Knicks were putting it together we traded our whole team for a me first, ball movement killing shooter who jacks up 20 shots a game and doesn’t make his team any better.

Now we’re asking him to win basketball games without a point guard, a shooting guard who can no longer shoot, and a center who brings no offense.

While I’m not thrilled about his rotations, I and others who actually UNDERSTAND basketball and the need for stability with a roster so that a team can develop chemistry and learn how to play with one another understand that he’s been put in a tough spot every year he’s been here. However we can also see that this team is going nowhere fast and as the coach he gets his portion of the blame for not being able to get it done.

You see I’m a KNICK fan. I was in the Garden rooting for the Knicks when we had guys like Michael Ray Richardson, Paul Westphal, Louis Orr, Juwan Oldham, Bob McAdoo, Spencer Haywood, Bernard King, Ernie Grunfeld, Pat Cummings (LOL), Lonnie Shelton, Maurice Lucas, Marvin Webster. I was rooting for the Knicks while we were being coached by people like Red Holzman, John Macleod, Stu Jackson, and Bob Hill

For a Melo stan such as yourself to question my love for the Knicks is laughable and insulting.

He provides literally nothing to the team. He can’t shoot this year, and his defense is horrible. The coach did the same thing with Roger Mason last year.

I feel like Dolan is only keeping D’Antoni around so the fans don’t turn on him if we still suck with a new coach. His role right now is Dolan’s scapegoat. Not that he doesn’t deserve the criticism.

The issue is the lack of movement on the offensive end. People are standing around the perimeter watching the P&R situations and it’s causing Melo to come off the screen and have nowhere to get the ball because when he passes it to an open teammate on the far side, they don’t shoot or they just end up swinging the ball back to him on the perimeter and he’s again forced to attack the basket which typically turns into one on one isos w/ him shooting at the end.

If they’re not going to run Amare in the P&R with Melo then they should be down screening his man away from the ball so that he flashes open at the top of the key for either an easy jumper or a quick dive to the basket for a score.

Amare has proven that he can play well in D’Antoni’s system with a big man in the middle, Shaq and Melo is a lot more of a willing passer than fans give him credit for. Of course as a scorer, he’s going to attack and look for his own shots but he’ll give the ball up when teammates are open and/or confident to take their own shot.

I honestly think Novak needs to get more playing time, as well as Harrellson. They’re both two big men that can stretch the floor. The knicks have too many players either afraid to attack/shoot or players settling for poor decisions in their shot selection. JJ can see time at the Center position but Novak and Harrellson should be getting the majority of that time.

Rotations w/ Baron:

Baron (Bibby/TD/Iman)
Shumpert (TD/Fields/Walker)
Melo (Fields)
Amare (Harrellson/Novak)
Chandler (JJ/Harrellson)

Yup, a joke. Wait for Baron Davis is not an action, it is an inaction. The team does not have a hard hat approach. The coach sucks, and he has nerve asking for more time, and your site and Isola have some nerve for backing him up on that.

Listen, no one wanted to give up all off those players to get Carmelo and I for one thought it was a mistake to not at least wait until the 25th hour before upping our offer on the outside chance that Denver would blink.

However, it wasn’t a trade that this team with the right scouting and due diligence cannot recover from.

Wilson Chandler was a late 1st round pick (I’m sure we’ll have the opportunity to get more of those at some point lol), Mozgov was an under the radar big that no one knew of, Felton was a PG that wasn’t very high on the free agent list last year and can be replaced (perhaps with the mid-level) or by taking a risk on someone the way we did with Shawne Williams last year.

We didn’t trade away All-Star players, we traded role players and potential role players. Believe it or not those can be replaced.

We made it to the Finals with one superstar (Patrick Ewing) and a bunch of fringe/borderline NBA players (Starks, Mason) and veterans (Derek Harper, Rolando Blackman), troubled players we took a risk on (Sprewell) before.

There is no reason we can’t eventually make it with 2 stars (Carmelo and Ama_’e), a starting caliber C and arguably a borderline All-Star (Chandler) a former All-Star with star talent when healthy (Davis, hopefully he has a little left in the tank), a rookie full of potential, a solid role player (Harrellson) and a potentially solid role player (Fields) at some point. We just need to be smart, creative and have a little bit of luck to fill out the rest of the roster.

lol yeah, its hard to blame him for not being eager to pass the ball to guys like Douglas, Walker, and Fields who can’t knock down a wide open 3-pointer. Right now, as sad as it is, we have a better chance of winning with Melo forcing shots. For all the criticism he is getting, he scored 35 points with an injured wrist!

I also agree that he needs to be more of a leader. Its clear that he loves playing the game, and doesn’t ever back down from other teams. But he needs to start directing some of that towards his teammates, who are all letting him down right now.

Not saying I don’t want him but saying and doing are two completely different things. He says he wants to win but plays the game as if he doesnt have 4 other teammates. When the coach draws up a simple game winning play and you fail to listen and execute theres a problem with his mentality.

The reason everyone is standing around watching is because Melo is incapable of scoring within the flow of the offensive system. He couldn’t do it in Denver and he cant do it here.

In order for him to score he needs one on one isolations. This will happen for 25 possessions a game. How can offense work when people are standing around watching Melo play one on one?

When Melo isn’t doing it Amare does the same thing. Thats who these players are. How can an offense work with both of them doing the same thing?

How can Stat work the PNR when you have Chandler now running the pick n roll. I think Stat should run it over Chandler but neither of them have a post up game. IDK if they can work with out having a post up. The reason Bynum and Gasol can work is because they can post up and than kick it out to Kobe. We cant do that with Melo and Stat.

“Fans don’t turn on him?”

This guy has never had/has no/will never have any supporters among the fan base. EVERYONE not on the payroll (and I’m many that are) despise(s) Jimmy Boy. Dude is the anti-Steinbrenner.

Not saying I don’t want Melo but saying and doing are two completely different things. He says he wants to win but plays the game as if he doesnt have 4 other teammates. When the coach draws up a simple game winning play and you fail to listen and execute theres a problem with his mentality.

The reason everyone is standing around watching is because Melo is incapable of scoring within the flow of the offensive system. He couldn’t do it in Denver and he cant do it here.

In order for him to score he needs one on one isolations. This will happen for 25 possessions a game. How can offense work when people are standing around watching Melo play one on one?

When Melo isn’t doing it Amare does the same thing. Thats who these players are. How can an offense work with both of them doing the same thing?

How can Stat work the PNR when you have Chandler now running the pick n roll. I think Stat should run it over Chandler but neither of them have a post up game. IDK if they can work with out having a post up. The reason Bynum and Gasol can work is because they can post up and than kick it out to Kobe. We cant do that with Melo and Stat.

This team is fundamentally flawed players are to similar and our 2 best players only care about scoring, and don’t make any one else better around them.

The fact that Amare and Chandler have no post up game really limits what this team can do and will hold this team back for a long time. When you have all your money in your 3 biggest players someone has to be able to post up. If Melo post up he cant kick it out to Amare.

your right. The fear I have is that Stat is burned from last year. I think he has more maladies then we know about. The knees don`t look good

Excellent point about Novak and Harrelson

Dats BS, at least he can run a frickin offense and PASS his ASS off! And his shot is just as good as Shumps….not so sure that was a great point to make, lol

Two of the duties of a coach is to 1) ADJUST to the talent that he has 2) motivate the team to get the MOST and BEST out of the players. D’Antoni does the exact opposite of those things. 1) He doubles down on his 7 seconds or less BS, 2) He puts them down on a constant basis. Inspirational? If sports is 80 something percent mental, what is this guy doing coaching? He is the ultimate downer–his body language, his look! Notice how he just stares in space sometimes and shakes his head so that it looks as though it’s not his responsibility. Let’s take a WINNER type coach instead of a perpetual LOSER–Phil Jackson knew how to get into his player’s heads in a smart and positive way and if he was at all negative it was constructive and meaningful. Phil even had them meditate! Imagine D’Antoni even coming close to being innovative and imaginative with the Knicks. He simply STINKS in all areas of his coaching style! It’s time for some newness and basketball smarts to take over here. We need a tough coach with more than one layer to him.

Preach Bro! + 100,000

Breaking News… Dr Phil met with the Knicks at Carmines on 44TH street today for Lunch! LOL

nuke and pave

No actually he should pass to the other sharpshooters on our team like …

All that sbeen proven is that the Knicks (without all your precious role players) and with Melo are a .500 team like before. Now when we get the right role players during this rebuilding phase you wanna jump down people’s throats and say you were right and say the trade was bad. Damn dude wait till the team is complete at least! We don’t even have a pg or sg and you wanna call the Trade a bust and throw an I Told You So party? Juvenile man.

LOL

We have them in odd years, we cannot trade them in consecutive years so we will have about half of what we should have for a few years and if the front office is smart they should trade Fields and Douglas for a 1st rounder in the next draft which is supposed to be very deep.