Hahn: J.R. Smith “On the Radar”

Yea, lets bring in another bandage to appease the fans. We need a pg or 2, we need spot up shooters, he is a free spirit that will not help this team. This is pure coverup for the FO not doing do diligence over the off season. Novak???? Bibby???? now lets wait till march all you sucker out there and we will get the fountain of wins for you. Just keep filling the arena and wait and the savior will come. Look thses guys have no idea how to build a team, I love Mello, however, as a coach, my most important player is my pg, the its center, scorer, the role players. In that order. We give away our pgs to get the scorer and the center, and look at what we have NADA. Coach no D is very replacable, stats, the way he is playing now, is replacable, and not really needed to be a top team, Mello is the scorere we need. Shump is a role player, Joorts is a role player, the rest are really fringe players and we are hoping that a disabled pg will be a Phoenix for us(the bird not the city)Now we are also going to go along with the shill men(yes AL AL Tracey Clyde and Breen you guys work for Dolan so you do what you are told) that this crap will somehow lift us to greatness. Guys, the story is old and wornout

Great, another guy that doesn’t play defense. Just because JR would be a new face doesn’t mean he would be a good fit. Attitude as well. Just bring in Santonio Holmes too.
Everyone complains so much about defense and then everytime someone is available that doesn’t pay defense. Everybody wants him. I think everyone on this site is clueless on how to build a winner.

My original dream was to have Lebron, Howard & Tony Parker with Thibadous(don’t care about spelling) as coach. Instead we have Amare(no defense and bad knees). Melo (no defense & always hurting) & No point guard & Dantoni ( no defense). and everybody is shocked why they are losing. Take down this site it’s useless.

Ways to fix the team. Start with Fire Dantoni.

On a side note, can we get a new organist or whatever. I’ve been hearing the same noise at the Garden for 20 years. Talk about complacency at the Garden. Knicks better hope Howard never comes to the Nets. Cause DWill and Howard sound better than anything the knicks have right now. Not a Nets fan but they can only go up at this point.

As was just said below, I don’t think this is the right move either. The ball is already having more than enough trouble moving, JR will not help with that at all lol.

Yeah and now we are scoring under a 100 points in every game. It’s always a problem with this team. They don’t know how to take care of both sides of the ball without it affecting the other.

I agree and will admit I was panicking earlier this week. Maybe its because I just want to believe. Or maybe its because I was at the game last night. But I don’t want to hate on this team anymore. I want to believe in them. I don’t want to hate on Dantoni or Melo or Amare or TD/Fields. One superstar is banged up, the other is working his way back into shape after healing from an injury in the offseason. We have young players playing lots of minutes out of position. And we have no PG. Baron Davis (and adding JR Smith…yes please) will help a lot. Melo will heal up, Amare’s shot will start to fall. TD and Fields will gain their confidence back (I think they did last night). Melo will trust and respect Baron Davis enough to let him lead the offense and everything will start to click for us. Our defense is pretty good. If Chandler doesn’t foul out at the end of the first overtime we win that game last night.

Absolutely true, but some of of these home losses are inexcusable. Losing to Toronto, Charlotte, Phoenix and Milwaukee at home? The team’s personnel situation isn’t so bad that they shouldn’t be winning these games.

D’Antoni has lost his team. That’s a recipe for continued disaster.

One last thought, I hear over and over again how defense is just effort. Totally wrong. You have to know how to play defense. When to foul and not foul. How to block and steal without getting called for a foul. I see Amare and Melo put the effort on defense. However when they do they pick 3 fouls within two minutes. Then they are afraid to foul so they stop defending. They don’t stop defending because they don’t want to play defense. They stop because they don’t want to pick up a foul. If you watch the games early. You will see Amare is not aggresive because he doesn’t want to pick up a foul. He doesn’t want to be out of the game so early. That’s what it’s all about. Knowing how to play defense. Melo and Amare don’t. You can’t fix this unless someone teaches them defense. It’s not just the effort. Case closed. Atleast someone finally said it.

I’m as down on the team as anyone else, but think about this. When in the past 10 years have you been able to say, about this team, exactly what needs to be fixed?

And when was it actually fixable?

If 60% of the game is defense, and our Defense is improving, then that is good news.

Our problem is offense, and because its largly Amare, its a huge problem because he’s a liability on offense. Seriously, if we had K.Mart in instead of Amare last night, we win by 8. That’s sad.

So I look at the team and assume with the right reorganization, rotations, and coaching, there is no reason at least 50% of our players who just fell apart won’t get back at least to last years numbers.

It sounds like a huge hurdle, but really, how far away from reality is Amare getting to 48% (he’s 41% right now). To get just 1 of fields, douglas, bibby or shumpert hitting a good percentage from 3?

That all sounds feasible even with D’Antoni.

And if Baron can be just even what he was at his worst the last 5 years, we are looking at a 7 assist, 40% shooter – playing about 25-30 min.

We are losing games. Losing ones we shouldn’t be losing. But its not a lack of talent (maybe bench depth) or some unfixable weakness. Its getting the guys we have to play at even a good-for-them level.

Exactly! This season has been very frustrating. But their is so much room for improvement. Douglas and Fields gaining confidence makes us much better. Amar’e finding his shot helps us a lot. Melo’s wrist healing, BD getting healthy, JR Smith coming, etc. It sucks right now, but we are playing terrible basketball and losing close games. It might take us awhile to start playing like an elite team. But when we do, I have no doubt we are going to compete with just about any team in the league. Our defense is already looking better than I expected, and our offense will come around.

Last I checked Al Thornton is still available was a former lottery pick and could be a nice scorer coming off the bench at the three or four spot. J.R Smith is a taller Nate Robinson in my opinion and we all know how that situation turned out.

Everyone complaining about fans jumping ship after 16 games. Are you guys serious. Are you watching the games, do you live in a bubble. There are major problems with this roster. Should the fans that are complaining be happy with what we are watching?

Melo shooting 30% night after night…15% from 3 night after night

the guy isnt even a good Scorer?

Melo “im gonna see if Im doing too much’?? TOO MUCH MISSING
Melo ” maybe i need to get the ball to AMARE”

Oh yeah that just dawning genius?

Starbury 2

the guy looks just like Starbury coming down standing around then heaving shots

I’m not a D’Antoni fan at all. I would like to see him gone right away. Still, even I have to admit that he is in a tough position. He has a very specific “system” and a group of players that don’t fit it. Melo is injured and can’t shoot, and Amar’e is healthy and can’t shoot.

Donnie RUNOUT of NY by Dolans

just for TRYING to keep the Melo trade in Sane business practices

FANS hating on Donnie wh gave them there first .500 season in years and years.

Donnie laughing his ass off?

probably not…he’s most likely heartbroken to see his work destroyed
by DolanIsiah drug addict mentality..gamble all in on 1 role (eddy Curry, Starbury, larry Brown the lis tgoes on and on)

Donnie laughing in your face Knick fans

I have a little tiny violin to play for you

Nobody else can make shots right now. I saw Fields, Shumpert, and Douglas pass up a ton of open looks. Nobody else is playing with any type of aggression on the offensive end.

JR Smith isnt really a guy that dominates the ball… Every once in awhile he has some bone head possessions where he tries doing it all. But for the most part JR is a catch and shoot 3 pointer that is capable of lighting it up.. Most importantly I think its a guy Melo would trust to hit an open shot.. On those final shots in regulation and the first overtime if that was JR Smith instead of Shumpert or Douglas.. 1. I dont think the Nugget defender would have just left JR and tripled Melo… 2. I think Melo would have been more likely to make that pass to JR for a game winner. Not saying Melo definitely would have passed it but he would be more likely to pass it ha… If your listing off the weaknesses on the Knicks team outside shooting and bench scoring are close to the top of the list. JR provides both.

I understand your point

but anyone who plays ball will tell you that a ballHog
hoisting misses after you are running p and down and playing D

destroys your game.

See Shump get upset a coupla nights ago and go off.

and how come the team scoring fluently when Melo on the bench

YOU are ignoring the obvious most obvious..Melo MO for his whole career….he’s a streak shooter and always hurting his team…allla all the ball hogs weve seen come throught the NBA.

At least Iverson stepped up and carried a team.

Melo is the best offensive player in the league. Gallo and Chandler are great role players. Melo doesn’t need to prove that he can score. Its like saying Mariano Rivera can’t pitch after he blows a save. Everybody has bad games, especially when they are injured.

For all the fans killing Melo. I must remind you that this is not the Melo we paid all that money too. I have no doubt that he will be himself again sometime this year. He is banged up and should not be playing. If you would just stop and think Melo is not the coach. It is D’Antoni’s job to make sure that the ball movement is there. That is what a time out is for. Stat did not shoot the ball in the 2OT. That is not MELO’s fault. Play calling is controlled by the coach. If D’Antoni was not going to use Stat in the 4th or during the 2OT’s than he should of put Jeffries in the game because Stat is useless on Defense. I still would of made the trade for Melo. I only regret giving Stat a 100m contract. Melo I still believe will earn his. This is rock bottom so we could only get better.

If we had a pg who could control the floor and create shots, we are better shooting from our guys away from having no problems (save bench depth, but welcome to the NBA).

We are playing better D than in a decade, and our two best scorers have gone 41% and 33% from the floor the last 4 nights. That has to improve – everything in their careers says it will.

Also Landry has shot 56% and about 4 reb, 5 assists, and 2 steals per game as well.

All teams have 3-4 needs, until the playoffs when surprising guys fill those needs. Its not the small needs you need to worry about, its the big ones. We have 2.

1) We need a coach who can optimize the system to the talent
2) We need a creator/distributor

Those two things happen, our shooting % goes up even a little for melo and amare (who take 60% of the shots) and we start winning a lot more.

And Melo has been known to just hit a funk, then get injured for 4-5 games, and then be great.

To play for a sub .500 knicks team and play bitch to melo again?

The coaching is awful, but how can you say Melo doesn’t deserve blame for this?

Including the playoff series to Boston last year, the Knicks are now SEVEN games under .500 since acquiring Melo, over a somewhat large sample size of close to 50 games together. And they had a full offseason to work together this offseason. And they’re SEVEN games under .500. I’m sorry but I just can’t emphasize this enough. Seven games under .500 and people want to say our old team sucked. What the hell would they say about this current team?

Imo, Melo needs to be getting killed by the fans right now. We traded for a superstar who would take us to the next level, not a scorer who would actually make us worse than we were, while the team that traded Melo is playing much better than they were all of last season with Melo. There has to be some blame for Melo here, it’s not just a coaching thing at this point..

Hahn is just spouting pablum here. I believe that the NBA trade deadline has been extended to March 15th which coincides with the CBA season end. So any team can do a sign and trade with Denver for JR Smith. Teams with trade execptions can just send a future second round pick and offer JR much more.

The Lakerrs, Dallas, and Orlando all have nice sized exceptions to offer.

Whatever, man. Personally I’m tired of the ”Guess who’s coming to Dinner” feces. Who cares who we add when the talent that’s already here isn’t even used to its optimal level. Until the cancer at head coach is dealt with, y’all can keep hoping for a prettier band-aid, not me, not anymore.

After our recent play, I think the more appropriate question should be “are the knicks on JR Smith’s radar?” Unless things change in a big way, I would say no…there are better opportunities for him at this point. Hopefully, things will change by March.

Melo should sit and rest his wrist and ankle.Let the Melo haters see how good this team is.Let’s see the ball movement ,the pnr,the cuts, the pick and pop,the backdoor plays and lets see who can score on this team.Most of all let’s see how many treys the team gets off
and how Pringles can adjust to not having Melo on the floor.

Question..

How many games last season did it take for us to get on the winning streak last season?

Yeah I don’t think MSG really looked that far into it lol. Harris is out of our price range, and Tinsley can’t even be traed yet.

Fire Scamtoni!!! Trash teams don’t let Gallo score so that says a lot about this squad. Overtime with Denver is just as bad as losing to them. This team is disgraceful and if u don’t want fans to start actin like Cleveland fans then management needs to make some moves to accommodate the fans that support and spend. Get rid of this coach…..but of course Dolan will leave him there to see how many games we win when Baron gets here…..FIRE THIS FOOL!!!

I’m just saying that other teams can do a rental on JR as well as we can. Denver has his rights and will look to get something back for JR and K-Mart. They would be foolish not to try. The Lakers, Clippers, Mavs, Philly, Utah,and Magic all have trade exception at more than $2.5 million.

A lot of fans are stupid!! They railroad Stat, railroad Melo!! It’s not the players fool, its how their talent can be utilized in the style they play…..and evidently this style isn’t for them. The coach has to create spacing, defense and offense. This Knick team has hella talent but nobody to show them how to use it

This only helps if the Knicks are still in playoff contention come March.

Attention Walsh Lovers — weeks before the TRADE — Eric Bowman report

According to a report, Carmelo Anthony could have been a New York Knick on Monday. It claims that Knicks team president Donnie Walsh turned down a deal proposed by the Denver Nuggets.

That deal would have sent Anthony and Chauncey Billups to the Knicks in exchange for Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, the expiring contract of Eddy Curry and a first round draft pick. That’s a pretty large deal, but it’s going to take a lot to get Carmelo Anthony.

Walsh should have made the deal and ended the Carmelo trade sweepstakes. He’s trying to wait until the last minute and hope nobody else offers anything. That way he can get Carmelo to sign with the Knicks once the season is over. Waiting could end up hurting Walsh, or it could be an excellent move. Only time will tell.

Like kobe and shaq had massive talent but it didn’t work until Phil came

yea he is

Coaching is definitely a big part of it, it’s not the only reason the team is struggling but it is a huge factor.

As you stated Karl would often pull Carmelo back in when he went off the deep end or was trying to do too much. He also never had Carmelo shooting a lot of threes, which increased dramatically under _’antoni’s “coaching”, as happens pretty much with any player he uses at a high rate. The long, quick shots early in the shot clock outside of the flow of the offense are a result of Mike’s “green light” philosophy.

I complained long and hard (pause) when Carmelo was launching those shots at the end of last season and questioned aloud, what happened to his post-up game? I’ve been somewhat happy with his defensive effort for the most part, but I had a problem with his shot selection from day 1.

Unfortunately, it is a direct result of a lack of structure in Mike’s system – or the new bastardized version of it, since he hasn’t been able to implement ssoL here – any/every player is allowed to launch a bomb at any time, regardless of clock/game situation and nothing is done.

Want more proof? Gallinari has been used completely different in Denver under Karl. No longer is he Krazy Glued to the three point line along with 3 (sometimes 4) of his other teammates at one time, now he is bringing the ball up, the offense runs through him from time to time and he is driving with more regularity. Even Harrington looks like a completely different player under George Karl’s leadership.

I posted a rant in the previous thread directed at the front office and the players, who both also deserve blame, but _’antoni only continues to prove that he is poor at many different aspects that a coach should be strong at.

The Knicks saved the Bulls from themselves by choosing not to match (and absurdly overpay) the offer we made for the services of Michael Andrew D’Antoni.

thats BS..His entire career has been ball hogging,George Karl tried every year to harness Melo and couldnt.Nobody in the world was happier about the Melo trade than Karl

Wow.

You are right there have been many losing streaks this millennium, The thing that will always stick in my mind was Brown`s team won 8 in a row, and they were hustling their ass off, and Starburry goes in and tells him that he was asking them to do too much and they was`nt goin to do it(his words) Starman went to Zeke, who we find out later were doin the same girls and complains and Zeke backs Starguy and leaves his coach out to dry, and we haven`t really been good since

You are still delusional after all this time.

The Knicks won’t win a Championship with both Stoudemire and Melo on the roster. They don’t match.

You don’t have draft picks so you won’t bring any youngster talent soon.
Baron’s prime days are long gone. He wasn’t good last season. Do you think the injury made him…better? lol.

Melo or Stoudemire, one of them gotta go.

Melo is the answer, as far as i’m concerned.

Yeah, teams generally don’t win in the playoffs without super stars. As good as Denver was during the regular season last year, they lost to OKC in 5.

“This team will get better” ….Why?Cuz you say so? Oh great! I feel so much better about that trade now.This team ,as is,will not win a chip either,but at least last years team was more fun to watch,plus we had alot of cap space to improve.Now we have Prima Donnas who dont know how to play team ball.I love people who say “Last years team would never have won a championship” As if this years team would.Zeke would be proud

Read my posts I have been saying that since I have been on this site. You teach defense much as you teach offense. I am watching Boston, they have good ind. d skills+ great team skills, hedging picks, help and RECOVER, proper rotations boxing out. Very rarely are they out of position to their man and the ball. Not the same can be said for the Knicks, I see the ball move, and I don`t see 5 players adjusting their positions so they are ball you man in position to help

Sure Agent zero has some locker room problems like guns and stuff, and JR Smith has no idea how to run an offense. Gilbert likes to hold the ball, and JR is pure street

“let’s be honest here, with the team the Knicks had before, they weren’t going to win a championship.”

That is NOT the argument from the anti-trade people. The pre-trade team had the flexibility to either bring a star player (CP3, DWill) or at least maintain the solid PG play that suits one of the best P&R finishers in the game – Amar’e, while leaving room for truly complementary pieces. You should only give up the farm for a max player if you think that guy brings you closer to a championship; otherwise, keep the flexibility.

The anti-trade people were asking a reasonable question – “Can we win a championship with two maxed-out one-dimensional players?” Throw in a one-dimensional coach and the fact that one star thrives in half-court isos and the other in a fast-paced offense, and the situation worsens.

P.S. – I was ambivalent on the Melo deal, and managed to talk myself into it. I do still think this squad is salvageable (given more 2-man game between Amar’e and Melo as well as an active, creative front office), but that doesn’t negate the fact that the anti-trade people do make valid points.

We all agree Melo and Stoudemire won’t be benched.
We all agree D’Antoni can’t coach.

Amare and Melo played 50 games together now. It’s almost an entire regular season.
If they didn’t find a way to play together yet, when will it happen?

Are they stupid players? Don’t they realize the coach can’t coach? Don’t they have enough experience on the courts to talk they own plays, and not follow D’Antoni’s command?

D’Antoni says: “STAT, stretch the 4, Melo, take an iso”
Melo says: “I won’t do that. I will play pick n roll with Amare”
STAT says: “I agree. I’m into that”

What will D’Antoni do? Bench them? LOL!

The team doesn’t care. They don’t trust the coach, as he sucks big time.
Solution? They would make their own plays, as big stars they think they are.

Why don’t they do it?

I guess that’s the answer that costs us more, and no one is yet ready to assume:
Melo and Stoudemire aren’t getting along, neither on or off court.

As soon Dolan, Grumwald, D’Antoni, the fans, and even Amare and Melo are ready to assume it, the Knicks will improve.

The first step to take care of a problem is assuming that there is one.
And everyone just keeps sayin’: “Everything will be okay, they need time”.

The logic is he is hood and he aint givin it if you have no game

PEOPLE WHO FORGET THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRADE THREE OR FOUR QUARTERS FOR A DOLLAR IN BASKETBALL: F-minus

If you disagree with the previous few paragraphs, you’re bucking five solid decades of NBA history. Since 1965, not one NBA team that traded a package of pieces for a superstar regretted it after the fact. Don’t believe me? Here’s the complete list:

1965: Philly trades Connie Dierking, Paul Neumann, Lee Shaffer and cash to San Francisco for Wilt Chamberlain.

1968: Lakers trade Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark and Darrell Imhoff to Philly for Wilt Chamberlain.

1970: Milwaukee trades Flynn Robinson and Charlie Paulk to Cincinnati for Oscar Robertson.

1975: Lakers trade Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgeman to Milwaukee for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

1983: Philly trades Caldwell Jones and Cleveland’s 1983 first-rounder (No. 3, Rodney McCray) to Houston for Moses Malone.

1993: Phoenix trades Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang to Philly for Charles Barkley.

1994: Washington trades Tom Gugliotta, 1996 first-rounder (No. 11, Todd Fuller), 1998 first (No. 13, Keon Clark) and 2000 first (No. 7, Chris Mihm) to Golden State for Chris Webber.

1996: Houston trades Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Chucky Brown and Mark Bryant to Phoenix for Charles Barkley.

1996: Phoenix trades Michael Finley, Sam Cassell, A.C. Green and a 1998 No. 2 (No. 53, Greg Buckner) to Dallas for Jason Kidd, Tony Dumas and Loren Meyer.

1999: Phoenix trades Danny Manning, Pat Garrity, 2001 first-rounder (No. 18, Jason Collins) and 2002 first (No. 9, Amare Stoudemire) to Orlando for Penny Hardaway.

2004: Houston trades Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato to Orlando for Tracy McGrady, Tyronn Lue, Reece Gaines and Juwan Howard.

2005: New Jersey trades Alonzo Mourning, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, Philly’s 2005 No. 1 pick (No. 16, Joey Graham) and a 2006 No. 1 (No. 20, Renaldo Balkman) to Toronto for Vince Carter.

2005: Miami trades Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler, a 2006 No. 1 (No. 26, Jordan Farmar) and a 2006 No. 2 (No. 50, Renaldas Seibutis) to the Lakers for Shaquille O’Neal.

2007: Boston trades Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 No. 1 (No. 28, Wayne Ellington) and the rights to Minnesota’s 2009 No. 1 (No. 6, Jonny Flynn) to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett.

2008: Lakers trade Kwame Brown, Jarvaris Crittendon, Aaron McKie, the rights to Marc Gasol, a 2008 No. 1 (No. 28, Donte Greene) and a 2010 No. 1 (No. 28, Greivis Vasquez) to Memphis for Pau Gasol.

Every shooter has a night or nights that they shoot 30%. Go check MJs stats he was a huge volume scorer. In this league you have 24 -about 5 to get up a shot. That is why most coaches in this league run quick hitters, then if it breaks down you give it to your best player and pray. You want the clock, then you have to live with the strategy

As fans we are bystanders as to what the front office does with this team. So to say I told you so or Melo lovers/Walsh lovers is pointless. All Knicks fans want one thing and that is to WIN. Venting is a nice way to get the frustration off your chest but constantly hating won’t fix any problems. Just makes you a bitter fan who eventually just hates his or her team…where’s the fun in that?

I copied the entire page.Sometimes the link does not show when I cut and paste.Thanks.

And??? we said….

Wow you really did your home work on this one! A+ for you sir!

Its time for The Knicks to stick with what we have and build around these guys. No more complaining about the past or wanting to make some new trade. No trading Melo. No trading Stat. No trading Chandler. And no firing of Mike Dantoni, at least not until this year is over.

We’ve blown up the roster again and again to finally get to this place. I don’t care what the haters say about Stat and Melo. I’ve always loved watching both of these guys play and think they’re warriors and winners. Are they as multifaceted as Lebron or Dwade? No. Both of them need a good PG to be effective. Think about it. Everyone’s been saying how STAT needs a good or at least decent PG to be truly effective. But so does Melo, if for different reasons. He needs someone isn’t afraid to not pass the ball to Melo. Melo did his best with Billups. Baron can be that guy. He has the respect.

Look, I do think we gave up too much in the trade. But lets be real. We have Stat and Melo. And we never will know what really happened. Do I think we could’ve gotten Melo for less? Yes. I truly believe Dolan stepped in and showed our poker face. Maybe if we hold out longer NJ goes ahead and gets Deron and now Denver has to deal with us only. Maybe we could’ve kept Gallo if we offered Fields and TD once they asked for Mozgov. We’ll never know.

People say Stat and Melo can’t work. But they still haven’t played that much together and we kinda blew up the team again by getting rid of Billups to get Chandler. But it was the necessary move. Ideally we could’ve all ready had our PG in place and then get Chandler, but it didn’t work out that way. All I know is I’m glad we have Tyson Chandler as our center. I’ve seen Amare completely dominate in games so many times its not even funny. I’ve seen Melo outplay Lebron just about every time they go head to head. And some of the most exciting basketball I’ve ever watched in my life featured Baron Davis running the show.

Its all going to be fine.

Great point, but if its going to fail once, it will be for the Knicks. But I agree.

Chandler can’t be traded, so I seriously doubt that. I like SAS, but I don’t see how that makes sense.

Source or you should be banned for being a dick-nose.

Melo needs a Point Guard just like Stat does.

Anyone who says its not true about the trade. Orlando is inquiring about them. Not the Knicks. IF Orlando wants Chandler and Stat, you make that trade asap. Not to mention you will have enough money to than go get your PG. You make that trade ASAP.

The longer the Melo and Stat play together the less value they will have. These guys cant play together. They have played 50 games, you shouldn’t need a coach to get some chemistry through 50 games. It is obvious that Stat is not happy with Melo. This wil only get worse. Unless you make a change. Howard can post up and compliment Melo much better than Stat does. They are completely different players. If the Knicks could have Melo not he Wing and Howard in the paint. With Enough money to get get a third point guard like Deron Williams this summer you make that Trade ASAP.

So you think Dolan would send Melo and Stoudemire away, instead of D’Antoni, in that case?

Here’s how the conversation would go, IMO:

Dolan: We’re losing, man. What’s going on D’Antoni?
D’Antoni: The players don’t do as i say. That’s why we keep losing
Dolan: What do you have to say boys?
Melo: The players don’t trust the coach, so we started playing by ourselves.
Dolan: But i pay the guy 6M a year, why don’t you listen to him?
STAT: ‘Cause we did that for 50 games and the record was negative. We were the worst rebounding team, the worst shooting team, we were on our way to not even make the playoffs. That’s why.
Dolan: What’s up with that, D’Antoni?
D’Antoni: “Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go! oh wait…”

End of story.

Sad but true.

The Knicks have clear whole in there team.

Chandler and Stat step on each others toes because they both run the pick N roll.

Melo is a ball hog. and a one on one player. Stat is as well.

Chandler and Stat have no post up game. These 3 all stars do not compliment each other. They all do the same thing and nothing else.

Trading Chandler and Stat for Howard is not blowing up the team in any way. Maybe you could throw Fields in that trade for Jameer Nelson. He is an expiring contract. That would be a very formidable team.

Nelson
Shump
Melo
Harralson
Howard

That team has a PG has a scorer has a Center. Than all you need to add is 1 or 2 bench players. And they would have enough money to do so.

What we have with how much money we have left will not get us a championship. Isn’t that what we are trying to do win a Championship.

MOST RECENT thing I can find talking about this scenario. Also states that it hasn’t been initiated, AND it would be a post-season scenario.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16944177/postups-as-magic-plot-to-keep-howard-other-scenarios-blossom

He said it on his radio show. Couldn’t even happen right now, so I think its BS.

I assume it would STAT and Chandler for Howard and Turkoglu. That’s the only way the contract can match and make the trade work. Turkoglu is contracted through next season.

Maybe a Jameer Nelson. And we throw in Fields.

Obviously more pieces need to be made for the trade

But according to Steven A Smith on ESPN NY Orlando has inquired about a trade around Chandler and Stat for Howard.

i like your attitude. but there is a fine line between “not panicking” and being ignorant. I’m not sure on what side we travel right now. I agree with your assessment of Melo, Amar’e and Chandler. But I disagree on the coach and on Baron. The flaws of this team aren’t minor, that much has become clear to me at this point. It is not just a bit of tweaking and we will dash into the conference finals.

“Coach” can only succeed with a very good PG. We don’t have one. Baron is injured and nobody knows how he will get back. Melo can’t snap out of iso-mode, Amar’e needs p&r’s. I think trading one of the two stars for a premier pg is becoming more and more of an option. The way how Amar’e and Melo have been cancelling each other out is ridiculous. Obviously firing the “coach” and seeing if somebody else can put the pieces together is my first option.

Yes, I assume the Magic would require any team to take back Turk’s contract. However, I believe Turk has an option on his contract to extend one more year (at ~$12M/year!) through the 2013-2014 season.

Where is your source Sean?

This is the most recent thing I’ve found-

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16944177/postups-as-magic-plot-to-keep-howard-other-scenarios-blossom

I’m not calling you a liar yet, but you can’t post Shish like this unless you can back it up.

Orlando offers this, you do it immediately.

I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS though – The knicks would be sending 32 mil in salary. Orlando is 15 mil over the cap next year WITHOUT D.Howard. This would put them over the cap for the next 5 years basically.

FURTHER Orlando is a team that 3 years ago backed out of a trade where they were only sending their 1st round pick for Amare because their doc’s didn’t like his uninsured knees.

I’m seriously trying to find a way this trade could work, but it is impossible. Both teams lack their amnesty.

ORLANDO would have to trade D. Howard, turk or reddick and duhon AND STILL use their 4.5 mil trade exception.

THEN they are locked up salary wise for 5 years. Doubt this very very much.

Wow I feel honored that you took your valuable time from your Nuggets blog to pay me a visit ***blushing***

MY SOURCE IS STEVEN A SMITH.

Steven a smith said Orlando called the Knicks to inquire about a Tyson Chandler Amare Stoudemire for Dwight Howard.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Rewind a couple mins ago.

Turn on Espn radio ny he’s talking about it.

Howard is the best C in the league and he is 26 years old. That trade a no-brainer. I just can’t believe it’s true though.

Whaaa!!!!>????

No matter how you slice this, this deal saves us 4-5 mil a year, gets rid of 2 of our longest contracts, including one that is “untradeable” according to many.

Amare and Dwight balance out, but we actually save money on this deal because hed is only making 11 mil.

And I know Turk isn’t a star, but I’m SURE someone would take him, salary and all, if we tossed in some quality potential with him like fields/jorts/iman/etc.

This opens up our cap quite a bit then and makes this a real possibility-

Howard
K. Mart / Jorts / Turk
Melo
Fields / Iman
D-Will (cause we can pay him if we can get a taker for turk)

R U Kidding Me.

Seriously, if the nets whiff on D. Howard and we get him, I’d give the farm for D. Will now just to crap on the Nets some more.

Either way, we would probably be over the cap, meaning the most we could offer is the MLE. The Knicks already have a good C and PF. I don’t think Howard (minus Amar’e) helps our offense, which has been our biggest problem this year. It wouldn’t be a bad trade necessarily, but I think it would be a lateral move.

i believe Orlando inquired about the trade. Whether Orlando will make the trade is another story.

All I’m saying is if Orlando wants to make that trade you make it in a heart beat.

Melo and Howard have two completely different games. Stat Melo and Chandler all have a similar style which steps on each other toes. Stat and Chandler like to be in the paint and run the pick n roll neither have a post up game. Melo and Stat like to run one on one.

Stoudemire is clearly not happy with Melo. He is not the same person he was last year. We have no post up presence which we desperately need. Turkoglu could work well with Melo because he spreads the court and can handle and pass the ball way above average.

I don’t plagiarize.You are a hater because I call you put .I was multi tasking and forgot to give the credit at the top as I usually do ie: credit ESPN

THANKS – You are back in the not a liar club.

Do you have a time-stamp because I can’t find it- I’ve been between 2:10 and through now. Plenty of talk, but haven’t heard anything about this deal – just want to hear the specifics.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND – we can trade chandler March 1, and the deadline for trades got pushed back to March 15th.

nuff said!

I don’t believe it either, look no further than Amare’s (uninsured) contract!

At this point Steven A Smith is using the Knicks simply to stay relevant….how sad Steven….how sad…

If a call was indeed made to the Knicks FO, it’s far from pointless speculation. This would be a much bigger trade for the Knicks than Melo’s or the signing of Amar’e, both of which have been discussed ad nausea on this blog.

sure that’s true. But don’t tell me that the prospect of this is not at least somewhat interesting to you..?

he would play stretch 4 and shoot 3s

Do you know how to get the source to come up when I copy an article on the internet? If so,please reply.He does not (FieldsFanatic)like me.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Rewind to the 2:48 and 2:55 steven a reports the Howard thing. Around the 2:51 Mark Steven A brings up the Howard Stat trade.

Best case Senario BD averages 13 points with 6 assist a game. And JR Smith averages 10 points a game. This is not our savior.

Our savior is Melo and Amare working to play together. Even with a PG you still need your best players to work off one another. It cant just be the PG choosing Stat or Melo.

Amare and Chandler for Howard is the most STUPID thing Ive ever heard.

So wait, we had a championship PG Chauncey Buillips moronically used our only amnesty clause on him when he had a expiring contract, to sign Tyson Chandler even though we had Turiaf and maybe could have brought in vet center and used Jordan at the center spot too. Leaving the team with no capspace in 2012, SO now your telling we have to trade Amare AND Tyson Chandler for a guy that if we had just waited until the offseason we could have signed and kept STAT and probably brought back Billups?

Billups
Shump
Melo
STAT
Howard

Could have been our SL but they wanted Chandler I DIDN’T, and now our only hope is to trade Amare AND Chandler? I’m not doing it!! It’s one of those moves that set you back we need to move forward, step 1 FIRE THE COACH and get someone who knows how to use the players we have.

That amnesty was our one “Get of Jail Free” card.

By amnestying Billups and signing Chandler, the front office was essentially saying “we want to contend NOW”, yet they did virtually NOTHING after signing Chandler. The front office should have been chasing down every possible vet min signing out there – T-Mac, Delonte West, Mike James, Kurt Thomas, Reggie Evans – that would have solidified the bench. At that time, the Chandler+Knicks hype could have helped sell championship dreams to the available players who were considering a temporary paycut. Now? Not so much. I’m worried we are one month away from begging Gilbert Arenas to save us.

Just no vision, whatsoever. I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.

A voice of reason!

Your laughing ??

Are we a better team with Chandler than we we’re with Billups and Turiaf ??

They blew up 2012 for Chandler.

You should be laughing at that.

Turiaf hardly ever played, I think he’s hurt even now… again.

We definitely miss Billups and we sure as hell need help in the backcourt, but there were options available to shore it up; the front office just chose to go into hibernation mode.

That isn’t Chandler’s fault, he’s been the best Knick this season… by far.

It’s about marketing not basketball. It became “We want to contend NOW,” because Dolan spent big bucks to re-do the Garden, and raised ticket prices 49% to pay for it. Nobody wants to pay that much for interior decorating, so going for it now and adding another “big name” became the operating imperitive. There was little afore-thought about how Chandler would mesh wirth STAT and Melo, and no thought given to strategically fill out the roster or to replace Billups. Bibby was a bone to Woodson, but hardly a credible replacement.

Remember, it is Isaiah’s man in charge. Back to Isaiah World of expensive ill-fitting names that sound great in the Promos, but don’t pay-off on the court because nobody wanted to spend the time thinking about role players.

Man those are two big needs. You can’t fix that this season. This is exactly what I mean. You act like that’s any easy fix. That’s a huge problem. Not a small fix. That’s like saying the only issues the jets have is Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez. Please……

we will never win as long as Dolan is alive

that all ended with the Melo trade

oh sorry i meant the Marbury trade

Ive been watching this team since 1965,im not gonna stop now,but i do have the right to rip them to shreds when i want

A quarterback is 90% of an offenses success in the NFL now. AND Rex needs to change, they don’t need a new coach.

NBA isn’t like the NFL. Its much easier to find pieces that are average, AND new offenses get instituted all the time during the season (slow tweaks to a new style).

So if Baron is good, or they can find someone who can pass, and they get a new coach, we could solve the problems pretty quickly.

Lacking a QB or coach in the NFL is much harder to fix.

/You ar esh33ing me right. Have you read all my posts for the past 2 years(had different name lost my password) I have probably had 20 posts modified for going after the FO and Dolan hard with real shi3 they are afraid to print. And I go back to McGuire and Braun circa 1951 in the old garden. I am not in denial, I analyze the game very well and played the game as a pg, and have coached the game for 45 years. I think I know the game. I am know efing homer. Dolan is a pos

And that is why you need a coach, and he has to have imput. That is why Pat left. The owner has Pat as president, and he handles all the players, and has meetings with coach daily. Not so here post is for sean

cbev, you have the watched nba for many years whats your explanation for such low scoring boring games with no fastbreaks no creativity by coaches on offense, just sheer brute force and preferental treatment by refs. the game is entertainment its not a sweat shop just trying to produce at any cost. every coach is so conservative and its a detrimite to the fans

“The ball is already having more than enough trouble moving,”
Your right…but left out “moving into the Hoop”
JR Smith is a big help there. Why is Melo being tripled?
Because our guards can’t throw a rock in the Ocean!

Pass to who?

Because we will trade Fields to get him more money if needed!

I’s trade TD & Fields & Lin to get Sessions!

My reply got shuffled somewhere else. No denial as far as seeing what is going on. I actually study the game and do research on this stuff. Read Ds book, it is enlightening and explains well the #### that is going on with the knicks. He was hired to cover up the crap product they were selling and put up points to bring in fans, not to win. Like throwing a paint job over the rotting wood to cover it up. I think Dolan listens more to marketing people then basketball people. They are trying to cover up an inferior product with Madison Ave techniques instead of doing due diligence about how to build a team, I don`t call that denial, if you do, then we just have different definitions

Sean Stats and Chandler have similar games yes, Mello is a completely different animal. I would compare his game more to Bernard Kings game with BK being a little quicker and Mello being stronger. BK had much better guards and coaches so he got the ball and shot right away, didn`t need isos.